Re: Action required: Account system IRC pointer reset

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 5:36 PM Kevin Fenzi  wrote:
>
> Greetings everyone.
>
> As you know, we migrated a while back from freenode.net to libera.chat for 
> our IRC networks,
> and we also migrated to a new account system. After these moves, we would 
> like to clear any
> IRC information that could be no longer correct and allow users to update 
> their accounts
> with the correct information.
>
> The old Fedora account system had a ‘irc nick’ field. The new Fedora account 
> system has
> a ‘Chat nicknames’ section. In that section you can put IRC nick(s) or Matrix 
> Ids.
> If you do not qualify them, they are assumed to be for the libera.chat (IRC) 
> and fedora.im (matrix) networks.
>
> Groups in both the old and new account system have a details section often 
> containing links to mailing list and irc channel.
>
> On 2021-11-10 we are going to remove from the account system all users ‘Chat 
> nicknames’ values
> and adjust all groups irc channel links from freenode.net to libera.chat. 
> Users are encouraged
> to login after this time and enter their current and correct Chat nicknames.
>

Will an additional announcement be going out once this change has been
applied, so we know when to update our nicks?
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Re: Node.js 6.14.1, 8.11.1 and 9.10.1 will *not* be built for Fedora or EPEL

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 8:41 AM Robert Van Voorhees 
wrote:

> While on the topic of Node.js versions, do we plan on moving Fedora 28 to
> Node 10, since their release dates coincide, or will Node 10 be pushed
> until Fedora 29?
>
> For those not aware, Node 10 is the next LTS, however it's LTS support
> does not start until October even though the release is slated for April:
> https://github.com/nodejs/Release
>
>

My plan is for Fedora 28 traditional RPM repositories to ship Node.js 8
because I don't like changing defaults after Beta release. However, as
Fedora 28 is now the first release with support for Fedora Modularity, you
may have noticed that it is also providing a non-default module for Node.js
6.x and 9.x that one can switch to. So what I intend to do is package up
Node.js 10.x as quickly as possible and make that a non-default module in
F28 and the default for F29.

So, you'll be able to use it in Fedora 28 by doing `dnf module install
nodejs:10` if you want to. Also available as a module will be 6.x and 9.x
if you really want or need them, though they won't carry updates past
upstream's EOL, which is in April 2019 for 6.x and June 2018 for 9.x).
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Node.js 6.14.1, 8.11.1 and 9.10.1 will *not* be built for Fedora or EPEL

[Stephen Gallagher]

Just a general notice to anyone using Node.js in Fedora. We're not going to
be rebuilding for the releases in the Subject because there's no need. The
X.Y.1 releases were created because of a compilation mistake made by the
upstream binary release process and contain no additional commits. Since
Fedora and EPEL rebuild all of the sources in our own build environment,
there is no need to issue an update at this time.
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Re: yum install nodejs installs 200+ rpms but still won't run.

[Stephen Gallagher]

On 03/04/2016 04:13 AM, Gary Stainburn wrote:
> On Thursday 03 March 2016 17:37:16 Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>>
>> engine.io isn't packaged in Fedora, so it's not going to be able to find it
>> just from a yum install.
>>
>> You need to run `npm install` in "and it
>> will download all the requires modules into the node_modules folder which
>> then can be used. I just tested this on Fedora 24 with the tutorial
>> socket.io from your original message, in case you are curious.
> 
> Hi Stephen,
> 
> Thank you for replying.  I'm going to take another look at this probably over 
> the weekend.
> 
> Can you please clarify your statememt.
> 
> What do you mean by "the socket.io checkout directory"

The directory created when you ran `git clone 
git://github.com/learnboost/socket.io`


> How will "npm install" know what is required?
> 
"Magic". (Or, more specifically, it will parse package.json and install whatever
it needs to)


> Gary
> 





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Re: yum install nodejs installs 200+ rpms but still won't run.

[Stephen Gallagher]

On 03/02/2016 09:54 AM, Gary Stainburn wrote:
> I folks.
> 
> I've tried installing node.js and socket.io as I want to see if they will 
> provide a solution to a problem I have.
> 
> However, the first problem I've got is that it won't run.  Below are the yum 
> installs that I've tried. They look a bit iratic as I did them while trying 
> things, and reading a number of web pages.  Between them they must have 
> installed over 200 rpms.
> 
> The result is that when I try testing the install using 
> 
> git://github.com/learnboost/socket.io
> 
> I get the error shown below.  This seems to be a known problem on Fedora, and 
> is designed to work this way.  The solution is supposed to be found at
> 
> https://npmjs.org/doc/faq.html#I-installed-something-globally-but-I-can-t-require-it
> 
> but all I get is HTTP error 404.  Can anyone please tell me what I need to do
> 
> [gary@gary chat]$ node .
> 
> module.js:340
> throw err;
>   ^
> Error: Cannot find module 'engine.io'
> at Function.Module._resolveFilename (module.js:338:15)
> at Function.Module._load (module.js:280:25)
> at Module.require (module.js:364:17)
> at require (module.js:380:17)
> at Object. (/home/gary/socket.io-node/lib/index.js:8:14)
> at Module._compile (module.js:456:26)
> at Object.Module._extensions..js (module.js:474:10)
> at Module.load (module.js:356:32)
> at Function.Module._load (module.js:312:12)
> at Module.require (module.js:364:17)
> [gary@gary chat]$ ll
> total 16
> -rw-rw-r-- 1 gary gary 1934 Mar  2 14:18 index.js
> -rw-rw-r-- 1 gary gary  249 Mar  2 14:18 package.json
> drwxrwxr-x 2 gary gary 4096 Mar  2 14:18 public
> -rw-rw-r-- 1 gary gary  497 Mar  2 14:18 README.md
> [gary@gary chat]$ 
> 

engine.io isn't packaged in Fedora, so it's not going to be able to find it just
from a yum install.

You need to run `npm install` in the socket.io checkout directory and it will
download all the requires modules into the node_modules folder which then can be
used. I just tested this on Fedora 24 with the tutorial socket.io from your
original message, in case you are curious.




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Re: Finding the date on which a Fedora 23 was installed on a given machine

[Stephen Gallagher]

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On 01/15/2016 05:34 AM, Christopher Ross wrote:
> 
> On 14/01/16 17:43, Kevin Wilson wrote:
>> Is there a way to find out the date on which a Fedora distro was 
>> installed on a given machine (assuming that the date was set
>> correctly on the machine when it was installed)?
> 
> 
> # rpm -qi fedora-release
> 
> Name: fedora-release Version : 22 Release : 1 
> Architecture: noarch Install Date: Tue 26 May 2015 20:34:10 BST 
> Group   : System Environment/Base Size: 4235 License
> : MIT Signature   : RSA/SHA256, Tue 19 May 2015 19:08:23 BST, Key
> ID 11adc0948e1431d5 Source RPM  : fedora-release-22-1.src.rpm Build
> Date  : Tue 19 May 2015 15:27:10 BST Build Host  :
> arm04-builder06.arm.fedoraproject.org Relocations : (not
> relocatable) Packager: Fedora Project Vendor  : Fedora
> Project URL : http://fedoraproject.org Summary : Fedora
> release files Description : Fedora release files such as various
> /etc/ files that define the release.
> 
> 
> Hope this helps, Chris R.
> 

That approach will only work if the fedora-release package hasn't been
updated (because then you'll see the date of that update, not the
original date).

I think the best approach was the first one suggested; checking the
ctime of /root/anaconda-ks.cfg
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Re: Firewalld.cond

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On 10/29/2015 04:46 AM, Antonio M wrote:
> should this file be linked to some other file, i.e. 
> firewall-workstation.conf???
> 

Not enough information. firewalld.conf is the definitive location; on
fresh installs it will start out pointing at the
firewalld-$EDITION.conf file, but if you want to make custom edits to
it, breaking the link is completely sensible.

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Re: Fedora 22: SSSD Active Directory authentication

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Wed, 2015-05-27 at 10:58 -0400, Frank Pikelner wrote:
 Hello,
 
 Is anyone successfully using SSSD to authenticate user logins into 
 Fedora 22 against Active Directory. More specifically using AD 
 provider (versus LDAP) in their SSSD config? 
 
 If possible, please share your config (less any confidential info) 
 and any lessons learned.
 


The easiest way to get this done is to use realmd:

realm join ad_server

That should set things up reasonably well. If you also want to use AD
GPOs for access control, set ad_gpo_access_control = enforcing

Also make sure your system's DNS server is capable of resolving all of
your domain controllers.

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Re: trying to install android studio

[Stephen Gallagher]

- Original Message -
 From: William Biggs b...@kc8pdr.com
 To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
 Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 9:18:20 PM
 Subject: trying to install android studio
 
 I'm trying to install android studio . But it needs java . I try to
 install openjdk .But it keeps asking for java . Can some tell me how to
 install the simple way to install java and jdk in fedora 21 64bit ?
 


You may also want to check out 
https://copr.fedoraproject.org/coprs/phracek/android-studio/ which has packages 
for Android Studio 135 (not quite the latest version yet, but he's working on 
that).
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Re: Converting server to workstation

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Mon, 2015-02-23 at 11:42 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:
 On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:34 AM, Paul Smith phh...@gmail.com wrote:
  Dear All,
  
  Is there some simple way to convert
  
  fedora-server
  
  to
  
  fedora-workstation ?
 
 Check the thread on Fedora test@ (see archives if you're not 
 subscribed), Convert nonproduct to productX which is somewhat 
 related. The gist is that this possibility should be de-emphasized, 
 if not unsupported. The fact environments show up (non-hidden) in 
 yum/dnf group list suggests (to me) that this is intentional, but it 
 turns out this is an aberration that ought to be fixed, as in hide 
 it.
 


This won't convert it to Workstation, but you can try the tips in 
https://fedoraserver-wgblog.rhcloud.com/graphical-desktop-environments-on-fedora-21-server/


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Re: is it the future?

[Stephen Gallagher]

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On 09/11/2014 06:33 PM, Dave Ihnat wrote:
 On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 04:30:11PM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
 There are plenty of complaints that can be *legitimately*
 leveled against systemd. The correct way to do this ...
 
 With all due respect, this isn't a matter of filing bug reports.
 
 I've been working on Unix since around 1980; I was teaching Unix
 internals at Bell Labs in Naperville in 1982.  I've discussed
 Ritchie streams with Ritchie, and hacked the Unix kernel back then.
 I knocked out cut and paste--maybe nothing that stunning, but it
 cost me a lot when I did it.  I know and understand what the
 Unix--and, by extension, Linux--philosophy is.
 
 I've also worked on DOS, and Windows, since their inception, and
 many other operating systems before and after both.  I've seen some
 sensible decisions--although with either DOS or Windows, I'm hard
 pressed right now to think of them--and some really stupid ideas,
 such as the Registry.
 
 Systemd is one of the stupid ideas.  It flies in the face of
 everything that makes sense in Unix or Linux, and incorporates some
 of the most amazingly bad ideas Microsoft ever promulgated.  A
 single point of failure, an Swiss army knife of totally disparate
 tasks incorporated in a single process just because we can...
 

I really wish people would stop repeating this falsehood. systemd is
*not* a single process. It's a name for a collection of small
processes that *collectively* are called systemd. There's no single
point of failure that's significantly more problematic than pid 1 has
ever been.


 I didn't pay attention to this until recently; now that I've dug
 into it a bit more, I'm both horrified and astonished that it's
 reached the level of acceptance it has.  This is an amazingly
 terrible concept, with the unbelievable adjunct that it's been
 accepted by major Linux distros. Unchecked, this could be the stake
 in the heart of Linux.  Those who don't know history are doomed to
 repeat it.
 
 Sincerely, -- Dave Ihnat dih...@dminet.com
 

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Re: weather server

[Stephen Gallagher]

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On 09/11/2014 05:45 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote:
 Hello,
 
 For now 2 days, my connection to the weather server seems not
 working. How can I manage it?
 
 Thank
 
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https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1140476
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Re: is it the future?

[Stephen Gallagher]

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On 09/09/2014 11:34 PM, Anders Wegge Keller wrote:
 On Tue, 9 Sep 2014 11:18:06 -0400 Kelly Miller
 lightsolphoe...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Yeah, they did... and refuted every single point made there,
 multiple times.
 
 Can you point out a place where those refutes can be found? I want
 to see how one goes about refuting an objective statement.
 

I'd say that https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem/systemd pretty
much counters that page point-for-point.

Also, almost all of the statements made are not objective. Nearly
all of the statements made are thoroughly subjective (e.g. systemd
flies in the face of the Unix philosophy).

In fact, as I read through that page again, the only verifiable
statement made was about the number of CVEs that systemd has
experienced. Which is, of course, presented in a way to hide the fact
that most of those were not in the init system itself, but in
peripheral pieces such as journald. There's no mention of the count of
CVEs from sysvinit or upstart, let alone the likely thousands from the
kernel itself.

In short, this entire page is a troll with no substance.

There are plenty of complaints that can be *legitimately* leveled
against systemd. The correct way to do this is by filing bugs and
feature-enhancement requests. Mindlessly repeating misleading
sound-bytes is something better left for cable news stations and off
of development mailing lists, please.
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Re: Tablet hardware

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On 08/17/2014 09:55 AM, Florian Weimer wrote:
 Is there any tablet-like hardware which is well-supported by Fedora
 20 and later?  Something with a high-resolution display?
 
 I don't need 3D acceleration beyond what's needed to run a typical 
 desktop environment, but I'd like to have lots of RAM, a bit of
 CPU power (perhaps even a current Core i7) and an SSD with decent
 read speed.
 

The only one I've heard of anyone spending real time getting running
is:
https://www.happyassassin.net/fedlet-a-fedora-remix-for-bay-trail-tablets/

But that's an ARM platform, not an x86_* system.

