Re: Switchdesk functionality has disappeared

[Rahul Sundaram]

On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 11:57 PM Robert McBroom wrote:

> Fedora 36 booting mode 3 to a command line boot, the switchdesk entry
> Plasma doesn't do anything
>

Looks like a bug fixed via
https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2022-42f46048de (refer to
bugs tab)

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Re: Installing fedora-flathub-remote doesn't enable Flathub?

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Hi

On Fri, Jun 24, 2022 at 11:34 AM Ian Pilcher  wrote:

> After installing the package, 'flatpak remotes' still doesn't show
> Flathub.  Is there something else that I'm supposed to do?
>

Flatpak can use all several remotes and none of them are there by default
yet.  If you want to enable Flathub, refer to
https://flatpak.org/setup/Fedora

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Re: support term for Fedora 34

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 11:30 PM Ben Cotton wrote:

> In addition to fixing the typo, I also de-indented the "Supported
> Releases" and "EOL Releases" (thus removing the "Old Releases") in the
> navigation bar to help make things more clear.
>

Quick note:  The gmane link in that page is dead because gmane itself is
unfortunately gone.  I added this page and the link to the wiki years back
but I am not as familiar with the current process for pushing updates.   So
please fix that link.  Might be helpful to also automatically check for
dead links on docs periodically

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Re: is this a dnf bug?

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 9:10 AM Tom Horsley  wrote:

> I download updates to the cache on cron at night.
>
> I wanted to apply some updates, but not have to reboot
> because I got a new kernel or something, so I did:
>
> dnf update 'libre*'
>
> That updated all the libreoffice packages.
>
> Then I look at the cache, and it deleted *everything*,
> not just the libreoffice packages it installed.
>
> Should it really work that way?
>

Don't see a good reason why it should.  Sounds like a bug to me

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Re: Please add OpenVSP to the Fedora repositories.

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 6:45 PM Patrick O'Callaghan 
wrote:

>
> Obviously. The point I'm attempting to make is that there seems to be
> no standard way for non-developers to request a package, which is what
> the OP is trying to do. That could be intentional or it could be an
> oversight, but either way it appears to be the case.
>

Like I said, there is a wiki page but typically package maintainers are
maintaining packages they actively care about directly.  I have tried in
the past maintaining packages based on wishlists and it doesn't work as
well.  Hence the pointer to copr instead of the wiki page

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Re: Please add OpenVSP to the Fedora repositories.

[Rahul Sundaram]

HI

On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 5:13 AM Patrick O'Callaghan 
wrote:

> On Fri, 2019-12-20 at 18:56 -0500, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>
> > https://developer.fedoraproject.org/deployment/copr/about.html
>
> That's fine for developers, but what about users?
>

There is no bright line dividing users and developers in Fedora.  Anyone
can maintain a package in copr if they are willing the learn

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Re: Please add OpenVSP to the Fedora repositories.

[Rahul Sundaram]

On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 8:04 AM Patrick O'Callaghan 
wrote:

> On Mon, 2019-12-16 at 17:10 -0700, linux guy wrote:
> > Subject says it all.
>
> You should probably file a Request For Enhancement (RFE) on Bugzilla.
>
>
There isn't a good place to file this in Bugzilla.There is a wiki page
but I am not sure anyone is watching it.   The best way is for people who
are interested in such packages get involved and use copr or file a
official package review request and become maintainers

https://developer.fedoraproject.org/deployment/copr/about.html

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Re: Most system update requires system reboot or session restart

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 7:09 PM Sudhir Khanger

>
>
> I think the bottom line is that you are caught between a rock and a hard
> place. Either take the productivity hit by updating and restarting or take
> the
> security hit by not updating.
>

You aren't in a rock and hard place though.   Restarting is not strictly
necessary.  It is a good idea however.  You can also choose to use a more
conservative distribution and apply just security updates.  C.f
 RHEL/CentOS.

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Re: disk monopolized?

[Rahul Sundaram]

On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 2:34 AM Samuel Sieb  wrote:

>
> Yes, that is "normal" behaviour.  Apparently it's a very hard problem to
> solve.
>

4.10 is expected to make this better

http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1612.1/01878.html

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Re: Continuing dnf weirdness

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Hi


On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 11:29 AM Ian Pilcher  wrote:

> That does sound like a plausible cause.  The weird thing is that I
> already have install_weak_deps=false in dnf.conf, and it doesn't look
> like there's any separate setting for updates.
>
> So it *shouldn't* be trying to install weak dependencies.
>

Might be worth getting the debugging info and reporting a bug

https://github.com/rpm-software-management/dnf/wiki/Bug-Reporting

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Re: wordpress install

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

Track  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1336091

Rahul

On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 2:43 PM maderios  wrote:

> Hi
> Is there a way to install wordpress on F23 and no http/apache2
> dependency? Nginx is installed on my system, I don't want apache2.
> Thanks
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Re: Smooth F22 -> F23 upgrade

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 7:11 AM, Tony Camuso wrote:

> Congratulations to the Fedora team!
>
> Upgraded three systems, one of them a VM, with no pain,
> no problems.
>

Good to know but more info would be useful for others.  How did you upgrade?

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Re: upgrade to 23 when it comes out

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 6:43 PM, Joe Zeff  wrote:

>  At no time during the upgrade from 19 to 20 was the computer otherwise
> unusable, and there was only one reboot needed, when the process was
> complete.  It took several tries because of glitches, such as needing to
> clear enough space for it to work, but each time that happened, the cause
> of the issue was clear because you could read the error message in the
> terminal.  Frankly, this unofficial method looks better to me than the
> official one, but YMMV.


The advantage of the current dnf upgrade method is that the upgrade happens
in a special mode with only the minimal necessary to run the upgrade
process and this minimized the conflict with running services and libraries
in memory on the unofficial process.  The upgrade tool ideally should warn
you about disk space issues and other conflicts *before* it does anything.
 use --best to find that out and --allowerasing to remove packages as
needed.

