Re: Kernel 5.16.18 refuses to process sound
On 4/1/22 05:53, Tim via users wrote: On Thu, 2022-03-31 at 12:27 -0400, Temlakos wrote: Today I recorded a video using Open Broadcast Studio (OBS) and a Logitech BRIO camera with build-in microphone that has delivered flawless performance to date. Imagine my shock and chagrin when I played a video I had just recorded, only to find that I had picture, but no sound. I've found OBS to randomnly reassign audio and video sources when you have more than one (webcams, internal sound card, etc), even though they were all uniquely identified. Not this time. This issue was reproducible - and reproducibly avoidable by downgrading the kernel. Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Kernel 5.16.18 refuses to process sound
On 3/31/22 13:41, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 3/31/22 09:27, Temlakos wrote: All that to say this: the kernel has a bug, and killed the handling of sound from microphones. At least in the current version. The last version handled it without a hitch and still does. Are you sure? Did you check the sound settings? I have removed that version of the kernel and would like to skip it. Two questions: 1. How do I set DNFDragora to skip a current version and call me back when it has a new version of the kernel for me to try out? You can't. There's a dnf plugin to lock the version of a package, but no way to skip a specific version. 2. How do I file a bug against the kernel? I tried accessing a bug reporting program but don't know where to find it. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/ Yes, I checked the sound settings. Everything was supposed to be go, only: no joy. Not until I rolled back to the previous version of the kernel. Then I had recorded sound. Not until. Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Kernel 5.16.18 refuses to process sound
Everyone: Today I recorded a video using Open Broadcast Studio (OBS) and a Logitech BRIO camera with build-in microphone that has delivered flawless performance to date. Imagine my shock and chagrin when I played a video I had just recorded, only to find that I had picture, but no sound. I just fell back on Kernel 5.16.17, and it picked up the sound just fine. Last Known Good and all that. All that to say this: the kernel has a bug, and killed the handling of sound from microphones. At least in the current version. The last version handled it without a hitch and still does. I have removed that version of the kernel and would like to skip it. Two questions: 1. How do I set DNFDragora to skip a current version and call me back when it has a new version of the kernel for me to try out? 2. How do I file a bug against the kernel? I tried accessing a bug reporting program but don't know where to find it. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: F34 - what happened to Switch User?
On 5/3/21 9:12 AM, Tim via users wrote: On Mon, 2021-05-03 at 07:48 -0400, Temlakos wrote: What am I missing? If Switch User is still there, where did it go? If you lock the screen, is there a switch user option in there? No. It has every option except that: sleep, hibernate, restart, shutdown, lock, and log out. Someone on the KDE list suggested that the problem might be "upstream." Apparently KDE's implementation of user switching has been accumulating problems for the last several interations, and now they just flat can't recommend it. So rather than block F34 entirely, they just disabled it and pledged to "work on it." Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
F34 - what happened to Switch User?
Everyone: Last week I did my usual command-line upgrade, from F33 to F34. Most things still work, and some (like the KDE clipboard) work better. But of course the Applications menu changed radically. It took time for me to find the new places for things, and one thing I never found: Switch User. I now find it impossible to start a new session with another registered user. Now the only way to use a secondary user account is to log out, then log in as the secondary. And do the same in reverse when I'm done. The biggest reason I abandoned GNOME, years ago, was that GNOME did not provide, in its Graphical User Interface, a convenient way to switch users, and have two users logged on at once. KDE did. Until now. It used to be on a menu called "Leave." Along with options labeled "Log off", "Sleep," "Hibernate," "Restart," and "Shut Down." Today all those options, other than "Switch User," appear at the bottom of the applications menu screen. Which is mighty convenient for those other options, but not for Switch User, which is gone. What am I missing? If Switch User is still there, where did it go? Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: libatomic1 library - finding a safe package for
On 2/22/21 8:48 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 22/02/2021 20:36, Temlakos wrote: Several days ago, Skype pushed an update for Linux that I cannot install. I cannot install it because it requires a new version of the GNU Atomic Library called libatomic1. Not "libatomic," which is what Fedora uses, but "libatomic1" (note the placement of that digit "1") for which Fedora seems to have no builds. I have found builds for several RPM-based distros, including Alt-Linux Sisyphus, OpenMandriva, and OpenSUSE. Question: may anyone safely install any of these packages into a Fedora system? If you did a search on this issue you'd find the Microsoft is aware of their mistake and it will be fixed in a new release "soon". The suggestion is to either stay on the current version until the fix. Or to install with --nodeps. I think I'll wait for Microsoft to do the smart thing and push an upgrade that goes back to plain old "libatomic" without the "1". If I did the other thing, I'm not sure it would work. And I really, really don't want to have to anable yet another repo to stay current with another dependency. Thanks for the heads-up. Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
libatomic1 library - finding a safe package for