I've heard of people having some success with the Microsoft Surface
Pro and Pro 2 (I don't know about the Pro 3).
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Re: LDAP login from console - solved

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On 06/24/2014 03:10 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
 Jerry Feldman wrote:
 My solution was to create a local user with the same credentials
 of my LDAP user. If the network is up, then the login gets the
 exported home directory, if the network is down the local user
 gets a local home - such as when I power up before I bring the
 VPN online.
 
 A better solution would be to use sssd for authentication. It can
 cache credentials if the server is not available.

If you use 'authconfig' to set up your LDAP configuration, it will
automatically configure SSSD correctly.
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Re: Five Things in Fedora This Week (2014-04-01)

[Stephen Gallagher]

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On 04/02/2014 04:44 PM, Ian Malone wrote:
 On 2 April 2014 16:04, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi
 
 
 On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Ian Malone  wrote:
 
 I originally missed this line in Rahul's email:
 Other apps can use the compatibility layer called XWayland.
 
 But did read his reply to Lee:
 Hm, not really useful when it doesn`t work with existing
 WMs ...
 That would be the responsibility of the WM's themselves.
 
 Which might have been better reiterating the point about the 
 compatibility layer.
 
 
 Reiterating doesn't help much when people jump to conclusions
 rather than read through the details which are widely available
 online but in any case, the compatibility layer is primary
 designed for running X apps that haven't migrated over but window
 managers are rather special and tend to use very specific
 functionality from X rather than rely mostly on abstraction
 layer via GTK or Qt which themselves can work with Wayland.  So
 they really should be ported over and that is the responsibility
 of the WM developers.  You could in theory be running a full
 desktop environment over the compatibility layer but it isn't a
 good idea since performance will likely suffer and it isn't
 designed for that.
 
 
 I would love to spend all my free time reading up about every new 
 project, but it's not going to happen. Sorry typo, I would loathe 
 to... Since you and Stephen Gallagher have now said somewhat
 contradictory things I'm left no wiser than when we started. I also
 don't know whether to take the statement about performance at face
 value or whether to imagine it's conjecture, since compatibility
 layers can be quite transparent. (And also since more modern WMs
 incorporate scripting engines we seem to be at the point where we
 say performance limits for WM aren't a worry any more.)
 

I don't think we said anything contradictory at all. I pointed out
that the Wayland developers are including a compatibility layer called
XWayland that provides a backwards-compatible interface for
applications and window managers that are designed for X-Windows.
Rahul accurately pointed out that the nature of a compatibility
wrapper is such that it would never have the same real-world
performance as a pure implementation (such as x.org) and as such if
window managers (which tend to use far more of the low-level API than
applications do) want ideal performance, it is in their best interest
to port to the new Wayland code instead of relying on the X-Windows
compatibility.
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Re: Five Things in Fedora This Week (2014-04-01)

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On 04/02/2014 08:08 AM, lee wrote:
 Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us writes:
 
 On 04/01/2014 09:49 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
 That would be the responsibility of the WM's themselves.  WM's
 have to add support.  Not the other way around as you seem to
 think.
 
 Which is why I pointed out that the question was if fvwm works
 with Wayland, not the other way around.
 
 It has been established that it is irrelevant what users think.
 I`m merely saying that wayland seems not very useful when it
 doesn`t work with most of the existing WMs.


I think you completely miss the point here. The point is that X11 has
reached the end of its usable life. Because of fundamental
architecture decisions made decades ago, it cannot keep up with the
desires of the modern window managers (for things like compositing,
input method handling and much more).

People have spent most of the last decade hacking on additional
features to X11 in a haphazard way, limited by the historic
architecture. Wayland was started as a means of providing those
features that copious window managers/desktop environments have been
asking for. There is *no way* to do this in a backwards-compatible
manner, because the historical architecture never conceived of the
modern way of doing things.

This means that in order to get all these capabilities, the individual
Window Managers will need to adapt to the new API. If they do not,
there is effort to provide a compatibility layer called XWayland that
will allow it to emulate the behavior of a classic X Windows
environment. This is still a work in progress (and is not perfect),
but it's an effort to ease this migration.

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Re: Five Things in Fedora This Week (2014-04-01)

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On 04/02/2014 08:20 AM, poma wrote:
 On 02.04.2014 13:54, Liam Proven wrote:
 On 2 April 2014 10:37, Patrick O'Callaghan
 pocallag...@gmail.com wrote:
 but a redesign of the X protocol, i.e. it's not ABI
 compatible.
 
 
 No, it's not a redesign of anything. It is an entirely new GUI
 layer which entirely replaces X.11 - as has been done in both
 Android and Mac OS X and which Canonical are attempting to do
 with Mir.
 
 Mir was a space station that operated in low Earth orbit from 1986
 to 2001, owned at first by the Soviet Union and then by Russia. Mir
 was the first modular space station and was assembled in orbit from
 1986 to 1996.
 
 How much is Tour de Mir per capita?
 

I realize you're likely being a troll, but Mir is Canonical/Ubuntu's
alternative to Wayland. It's another post-X11, compositing display
server meant to address basically the same needs that Wayland does.
Canonical made a big noise a few years ago that Wayland was the wrong
approach and tried to get support for its alternative, but years later
Wayland is nearly ready for use and Mir has seen countless delays, as
well as zero distributions adopting it outside of Ubuntu.

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Re: Five Things in Fedora This Week (2014-04-01)

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On 04/02/2014 09:42 AM, Ian Malone wrote:
 On 2 April 2014 14:26, Stephen Gallagher sgall...@redhat.com
 wrote:
 
 
 Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us writes:
 
 On 04/01/2014 09:49 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
 That would be the responsibility of the WM's themselves.
 WM's have to add support.  Not the other way around as you
 seem to think.
 
 Which is why I pointed out that the question was if fvwm
 works with Wayland, not the other way around.
 
 
 This means that in order to get all these capabilities, the
 individual Window Managers will need to adapt to the new API. If
 they do not, there is effort to provide a compatibility layer
 called XWayland that will allow it to emulate the behavior of a
 classic X Windows environment. This is still a work in progress
 (and is not perfect), but it's an effort to ease this migration.
 
 
 I know you weren't reply to me, but this is really the point I
 wanted to make: to take advantage of Wayland it makes absolute
 sense that applications will need to use a new API. But breaking
 WMs, toolkits and applications (whether they use toolkits or X
 directly doesn't much matter if they don't work) and saying it's
 their fault for not updating isn't really a goer, a compatibility
 layer is a must. If the

I don't think anyone has ever said that, except the baseless
accusations made in this very thread :)

As I said, XWayland exists for this very purpose. It's not perfect,
but neither is the rest of Wayland, yet. This need is not being
ignored by anyone.


 new API is so much better people will move eventually if the new 
 features are needed. If they're not needed then forcing a change
 is just creating unnecessary work.
 

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Re: Is it irrelevant what users of FOSS think? (Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, Why?))

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On 03/24/2014 09:22 AM, lee wrote:
 Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org writes:
 
 On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 08:34:55PM +0100, lee wrote:
 I`m somewhat surprised that the feeling of apparent desinterest
 of the makers of Fedora in what its users think seems kinda
 widespread under its users.  Perhaps it`s a wrong impression;
 if not, it may be something for Fedora.next to address.
 
 I think it's unfair impression. Some of the developers only care
 about their own area, and perhaps the users of that thing but not
 the project overall, sure. But overall, we care very much.
 
 ... and time and resources are limited.
 
 The catch is: it's hard to get a good sense of what the userbase
 as a whole thinks. It's easy to conflate that with care about
 what some users are repeating very loudly on a mailing list.
 That's certainly _some_ input, but it's a skewed view of the
 actual world.
 
 Many of the better possible ways to measure are very expensive,
 but overall, there is one which is straightforward and effective:
 users who represent a large enough community will have some
 percentage of people willing and able to contribute by becoming
 Fedora developers, and those people guide the project through
 their actions.
 
 Are users making packages substantially different from users
 giving input through a mailing list?  In both cases, you have a
 number of users, and some of them do something, i. e. are active on
 the mailing list or are active by making packages.
 
 The ones making packages probably have more influence.  Is it
 supposed to be like that?
 


Frankly, yes. Feedback on a list is fine, but anyone can say Hey, I
wish it was more like this:, but ultimately it will be up to someone
to actually implement that change. The ones who go and do the work are
the ones who have the final say on what happens.

If something is interesting or important enough to an individual, then
they can decide to either implement it themselves or seek out the
specific resources to do so for them (either by hiring a contractor or
talking someone with the requisite skills into doing it for them).

Very little change or improvement ever happens because a lot of people
talked about doing something for years. Things change because someone
actually goes and makes it happen. That's the culture we try to
encourage in Fedora. Sometimes it means that a very dedicated group of
individuals goes and implements something that a lot of people
disagree with. When enough of those people disagree, someone will
probably come forth and try to either fix or replace that subsystem.
It happens with desktop environments, it happens with low-level system
components and it's always going to be that way.


 That's why we have Gnome, KDE, LXDE, and MATE-Compiz desktop
 spins -- and, pointedly, not a fvwm one. If you really think that
 this is the best course for Fedora, I encourage you to step up
 and create one. (See
 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Spins_Process.)
 
 I don`t understand why every possible choice should require making
 a distribution on it`s own.
 

You're confusing a spin with a distribution (and a product with a
distribution).

Both products and spins are curated sets of packages from a single
distribution (Fedora). Each one has its own reason for existing (in
the case of the desktop spins, it's basically to show off a particular
piece of technology).

For the Products, we're working to establish specific *solutions*.
Recognizing that most people install an operating system so that,
well, they can operate their system, we're trying to build solutions
for three common use-cases so that newcomers to the Fedora Project
don't feel like they need to make a thousand individual package
choices to get their system running. There will always be people who
want to do that, and we'll continue to cater to them by having the
wider package set remain available (as well as the spins process so
people who care enough can build new install-and-deployment media).



 Or, if that's not really you're thing, you could step back and
 focus on what you are suggesting is a bigger problem -- getting
 user input into Fedora. How could that be done better? Surveys?
 More user testing? An active User Feedback SIG?
 
 I think that a mailing list like this one can provide a lot of
 input and that extracting it can be a problem.  It`s not like all
 package maintainers could read all posts here in order to figure
 out what users might want.
 

Mailing lists are a *start*, but you also have to recognize that
you're dealing with a self-selected set of responders. Specifically,
the set of people on the fedora-users and fedora-devel mailing lists
are generally people who are already enamored of Fedora and/or have
been working with it for a long time. This is traditionally a set of
people who have established their own ways of working around (and
sometimes mentally blocking) some of the more painful parts of the
Fedora 

Re: krb5-workstation dependency

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On 03/13/2014 12:00 PM, Pal, Laszlo wrote:
 If you check my output you can see this is what I did exactly :) 
 Somehow in fc20 krb5-workstation requires a different version of 
 krb5-libs than other part of the system
 

No, you did


sudo yum install krb5-workstation-1.11.3-33.fc20.x86_64


which requests a SPECIFIC version (not the same as the one available
in the repo now). Instead, do just

sudo yum install krb5-workstation

which will pull in whatever is the current stable release.
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Re: What is Gnome Screensaver?

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On 01/14/2014 03:21 PM, Steven Stern wrote:
 I have it installed, but AFAICT it doesn't do anything, nor is
 there a GUI to config it.
 
 I've installed xscreensaver because I enjoy a few minutes of eye
 candy before the monitor is turned off.
 
 
 Please do not reply telling me you don't use gnome and I'm at fault
 or in some way deficient for using it. Thanks.
 
 

GNOME Screensaver is deprecated (as far as I'm aware) in GNOME in
favor of the GNOME Shell lock shield.

That being said, I believe it still exists in the repositories for use
with the Mate desktop, which uses it as both the standard screensaver
and the lock screen.
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Re: FYI: Centos joins RedHat

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On 01/08/2014 03:23 AM, Frank Murphy wrote:
 On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 15:26:03 -0600 Steven Stern
 subscribed-li...@sterndata.com wrote:
 
 From the CENTOS user mailing list
 
 
 snipped Would this be a ready made base, for fedora.next server?
 

I can only speak for my own intentions here, but I have been treating
Fedora Server as the reverse.

What I want to see is Fedora Server being the development line for
what will eventually become the RHEL Server and CentOS Server
platforms. Ideally, I'd like to do it without the historic wink wink,
RHEL might be coming soon garbage that makes it difficult to plan.

I'd like for there to be transparency about exactly we expect RHEL N+1
to be providing and make a clear and publicized branch point from
Fedora Server.

So, in effect, CentOS basically does then become the Fedora LTS that
people have been asking for over the years.

Note: This statement is made by Stephen Gallagher the Fedora
contributor. Stephen Gallagher the Red Hat employee is campaigning for
this internally as well, but no commitments (or contradictions) have
as yet been made by Red Hat towards this statement.
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Re: Looking for a Nautilus alternative - under Gnome

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On 01/08/2014 08:05 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
 I am not looking at switching from Gnome to another desktop
 environment, but the removal of the tree view from Nautilus has
 hamstrung it for drag-n-drop. I have worked with it for a couple
 weeks now, and there are a number of DnD operations I do that just
 don't work.  In some cases, between two Nautilus windows I can kind
 of live with how DnD functions without tree view, but even that is
 hit and miss (constant changing of focus to where you are dropping,
 for example of bad behaviour).
 
 On the Gnome list i was told tree view was deprecated.  No plugins,
 and I don't know how to even begin writing one.  BTW, I DO turn on
 'Navigate folders in a tree' view, but that is only half of tree
 view.
 