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Re: upgrade to 23 when it comes out

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 6:58 PM, Joe Zeff < wrote:

>
> I'll remember that, or at least try to, once I'm using dnf for upgrades.
> In my case, at least, the main problem other than disk space was google
> earth conflicting with a filesystem package, and after the upgrade, it
> still does.  And, since I was using the computer at the time, all I had to
> do was look at the terminal the upgrade was using to see what had gone
> wrong.


Sure and the current method should inform you of this conflict before the
upgrade process starts.

Does this dnf upgrade method leave any record of errors if and when it's
> not able to complete?


Yep.  see man dnf.plugin.system-upgrade

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Re: AVC denial and the suggested actio to take (by the setroubleshoot details) window

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 4:20 PM, jd1008 wrote:

> But /home is a symlink to /home on  another mount point.
> Would not selinux be "savvy" enough to follow symlinks???


Following symlinks can be a security problem.  It is pretty common for that
to be restricted by default

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Re: gnote gnome-shell extension or systray icon

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

On Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 11:43 PM, drolyk  wrote:

> Hello. Last time i used gnome(it was gnome2), gnote/tomboy had support
> of systray and there was easy way to edit/create notes, but now i need
> launch app everytime and go to needed note via app ui. I must say that
> way to work with notes far from perfect. So, is there any hidden way to
> get back systray icon or gnome-shell extension? Im using fedora22 with
> all latest updates
>

gsettings set org.gnome.gnote use-status-icon true

https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/495/topicons/

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Re: dnf autoremove is trying to remove user-installed packages

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Hi

On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 3:36 AM, Anon Anon  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> According to dnf man pages autoremove removes all "leaf" packages from
> the system that were originally installed as dependencies of
> Hi-installed packages but which are no longer required by any such
> package.
>
> dnf autoremove on my system insists on removing several user-installed
> packages like google-chrome-stable, akmod-virtualbox, etc.


Please file a bug report

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_file_a_bug_report

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Re: fedup --product=nonproduct --network 22 is upgrading to the unreleased fc23 !!!

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 1:53 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:

>
> If that were true, wouldn't he be seeing rawhide packages in his regular
> updates?
>
> Only if he let it remain enables as opposed to cherry picking updates by
temporarily enabling for a single update session.   If you do such things,
 running fedup probably isn't going to work out very well or atleast it is
not something that has been tested during the QA process.

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Re: yumdownloader equivalent for dnf

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 5:01 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:

 On 08/25/15 16:27, Ahmad Samir wrote:
  The dnf-plugins-core package only contains manual pages

 I suppose it would have been nice for the Description to make that
 clear.  :-)


Maybe a nice bug report will make that happen :-)

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Re: Rsnapshot update

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 1:26 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

 The Rsnapshot author recently released version 1.4.1, yet Fedora only
 has 1.3.1, originally released in 2008. Is this being maintained?


File a bug report in bugzilla

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/package/rsnapshot/

http://bugz.fedoraproject.org/rsnapshot

If the maintainer is not responsive,  you can bring it up in fedora devel
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Re: Questions on Anaconda Hub and spokes model

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 12:36 PM, shankha wrote:

 Hi,
 I had few questions on anaconda hub and spokes model. Is it the
 correct list to ask those questions.


Try anaconda-devel list instead

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Re: dnf update vs Software Udpates

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 3:43 PM, Andreas M. Kirchwitz wrote:


 That does clearly *not* provide the latest updates. It's better than
 without --refresh, but dnf clean metadata is required for full
 updates available.


That contradicts the documentation provided.  I would suggest filing a bug
report.  I would do it myself if I can reproduce that but I haven't run
into this problem

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Re: fedora 22 mostly better

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 9:20 AM, Tom Horsley wrote:

 What is with the tmpfs mounts it now makes for each
 user daemon? There is already a tmpfs /run, why
 does every user daemon need yet another mountpoint
 under that?


IIRC because tmpfs doesn't have quota support

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Re: dnf update vs Software Udpates

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 10:23 PM, Andreas M. Kirchwitz

 However, if somebody runs dnf upgrade on the command shell then
 he clearly wants the latest updates. Right now! No caching or other
 magic involved. That's the whole point of running dnf upgrade
 manually, otherwise the user would have left the whole updating
 business to some automated background task.


If this is what you want,  use dnf update --refresh instead

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Re: unmaintained bugs

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 1:15 PM, antonio montagnani wrote:


 no, I am not assuming that maintainers are paid, but when you are a
 volunteer you must be honest to you and other people to say when you cannot
 continue to be a volunteer


This is much more tricky than you apparently assume it to be.   Here is
just a few different cases to consider from my own experience:

1)  When a package becomes orphaned, sometimes you pick it up because you
are using it or a component you are using it depends on it but then updates
start coming in and people report bugs and you realize you don't have the
time for maintaining the library itself even though the software that you
do want to maintain, depends on it.

2) You bring a new package into Fedora with the idea that you are going to
use it actively. A few months later, something better suited for you pops
out and you aren't paying as much attention to the package you brought in.

3) Your volunteer time decreases because you switched jobs, moved places,
 got promoted etc and you don't have the time but you don't want to cut off
involvement either.  You look for co-maintainers but your package is
obscure enough that only a few people even use it and noone is interested
in maintaining it with you.  Your choice is between abandoning the package
with the understanding that you are going to have to maintain it privately
for your own use (private repo before or copr these days) or maintain it
with the understanding that you aren't going to have the time to answer
every bug report immediately.

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Re: dnf update vs Software Udpates

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Hi

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 10:55 PM, dwoody5654  wrote:

 Is there a way to make dnf provide info instead of being silent?

 The answer was posted earlier in the thread.  Use dnf update --best.
Refer to the man dnf for details.

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Re: Security Lab

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Hi

On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Martin Cigorraga  wrote:

 Hello,
 I would like to know if it is enough to install the 'Security Lab' group
 in order to get all the goodies from that spin.