Everyone: Several days ago, Skype pushed an update for Linux that I cannot install. I cannot install it because it requires a new version of the GNU Atomic Library called libatomic1. Not "libatomic," which is what Fedora uses, but "libatomic1" (note the placement of that digit "1") for which Fedora seems to have no builds. I have found builds for several RPM-based distros, including Alt-Linux Sisyphus, OpenMandriva, and OpenSUSE. Question: may anyone safely install any of these packages into a Fedora system? Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: KDE Plasma desktop won't load [SOLVED]
On 1/9/2021 4:54 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 09/01/2021 14:20, Temlakos wrote: On 1/9/2021 12:12 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 09/01/2021 12:53, Temlakos wrote: I sincerely hope someone can help me with this. This morning, KDE seems to have pushed Plasma 5.20--and the push was incomplete. After I had the bad sense to force some updates, I found that my SDDM theme was gone, and I couldn't log on. Sounds like you forced updates which had dependency issues. You could enable the updates-testing and update from there and this should resolve the issues you're seeing. You may choose to exclude some packages which aren't related to KDE plasma. I decided not to exclude anything. I've no issues. --- The key to getting good answers is to ask good questions. OK. Tell me again how to enable the updates-testing repo--except that I have to do it in a CLI. The GUI is not available to me until I solve this, but the CLI is. I see you were already given the answer. FWIW, it would seem the push has happened. Not sure if all mirrors are synced. But a system here was updated without enabling updates-testing. --- The key to getting good answers is to ask good questions. ___ Problem solved! GUI restored, with all my settings. Thank you. Ed, if this community ever starts an awards program for Best Volunteer Technical Supporter, you have my vote. I have found your advice consistently sound, and have fresh reason to appreciate it. Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: KDE Plasma desktop won't load
On 1/9/2021 12:12 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 09/01/2021 12:53, Temlakos wrote: I sincerely hope someone can help me with this. This morning, KDE seems to have pushed Plasma 5.20--and the push was incomplete. After I had the bad sense to force some updates, I found that my SDDM theme was gone, and I couldn't log on. Sounds like you forced updates which had dependency issues. You could enable the updates-testing and update from there and this should resolve the issues you're seeing. You may choose to exclude some packages which aren't related to KDE plasma. I decided not to exclude anything. I've no issues. --- The key to getting good answers is to ask good questions. OK. Tell me again how to enable the updates-testing repo--except that I have to do it in a CLI. The GUI is not available to me until I solve this, but the CLI is. Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
KDE Plasma desktop won't load
Everyone: I sincerely hope someone can help me with this. This morning, KDE seems to have pushed Plasma 5.20--and the push was incomplete. After I had the bad sense to force some updates, I found that my SDDM theme was gone, and I couldn't log on. Finally I gained enough access to install an SDDM theme--and in the process roll back Plasma to 5.19. (Ninety-four downloads, 146 MB.) So then I got my SDDM display back, and could select a user account, enter a password, and press Enter. Only now Plasma won't load no matter what I do. I cannot send any logs, because I literally do not have the kind of access that would let me copy and paste into an e-mail. I am sending this on an auxiliary machine. The contents of .xsession-errors is something like: kwin_x11: symbol lookup error: /lib64/libkwin...: undefined symbol plus a very long string that among other things contains the substring "Weyland" and "Plasma." How do I get Plasma to load and get past that "symbol lookup error" in an X session? If I can't manage this, I'm going to have to spend a great deal of time doing a "clean install" of F33. I might be able to save my files--I have a separate drive that I mount as /crypt to make it part of the file system. But it seems to me that I'm missing a very simple fix. Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: dnfdragora not making all updates available [SOLVED]
On 9/1/20 7:25 PM, Temlakos wrote: > On 9/1/20 6:55 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: >> On 2020-09-02 04:10, Temlakos wrote: >>> On 8/29/20 6:33 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: >>>> On 2020-08-29 21:24, Temlakos wrote: >>>>> The reform of dnfdragora to put all available updates into groups is not >>>>> updating everything, and not updating many things it used to update >>>>> without fail. >>>> On the leftmost drop-down box, toggle it from "Groups" to "All". >>>> >>> This morning when I tried to load the dnfdragora updater, the "toggle" >>> button labeled "Groups" was grayed out. I could not change the view from >>> "Groups" to "All" or anything. >>> >>> So I fell back on the native KDE software manager and accomplished all >>> my needed updates that way. >>> >>> What next? >> Delete the file... >> >> ~/.config/dnfdragora.yaml >> >> > No joy. Same result. Had to fall back on basic KDE updater to get all > the updates available. Grayed-out Groups button, and dnfdragora shows > "Empty" when it's not empty, or shouldn't be. > > Temlakos > Finally I solved the problem. I had been using the "Update" option for dnfdragora's GUI. And that grayed out the Groups/All toggle and the "To update/All/Installed" option selector. So I finally opened dnfdragora from the Applications menu (Administration sub-menu) with the generic, "just see what's in there" options. Those selectors then became active, and I was able to set the left-hand button from "Groups" to "All." And accomplished one update that had been waiting. Unfortunately the "Update" option will always pre-select Groups and have the selector grayed out. But the "Open dnfdragora dialog" option will allow me to make any selection I need. A bit of a counterintuitive solution, but it is a solution. Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Is Brave kicking you out too?