 So what alternative is there to Nautilus.  I went searching via
 yumex, I did not see any obvious other file browser.  Seems there
 use to be a number of them?
 
 

Try 'nemo', it's a fork of Nautilus used in the Cinnamon desktop. IIRC
it still has the tree view.
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Re: gnome-classic-session

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On 01/08/2014 11:57 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
 I am looking through what extensions are available for gnome via
 yumex, and I find gnome-classic-session.
 
 This sounds interesting.  I really miss gnome2, and Centos and
 ClearOS are gnome2.
 
 So is anyone running it on f20?  What experiences are they having?
 
 

I did an extensive series of blog posts on Gnome Classic. The final
one describes my ultimate (and current) environment on Fedora 20. I
suggest you have a look:
http://sgallagh.wordpress.com/2013/06/27/one-week-with-gnome-3-classic-twenty-eight-days-later/
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Re: Fedora repos - security updates how?

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On 01/07/2014 08:46 AM, Frank Murphy wrote:
 How are fedora updates marked as security updates in the repos.
 

What are you asking, exactly?

When a package maintainer files an update in the Bodhi update system
(https;//admin.fedoraproject.org/updates), he or she selects the
update type from a list of Enhancement, Bugfix, Security, New
Package. This metadata is encoded into the repo data when createrepo
is run.

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Re: update 19 to 20

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On 01/06/2014 02:17 PM, Patrick Dupre wrote:
 Hello,
 
 running fedup --device /dev/sr0 I get: WARNING: problems were
 encountered during transaction test: broken dependencies 
 perl-Module-Refresh-0.17-6.fc19.noarch requires
 perl-4:5.16.3-266.fc19.i686 perl-YAML-Syck-1.25-1.fc19.i686
 requires perl-4:5.16.3-266.fc19.i686 
 texlive-dvips-bin-3:svn30088.0-0.1.20130608_r30832.fc19.i686
 requires texlive-kpathsea-lib-3:2013-0.1.20130608_r30832.fc19.i686 
 cpanspec-1.78-13.fc19.noarch requires perl-4:5.16.3-266.fc19.i686 
 texlive-dvipng-bin-3:svn30088.0-0.1.20130608_r30832.fc19.i686
 requires texlive-kpathsea-lib-3:2013-0.1.20130608_r30832.fc19.i686,
 libpng-2:1.5.13-2.fc19.i686, gd-2.0.35-24.fc19.i686 
 texlive-makeindex-bin-3:svn30088.0-0.1.20130608_r30832.fc19.i686
 requires texlive-kpathsea-lib-3:2013-0.1.20130608_r30832.fc19.i686 
 perl-JSON-Any-1.29-4.fc19.noarch requires
 perl-4:5.16.3-266.fc19.i686 perl-Test-LongString-0.15-6.fc19.noarch
 requires perl-4:5.16.3-266.fc19.i686 texlive-c 
 . perl-CPAN-Checksums-2.08-5.fc19.noarch
 requires perl-4:5.16.3-266.fc19.i686 perl-PDL-2.4.10-6.fc19.i686
 requires perl-4:5.16.3-266.fc19.i686, gd-2.0.35-24.fc19.i686 
 gl2ps-1.3.8-2.fc19.i686 requires libpng-2:1.5.13-2.fc19.i686 
 GraphicsMagick-perl-1.3.18-2.fc19.i686 requires
 perl-4:5.16.3-266.fc19.i686 avogadro-1.0.3-16.fc19.i686 requires
 avogadro-libs-1.0.3-16.fc19.i686, boost-python-1.53.0-14.fc19.i686 
 setools-3.3.7-38.fc19.i686 requires
 setools-libs-3.3.7-38.fc19.i686 perl-Check-ISA-0.04-14.fc19.noarch
 requires perl-4:5.16.3-266.fc19.i686 
 gettext-devel-0.18.2.1-1.fc19.i686 requires
 gettext-0.18.2.1-1.fc19.i686, gettext-libs-0.18.2.1-1.fc19.i686 
 LabPlot-1.6.0.3-3.fc19.i686 requires hdf5-1.8.10-5.fc19.i686 
 perl-MailTools-2.12-2.fc19.noarch requires
 perl-4:5.16.3-266.fc19.i686 Continue with the upgrade at your own
 risk.
 
 
 What should I do?
 
 Thank.
 

Sounds like you have some packages installed that aren't part of the
DVD set on Fedora 20. Your best bet would be to run 'fedup --network
20'. That will pull the latest packages from the network (though it
will require network access, of course).

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Re: Fedora Magazine

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On 11/05/2013 09:27 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote:
 The Fedora Newsletter used to contain short articles dealing with a
 single topic, say WiFi, with information and advice on that topic. 
 I found this very useful.
 
 This ended several years ago, and the newsletter became a record of
 meetings held, decisions taken, etc. I did not find this
 interesting or useful.
 
 As far as I can see, the newsletter has now been replaced by the
 Fedora Magazine http://fedoramagazine.org/. I hoped when I saw
 this that this meant a return to the old newsletter model, with
 articles dealing with specific topics, from a user-support point of
 view. Unfortunately, I don't see anything like that in the
 magazine.
 
 Is there any plan to offer something along those lines in the
 future? I see there is an AskFedora section, but it appears to be
 empty, apart from an introductory article which seems to be by
 Rahul Sundaram, although that is not entirely clear. Amything by
 Rahul would be very welcome, since I've always found his comments
 extremely useful and to the point. But I haven't seen any for some
 time.
 


I'm pretty sure the Fedora Magazine folks accept submitted articles.
Why not write something up and send it in? Or encourage othes to do
the same.
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Re: Gnome 3 Favourite programs.

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On 10/28/2013 02:47 PM, Bill Case wrote:
 Hi; In Gnome there used to be a facility for establishing your
 favourite program for basic functions.  Example, to call up a
 specific browser when you clicked on a link.
 
 I used to use Firefox as my main browser set to start on startup in
 its own workspace.  I would also choose Web (formerly Epiphany)
 as my favourite so whenever I clicked a link not in Firefox, Web
 would open in the workspace where I was working for a quick search.
 
 
 How now in Gnome 3 can I set this favourite or preferred Browser to
 Web?
 
 [P.S. I have never found a Gnome help site that actually answers 
 questions or gives help.  I have used email and their forum
 without every getting answers so I am try Fedora for information.]
 

In the GNOME Settings panel, click on Details (Unintuitive, I know)
and go to Default Applications
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Re: Fedora = the darker side of the Internet?

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On 10/11/2013 01:19 PM, Tim wrote:
 Allegedly, on or about 11 October 2013, Reindl Harald sent:
 which has *nothing* to do with the darker side of the Internet
 
 That part of their message was *CLEARLY* humorous.
 

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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Re: Turning off SELINUX

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On 09/05/2013 04:41 PM, Javier Perez wrote:
 After reading this, I am turning off SELINUX
 
 http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/05/nsa-gchq-encryption-codes-security

 
 
 Until I hear of  a thorough code review by a non-USA team of this
 code, I do not feel safe using it, privacy wise.
 
 It's a pity because SELINUX is a good idea.
 


SELinux is a *great* idea. You know what's the best part? It has
nothing at all to do with encryption. This article is completely
irrelevant to the SELinux discussion.

Now, it *could* be relevant to a discussion about openssl, gnutls and
Mozilla NSS, but unless you haven't been paying attention, you'll
notice that all of those projects (and SELinux) have a very heavy
non-US contributor community.

This is pretty much a perfect example of the value of open-source: no
one is going to be able to sneak something into the upstream code.

Please stop spreading FUD and *STOP TURNING OFF SELINUX*.
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Re: Announcing Fedora GPG Key Server - keys.fedoraproject.org

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On 09/02/2013 11:10 PM, Nick Bebout wrote:
 You could also put in ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf: keyserver
 hkp://keys.fedoraproject.org
 

Might be worth opening a BZ against the gnupg2 package to have this
made the default for the Fedora package.

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Re: unprivileged users can update the system !

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On 08/27/2013 01:14 PM, Jehan Procaccia wrote:
 I am using Fedora19 on hundred of stations for students, to my
 surprise I noticed that anyone connected locally can update all
 packages of the station ! the thing is that when the user connect
 to the station, there's a notifcation that pops-up saying that
 there are updates available accepting to proceed leeds to an update
 of all the station packages ;-( apparently cliking on the
 notification start gpk-update-viewer (seen that with ps auwx) if
 the student tries to issue a yum update on the cli, then he is 
 refused You need to be root to perform this command.
 
 we need to maintain an homogenous state of update on all station,
 how can I prevent users from update stations themself ? Thanks.
 

The policy should be that only members of the wheel group should be
able to do that. Please file a bug in Bugzilla if you see otherwise
(file it against PackageKit).
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Re: Twitter for Thunderbird or Linux in general

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On 08/20/2013 03:42 AM, Martin S wrote:
 After the recent changes to Twitter API half of the Linux
 twitter clients died horribly (can't log in) as they don't seem to
 support the 1.1 API. I wouldn't normally bother but our
 organisation has been strongly encouraged to monitor twitter so
 we can act on stuff posted there. Any suggestions of some piece of
 software for either Thunderbird or Linux in general?
 

If you happen to be using the KDE desktop, there's a pretty nice
desktop widget for monitoring Twitter.

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Re: passwd by root for user fails with sssd,pam, ldap

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On 07/23/2013 01:20 AM, Gordon Messmer wrote:
 On 07/22/2013 02:18 PM, Augustin Wolf wrote:
 Okay, it isn't safe to store root password in a file. By all my 
 administrator heart I agree. But I don't see why you have to
 store it in a plain text file. Could you please expand on that?
 
 Because that's how LDAP works.  In order to change a password, 
 generally, you need to connect and authenticate as an admin or
 connect and authenticate as the user whose password will be
 changed.
 
 That means that either you need the admin's DN and plain-text
 password in a file (like the older PAM LDAP does) or you need the
 user to enter their own password (like both sssd and PAM LDAP do).
 


The LDAP protocol requires that the bind username and password be sent
in plaintext across the wire. (This is also why SSSD doesn't allow
LDAP auth without an encrypted tunnel, because the protocol is unsafe
otherwise). So you could store it in an obfuscated form on the disk,
but it has to be a reversible encryption with the key readily
available on the machine. This basically moves you from plaintext
password to hidden plaintext password easily readable by a
script-kiddy. Not much improvement.



 You can point what user is SSSD using, by customizing
 ldap_default_bind_dn, there's also password for LDAP Manager in
 ldap_default_authtok - as far as I understand this is the user
 that is performing all the actions via LDAP server.
 
 It's used for searches, generally when your directory doesn't
 allow anonymous searches.
 

Yes, this is setting up the bind account for SSSD itself to look up
users, groups, etc. It doesn't perform ANY write operations back to
LDAP at all. The only time SSSD ever modifies the LDAP server is
during a password change operation, and then it's done only with the
credentials of the user changing their password.


 It does work when I'm changing password as a user using passwd,
 right?
 
 It consists of connecting to the LDAP server with the password
 given by the user.  It can't work for an administrator because
 there's no password to give to the directory.
 

When you're a user running 'passwd', your user is prompted for his or
her current password and that is used to bind to LDAP. It does *not*
use the ldap_default_bind_dn here. Your user traditionally has
privilege to change their own password.


 Btw. plain-text passwords: There's option ldap_sasl_authid,
 that from what It seems is using Kerberos keytab (which is
 encrypted). (Unfortunately using it in my case it didn't help at
 all.)
 
 I believe that's used for searches as well.
 

Yeah, this is essentially the SASL variant of ldap_default_bind_dn and
ldap_default_authtok. It has all of the same limitations on its
privileges that they do.


 There are also other plain text password vulnerabilities: 
 [root@ldap ~]# grep bindpw /etc/* /etc/nslcd.conf:bindpw
 somesecretpass /etc/pam_ldap.conf:bindpw somesecretpass 
 /etc/sudo-ldap.conf:bindpw somesecretpass and: /etc/ldap.secret
 
 None of those are provided by sssd.  The developers who wrote the 
 software which uses those files don't share the same concerns that
 the sssd developers have.
 


And even in those situations, most of those are still read-only and
designed just to bypass limitations of anonymous bind. Well-designed
LDAP servers provide minimal information to anonymous logins, so in
order to really see useful information you need to have a real user
(or machine user).


 By the way: Stephen Gallagher is one of the sssd developers, so
 you should probably take his word when he tells you what sssd does
 and doesn't do.
 

I advise people never to take me without a grain of salt. Keeps me
honest :)


 Despite it - having logged in to root account gives full control
 over system. One can change rootpw in /etc/openldap/slapd.conf
 (or olc* directory style config) and change users password using
 ldappasswd using admin DN and skipping ACL.
 
 ...which is what Stephen suggested that you do.  LDAP is a network 
 service, and as such the root user has not special privileges.
 root's privileges are more or less limited to the filesystem.
 

Actually, you don't even need to set rootpw there, because the
'ldappasswd' command will always prompt you for the password for the
rootdn when you're attempting to change a different user's password.
This is fine and acceptable, because you are being *challenged* and
have to prove that you really are the LDAP admin user. The fact that
you happen to be root on one machine connected to LDAP is *not*
sufficient to prove that you have privilege to change other users'
passwords. That would be a security hole, since anyone who gained root
access to one of the machines would be able to change the password of
any other user (possibly as part of a complex attack to gain access to
a highly-privileged user).