Yes

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Re: dnf has no command to check all

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Hi

On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 8:38 AM, Radek Holy  wrote:


 Sounds good. Would you mind filing an RFE?


https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1226009

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Re: F22: XFCE issues

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Hi

On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 5:46 PM, Joe Zeff  wrote:

 On 05/27/2015 02:24 PM, Marco Guazzone wrote:

 gdm   1152  0.6  1.5 1476048 123516 tty1   Sl+  22:35   0:16  |
 \_ gnome-shell --mode=gdm --wayland --display-server


 Here it is: gdm is starting gnome-shell, even though gnome itself isn't
 running.  I don't know why, but if it were me, I'd call it a major bug.


Not really.  GDM is nothing but GNOME Shell running in a login mode as seen
evidently here.

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Re: F22: XFCE issues

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Hi

On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 8:02 PM, Joe Zeff  wrote:



 Here's the description of gdm as given by yum info gdm:

 Description : GDM provides the graphical login screen, shown shortly after
 boot
 : up, log out, and when user-switching.

 You may very well be right, but if so, the documentation provided by yum
 doesn't back up your claim.


It doesn't contradict what I said either.   RPM spec description is meant
for end users to understand what a package does but not necessarily how it
is internally structured and it is not typically considered project
documentation.

The process list you posted has the relevant info (ie)  gnome-shell
--mode=gdm.


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Re: F21 - F22 via fedup went OK

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On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 3:10 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com
wrote:

 On Tue, 2015-05-26 at 14:03 -0500, Steven Stern wrote:
  No problems so far.
 
  Do I have to do anything to switch from yum to dnf? I see yum
  update
  redirects. Does it use the existing conf and files in
  /etc/yum.repos.d

 Yes. Not that you can tell from the man page.


man dnf.conf

   DNF  by  default uses the global configuration file at
/etc/dnf/dnf.conf and all *.repo files found under /etc/yum.repos.d. The
latter is typically used for repository configuration.

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Re: F21 - F22 via fedup went OK

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On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan  wrote:

 On Tue, 2015-05-26 at 15:12 -0400, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
   Yes. Not that you can tell from the man page.
  
 
  man dnf.conf
 
 DNF  by  default uses the global configuration file at
  /etc/dnf/dnf.conf and all *.repo files found under /etc/yum.repos.d.
  The
  latter is typically used for repository configuration.

 I was looking at dnf(1). Also, the convention is to have a FILES
 section with this sort of information.


Feel free to file a RFE

http://bugz.fedoraproject.org/dnf

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Re: an idea about upgrades

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On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Gordon Messmer  wrote:

 On 05/12/2015 04:10 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

 I only see a plugin for dnf. Is there also one for yum?


 I thought there was, but I could be wrong.  Memory, and all that.


yum-plugin-fs-snapshot

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Re: F21: why Fedora still has not alternative init?

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On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 2:24 AM, Tim wrote:


 Or a security concern...  Some people install everything under the sun,
 and you really don't want a telnet server running.


Unlike say Debian,  Fedora does not default to running services just
because a package is installed.  There are very few exceptions to that
guideline and it has to be explicitly approved by the packaging committee.
The default services are listed here.

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Starting_services_by_default

If you find anything else running by default, that is a bug.

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Re: Copr hosting?

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On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 7:57 PM, Matthew Miller  wrote:


 Wow, that was really long and I hope at least half coherent. If someone
 knows of a better explanation, please point me to it. :)


I have edited the page at
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/fedorapeople.org and added a
short practical way to get the access needed

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Re: F21: why Fedora still has not alternative init?

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Hi

On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Antonio Olivares  wrote:

 Now there is a new alternative to systemd
 see RancherOS
 I am actually surprised and puzzled by this!  I thought Fedora was
 bleeding edge* and was the pioneer of new technologies*  but now someone
 else is leading the init* technologies.


I don't see how.  It is not a new technology.  Running docker daemon as pid
1 is a pretty specialized thing to do and if the goal is to run containers,
Fedora is pushing Project Atomic in that space.

http://www.projectatomic.io

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Re: F21: why Fedora still has not alternative init?

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Hi

On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Antonio Olivares  wrote:


 One question *may not be systemd related*, how come fedora after startup
 has 300+ services running in the background?


How are you counting services?

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Re: F21: why Fedora still has not alternative init?

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On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 4:04 PM, Antonio Olivares wrote:


 I run gkrellm and it lists 340 procs.  Before it used to be a smaller
 number


gkrellm isn't necessarily counting background services.  The real number of
background services can be found out using systemctl --type=service.  In my
system I see 67.   In any case, I wouldn't worry about number of processes
unless you have a performance problem.

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Re: F21: why Fedora still has not alternative init?

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Hi

On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 4:34 PM, Antonio Olivares  wrote:


 There are 121 services here when I pass --all.  How many of these are
 unneeded?


FYI,  I would suggest posting a new thread or renaming the subject to match
your queries

You can't count all since that is the list of all possible services that
can be enabled.  The currently listed active services seem pretty
reasonable to me.  Whether you would need a particular service is dependent
on how you are using the system.

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Re: F21: why Fedora still has not alternative init?

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Hi

On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 4:40 PM, Frantisek Hanzlik  wrote:

 Rahul, thanks to Your recommendation. But for wider angle, this isn't
 as so significant. I want a stable system on which I can rely on -
 and it now block systemd piece. And as I see for last 4 years of its
 evolving, it is still totally buggy thing. I want alternative, as I
 said before


You are side stepping your own contention that systemd documentation is
incomplete.  If it wasn't significant, it is not clear, why you brought it
up in the first place.  If you want to package up an alternative and make
sure it works well in Fedora, you are free to do that. It is far from
trivial but it is possible

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join_the_package_collection_maintainers

So far, absolutely noone who wants alternatives has stepped up to do any of
the work involved.


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Re: F21: why Fedora still has not alternative init?