So this is why I recommend the user of ldappasswd if you want to reset
another user's password (side note: you

Re: passwd by root for user fails with sssd,pam, ldap

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On 07/20/2013 08:43 AM, Augustin Wolf wrote:
 On 20 July 2013 10:52, William Brown will...@firstyear.id.au
 wrote:
 For now, LDAP ACL was turned off - every user has manage
 permission,
 Each user will have permission on their own ldap object they bind
 to, to change their passwords. Root may not be able to bind to
 ldap, or roots object doesn't have the acl to modify the password
 attr on the user's object.
 It is not entirely true. With ACL as above, or commonly used ACL: 
 to userPassword by self write by * auth it is true, but users tend
 to forgot their passwords, and You don't have to give them write
 permission to yserPassword attribute. Now there need to be some
 other way for administrator to reset users passwords. Command
 passwd is most common, and doesn't require admin to remember user
 DN.
 What ldap server are you using? You may consider contacting thier
 mailing lists for help. [root@ldap ~]# cat
 /etc/openldap/ldap.conf |grep -ve ^#|grep -ve ^$
 Configs, logs, etc are in here: http://fpaste.org/26708/
 it is openldap. thanks, I will.
 Sincerely, William
 Thanks for reply
 


This is intentional behavior. SSSD is designed not to allow root on
the local system to change the passwords of the centrally-managed
users. The reason for this is that we would have to store credentials
for an LDAP administrator on the system somewhere in plaintext, which
would mean that a rogue admin or attacker could easily gain access to
an administrator account.

If you need to admin reset an LDAP user's password, it's much wiser to
use ldappasswd instead, because this will force you to present admin
credentials (of course, if you're storing the password in
/etc/openldap/ldap.conf, you're vulnerable to the same local attack
compromising your infrastructure).
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Re: F19 github and passwords

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On 07/11/2013 02:07 PM, Frank Murphy wrote:
 In a terminal I do git push https://my/repo master
 
 A OpenSSH popup keeps asking me for user and password.
 /usr/lib/~/gnome-ask-password
 
 How can I get it just to memorize my password, have added ssh key
 to github account.
 
 have added *github.com to ~/.ssh/config along with
 identityfile=id_mysshkey
 

Have you tried:
ssh-add ~/.ssh/id_mysshkey
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Re: Apple iTunes in Fedora

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On 07/03/2013 02:53 AM, Thomas Tobian wrote:
 Hi Guys,
 
 Any idea to install Apple iTunes in Fedora? Thank you for the
 tips,
 


It would help to know which features about it you want. If you just
want to sync music with an iPod, you might try just installing Rhythmbox.

If you need to play DRM-encumbered audio from their music store,
that's a different problem.

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Re: F19 : what happened to gnome-panel?

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On 07/03/2013 09:10 AM, Jouk Jansen wrote:
 Hi All,
 
 I just tried to upgrade from F18 - F19 (using fedup). After the
 upgrade I seem to have lost gnome-panel. It does not work anymore
 and no package of that name can be found. For me GNOME3 is only
 workable because I have access to the old panel which works at
 least as 10 times as efficient (in number of mouse 
 movements/clicks) as the new animated way. Is there any chance
 that gnome-panel gets back?

I wrote a blog post series on GNOME Classic a while back, but you may
find the final entry most interesting:

http://sgallagh.wordpress.com/2013/06/27/one-week-with-gnome-3-classic-twenty-eight-days-later/

I recommend a series of GNOME 3 extensions that can restore much of
the old fallback workflow while retaining the advantages that GNOME
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Re: R: Re: F19: after upgrading I cant't login from gdm

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On 07/03/2013 10:27 AM, antonio montagnani wrote:
 Andre Robatino ha scritto / said the followingil giorno/on 
 03/07/2013 11:46:
 antonio.montagnani at alice.it antonio.montagnani at
 alice.it writes:
 
 that means that I have to install also Xcfe and/or kde. Do you
 think that
 this could solve also the issue of Authentication failure when 
 password is required inside a pop-window.Could I run Gnome in
 fallback mode as in F18??
 
 You don't have to install a new desktop, just the display
 manager, which will let you log into any desktop. For example
 
 yum install lightdm system-switch-displaymanager
 
 system-switch-displaymanager lightdm
 
 and then to see the new DM, you can either reboot, or run
 systemctl stop gdm and systemctl start lightdm in a VT to get
 it without rebooting.
 
 
 
 
 now I can log in, still I have the Authentication failure on
 password request when Gnome is running...


Log in as root on a virtual terminal (ctrl-alt-f2) and check
/var/log/secure for errors and tell us what it says.
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Re: fedup f18-f19 going OK?

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On 07/02/2013 09:02 AM, Neal Becker wrote:
 I'm about to try fedup f18-f19.  Any reports good/bad on this
 route?
 

I'm mostly hearing good things at this point. A few people are
reporting that the final reboot at the end sometimes hangs[1], but
manually rebooting the system ends up in a workable state, so it's
survivable.


[1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=957783
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Re: UID instead of users name in a mounted samba share

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On 07/01/2013 05:07 PM, antonio montagnani wrote:
 This morning at office I was listing files in a terminal inside a
 samba share from my networked server and surprise folder was
 identified inside run/user/1000/gvfs instead of
 run/user/antonio/gvfs (of course antonio has UID 1000). Is it
 correct???

Why would it not be? The purpose of /run/user/UID here is to avoid the
kernel needing to do a username lookup to locate the directory when it
already has the UID (which is all it really needs to perform the
mapping operations).

As long as the UID matches up, what's the problem?
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Re: fedup from beta

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On 06/03/2013 04:32 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:

 Hi Kevin:
 
 I'm not sure that if my question was presented clearly enough; I am
 on F19 beta; I was asking for when we complete the release and
 upgrade to it: how does one upgrade from F19 pre-release to F19. I
 am just asking in order to be prepared, or avoid panicking - not
 that I haven't panicked in the past for small moments - seconds -
 at a time, just that panicking is not so comfortable, given that
 it's part of life.
 

If you're on the beta, then the standard update mechanism will pull
you into the final when it's ready. Just do updates from the stable
repository. You may want to manually disable the updates-testing repo
if you still have that enabled.

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Re: A Software Center for Fedora?

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On 05/17/2013 09:45 PM, Anthony wrote:
 One of the things I really like about Ubuntu is the concept behind
 the software center. Canonical has poorly implemented it but the
 idea behind it is pretty solid.
 
 That got me wondering...why doesn't Fedora have a similar product? 
 Yes, I'm aware of Yum Extender but that's not a 'proper' software 
 store. I mean a full fledged store, complete with backend
 processing and tracking.
 
 Perhaps this is something that would be better for the dev list but
 I thought I'd float it here before going there just to see the
 general feel of the community.
 
 Thoughts?
 
 Thanks, Anthony Papillion
 

There are some very interesting ideas in this thread that are probably
worth having a session on at Flock. I've added a workshop proposal to
http://flock-lmacken.rhcloud.com/proposals (as a proxy; I'm not
necessarily the right person to run that discussion, but maybe to
moderate it).

If this is an interesting topic to you, please try to make it to Flock!

http://www.flocktofedora.org/
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Re: AD authentication

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On 01/30/2013 04:36 PM, arag...@dcsnow.com wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I've just setup a pair of Fedora 18 boxes that I could use some
 help with getting them to join the active directory domain we have
 at work (2008 I think).  What I would like is for users in a
 particular group in AD be allowed to log into the Fedora 18 boxes
 without me having to create accounts (and manage passwords) on the
 Fedora boxes.  Is that possible?
 

I'd suggest taking a look at realmd, which will help you enroll your
Fedora 18 systems into the Active Directory domain.

http://www.freedesktop.org/software/realmd/docs/

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Re: Eclipse + Egit + Github == Failed authentication

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Thu 20 Dec 2012 01:14:50 AM EST, Dave Quigley wrote:

I'm trying to get Eclipse working with Github on F17 and I've been
following a tutorial and I keep getting this error.

ssh://g...@github.com:22:
org.eclipse.jgit.transport.CredentialItem$StringType:Passphrase for
/home/dpquigl/.ssh/github


I tried adding the passphrase for the github key with ssh-add but it
doesn't seem to be working. Does anyone have any idea how I can get
the passphrase into egit so that I can put to the remote github repo?

Dave


http://wiki.eclipse.org/EGit/User_Guide/Remote#Eclipse_SSH_Configuration
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Re: Games on Linux

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Wed 24 Oct 2012 02:11:29 PM EDT, Junayeed Ahnaf wrote:

Many people say that the biggest holdup in Linux gaming is graphics
system. But if there are plethora of games for OS X (which is UNIX and
uses Open GL) then why there just isn't enough games for Linux?


Sound? Different DE?




http://steamforlinux.com/

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Re: Have I got an AT hangover?

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Tue 23 Oct 2012 10:03:28 AM EDT, Joe Feely wrote:

Hi,

Videos (e.g. 350MB avi file of 40 minutes playback) don't play properly,
goes out of sync, momentary stops (they play ok on laptop, so not
corrupted).
The problem seems to have started after I enabled some assistive
technology, which nearly paralysed the performance of the computer.
After disabling and deleting the assistive stuff (su -c yum remove
at-spi*) the computer is still performing somewhat poorly, not being
able to do as much stuff as before and being generally much slower
(notably when opening multiple web pages, e.g. several weather reports,
about 10 tabs).

I assumed that there could be something that is still kicking in and
slowing the system down.

Sorry to be so vague, but I don't recall any better what I did.
I'm running Fedora 16, GNOME 3.2.1 is installed but I use XFCE, Kernel
Linux 3.4.11-1.fc16.i686.PAE, RAM 1.2GB, Processor Intel Celeron CPU
2.4GHz, Available disk space 84GB.
My computer is about 7 years old.

I could reinstall the system, and I'm confident that would remove this
problem, but I would much prefer to find the problem, and fix it.

I have looked at some top output, but don't notice anything relevant (if
anyone wants to see any of such, let me know what to do to get useful
output).

Any suggestions where I could start or what to look for would be welcome.



Try checking /etc/yum.log to see what else was pulled in at the same 
time as the at-spi* pieces. Possibly one of its dependencies with 
another name is hanging around causing you problems.

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Re: sssd died after boot

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Mon, 2012-07-23 at 18:10 +0200, Tiziana Manfroni wrote:
 Hi, I have a host with RHEL6.3.
 After boot sssd  crash and in /var/log/sssd/sssd.log
 (Mon Jul 23 17:56:56 2012) [sssd] [monitor_quit] (0x0010): Monitor received 
 Terminated: terminating children
 (Mon Jul 23 17:58:54 2012) [sssd] [mt_svc_exit_handler] (0x0010): Process 
 [nss], definitely stopped!
 
 If I run init script on command line sssd starts, but sometimes it dies also. 
 Do you have any idea?
 

More information is required. Please add
debug_level = 7 

to the [sssd], [nss] and [domain/labinfomat] sections, restart SSSD and
then look at the /var/log/sssd/* logs


 my /etc/sssd/sssd/conf:
 [domain/labinfomat]
 
 cache_credentials = True
 krb5_store_password_if_offline = True
 ipa_domain = labinfomat
 id_provider = ipa
 auth_provider = ipa
 access_provider = ipa
 chpass_provider = ipa
 ipa_dyndns_update = True
 ipa_server = _srv_, archimede.labinfomat
 ldap_tls_cacert = /etc/ipa/ca.crt
 [sssd]
 services = nss, pam, ssh
 config_file_version = 2
 
 domains = labinfomat
 [nss]
 
 
 [pam]
 
 [sudo]
 
 [autofs]
 
 [ssh]
 
 Thanks in advance
 
   Tiziana
 
 

   / /  \   Tiziana Manfroni
  / / /\ \  Dipartimento di Matematica
 / / /\ \ \ Universita' Roma Tre
/ /_/__\ \ \tel : 0657338237
   /\ \ \   fax : 0657338080
   .___\/ e-mail : manfr...@mat.uniroma3.it
 



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Re: OT: mozilla quits thunderbird need recommendations

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Sat, 2012-07-07 at 19:17 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
 On Sat, Jul 07, 2012 at 16:36:09 -0700,
Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote:
 On 07/07/2012 04:22 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
 Since the standalone calendar client (sunbird) went away, thunderbird
 with the lightning extension seems to be one of the few choices for
 calendar clients.
 
 For the most part, I use GdeskCal for a desktop calendar and for 
 reminders.  There are a few things it doesn't do, such as remind me 
 on the third Wednesday of every month, so I use the ReminderFox 
 extension to T'bird for those.
 
 I need to be able to pull together remote calendars using caldav and ical. 
  From what I have found on gDeskCal in a quick search, suggests it doesn't 
 handle remote calendars at all.

Evolution 3.x does a pretty decent job of aggregating calendars from
different sources. As an email client, it's pretty run-of-the-mill, but
it usually gets the job done.


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Re: bug on fedora 17: login screen doesn't show up

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Thu, 2012-06-07 at 00:06 +0800, Fajrian Yunus wrote:
 bingo, i think you are right
 
 when i started my computer with 1 monitor only, things work well.
 
 when i started my computer with both monitors, the following things
 happen:
 1. at 1 screen, i can see the fireworks background image without the
 login box
 2. at the other screen, i see faintly blinking black screen (dark gray
 actually, but that's probably just because the monitor is cheap old
 monitor)
 
 where can i log this bug?

File it at bugzilla.redhat.com. I suspect it's actually either a kernel
or video driver issue, so make sure to include complete information
about your hardware (the easiest way to do this is to run smolt[1]).

[1] Run 
yum install smolt-gui
smoltGui

Send the profile and attach the link it gives you to the BZ.


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Re: bug on fedora 17: login screen doesn't show up

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Wed, 2012-06-06 at 22:24 +0800, Fajrian Yunus wrote:
 hi all,
 
 asking for help. whenever i start my computer, by the time i
 (supposedly) reach the login screen, i'm only shown the background
 image, WITHOUT the login box. i can see the background image
 (fireworks image), i can see my mouse cursor, and i can move my mouse
 around. but the login box is nowhere to be found. HOWEVER, if i make
 my computer sleep, then turn it on again, immediately the login box
 shows up and i can login without problem. i reinstalled my fedora 17,
 it's still like this. interestingly, when i install my fedora 17 as
 virtual machine (i use kvm), the problem doesn't show up at all.
 
 any help is appreciated.
 
 thank you :D


That kind of sounds like your computer is starting up believing that
there are two monitors attached (and that login should be happening on
the *other* one), but sleep and wake properly resets the detection.

I could be completely wrong, of course, but seeing the login background
without the prompt is what happens to me when I boot my laptop attached
to the monitor but forget to have the monitor tuned to the right
input :)


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Re: evil calibre?

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Fri, 2012-05-11 at 14:11 +0200, Andras Simon wrote:
 Isn't there an unwritten law prohibiting document viewers changing the
 documents they open?
 
 If there is, ebook-viewer, part of calibre, doesn't respect it:
 
 diff -r m/META-INF/calibre_bookmarks.txt m1/META-INF/calibre_bookmarks.txt
 1c1
  calibre_current_page_bookmark^7# *:eq(0)   *:eq(1)   *:eq(0)  
 *:eq(4)   *:eq(6) |0.19047619047619047
 ---
  calibre_current_page_bookmark^15# *:eq(0)   *:eq(1)   *:eq(0)   *:eq(8)  
   *:eq(43) |0.36197917
 
 The directories that I compared contain unzipped versions of the same
 epub file before and after an invocation of ebook-viewer. Probably
 calibre_bookmarks.txt was put in the epub file by ebok-viewer in the
 first place.
 
 Now one could say, that this is harmless, because it doesn't change
 the way the epub file will appear in any reader. But it changes
 filesize and timestamp, enough to make backup  software notice.
 
 Hopefully, unchecking the Remember the current page when quitting in
 the Preferences is a workaround, but even then, it's just a
 workaround. ebook-viewer is welcome to have its own little database of
 bookmarks, but shouldn't annotate my books.


This would best be reported to Calibre's upstream bug tracker:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/calibre


They're a very responsive upstream, so I imagine you'll get a prompt
answer.


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Re: Problem with Yum to upgrade Fedora 17.

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Fri, 2012-04-20 at 13:42 -0300, Davi Garcia wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 Thanks for all feedback! Sorry about post question to the wrong list
 and about my poor problem description. Let me try explain better:
 
 I never decided to install Samba or Samba4 in my workstation, these
 packages were installed by default. I know that I'm using F17 that is
 still in beta, but I didn't know that alpha packages were being pushed
 to that repository. My problem is basically that Yum is not able to
 upgrade my system without use --skip-broken.
 
 Since Ed Greshko confirmed that is a known issue, I'll wait the fix.
 What is very confusing is why do we have alpha packages in a beta
 repo?
 
 Again, sorry about any inconvenience.


Yes, the problem here is that some samba4 packages were pushed to
updates-testing that are marked as Obsoleting or otherwise replacing
their samba 3.x counterpart. This is bad, and anyone hitting this issue
should be adding negative karma to the update (as I am about to do).


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Re: Problem with Yum to upgrade Fedora 17.

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Fri, 2012-04-20 at 15:34 -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
 On Fri, 2012-04-20 at 13:42 -0300, Davi Garcia wrote:
  Hi all,
  
  Thanks for all feedback! Sorry about post question to the wrong list
  and about my poor problem description. Let me try explain better:
  
  I never decided to install Samba or Samba4 in my workstation, these
  packages were installed by default. I know that I'm using F17 that is
  still in beta, but I didn't know that alpha packages were being pushed
  to that repository. My problem is basically that Yum is not able to
  upgrade my system without use --skip-broken.
  
  Since Ed Greshko confirmed that is a known issue, I'll wait the fix.
  What is very confusing is why do we have alpha packages in a beta
  repo?
  
  Again, sorry about any inconvenience.
 
 
 Yes, the problem here is that some samba4 packages were pushed to
 updates-testing that are marked as Obsoleting or otherwise replacing
 their samba 3.x counterpart. This is bad, and anyone hitting this issue
 should be adding negative karma to the update (as I am about to do).

Replying to myself, I see that a fixed package is already built and is
pending the next push to the updates-testing repository.

Relevant BZ: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=814451



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Re: anyway to log ext4 disk access ?

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Sun, 2012-03-11 at 22:59 +, Aaron Gray wrote:
 Hi,
 
 
 I am wondering if there is anyway to log whats gong on on a ext4
 disk ?


It's worth pointing out that, unless you have a second disk or partition
to log on, your logs will themselves be triggering logging events :)




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Re: adios flash, watch youtube videos in html5

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Tue, 2012-01-31 at 19:14 -0600, Dave Ulrick wrote:
 I successfully played two YouTube videos via HTML5 using Firefox 9.0.1. 
 They both played through all the way with no noticable glitches but I did 
 notice that full-screen mode made the video take over only the whole of 
 the Firefox browser window rather than the entire screen.
 

For what it's worth, support for getting true full-screen was just added
as a major feature of Firefox 10 (released today). In a few days, that
will filter out to updates-testing, I'm sure.



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Re: Where's the alternative status menu

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Tue, 2012-01-24 at 21:15 -0500, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
 Is it just me, or has the alternative status menu Gnome extension has been  
 broken for at least several months now. The shutdown option is nowhere to be  
 found on any machine I have the Gnome desktop running and the extension  
 installed.
 

Remove the package from your system and instead browse to
extensions.gnome.org and enable it there. This allows individual
desktops to enable extensions on their own, rather than requiring them
for all users. (Though I do feel it would be nice to have the ability to
install some extensions for all users).


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Re: systemd and shutdown

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Mon, 2012-01-23 at 18:33 +0800, Ian Chapman wrote:
 On 01/23/2012 06:28 PM, Frank Murphy wrote:
  On 23/01/12 10:05, Ian Chapman wrote:
 
 
  Thanks I've checked out the bug report and whilst it looks similar, it
  seems to be a different issue. I tried the fix in the report anyway just
  to see but it made no difference. I've since tracked it down to the
  service ipa.service. If this is started the system doesn't shutdown. If
  I stop the service manually then the system shuts down fine, so it looks
  like it might be a service dependency issue but I'm at a loss as to how
  I can tell.
 
 
  Search bugzilla for ipa.service, if none create a bz.
 
 Thanks, I already have. For reference:
 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=783943
 
 -- 
 Ian Chapman.

tl;dr FreeIPA is aware of it and working on it.

Yeah, something changed in the way the 389 DS systemd script works and
it's interfering unpleasantly with FreeIPA (which has systemd scripts
that wrap it). The full development discussion is available here:

https://www.redhat.com/archives/freeipa-devel/2012-January/msg00223.html




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Re: Xorg security (big) issue

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 00:56 +0200, kalinix wrote:
 Just found an article about bypassing any screen locker on latest X Org
 server.
 
 http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2012/q1/200
 
 F15 has 1.10.4-1 but from what I see, F16 has 1.11.1-1 (with latest
 update 11.11.3-1)
 
 Can anyone confirm whether the issue is present on F16?


https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=CVE-2012-0064


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Re: Can I install a 64-bit kernel on a F16 32-bit system

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Fri, 2012-01-06 at 01:38 -0500, bruce wrote:
 are you saying you want a 32 bit and a  64 bit os to run side by side,
 ie to boot in one, and then the other, with different partitions?
 
 or are you asking to run a mix of 32/64 apps?
 
 can you clarify what you're looking to accomplish?

It sounds like what he's asking is whether he can install the 64-bit
kernel, but use only 32-bit userland apps (so the kernel is always
running in 32-bit compatibility mode).

My answer would be: This will probably work, but it's likely not going
to gain you anything that the 32-bit kernel with PAE cannot do.


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Re: Can I install a 64-bit kernel on a F16 32-bit system

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Fri, 2012-01-06 at 14:23 +, Frank Murphy wrote:
 On 06/01/12 13:40, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
 
 
  My answer would be: This will probably work, but it's likely not going
  to gain you anything that the 32-bit kernel with PAE cannot do.
 
 
 Would that depend on whether 4+ mb of ram?


PAE kernels can access up to 64GB of memory, though any individual
process can see only 2GB (IIRC).

But even in the original described approach (32-bit apps on 64-bit
kernel), because the apps are 32-bit, that will only be able to address
2GB anyway. If you have apps that need access to more RAM than that, you
should be running 64-bit apps, not 32-bit.


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Re: f16 - locked out again

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Fri, 2012-01-06 at 11:44 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
 This happens once in a while, but this is the 2nd time this week, though 
 the symtoms were different.
 
 The latest occurance, I locked the screen ctl-alt-l and came back 
 later to use the system.  I hit an arrow key which normally brings up 
 the password dialog box and even before the box showed up I started 
 typing in my password.  This normailly works fine and opens up to the 
 workspace I was last on.
 
 This time nothing happened.  There was a flash across the screen like 
 the dialog box coming up, but the screen stayed black other than the 
 portion of the top panel that normally shows when the screen is locked.  
 I was able to ctl-alt-F2 to another console and back.  I tried 
 alt-F1 then 'r' and saw the spindizzy but nothing after that.  In the 
 end, I rebooted by logging into the F2 console.  Perhaps I should have 
 done a tail on messages first?
 
 Various things have happened over the past month on f16 with gnome 3.  
 Not coming out of suspend and having to ppull all power for a hard boot 
 recovery (AC and battery).  Gnome locking on me with no keyboard or 
 mouse clicks, though the mouse will mouse around.
 
 So it is still unstable for me.
 
 Advise on trouble shooting?

Are you using local accounts or are you using LDAP? If you're using SSSD
for user accounts, it's not impossible that it could have crashed, which
occasionally results in behavior like what you're describing.

 
 Oh, and to the point of pulling the battery to get to a hard boot 
 state.   My brother-in-law was talking about his recent purchase of 
 a notebook with a sealed battery; ie he cannot remove it.  His question 
 was on which kind of warranty to get.  But now my question is:  does 
 anyone have a notebook with a sealed battery and if so, how do they 
 recover when nothing works?  When you cannot switch to another console 
 and the power button does nothing?  How do you force a boot if you can't 
 pull all power?

Pretty much every laptop made in the last ten years will shut down hard
if you just hold the power button long enough (5-10s).


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Re: Can I list all users defined in LDAP (on RHEL6 or Fedora) ?

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 13:51 +0100, Pavel Lisy wrote:
 Stephen Gallagher píše v St 04. 01. 2012 v 07:31 -0500:
  On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 12:03 +0100, Pavel Lisy wrote:
   Stephen Gallagher píše v Út 03. 01. 2012 v 16:10 -0500:
On Tue, 2012-01-03 at 15:51 -0500, Peter Larsen wrote:
 Pavel,
 Are you sure the LDAP server allows listing all users? It's quite 
 normal
 to turn that off.

By default, SSSD doesn't allow listing all users/groups because it
presents significant load on the server. You can enable it by adding
'enumerate = True' to the [domain/default] section
of /etc/sssd/sssd.conf and then restarting SSSD (with 'service sssd
restart')
   It was it thanks a lot. My LDAP DB is not big so performance is not 
   problem.
   
In general, you probably want to review what your scripts are doing and
see if you can't make them more efficient by using specific lookups.
   
   I use it to get list of all active users to create homedirs and ssh keys
   for them (for example). It is much simpler to use shell utils than write
   perl script to connect to LDAP directly.
   
   Is it possible to set sssd to list only active users - set custom
   filter? Now it lists all users (inactive include samba/computer
   accounts)
   
   I use this filter in /etc/ldap.conf now:
   nss_base_passwd   ou=People,dc=company,dc=org?one?|(sambaAcctFlags=[UX])
   
   I've found only this:
   access_provider = ldap
   ldap_access_filter = sambaAcctFlags=[UX]
   
   but it doesn't change list of 
   getent passwd
   
   Any idea how to solve it?
  
  
  We just added this feature in SSSD 1.7.0 (which I'm going to be putting
  in updates-testing for F16 today). You'll be able to do:
  
  ldap_user_search_base =
  ou=People,dc=company,dc=org?one?(sambaAcctFlags=[UX])
  
  ldap_group_search_base =
  ou=Groups,dc=company,dc=org?one?|(sambaAcctFlags=[UX])
 
 Excelent! 
 
 I've just found in (fedora) documentation that it is possible 
 filter it by:
 ldap_user_search_filter = (sambaAcctFlags=[UX]
 
 It works in sssd-1.6.3 (my F16).
 
 But I've tried it (and need it too) in RHEL6/CentOS6 and there is older
 version sssd-1.5.1-66 which doesn't support this feature yet. 
 
 Do you think you/they will increase version of sssd in next RHEL update
 (6.3)? 
 I suppose not. So I'll need to disable sssd and use nss-pam-ldapd
 instead.


The plan for RHEL 6.3 is to rebase SSSD to 1.8.0


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Re: FreeIPA Fedora 16

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Mon, 2012-01-02 at 22:40 +0800, Ian Chapman wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Is anybody using Fedora 16 clients with FreeIPA? I can successfully set 
 up clients using ipa-client-install, I see the users and can log in etc, 
 however every client machine fails to shut down after being configured 
 as a client. They basically hang indefinitely with the progress bar 
 almost complete. Pressing escape reveals nothing but a black screen.

Hmm, that's interesting. If it's only happening once the ipa client
install is done, then it's probably an SSSD issue. The SSSD waits at
shutdown if it's in the middle of a transaction commit, so that no data
is lost from the cache. It's possible that it's stuck in a loop
somewhere such that it's not exiting.

Do you have any way of identifying which applications are still running
at that point?


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Re: Can I list all users defined in LDAP (on RHEL6 or Fedora) ?