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HI

On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Frantisek Hanzlik  wrote:

 Rahul, I'm not sure what you're talking about, sorry for my narrow
 english knowledge.
 Despite of that, although I know that systemd fans talk how is its
 documentations exhaustive (best/ideal/...), it isn't truth


 I disagree with your perspective.  There is plenty of documentation
including tutorials, man pages, guide style documentation etc

Scroll down

http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/

If you are missing something specific, feel free to file a bug report or
RFE and reply with that link here.

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Re: F21: why Fedora still has not alternative init?

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Hi

On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Tom Horsley wrote:

 On Sun, 3 May 2015 15:45:36 +0100
 Marko Vojinovic wrote:

  Umm, because everyone is happy with systemd? :-)

 Not the slightest possibility that is true. I have a more
 likely reason for the universal adoption of systemd:

 http://home.comcast.net/~tomhorsley/game/selection.html


That explanation is even less likely.  Very little of Linux enterprise
support has anything to do with poor documentation or bugs (it is not like
sysvinit had any real documentation).  A lot of it has to do with high
level guidance,  roadmaps, prioritization of features etc.   This type of
support won't scale well on a single project perhaps but it works fine on a
operating system with thousands of components.

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Re: dnf and RPMDB altered outside of yum

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On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 4:51 AM, R Mercado wrote:

 Hello List,

 I installed dnf on my desktop (Fedora 21) a few days ago and haven't
 removed yum.

 Today I run yum as I had forgotten about dnf and got the warning RPMDB
 altered outside of yum.

 Is the use of dnf a valid explanation of the warning I got?



Yes



 Is there advice as to whether to remove yum or alias yum to point to
 dnf?


You can remove yum and install dnf-yum package which provides an alias but
I wouldn't really recommend that for Fedora 21 yet

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Re: F21: Save session on logout issues

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On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Tony Nelson  wrote:

 On 15-03-30 14:53:31, Max Pyziur wrote:

  I've tried xfce-terminal just to compare it's user-friendliness with
  gnome-terminal. WHile both have the same base functionality, ...

 Does gnome-terminal have a Find command now?


Sure

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Re: help - Fedup F20 to F21 through firewall

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Hi

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote:


 The fedup installation guide used to say that it was not recommended
 if one is using KDE or Gnome, which I imagine would be 90% of users.
 Does it still say this?


In general, upgrades are recommended to be run in a more minimal
environment but since fedup only installs packages in a special environment
anyway, there is nothing stopping you from running it within GNOME or KDE

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Re: will denyhosts work with journald (without rsyslogd)?

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Hi

On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Joe Zeff  wrote:

 If denyhosts needs rsyslogd, shouldn't it be a dependency?


It doesn't need rsyslogd specifically.  A virtual dependency on syslog with
multiple providers including rsyslogd and syslog-ng might be a possible
solution.  However denyhosts itself is pretty outdated and everyone should
switch over to fail2ban anyway.

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Re: Handling and resolving 'dependency' which has been custom compiled

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Hi

On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Lorenzo Sutton  wrote:


 I compiled ffmpeg manually to have jack audio [1] support by following the
 guide on the ffmpeg website [2]. This means ffmpeg is in ~/bin/ffmpeg (also
 in my PATH). Before doing this I removed (with yum) ffmpeg. Now if I try to:

 yum install kdenlive

 it will want to install ffmpeg.

 Any suggestions, ideas, pointers are welcome.


Try

https://github.com/larsks/fakeprovide/blob/master/fakeprovide

Also look at why RPM Fusion ffmpeg doesn't this support and file a bug
report if necessary

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Re: [ F21 ] How to remove GNOME

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On Sat, Mar 7, 2015 at 7:12 PM, Martin Cigorraga  wrote:

 Ahh, that's actually a nice tip Joe, thanks a lot.


I am afraid not.  It is quite the reverse really.  GDM requires a number of
GNOME components because it provides many features directly before you even
login.  However very few packages require GDM itself

$sudo dnf repoquery --whatrequires gdm

Using metadata from Fri Mar  6 22:30:56 2015

gnome-initial-setup-0:3.14.2.1-1.fc21.x86_64
ovirt-guest-agent-gdm-plugin-0:1.0.10.2-1.fc21.noarch
pulseaudio-gdm-hooks-0:5.0-25.fc21.x86_64
xfce4-xfswitch-plugin-0:0.0.1-11.fc21.x86_64
gnome-initial-setup-0:3.14.2.1-2.fc21.x86_64

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Re: rsyslog

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HI

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Glenn Holmer  wrote:

 On 03/05/2015 07:28 PM, Dan Irwin wrote:
  Honestly, most people (as in net/sys admins) don't even use Linux
  anymore. They use Windows 7 or Macs.


He probably means that they are using Mac or Windows to manage Linux
servers remotely.  This has been a common pattern all along for some folks
and not a recent change however

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Re: Why does Anaconda overrides user decisions?

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On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 1:02 PM, Glenn Holmer  wrote:

 Wait, are you saying that we can't have both functionality and a good,
 intuitive UI?


It is just way more harder to expose all the options and do so in a way
that many users would consider intuitive.  When you have feedback about
specific issues, file a bug report or post them in anaconda devel list and
hopefully the UI warts gets fixed over time as it has the past few releases

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Re: Why does Anaconda overrides user decisions?

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Hi

On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 10:56 PM, Sudhir Khanger wrote:



 I choose manual partitioning for a specific reason. When I choose manual
 partitioning I expect it to let me make legal decisions about partitioning.


Make your case in bugzilla then.


 Thanks. I will do that. Anacoda is the weakest link in Fedora toolchain.
 The
 non-linear UI is completely non-intuitive and not to mention it being GTK+
 means it will keep breaking in non-GNOME environments.


Anaconda doesn't rely on any desktop environment.

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Re: Why does Anaconda overrides user decisions?

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Hi

On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 6:46 PM, Rex Dieter  wrote:


 I think he was alluding to gtk3-theming related bugs in kde (we've hit
 several during f20/f21 pre-releases)


Sure but that doesn't really affect Anaconda.  It is not a regular program
you run in any desktop environment.  Even in a live environment, you are
doing it full screen.