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Tue, 2012-01-03 at 15:51 -0500, Peter Larsen wrote:
 Pavel,
 Are you sure the LDAP server allows listing all users? It's quite normal
 to turn that off.

By default, SSSD doesn't allow listing all users/groups because it
presents significant load on the server. You can enable it by adding
'enumerate = True' to the [domain/default] section
of /etc/sssd/sssd.conf and then restarting SSSD (with 'service sssd
restart')

It may take several minutes before the results are viewable as SSSD
retrieves them all and caches them, depending on the size of your LDAP
server. (After the initial caching period, the lookups will be fast)


In general, you probably want to review what your scripts are doing and
see if you can't make them more efficient by using specific lookups.


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Re: Is there a Linux file-safe for Fedora's home file..?

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Mon, 2011-12-12 at 20:13 -0800, Peter Gordon wrote:
 On Mon, 2011-12-12 at 19:10 -0800, Linda McLeod wrote:
  Is there a super secure way to lock Home File with an encrypted
  password..?
  
  Is there anything in Linux that locks a file behind a tier or key of
  passwords..?
 
 One thing that comes to mind is to keep the entire /home directory on a
 LUKS-encrypted partition or similar. (In fact, the past few Fedora
 releases have made this relatively simple: just enable the Encrypt
 option for that partition in the installation screen.)

This works if you have a single-user system, but it's not great if you
have a shared machine. I think he's asking for a file vault of some sort
where you can maintain your own home directory as encrypted separate
from the whole filesystem.

I'm not currently aware of any such mechanism in Fedora, but I'd be
interested to find out if I'm wrong.


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Re: question re: multi-head gnome3

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Mon, 2011-12-12 at 11:45 -0600, Thomas Cameron wrote:
 On 12/12/2011 10:36 AM, Mike Wohlgemuth wrote:
  On 12/12/2011 11:33 AM, Thomas Cameron wrote:
  How do I do multi-desktop on both the left and right screens??? I
  need to be able to run an app that spans desktops but I want to
  do it on multiple desktops!
  
  I haven't tried it, but does this work?
  
  http://gregcor.com/2011/05/07/fix-dual-monitors-in-gnome-3-aka-my-workspaces-are-broken/
 
 That
  
 gave me what I want, thanks!
 
 TC

Just a warning: that mode is very buggy. I tried it for a while and when
I reported various issues to the GNOME developers (directly, not in BZ),
I was told that they have no plans to support anything other than the
default Only one monitor gets workspaces approach.


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Re: Why is PackageKit needed for abrt?

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Mon, 2011-12-12 at 12:36 -0800, Steven I Usdansky wrote:
 It appears that upgrading abrt in F16 from 2.0.6-1 to 2.0.7-2 is going
 to require installation of PackageKit, which I long ago purged from my
 system. Just wondering, why the additional requirement?
 

ABRT will pull down debuginfo packages when you file a bug so the
backtrace is usable. So it needs to have PackageKit around to handle
acquiring those packages.


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Re: Is it save to mount / with noatime?

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Wed, 2011-10-19 at 10:43 +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
 On Wed, 19 Oct 2011 10:55:28 +0200
 Clemens Eisserer linuxhi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Hi,
  
  Is it save to mount / with the noatime flag, or are there still
  packages which depend on an accurate access time?
 
 Current kernels support a much better algorithm anyway. Look up 'relatime'
 

relatime isn't much of a help though if you're looking to reduce writes
on a solid-state disk. I'm not sure if that was the original intent of
the question, but I think it's certainly worth answering.

I've been using noatime for a while with no obvious ill effects, but
your mileage may vary.


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Re: upgrading fedora 11 to the latest version of fedora

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 18:15 +0300, Marek Piatek wrote:
 Hi guys,
 
 I have been given a workstation with Fedora 11 (Leonidas) installed by
 our IT team. I'm running web-based tool on it, purely Perl based. I
 have also data there that I would like to keep while upgrading to
 Fedora 15 (or maybe wait a ~month longer and upgrade it directly to
 Fedora 16).
 
 I would like to ask for recommendation on what's the easiest way to
 jump through so many releases?
 

Back up your data and install cleanly.

Fedora only supports upgrades from Fedora N-1 to Fedora N. So you'd need
to upgrade through 12, 13 and 14 to get to Fedora 15.

Beyond that, there were some pretty substantial changes to the system in
Fedora 15. So realistically, you're much better off just backing up all
of the executable and data files of your web app and just installing
fresh.



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Re: Announcing the release of Fedora 16 Beta!!

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Tue, 2011-10-04 at 16:55 +0200, suvayu ali wrote:
 Hi,
 
 On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Dennis Gilmore den...@ausil.us wrote:
 * System Accounts. Fedora now standardizes on login.defs as
  authority for UID/GID space allocation, and has moved boundary between
  system and user accounts from 500 to 1000 to match conventions
  followed by several other Linux distributions. Upgrading from a
  existing release will not be affected by this change and you can use
  kickstart to override this change during installation if necessary.
 
 
 When one preupgrades to F16 do the old 500+ user ids get converted to
 1000+, or is it expected the user will do this manually? In any case I
 would be interested in knowing how to do this manually.


No user IDs should EVER be altered automatically. This is unsafe,
because it would change file access on the disk (and potentially result
in a system that was inaccessible).

You probably don't want to change this yourself either, but if you
REALLY want to change IDs, you would need to use /usr/sbin/usermod to
change the user's ID, then you would want to run a complicated 'find'
command starting at the root of the filesystem to search for any file
owned by the old UID and chown it. Then you'd have to repeat this for
every user and every group. And then if you have data stored on
removable disks or network shares, you need to handle those too...

DO NOT DO THIS! It's only going to cause you problems.


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Re: GNOME 3.2 released!

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Wed, 2011-09-28 at 16:01 -0300, Leonardo wrote:
 http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/3.2/
 
 so is there any chance to see this release in F15?

No, Fedora does not do major GUI changes in stable releases.

However, you may have noticed that Fedora releases are coordinated with
Gnome releases. Fedora 16 will ship with Gnome 3.2. If you're
interested, the Fedora 16 beta is currently scheduled to be released
Oct. 04 (assuming that it gets the green-light at today's Go/No-Go
meeting).

If you're really, really anxious, you could try the release candidate
images for the Fedora 16 beta:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Installation_Test



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Re: evolution hack?

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Thu, 2011-09-15 at 08:21 -0700, Randolph Jones wrote:
 fc 14, evolution 2.32.0
 
 my inbox has suddenly started showing the same piece of mail regardless
 of which message I try to open.
 the message line appears ok, but when i click to open it I get the same
 piece of junk mail. this applies to all but the last message i received.
 
 i recently rolled back fc15 to fc14 because I did not like the absence
 of familiar tools. I had migrated evolution to fc15, and since I
 reinstalled fc14 I have had very slow loading of evolution.
 
 Any idea what is wrong?


I've seen this bug appear every once in a while too. If you look at
'top', you'll see Evolution using 100% CPU as well.

Just resize the preview window. Evolution is getting stuck in a loop
trying to decide if it needs to display the scroll bar or not.

I can't find the BZ number offhand, unfortunately.


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Re: Putting Fedora in a SPARC machine

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Tue, 2011-08-30 at 08:26 -0400, j.e.aneiros wrote:
 Hi,
 
 
 I'm gonna try to put Fedora in a SPARC machine (sun4v) and I wonder if
 someone in this list has already done that and desire to share
 experiences.
 

The Fedora SPARC project main page is here:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/SPARC

It looks mostly dead (last supported release was F12), but I suspect
you'll get some interest if you want to work towards restarting it.



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Re: Non-native RPM or compile?

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Tue, 2011-08-23 at 19:11 -0500, Lars Eighner wrote:
 I want lifeline (genealogy program). I don't find it packaged for Fedora 15. 
 I do find an OpenSuSE rpm, apparently appropriate for my architecture.
 
 In general, would I be better off using a non-native RPM or compiling it
 myself?


The optimal solution here would be for you to take the OpenSuSE source
RPM, extract it, modify the spec file so that it corresponds to the
Fedora Packaging Guidelines[1] and then submit it for package review[2]
in Fedora. That way others can use this tool as well.

[1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines
[2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/Join


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Re: Kernel upgrades?

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Tue, 2011-08-23 at 08:22 +0200, Christopher Svanefalk wrote:
 On 08/23/2011 12:42 AM, suvayu ali wrote:
  On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 12:30 AM, Christopher Svanefalk
  christopher.svanef...@gmail.com wrote:
  For
  example, would it be possible to use a pre-compiled kernel from Rawhide
  and integrate it into my current system?
  2.6.40 from F15 might be easier. It is 3.0 patched and adapted for F15.
 
 
 Alright, thanks!

Just to provide a more complete answer: the issue with trying to use a
3.x kernel on Fedora 14 (or Fedora 15) is that a large number of
applications and kernel models are designed to expect the 2.x version
number. They fail to parse the 3.x version and will not run properly.
This has mostly been worked out for Fedora 16 packages, but the effort
has not been backported to F14 and F15.

So I'd recommend that what you probably want to do is to take the SRPM
for the 2.6.40.3 kernel from Fedora 15 and rebuild it for F14.


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Re: Gnome3 a discussion about submiting some Requests for Enhancement.

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Mon, 2011-08-15 at 09:52 -0400, William Case wrote:
 3) To make me content, at least for a short while, I would like to be
 able to designate which workspace applications opened in in in the
 startup file.  For example, I do a lot of writing.  When I login or
 re-boot, I would like several programs to start.  I would like Firefox
 to be open in one workspace, evolution and X-chat open in another
 workspace, and all my writing tools -- OOo Writer, dictionary, thesaurus
 and calculator available in another workspace.  I have fancier requests
 for this but they can wait.

For this one at least, you can 'yum install
gnome-shell-extensions-auto-move-windows.noarch' and then follow the
instructions here:
http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Extensions/auto-move-windows



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RE: package (tinyca2) not longer present in F15, what to do about it?

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Mon, 2011-08-08 at 22:42 +0200, j.witvl...@mindef.nl wrote:
 -Original Message- From: users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org
 [mailto:users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org] On Behalf Of Frantisek
 Hanzlik Sent: maandag 1 augustus 2011 03:52 To: Fedora users Subject:
 package (tinyca2) not longer present in F15, what to do about it?
 
 For years before and up to F14 Fedora was contained package 'tinyca2'
 (TinyCA is a graphical tool to manage a small Certification Authority,
 program was in group Applications/Internet). This package is missing in
 F15, Technical Notes not mention nothing about this:
 http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/15/html/Technical_Notes/index.html
 
 I was using it for years and it's IMO usefull program for anyone who
 works with certificates. For now I simple build this package for F15
 from its F14 SRPMS, but it would be better when this package was in
 Fedora distro again.
 
 What I can do for it?


The tinyca2 package was dropped from Fedora 15 because it has been
orphaned for quite some time (meaning that there is no one maintaining
it, making sure it gets updates and security fixes). If you want to take
over the maintenance of this package, please follow the steps outlined
at
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Orphaned_package_that_need_new_maintainers#Claiming_Ownership_of_a_Deprecated_Package

I should note, however, that tinyca2 development appears dead upstream.
It last saw a release on July 25, 2006! So chances are good that it's no
longer safe for inclusion in Fedora. You probably want to give a look at
Dogtag: http://pki.fedoraproject.org/wiki/PKI_Main_Page



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Re: package (tinyca2) not longer present in F15, what to do about it?

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Tue, 2011-08-09 at 08:42 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
 On Tue, 09 Aug 2011 08:10:39 -0400
 Stephen Gallagher wrote:
 
  I should note, however, that tinyca2 development appears dead upstream.
  It last saw a release on July 25, 2006! So chances are good that it's no
  longer safe for inclusion in Fedora.
 
 Or maybe it just does a job, does it well, and needs no frenetic
 change for the sake of change?

I find it very difficult to believe that at no time in the last five
years that no security vulnerabilities could have been identified in a
Certificate Authority.

I certainly wouldn't place my trust in it.


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Re: Problems setting up SSSD to authenticate to Windows 2008 AD

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Mon, 2011-07-18 at 18:34 +0300, Oded Arbel wrote:
 Hi List. First time poster, so I'm doing something wrong please let me
 know.
 
 I'm trying to set up SSSD for a laptop running Fedora 14 to authenticate
 against an Active Directory domain running on a Windows 2008 server. 
 I've followed the instructions in this page:
 https://fedorahosted.org/sssd/wiki/Configuring%20sssd%20to%
 20authenticate%20with%20a%20Windows%202008%20Domain%20Server
 (except the part about anonymous searches - our security policy will not
 allow that), and I still can't get authentication to work.
 
 When I try to log in using ssh to the computer I get this in the sssd
 log file for the AD connection:
 
 [sssd[be[AD]]] [simple_bind_done] (3): Bind result: Success(0), (null)
 [sssd[be[AD]]] [be_run_online_cb] (3): Going online. Running callbacks.
 [sssd[be[AD]]] [sdap_control_create] (3): Server does not support the
 requested control [1.3.6.1.4.1.42.2.27.8.5.1].
 [sssd[be[AD]]] [sdap_get_generic_done] (2): Unexpected result from ldap:
 Operations error(1), : LdapErr: DSID-0C090627, comment: In order
 to perform this operation a successful bind must be completed on the
 connection., data 0, vece
 
 Where the last two lines repeat a lot, though not interchangeably - I
 get a lot more server does not support the requested control then the
 other message.
 
 Looking at /var/log/secure I get this:
 
 sshd[8581]: pam_unix(sshd:auth): authentication failure; logname= uid=0
 euid=0 tty=ssh ruser= rhost=192.168.XXX.XXX  user=oded.a
 sshd[8581]: pam_sss(sshd:auth): system info: [Cannot find KDC for
 requested realm]
 sshd[8581]: pam_sss(sshd:auth): authentication failure; logname= uid=0
 euid=0 tty=ssh ruser= rhost=192.168.XXX.XXX user=oded.a
 sshd[8581]: pam_sss(sshd:auth): received for user oded.a: 4 (System
 error)
 sshd[8581]: Failed password for oded.a from 192.168.XXX.XXX port 33213
 ssh2
 
 I'm not sure which problem is the one that killing the authentication -
 the KDC or the inability to bind even though bind was successful.
 
 Does anyone have any suggestions as to what I may try?


I just looked at that page. Man is it out of date. I'll try to get that
updated soon (I don't think it's been modified since SSSD 0.5.0).

In order to communicate with AD, you need to set (in the domain section
of sssd.conf):
ldap_schema = rfc2307bis
ldap_default_bind_dn = DN of a user allowed to read from AD
ldap_default_authtok = Password of that user

That should get you most of the way there.


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Re: Duplicating Win 7 roaming profiles when logging in

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Mon, 2011-07-11 at 18:07 -0400, Joe Tseng wrote:
 I’ve got a laptop running Win 7 Pro registered with my Samba/OpenLDAP
 PDC and it seems to not be handling roaming profiles properly when I
 reboot and log in. More often than not, it would take a long time
 logging in because it would recreate entirely new profile trees (eg.
 jtseng.ATHOME, jtseng.ATHOME.001, jtseng.ATHOME.002, jtseng.ATHOME.003
 and so on). Could someone clue me in as to why this may be happening?

This is completely the wrong list for such questions. Try getting
support from Microsoft.



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Re: Duplicating Win 7 roaming profiles when logging in

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Tue, 2011-07-12 at 07:23 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
 On Tue, 2011-07-12 at 07:40 -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
  On Mon, 2011-07-11 at 18:07 -0400, Joe Tseng wrote:
   I’ve got a laptop running Win 7 Pro registered with my Samba/OpenLDAP
   PDC and it seems to not be handling roaming profiles properly when I
   reboot and log in. More often than not, it would take a long time
   logging in because it would recreate entirely new profile trees (eg.
   jtseng.ATHOME, jtseng.ATHOME.001, jtseng.ATHOME.002, jtseng.ATHOME.003
   and so on). Could someone clue me in as to why this may be happening?
  
  This is completely the wrong list for such questions. Try getting
  support from Microsoft.
 
 A Samba forum might be more indicated here, though it's hard to tell as
 as he doesn't say what his server is running, or even if it's Linux let
 alone Fedora.

I misread the original email. I agree with Patrick that it would be best
to take this to one of the samba mailing lists. See
http://www.samba.org/samba/archives.html for details.


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Re: frozen gnome 3 desktop

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Fri, 2011-06-24 at 16:24 +1000, L wrote:
 Hi
 After upgraded to fedora 15, most are working well. The gnome 3
 desktop are weired. It frequently freeze, not responding to mouse or
 keyboard. I have to login a virtual term (alt+ctrl+F2) to restart gdm
 (init 3; init 5). I checked Xorg.0.log file and output of dmesg, I
 can't spot any hint.
 
 Linux  2.6.38.8-32.fc15.x86_64 #1 SMP Mon Jun 13 19:49:05 UTC 2011
 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
 
 Any one experienced this or where is find a fix? thanks


Do you see any messages in /var/log/messages when the freezes happen?


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RE: sssd and ldap_user_search_base

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 15:17 +, Licause, Al wrote:
 I’ve discovered through more experimentation and some source code
 examples that this syntax works:
 
  
snip

This shouldn't work at all. Currently, SSSD does not support multiple
search bases. There is an open enhancement request for this here:
https://fedorahosted.org/sssd/ticket/868

Currently, it's considered a low-priority upstream. However, I notice
you're using an EL6 build of SSSD (though it's an old one). In this
case, I encourage you to speak to your support representative about
raising the priority of this fix.



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Re: Firefox 5.0

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 15:52 -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
 On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 21:40 +0200, Sascha wrote:
  On 06/21/2011 09:00 PM, agraham wrote:
   On 06/21/2011 07:52 PM, Steven Stern wrote:
   SATIRE
  
   Trying to get in the first What's wrong with Fedora?  It's been 15
   minutes since the Mozilla announcement and Firefox 5 isn't in the repos
   comment.
  
   /SATIRE
  
  
   It's there now, sorry for the delay.
  
  
  Well, I would like to know, if Firefox 5 will generally come into the 
  Fedora 15 repos. I searched the devel-ML for this topic the last days, I 
  found out that Spot has a fedorapeople-Firefox5-Repo (He had a 
  Firefox4-Beta-Repo back in F14 (Or was it 13?) times, too) but nothing 
  about Fedora 15 and Firefox 5. I mean, ok, the version number looks 
  huge, but actually, this is only a minor release and all distributions 
  that ship current Firefox should notice that and therefore upgrade their 
  Firefox package.
  
  bodhi-Output:
  
  bodhi -L firefox
 dist-f13-updates-testing  firefox-3.6.17-1.fc13
 dist-f13-updates  firefox-3.6.17-1.fc13
  dist-f13-updates-candidate  firefox-3.6.18-1.fc13
 dist-f14-updates  firefox-3.6.17-1.fc14
  dist-f14-updates-candidate  firefox-3.6.18-1.fc14
 dist-f14-updates-testing  firefox-3.6.17-1.fc14
 dist-f15-updates  firefox-4.0.1-2.fc15
 dist-f15-updates-testing  firefox-4.0.1-2.fc15
  dist-f15-updates-candidate  firefox-4.0-3.fc15
  
  
 
 
 This is an excellent question, and it will partly depend on whether
 Mozilla's upstream plans for maintaining older versions. One of the
 advantages to their schedule for major releases was that we could
 reasonably assume that they'd be supporting a major release for the full
 13-month lifecycle of a Fedora release. I can't find at a quick search
 right now any statements on how long they plan to support Firefox 3.6,
 4.x or 5.x.
 
 I find it hard to believe that upstream will want to support releases on
 their new schedule for thirteen months. Their current plan is to release
 version 5.0, 6.0 and 7.0 all within 2011. It would be a support
 nightmare on their part to continue support beyond security fixes for
 more than two or three releases continuously, which pretty much implies
 that at some point Fedora will need to update mid-life in order to
 retain support.


It appears that Mozilla upstream is going to force our hand here.
Apparently, Mozilla declared Firefox 4 EOL alongside the release of
Firefox 5 [1].

This is going to cause a lot of pain, especially with regards to
extensions.

[1]
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9217837/Mozilla_retires_Firefox_4_from_security_support


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Re: Firefox 5.0

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 21:40 +0200, Sascha wrote:
 On 06/21/2011 09:00 PM, agraham wrote:
  On 06/21/2011 07:52 PM, Steven Stern wrote:
  SATIRE
 
  Trying to get in the first What's wrong with Fedora?  It's been 15
  minutes since the Mozilla announcement and Firefox 5 isn't in the repos
  comment.
 
  /SATIRE
 
 
  It's there now, sorry for the delay.
 
 
 Well, I would like to know, if Firefox 5 will generally come into the 
 Fedora 15 repos. I searched the devel-ML for this topic the last days, I 
 found out that Spot has a fedorapeople-Firefox5-Repo (He had a 
 Firefox4-Beta-Repo back in F14 (Or was it 13?) times, too) but nothing 
 about Fedora 15 and Firefox 5. I mean, ok, the version number looks 
 huge, but actually, this is only a minor release and all distributions 
 that ship current Firefox should notice that and therefore upgrade their 
 Firefox package.
 
 bodhi-Output:
 
 bodhi -L firefox
dist-f13-updates-testing  firefox-3.6.17-1.fc13
dist-f13-updates  firefox-3.6.17-1.fc13
 dist-f13-updates-candidate  firefox-3.6.18-1.fc13
dist-f14-updates  firefox-3.6.17-1.fc14
 dist-f14-updates-candidate  firefox-3.6.18-1.fc14
dist-f14-updates-testing  firefox-3.6.17-1.fc14
dist-f15-updates  firefox-4.0.1-2.fc15
dist-f15-updates-testing  firefox-4.0.1-2.fc15
 dist-f15-updates-candidate  firefox-4.0-3.fc15
 
 


This is an excellent question, and it will partly depend on whether
Mozilla's upstream plans for maintaining older versions. One of the
advantages to their schedule for major releases was that we could
reasonably assume that they'd be supporting a major release for the full
13-month lifecycle of a Fedora release. I can't find at a quick search
right now any statements on how long they plan to support Firefox 3.6,
4.x or 5.x.

I find it hard to believe that upstream will want to support releases on
their new schedule for thirteen months. Their current plan is to release
version 5.0, 6.0 and 7.0 all within 2011. It would be a support
nightmare on their part to continue support beyond security fixes for
more than two or three releases continuously, which pretty much implies
that at some point Fedora will need to update mid-life in order to
retain support.


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Re: Paradigm shift going from Gnome2 to Gnome3

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 02:23 +0930, Tim wrote:
 Is a corporation going to want to spend $100 per graphics card per PC,
 so that the default Gnome 3 actually works, or are they going to
 continue to only want to put in the $20 graphics card?  (That just won't
 work with the new all-singing, all-dancing, Gnome 3.)  So there's the
 next RHEL with Gnome shot down in flames.
 
 Likewise, the *average* home user faces the same quandary, and most
 people buy underpowered computers.  So that's Fedora out of the
 question.

I have an underpowered computer running integrated Intel graphics
(read: the cheapest of the cheap). The open-source Intel drivers work
just fine with Gnome 3/Gnome Shell. (Actually, I have more trouble with
the NEWER Intel cards, like those on the Sandy Bridge architecture).

Despite how flashy things look, the Gnome folks did a really quite
impressive job of limiting the hardware requirements to a very
reasonable set of 3D functions that should be present on most machines
built in the last four years at least.


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Re: 5-star Fedora experience

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 13:20 -0400, Lamar Owen wrote:
 On Sunday, June 19, 2011 10:58:28 AM Fernando Cassia wrote:  73 year
 olds say how cool? I thought ´cool´ was a 1980s thing (sorry, 
 English is not my native language :)
 
 In a local restaurant, there is an old advertisement poster for men's
 boxer shorts, and in quotes the word 'coolness.'  My oldest teenage
 daughter saw that and wondered about the 'modern' advertisement. 
 Fortunately, there was a copyright date on the poster.  The date?
 
 1915.
 
 What's old is new again.
 
 It's quite possible that a little over twenty years after that ad was
 published the shorter 'cool' was still in use, around the time a 73
 year-old would have been born.


It's also possible that the advertisement literally meant keeps your
genitals cool in the summer. It's hard to know what a hundred-year-old
advertisement might really have meant :)


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Re: Does fedora 15 supports latest hardware ?

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Thu, 2011-06-16 at 12:35 +0530, Navdeep Singh Sidhu wrote:
 Fedora 15 doesn't works on my Laptop. So i have a question, Does it
 supports latest Hardware?
 Like
 2nd Generation i7 Quad core 2720QM 2.20GHz Boost upto 3.30 GHz
 Dual Graphics Card- Intel HD graphics 3000  2 GB nVIDIA Geforce GT
 540m Graphics card
 8GB RAM Dual Channel 1333 MHz DDR3
 Intel® Centrino® Advanced-N 6230 with Bluetooth v3.0+HS wireless card
 Dell XPS L502X Direct Base Mother board
 

Can you describe what exactly is the behavior you're seeing? I have the
exact same model of laptop and have run Fedora 15 on it just fine since
the Beta.

The only real bug I've seen has been with multiple-monitor support:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=691429




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Re: Does fedora 15 supports latest hardware ?

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Thu, 2011-06-16 at 15:30 +, Mark Eggers wrote:
 On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 09:44:23 +0200, Alexander Volovics wrote:
 
  On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 12:35:24PM +0530, Navdeep Singh Sidhu wrote:
  
  Fedora 15 doesn't works on my Laptop. So i have a question, Does it
  supports latest Hardware?
  Like
  2nd Generation i7 Quad core 2720QM 2.20GHz Boost upto 3.30 GHz Dual
  Graphics Card- Intel HD graphics 3000  2 GB nVIDIA Geforce GT 540m
  Graphics card
  8GB RAM Dual Channel 1333 MHz DDR3
  Intel® Centrino® Advanced-N 6230 with Bluetooth v3.0+HS wireless card
  Dell XPS L502X Direct Base Mother board
  
  Depending on what your expectations are with regard to the hybrid
  graphics. You might be wise to look into, for example, the posts on:
  http://forum.notebookreview.com/linux-compatibility-software/473915-no-
 support-nvidia-optimus-linux.html
  Or those in the Lenovo forums.
  
  Alexander
 
 Note, this is probably an Optimus issue. NVidia does not support Optimus 
 with its Linux drivers.
 
 If your laptop is using Optimus, then there are several solutions.
 
 If your BIOS allows it, disable the Intel graphics and only rely on the 
 NVidia GPU. This will probably drastically shorten your battery life.
 
 Go visit the NVidia Linux forums at www.nvnews.net/vbulletin. Someone has 
 put together a software solution that appears to work. Do a search on 
 Optimus in the NVIDIA Linux forum.
 
 I don't remember if anyone has tried this with Gnome 3 or Fedora 15.
 
 Again, this is Linux NVidia driver versus hardware issue, and not really 
 a Linux (or Fedora) issue.
 
 . . . . just my two cents.
 
 /mde/
 

You can't BIOS disable either the Intel graphics or the nVidia graphics
on this laptop, however in my experience, X successfully detects the
'intel' driver and uses that to great success (the nVidia card is
ignored).