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Re: Fedora-21 firewall advice?

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On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 8:19 PM, Dan Irwin  wrote:

 Personally, I'm somewhat amused.

 So the iptables scripts were broken. We all know that.

 Instead of fixing them, let's make a whole new firewalld thing!


You misunderstood.  It is not the scripts that were broken.  It is just a
basic design in iptables itself.  The fix is firewalld

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Re: End of 32-bit support?

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On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Dave Ihnat  wrote:


 It may seriously be time for Redhat to consider splitting Fedora into two
 distros--one tracking RHEL and continuing the role as testbed for RHEL, and
 the other taking up the role as an enthusiast's distro, and continuing to
 support the alternatives such as Pidora.


Internally,  Red Hat has a separate branch for RHEL that is different from
Fedora and has its own testing including development, alpha and beta that
is enterprise focused.  Fedora has never been designed for just that
purpose.  It is much more broader than that.

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Re: Fedora-21 firewall advice?

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On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 7:24 PM, Timothy Murphy  wrote:

 My meaning was: if firewalld is associated to systemd
 then sooner or later it will probably become the standard firewall
 in all distributions, so I might as well get used to it.


I see.   Firewalld is a independent project entirely however.  It is likely
to be standard in Fedora and RHEL for the foreseeable future but I don't
see other distributions adopting it. Atleast there has been no push for it
so far.  There is however broad support among other third party firewall
integration programs already probably because RHEL 7 has it by default.


 But if it is a straightforward choice between two firewalls,
 I may as well stick with the one I know.


Fair enough.  I would suggest looking into it when you have the time.

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Re: Fedora-21 firewall advice?

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Hi
On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Timothy Murphy  wrote:

 poma wrote:

  firewalld != systemd  :)

 I assumed it was one of the facilities made feasible by systemd?
 If it has nothing to do with systemd, what exactly is its advantage?


I am not how what that question means.  firewalld has nothing to do with
systemd and vice versa other than the fact that any service in Fedora is
started using systemd.   Also both systemd and firewalld comes with
extensive documentation

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FirewallD

To quote

The former firewall model with system-config-firewall/lokkit was static
and every change required a complete firewall restart. This included also
to unload the firewall netfilter kernel modules and to load the modules
that are needed for the new configuration. The unload of the modules was
breaking stateful firewalling and established connections.

The firewall daemon on the other hand manages the firewall dynamically and
applies changes without restarting the whole firewall. Therefore there is
no need to reload all firewall kernel modules. 



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Re: tmpfs

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Hi

On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 2:26 PM, Geoffrey Leach  wrote:

 I thought I would try having /tmp as a tmpfs. It's not mentioned in the
 Fedora 21 docs.  Is this because:

 o It worked so well (beginning in Fedora 18) that it's standard practice?


Whether it worked well or not is very relevant here but if a feature is new
to the release it is mentioned in the release notes but not if it is a
standard default feature and not new to the release.  There might be some
documentation needed for users who *don't* want tmp to be on /tmpfs.  If
the standard docs don't cover that, a RFE should be filed.

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Re: SLiM dependency on xterm?

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On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 9:46 AM, Ranjan Maitra  wrote:


 Sorry, I do not understand the question: SLiM is a simple login manager. I
 like it, but I don't quite see why it needs to bring in the dependency on
 xterm.


You should probably file a bug report.   It has a dependency on
xorg-x11-apps which appears unnecessary as well

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Re: f21 still on mono 2?

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H

On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Tom Horsley  wrote:

 I thought fedora was cutting edge :-). Why is the mono on
 fedora 21 still at 2.10? There's a mono 3 out there these
 days which I need to run the latest RepetierHost.
 --


http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Mono_3.4 has a copr repository link

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Re: f21 still on mono 2?

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On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 8:34 PM, Tom Horsley  wrote:


 Instructions not filled in by author. Author knows what to do. Everybody
 else should avoid this repo.


That's the default template for all copr repositories.  It is experimental
because it is targeted for Fedora 22.

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Re: getting rid of yum

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On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote:


 How come our systems behave differently?


Make sure you have dnf-plugins-core installed

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Re: getting rid of yum

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On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Matthew Miller  wrote:

 On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 09:39:29PM +0100, Lars E. Pettersson wrote:
  How come our systems behave differently?
  Make sure you have dnf-plugins-core installed
  Shouldn't that package be a requirement of dnf, and due to that be
  installed automatically if dnf is installed?

 There are some situations where it'd be nice to have DNF but the plugin
 behavior isn't necessary. So a hard dependency isn't ideal. And we
 don't have the details for soft dependencies all worked out. It does
 seem like it should have been pulled in for an upgrade, one way or
 another, though.


Upgrades to Fedora 22 should get it.  I have added both dnf and the core
plugin as default packages to the base group.  What I was suggesting is to
Lars is to install the plugin manually now and test whether that explains
the difference.

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Re: getting rid of yum

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Hi

On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote:

 On 12/16/14 22:32, Lars E. Pettersson wrote:

 Hm, could it be due to 'kernel' missing here?


 Apparently not:

 Moreover, the currently booted kernel package is always protected.

 (from http://rpm-software-management.github.io/dnf-
 plugins-core/protected_packages.html)

 So, still strange that it wants to remove my running kernel...


That would be good to file in a bug report.



 I also noted that dnf erase kernel deletes all packages called kernel is
 still on http://dnf.readthedocs.org/en/latest/cli_vs_yum.html


Documentation bug

 Or will dnf install all updates except the one that is broken (in my use
case)? (I have not tested dnf that much to have experienced this myself)

Correct.  dnf works as if you always pass -skip-broken.  If you want it to
show the breakage for debugging, pass --best

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Re: gnome-shell-extension-weather not working in F21

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Hi

On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 7:15 AM, Ahmad Samir  wrote:



 Alternatively you can disable the extension version checking altogether:
 gsettings set org.gnome.shell disable-extension-version-validation true


That would be generally a bad idea.  If you do that and install some new
extension which is not updated yet to be compatible with the release of
GNOME you are using, it will silently install but won't work.  Use it only
for devel releases or debugging

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Re: Fedora-21 upgrade - lost WiFi

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On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 8:25 AM, Timothy Murphy  wrote:

 I've lost WiFi on upgrading my Thinkpad T61 from Fedora-20/KDE to
 Fedora-21,
 using fedup.
 The WiFi card is Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 .
 I have what I assume is the correct driver - iwl5965 (and iwlegacy) loaded,

 Any advice or elucidation gratefully received.


Make sure you have NetworkManager-wifi package installed.  NetworkManager
became a lot more modular and wifi support is now a plugin.

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Re: Fedora-21 upgrade - lost WiFi

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Hi

On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Temlakos wrote:


 NetworkManager-wifi is not available in F20. Must I upgrade on an Ethernet
 connection and then go back and add NetworkManager-wifi?


The upgrade is supposed to install it automatically.  I just happen to
upgrade to Fedora 21 during the beta period and there were bugs that made
it not work properly.  It might have been fixed since then.  In any case, I
do recommend using a ethernet connection for upgrades

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Re: Fedup 20 to 21 - Gnome fails to start

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Hi

On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 7:36 PM,  wrote:

 I used fedup to move from F20 to F21 on two PCs. Both have Asus EN210
 Nvidia graphics cards. In both cases, starting gnome would result in an
 error which reads  a problem has occured and the system can't recover. I
 reinstalled the akmod nvidia driver on the PC with an EN210 1GB card, and,
 voila, the problem was solved; however, this did not work for the PC with
 the EN210 512MB card. I tried a few methods of reinstalling the driver,
 including negativo17 method ( http://negativo17.org/nvidia-driver/ ) with
 no success.

 I also tried the suggestion in the second link regarding enabling updates
 testing ( newer kernel, etc.. ) with no success



Create a new user, login and see if that works

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Re: nf_conntrack helpers?

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Hi

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 1:02 PM, Tom Horsley horsley1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Should this message mean anything to an ordinary mortal?

  nf_conntrack: automatic helper assignment is deprecated and it will be
 removed soon. Use the iptables CT target to attach helpers instead


It is not a message for ordinary mortals

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Re: Questions about Fedora 14 Workstation

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Hi

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 3:05 PM, Jeffrey Needle  wrote:

  My vote: some ability to install whatever is available in the
 repositories, without having to jump all over the place to find stuff.


Either command line or yumex for a graphical interface can help with that

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Re: Questions about Fedora 14 Workstation

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Hi

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:

 On 12/09/2014 12:25 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:

 On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 3:05 PM, Jeffrey Needle  wrote:

 __
 My vote: some ability to install whatever is available in the
 repositories, without having to jump all over the place to find stuff.


 Either command line or yumex for a graphical interface can help with that


 Excuse me, but last time I looked (about an hour ago) yumex *was* a
 graphical interface.


And?  What is your point?

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Re: Questions about Fedora 14 Workstation

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Hi
On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:57 PM, Ian Malone  wrote:


 This is just a guess, but looks like Joe thought you were suggesting
 using yumex to search for a graphical interface


Ah, I see.  I was suggesting that the user either use the command line (ie)
dnf or yum directly or use yumex if the user prefers a graphical interface.

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Re: Questions about Fedora 14 Workstation

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Hi

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 11:08 PM, Joe Zeff  wrote:

 On 12/09/2014 07:36 PM, Jeffrey Needle wrote:


 Not the way I took it.  I installed it, thinking it was a graphical
 interface for yum.


 It is a graphical interface for yum, but I gather that when dnf is ready,
 yumex will use it instead.


FYI,  yumex can already use dnf

https://copr.fedoraproject.org/coprs/timlau/yumex-dnf/

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Re: Send pictures by Fpaste.org

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On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Mickey  wrote:

 How can I send pictures by fpaste.org


You can't.  It is meant to handle only text content.  There are dozens of
temporary image hosting sites available however.

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Re: Latest systemd news

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Hi

On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 3:11 AM, Ian Malone  wrote:


 Where should users be discussing things that may negatively impact
 them?


That is too broad.  In this case, we are talking about features not
included within Fedora.   So the right place is upstream

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Re: Latest systemd news

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Hi

On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 3:19 AM, Lars E. Pettersson  wrote:

 The discussion is about a component already in use in Fedora, systemd,
and new features of it. How can this not be on-topic here?

You keep asking the same question that was answered before.   Users list is
for discussing features that are shipped in Fedora general release.  Not
for things not included in Fedora or only included in Rawhide or test
releases. I guess instead of pretending that this question was unanswered,
we are going to just disagree.

Well, to be frank, it was sold to solve the issue of start up time of
computer

To be frank, it was never sold as only a solution for that.

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Re: Better tools needed - Re: Latest systemd news

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Hi

On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 6:09 AM, Robert Moskowitz  wrote:


 systemctl list-unit-files


 Lists 315 services, most that I can't control.  And does it no longer
 matter if you are in single user, multiuser, etc mode on how the services
 run?


As I pointed out before, you *can* control them. There are no modes or
runlevels in systemd.  The functional equivalent is a target.

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Systemd#How_do_I_change_the_target_.28runlevel.29_.3F

 If you want to have a limited view of just services, then systemctl
list-units -t service or --type=service.  That lists about 75 services in
my laptop.


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Re: Latest systemd news

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Hi

On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Lars E. Pettersson  wrote:


 systemd IS a part of Fedora general release.


Yes but not the feature that was being discussed.


 It was, in the beginning. It then started to take over more and more other
 functions.


Not true.  It was never sold as only about fast startup.   fast startup was
a side benefit.

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Re: Latest systemd news

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Hi

On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 5:33 AM, Lars E. Pettersson  wrote:

 What part(s) of the systemd suite has not been adopted by Fedora so far?
 What says that this component will not be adopted by fedora?