I'd like to hear more from the original reporter as to what misbehavior
he is seeing here.

Navdeep, how did you attempt to install Fedora? Or are you saying that
the LiveCD/LiveUSB doesn't boot? Or is it the install DVD?

When I installed on this laptop, I did so by LiveUSB created with
liveusb-creator from the Fedora 15 Beta livecd ISO.

Another question is whether you tried to install the i686 or x86_64
version of the OS (I successfully installed x86_64)


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Re: Does fedora 15 supports latest hardware ?

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Thu, 2011-06-16 at 11:41 -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
 On Thu, 2011-06-16 at 15:30 +, Mark Eggers wrote:
  On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 09:44:23 +0200, Alexander Volovics wrote:
  
   On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 12:35:24PM +0530, Navdeep Singh Sidhu wrote:
   
   Fedora 15 doesn't works on my Laptop. So i have a question, Does it
   supports latest Hardware?
   Like
   2nd Generation i7 Quad core 2720QM 2.20GHz Boost upto 3.30 GHz Dual
   Graphics Card- Intel HD graphics 3000  2 GB nVIDIA Geforce GT 540m
   Graphics card
   8GB RAM Dual Channel 1333 MHz DDR3
   Intel® Centrino® Advanced-N 6230 with Bluetooth v3.0+HS wireless card
   Dell XPS L502X Direct Base Mother board
   
   Depending on what your expectations are with regard to the hybrid
   graphics. You might be wise to look into, for example, the posts on:
   http://forum.notebookreview.com/linux-compatibility-software/473915-no-
  support-nvidia-optimus-linux.html
   Or those in the Lenovo forums.
   
   Alexander
  
  Note, this is probably an Optimus issue. NVidia does not support Optimus 
  with its Linux drivers.
  
  If your laptop is using Optimus, then there are several solutions.
  
  If your BIOS allows it, disable the Intel graphics and only rely on the 
  NVidia GPU. This will probably drastically shorten your battery life.
  
  Go visit the NVidia Linux forums at www.nvnews.net/vbulletin. Someone has 
  put together a software solution that appears to work. Do a search on 
  Optimus in the NVIDIA Linux forum.
  
  I don't remember if anyone has tried this with Gnome 3 or Fedora 15.
  
  Again, this is Linux NVidia driver versus hardware issue, and not really 
  a Linux (or Fedora) issue.
  
  . . . . just my two cents.
  
  /mde/
  
 
 You can't BIOS disable either the Intel graphics or the nVidia graphics
 on this laptop, however in my experience, X successfully detects the
 'intel' driver and uses that to great success (the nVidia card is
 ignored).
 
 I'd like to hear more from the original reporter as to what misbehavior
 he is seeing here.
 
 Navdeep, how did you attempt to install Fedora? Or are you saying that
 the LiveCD/LiveUSB doesn't boot? Or is it the install DVD?
 
 When I installed on this laptop, I did so by LiveUSB created with
 liveusb-creator from the Fedora 15 Beta livecd ISO.
 
 Another question is whether you tried to install the i686 or x86_64
 version of the OS (I successfully installed x86_64)

I think I was misremembering how I installed this, because I just tried
again with a liveusb and I was dropped to a debug shell sh: can't
access tty; job control turned off.

Now that I think about it more, I think I was wrong above. I now
remember that the live media didn't work for me. I think did a network
install (which carried a number of updates).


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Re: Further mysteries of F15 and Gnome3 .

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 08:49 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
 First let me say my installation of F15 went extremely well. Sound ,
 video, printing, etc worked without problems. My log files were
 recorded. But still mysteries continue.
 
 1.. Workspaces
 I can fine no good explanation of how workspaces work in Gnome3. Despite
 statements on the video their use is far from intuitive. But I figured
 it out. However some screwiness remains.
 Why are only two workspaces available? I found  this can't be changed.

That's incorrect. In Gnome 3 the number of workspaces is dynamic, rather
than fixed. If you are on workspace 2 and open a window, a blank
workspace 3 is automatically created below you, for future use.

 Even stranger I found you could not put instances of the same program in
 both workspaces. For example,  if Firefox is in one workspace a
 different instance of Firefox can't be put in the second workspace. If
 anyone out there knows how to do that I would be glad to hear about it.
 

You can put different windows in different workspaces, but if you just
click on the Firefox icon, it does not open a new window by default.
Instead, it takes you to your last-used window of that application.

If you right-click on the Firefox icon, you'll see New Window

 Finally, alt-tab is supposed to something relative to workspaces but
 what?
 

Alt-tab switches between applications, not workspaces.

Alt-~ (tilde) switches between windows of a particular application.

 2, Poweroff
 It seems pretty lame  that to poweroff you have to hold down the alt key
 to change the Suspend option to Poweroff. Why couldn't the menu  have
 both of them?
 

yum install
gnome-shell-extensions-alternative-status-menu-3.0.2-1.g63dd27cgit.fc15.noarch

 I guess these are really questions for the developers but they are still
 interesting questions.
 -- 
 ===
 Thufir's a Harkonnen now.
 ===
 Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net
 




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Re: Dual monitors, one desktop...

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 10:24 -0400, Darryl L. Pierce wrote:
 For my Fedora 15 laptop, I have a docking station at work that has two
 monitors connected to it. When I move between desktops, the right
 monitor keeps its content and the left monitor is the only one that
 changes.
 
 How do I make it so that both displays change? I want to have both
 monitors to be used for each of the virtual desktops, not just one.
 

You can install gconf-editor and set
/desktop/gnome/shell/workspaces_only_on_primary to FALSE.

However, I should warn you that I've been told by GNOME upstream that
this is an unsupported feature, and I've identified quite a few bugs
with how it behaves.



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Re: nss_ldap + sssd for hostname resolution

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 15:45 -0400, Luc Lalonde wrote:
 Hello Folks,
 
 I can't seem to get a combination that was working with Fedora 13 to
 work with Fedora 15.
 
 In Fedora 13 I would use these settings in /etc/nsswitch.conf:
 
 hosts:  files dns ldap
 
 And in /etc/ldap.conf:
 
 nss_base_hosts  ou=Hosts,dc=foobar,dc=org?one
 
 If I try to do this on Fedora 15, it doesn't work at all.   Is there a
 way to do this without having to install 'nss_ldap'?   I also would
 like to get the 'netgroups' from LDAP... this was also working with
 Fedora 13.
 

Fedora 15 switched to nss-pam-ldapd, which uses the /etc/nslcd.conf file
instead of /etc/ldap.conf (which was easy to confuse with the config
file for openldap).


SSSD now supports netgroups in Fedora 15, so you can just use
netgroups: files sss

We don't yet support the 'hosts' map, see
https://fedorahosted.org/sssd/ticket/359


 As it is now, I'm using 'nis' as a workaround for these mappings when I
 should be doing it with 'ldap'.
 
 Thank You!
 
 
 -- Luc Lalonde, analyste
 -
 Département de génie informatique: École polytechnique de Montréal
 (514) 340-4711 x5049 luc.lalo...@polymtl.ca
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Re: git patch comments

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Wed, 2011-06-08 at 16:52 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
 I just realized git patches I have been applying to a local repository 
 are not saving the comments correctly.
 
 The git patch has properly formatted, with newlines, comments. Some have 
 bullet points. When I run git am ~/0001-fix.patch the resulting git 
 history shows the git comment as all one line as the newlines have been 
 removed.
 
 This:
 Git comment
   - bullet 1
   - bullet 2
 
 Turns into:
 Git comment - bullet 1 - bullet 2
 
 Am I using git incorrectly or is this a git bug?


I suspect that you are saving your patches with Windows line endings
instead of UNIX line endings, so when you import it on linux, they are
no longer available. Try running dos2unix on the file before importing
it.


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Re: F15: Dual Monitors with Gnome 3

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Wed, 2011-06-08 at 12:58 -0400, Steven F. LeBrun wrote:
 Does Gnome 3 support dual monitors?
 
 Since upgrading (clean install) to Fedora 15 and to Gnome 3, my second 
 monitor is not showing up in the System Settings - Displays dialog.  
 Clicking on the Detect Displays does not find the second monitor.
 
 The second monitor is connected via HDMI cable and does have the flash 
 screen from when the system boots and before Gnome 3 kicks in.
 
 Any suggestions or help on getting my second monitor running would be 
 appreciated.
 
 Laptop: Dell Inspiron 15R, second monitor an Acer 24 1920x1080 (same 
 resolution as laptop screen).
 

You're probably hitting
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=691429 which I opened a
while ago.


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Re: Fedora 15 Classic gnome option

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Fri, 2011-06-03 at 11:46 +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
 On Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 06:49:45PM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
  On Fri, 2011-06-03 at 08:35 +1000, Nathan Delboux wrote:
   Does anyone know if the Classic Gnome would become an option to use if
   we don't like Gnome 3? or are just used to Gnome classic?
   
   I'm all for change and don't really mind which way that Fedora heads
   but i heard Ubuntu may have it an option with their Unity interface.
   Good to keep the options open
  
  
  You're not likely to get much traction for this. The GNOME team doesn't
  really want to continue supporting the 2.x line. You'll get some bugfix
  support for it if you're running RHEL or its clones, but I highly doubt
  that anyone is going to be sufficiently interested to maintain a
  complete desktop environment that's abandoned by its upstream.
 
 Sorry?
 
 We have GNOME fallback in 3.x. The GNOME panel appearance has been
 changed to match the way GNOME shell looks, but 1) you can change that
 and 2) it is maintained. Due to all the platform changes, a few applets
 weren't ported in 3.0, but there will be more applets in 3.2.
 
 A lot of work has gone into GNOME panel and GNOME applets, totally
 opposite from being abandoned.


I was talking about the actual Gnome 2 desktop environment, not fallback
mode (which if I understand correctly is more of a skin on top of Gnome
3 than an actual feature-for-feature replica of Gnome 2)


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Re: Reset gnome 3?

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Fri, 2011-06-03 at 14:10 +0100, Ian Malone wrote:
 On 3 June 2011 13:15, Gary Waters linuxnuts...@videotron.ca wrote:
  Is there some way to reset gnome 3's setttings? I have been googling
  around about tips and tweaks for gnome 3 and noticed I am missing a few
  things, such as places, recent documents, and the plus/minus signs
  at the bottom right to add/remove desktops, etc...
 
  Unless, of course, I'm simply doing something wrong? Could the gnome
  tweak tool have caused this? Is there a better FAQ I could consult?
 
  In other words, I can't seem to get this:
 
  http://www.thevarguy.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Screenshot-2.png
 
 
 I've no idea how to get it, but would like to know too. However the
 url suggests it's from march 2010, so they may have decided before
 release that it was dangerously useful and removed it.

That screenshot is extremely out of date. Those panels no longer exist
on their own. They appear as you start typing into the search field in
the overlay.



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Re: SSSD (LDAP and Kerberos) to AD

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Tue, 2011-05-31 at 13:58 +, Ethan Bonick wrote:
 I am having trouble getting sssd to work properly with LDAP. I am
 using kerberos for passwords and LDAP for identification. I have
 everything working on Ubuntu and CENTOS5 clients not using SSSD so I
 know it works. 
 
 Kerberos works just fine and I can get a ticket. LDAP returns nothing,
 debug logs aren't helping me. I have included a copy of my config
 file. We are not using certs on ldap and it shouldn't be required
 since I am using kerberos for authentication.
 
 Thanks,
 Ethan
 
 [sssd]
 config_file_version = 2
 reconnection_retries = 3
 sbus_timeout = 30
 services = nss, pam
 domains = default
 
 [nss]
 filter_groups = root
 filter_users = root, nimda
 reconnection_retries = 3
 
 [pam]
 reconnection_retries = 3
 
 [domain/default]
 auth_provider = krb5
 krb5_kpasswd = dc1.example.com,dc2.example.com,dc3.example.com
 krb5_kdcip = dc1.example.com,dc2.example.com,dc3.example.com
 krb5_realm = example.com
 krb5_server = dc1.example.com,dc2.example.com,dc3.example.com
 chpass_provider = krb5
 cache_credentials = True
 
 id_provider = ldap
 ldap_id_use_start_tls = False
 ldap_user_uid_number = msSFU30UidNumber
 ldap_user_gid_number = msSFU30GidNumber
 ldap_user_principal = userPrincipalName
 ldap_force_upper_case_realm = False
 ldap_group_gid_number = msSFU30GidNumber
 ldap_uri =
 ldap://dc1.example.com,ldap://dc2.example.com,ldap://dc3.example.com
 ldap_user_home_directory = msSFU30HomeDirectory
 ldap_user_object_class = person
 ldap_group_object_class = group
 ldap_group_name = msSFU30Name
 ldap_user_name = msSFU30Name
 ldap_search_base = dc=example,dc=com
 ldap_default_authtok_type = password
 ldap_default_bind_dn = cn=Linux LDAP,ou=IT,dc=example,dc=com
 ldap_user_shell = msSFU30LoginShell
 ldap_default_authtok = PASSWORD_GOES_HERE
 ldap_tls_cacertdir = /etc/openldap/cacerts
 min_id = 1
 max_id = 99
 enumerate = True
 ldap_pwd_policy = none
 ldap_search = dc=example,dc=com
 ldap_schema = rfc2307bis
 debug_level = 9
 


First, I'd like to mention that SSSD is not currently the ideal solution
for interacting with ActiveDirectory. (Currently, we are implementing a
winbind-based provider that should be ready within the next two months).

Second, the user list isn't the best place to get this help. Please open
a Bugzilla ticket against the SSSD component and attach your sssd.conf
as well as the /etc/sssd/sssd/sssd_default.log to it. We'll get you
sorted out.


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