Look up feature pages to understand which components have been adopted.


https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/systemd
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SystemdPredictableNetworkInterfaceNames
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/systemd-journal
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SystemdLightweightContainers
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SystemdCalendarTimers
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/PackagePresets

Noone so far has claimed that any component won't be adopted.  If and when
they are actually proposed, a discussion about them would be warranted.

Why? Where? Why shouldn't users be allowed to discuss these things here?


The same reason you are discouraged from even discuss test or development
releases of Fedora itself in this list.  It is offtopic.

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Re: Pleasant experience with yumex on F21 beta

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Hi

On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:


 It's possible that your change in DE was responsible.  I don't use Gnome,
 but by all reports it's a resource hog, and Xfce is much more light weight,
 and that might make the difference.


It is just a speedup in yumex itself.

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Re: Latest systemd news

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Hi

On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Lars E. Pettersson  wrote:

 My question was What part(s) of the systemd suite has not been adopted.
 Note the not part.


Yes.  I understood that fine.  I was pointing out which parts have been
adopted so you can count the rest as not adopted.  There are several
different components which haven't been adopted nor even proposed because
they are simply not yet ready or not general purpose enough to be used by
default.


 when they are actually proposed, a discussion about them would be
 warranted.


 I.e. it might very well be adopted and therefor a discussion about it is
 in order. Why wait for the inevitable?


That makes no sense.  You don't discuss developmental features of upstream
projects in a users list.


 This is not about a test or development release. It is about new
 functionality finding its way into systemd


Precisely why it is even more offtopic to discuss them here.  This list is
meant for helping users on general releases of Fedora. Any features that
are not part of the general releases of Fedora is not suitable for
discussion here.  We wrote up the list guidelines for a reason.  Please
follow them.

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Re: Latest systemd news

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Hi

On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 3:15 PM, Lars E. Pettersson  wrote:

 The issue being discussed in this thread has nothing to do with test
 releases and has because of that nothing to do on the test list. It has
 nothing to do with the development releases (rawhide) and has because of
 that nothing to do on the fedora-devel list. But again, this will affect
 the users of Fedora, and this list is about the users of Fedora


I will limit my answer to one point to keep it brief.  Despite your
insistence, development features that are part of upstream project but not
in any Fedora release *cannot* affect Fedora users by definition  Hence
they are offtopic for this list.  If you want to discuss them, go to the
upstream project mailing list for that

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Re: Latest systemd news

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Hi
On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Lars E. Pettersson  wrote:

 As systemd is (a huge) part of Fedora, and what we discuss is a new
 feature in systemd, it will, eventually,


That is by no means a good assumption but even if you take that assumption
as a given, it is not a good justification.  This is exactly why I provided
the analogy of development releases of Fedora.  What is in a test or
development release of Fedora will become part of Fedora regular releases
typically but even then, it is a good reason to discuss developmental
releases of Fedora in this list.  There is a separate mailing list for
that.   You are supposed to use that list instead.  In a similar way,
development branches of systemd has its own mailing list for discussing
such functionality called systemd-devel list.   Use that list if you are so
keen on discussing development branches of systemd.

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Re: Latest systemd news

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Hi

On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Lars E. Pettersson  wrote:

 I am keen on discussing how new features in systemd (or any other packages
 used by Fedora for that matter) will affect the users of Fedora. The best
 place for that is this users list.


 By that account why would rawhide or test releases be considered
offtopic?  How about development kernel or glibc features?

But I can not see that discussing Fedora users view on new features of
systemd on the systemd mailing lists will lead to any good...

Why wouldn't it?

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Re: Latest systemd news

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On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Matthew Miller  wrote:


 If the thread goes off the rails and outside of the scope of
 community assistance, encouragement, and advice — not to mention the
 Friends foundation — that's a different story.


I would suggest that the thread is off the rails long time back and not
enforcing the list guidelines and keeping the list on topic leads to us,
unable to point our own users to the list for help because they have to
wade through rants.  A similar problem already plagued the #fedora IRC
channel before more people stepped in.  I along with several others spend
hours every week on moderation in Ask Fedora to keep the content focused on
helping users.  I think the results are pretty clear.

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Re: Latest systemd news

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 7:23 PM, Dave Ihnat  wrote:

  Just telling them to shut up, out of scope seems a
 bad idea.


Good thing nobody did that then, right?  With all due respect, you can't
argue against your own made up quote.  As to the question of response from
Red Hat,  in case you haven't noticed,   RHEL 7 already has shipped with
it.  Ranting about developmental features in systemd in a *users* list is
hardly a good way to provide feedback to either Fedora or Red Hat.


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Re: Latest systemd news

[Rahul Sundaram]

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On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 8:08 PM, Dave Ihnat  wrote:


  Ranting about ...

 Excuse me; I worked very hard to *not* rant.


Sure.  I wasn't referring to your post.  Your effort is appreciated.


 It intended to be, and I
 believe was, a reasoned and rational attempt to explain why someone would
 be asking questions about systemd and the decisions, current and projected,
 to incorporate it into Fedora.  And to express the belief that this forum,
 and its participants, are important to Redhat's decison making process, and
 why.


I don't disagree with all that.  I do disagree that the current approach
taken in the beginning of the thread does a good job of doing that.  Red
Hat and other Fedora Project volunteer contributors should take feedback
from this list seriously and for this to happen, all participants need to
work better on providing feedback in a form that is useful.  That is a
collective responsibility and one that I find important.

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Re: Better tools needed - Re: Latest systemd news

[Rahul Sundaram]

HI

On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 8:17 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:

 Perhaps at some point we will get better tools for using systemd.


Thanks for bringing in something useful to the discussion that I can
address:

I mean compare:

 systemctl restart sshd.service

 with

 service sshd restart

 Is there something else to do with sshd other than sshd.service?  I have
 not found it.  Why not:

 systemctl restart sshd


Have you tried?  Hint:  It works fine.


 Then there was good old 'chkconfig' that produced a nice tablular report
 of services that can be controlled.  I have yet to find anything close to
 this with systemd.


https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SysVinit_to_Systemd_Cheatsheet

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Re: Better tools needed - Re: Latest systemd news

[Rahul Sundaram]

HI

On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 8:31 PM, Robert Moskowitz  wrote:

And the list is hugh compared to what services are really up to user
control.  I mean listed items like:

Yes that list is larger because systemd does allow you to control more than
sysvinit does directly.   Try it out


 Oh, and that (perferred) gives an error  :)


I am not sure if you actually typed in preferred.  I have clarified the
note anyway in the wiki.

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Re: Latest systemd news

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On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 8:31 PM, Dave Ihnat  wrote:


 I agree, but I will point out that incorporating systemd is an...extremely
 controversial...decision.  And, the entire arena seems to be fraught with
 extreme opinions.  Couple that with the fact that many here seem not to
 have known it was coming, and the excitement is predictable.


Well, it was originally meant to be default in Fedora 14 and there were
many discussions about it.  it is been years since that point. Perhaps
people didn't pay attention to it and didn't realize it but it wasn't snuck
in when people weren't looking.  There were literally hundreds of mails on
the subject before it become default.

I don't mind the feedback at all.  In fact, if it was more useful,  I would
spend *more* of my volunteer time on it and be more effective at it.  For
my part, I have been trying to improve the quality of the documentation
including the wiki and man pages.

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Re: Latest systemd news

[Rahul Sundaram]

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On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 9:01 PM, Dave Ihnat  wrote:


 That is intensely needed.  I think either new material explaining exactly
 why systemd is needed, and good, is critical.  If it already exists,
 collected pointers are just as good (if not better)


There are dozens of references about half way from

http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/

Also
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Systemd

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SysVinit_to_Systemd_Cheatsheet

systemd also also an extensive amount of man pages.

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Re: Latest systemd news

[Rahul Sundaram]

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On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 9:14 PM, Dave Ihnat  wrote:

 Just to point out how explosive the systemd issue is in the Linux
 community, note that Debian has been forked just beause of this:

   https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20141127.212941.f55acc3a.en.html

 Yes, I know, this isn't Fedora.  But if it's that controversial that an
 enire distro will split, we can't ignore the issue


Just to be clear, the entire distro didn't split.  A couple of folks
(literally just two) who are not Debian contributors have announced a
fork.  Whether it amounts to anything in practice remains to be seen.

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Re: Latest systemd news

[Rahul Sundaram]

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On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 2:48 PM, Lars E. Pettersson  wrote:

 On 11/18/14 04:20, Rahul Sundaram wrote:

 user mailing list of a distribution which doesn't even use the component
 at all yet.


 Well, how long do you think it will take until the component is being
 used then? Systemd have had a tendency to very quickly find its way into
 Fedora, and probably this will also do so. I.e., it might not be here yet,
 but it is on the door step. And discussions about this is a good thing,
 even on this list.


No. It isn't.  Not unless the component is proposed.  If you going to rant
about some experimental component a few days after it has been committed to
the master repository, please do it elsewhere.

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Re: Latest systemd news

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Chris Adams wrote:


   Why did the systemd
 project add this to the scope of the project for a system and service
 manager for Linux?


This was something that could have been easily asked to systemd developers
rather than the long rant that was posted.  In any case,

https://lwn.net/Articles/621201/

Also CoreOS sponsored development of a lot of network stack.  You can refer
to their guides on how they are using it.

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Re: Latest systemd news

[Rahul Sundaram]

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On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 9:35 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote:

 Right. Like systemd developers have such an established track record of
 listening to feedback from the community,


That has no connection to what I said.  If you have already made up your
mind, that's fine but if you are wondering why it is implemented, the right
place to direct the question is to the developers and not in a user mailing
list of a distribution which doesn't even use the component at all yet.

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Re: fedup??

[Rahul Sundaram]

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On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Beartooth  wrote:


 By unofficial fedora-upgrade tool I suppose you mean yum
 upgrade? I've seen posts about it, but never tried it myself.


No

$ sudo dnf info yum-upgrade

Available Packages
Name: fedora-upgrade
Arch: noarch
Epoch   : 0
Version : 21.2
Release : 1.fc21
Size: 34 k
Repo: updates-testing
Summary : Upgrade Fedora to next version using yum upgrade (unofficial
tool)
URL : https://github.com/xsuchy/fedora-upgrade
License : GPLv2
Description : Upgrade Fedora to next version using yum upgrade.
: This is attempt to automatize steps as listed here:
: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading_Fedora_using_yum
:
: This is an unofficial tool, for official Fedora-supported
: upgrades please see the 'fedup' tool.


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Re: Skype in Fedora

[Rahul Sundaram]

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On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 8:11 PM, Mickey wrote:

 Can Skype run in F20 with a Webcam ?


Yes

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Re: Package versions

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On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 3:51 PM, Suvayu Ali  wrote:

 Hi,

 I am trying to update a package in a copr repo I maintain, but for some
 reason I cannot figure out what I'm doing wrong with the package
 versions.  dnf does not seem to think the new package is an update.


Does RPM? use rpmdev-vercmp to check.  Also have you checked with yum?

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Re: Package versions

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On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 4:38 PM, Suvayu Ali  wrote:


 Is it possible that a dependent package which was compiled against the
 old notmuch is preventing the update.


Yes.  try dnf --best update

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Re: How to prevent a program from accessing to the Internet?

[Rahul Sundaram]

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On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 9:09 AM, Paul Smith  wrote:

 Dear All,

 I would like to prevent a program from accessing to the Internet. Any
 ideas?


http://serverfault.com/questions/550276/how-to-block-internet-access-to-certain-programs-on-linux

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Re: Can Fedora change the MAC address?

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On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Paul Smith  wrote:

 Dear All,

 Can Fedora 20 by itself change the MAC address?

 Thank in advance,

 Paul


You can spoof it.  This is the solution I recommend

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MAC_address_spoofing#macchanger_.2B_NetworkManager

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