On 9/2/20 11:15 AM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: > Fedora32, x64 > Xfce 4.14 > brave-browser-1.13.82-1.x86_64 > > When I open Brave Browser and go to > > http://squall.sfsu.edu/gif/jetstream_pac_init_00.gif > (other pages too) > > five seconds later, I get kicked all the way out of Xfce and back to > my lightdm logon dialog. > ___ > users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org I'm using KDE. Brave causes no problems except for breaking maybe one Web site in twenty or twenty-five. But that's not a Fedora or KDE problem. Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: dnfdragora not making all updates available
On 9/1/20 6:55 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 2020-09-02 04:10, Temlakos wrote: >> On 8/29/20 6:33 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: >>> On 2020-08-29 21:24, Temlakos wrote: >>>> The reform of dnfdragora to put all available updates into groups is not >>>> updating everything, and not updating many things it used to update >>>> without fail. >>> On the leftmost drop-down box, toggle it from "Groups" to "All". >>> >> This morning when I tried to load the dnfdragora updater, the "toggle" >> button labeled "Groups" was grayed out. I could not change the view from >> "Groups" to "All" or anything. >> >> So I fell back on the native KDE software manager and accomplished all >> my needed updates that way. >> >> What next? > Delete the file... > > ~/.config/dnfdragora.yaml > > No joy. Same result. Had to fall back on basic KDE updater to get all the updates available. Grayed-out Groups button, and dnfdragora shows "Empty" when it's not empty, or shouldn't be. Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: dnfdragora not making all updates available
On 8/29/20 6:33 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 2020-08-29 21:24, Temlakos wrote: >> The reform of dnfdragora to put all available updates into groups is not >> updating everything, and not updating many things it used to update >> without fail. > On the leftmost drop-down box, toggle it from "Groups" to "All". > This morning when I tried to load the dnfdragora updater, the "toggle" button labeled "Groups" was grayed out. I could not change the view from "Groups" to "All" or anything. So I fell back on the native KDE software manager and accomplished all my needed updates that way. What next? Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
dnfdragora not making all updates available
Everyone: The reform of dnfdragora to put all available updates into groups is not updating everything, and not updating many things it used to update without fail. The only reliable thing my system will update, are applications and various desktop relevant things. And not all applications, either. Basically, if it is not in a group, dnfdragora will not update it and I have to fall back on the traditional Software Management application to do these updates. The following packages typically fail of update and even of selection on dnfdragora: * The kernel and related packages. * Browsers other than Firefox. * Application packages from repositories foreign to the Fedora community, such as "bunkus.org" (mkvtoolsnix), google (for chrome), and Adobe Systems Incorporated. * System packages that run background processes that normally load themselves at startup and stay resident. I've checked for all possible settings I can make to solve this problem. No joy. I've tried refreshing metadata (which, by the way, takes fifteen minutes every time). No joy. I tried selecting "not showing the groups." No joy. Suggestions? Have any of you noticed the same issue? My desktop is KDE. "Check for updates" counts all packages that need an update. But again: if they're not in a group, they're not available for a selection. (Note: if you're going to tell me to report this as a bug, I need to know exactly where and how. I've filed bugs in the wrong place and they get no action.) Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Any subs for Libreoffice?
On 8/12/20 2:49 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 8/12/20 11:39 AM, Temlakos wrote: >> Then if no one you know uses LaTeX anymore, how does one render >> mathematical equations other than by drawing the image of math and >> embedding such images directly? > > LibreOffice has a decent equation editor. I'm guessing Word probably > has one too. > ___ And MediaWiki? Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Any subs for Libreoffice?
Then if no one you know uses LaTeX anymore, how does one render mathematical equations other than by drawing the image of math and embedding such images directly? Temlakos On 8/12/20 10:50 AM, William Oliver wrote: > Wow. I didn't know people still used TeX/LaTeX a lot any more. I > remember having to use it all the time for stuff I wrote when in > graduate school in the 1980s, but I thought it had pretty much fallen > out of favor except for die-hard users. I haven't used it in years. > But what do I know. I still remember (and pine for) the keystroke > commands for WordStar. > > From reading this discussion, it seems that the primary complaints > against LibreOffice are larger scale layout issues. I may have missed > it, and if someone has mentioned it earlier, I apologize. What about > just importing into a publishing/layout program like Scribus? It seems > that this would make it trivial to do various orientations, etc. Of > course, just as word processing programs are not the best desktop > publshing systems, the desktop publishing apps tend to make poor word > processors... > > Another possibility might be to import the odt file into Libreoffice > Draw and use that for layout changes. > > billo > > > > On Wed, 2020-08-12 at 08:44 -0300, George N. White III wrote: >> On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 at 02:12, Tim via users < >> users@lists.fedoraproject.org> >> wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 2020-08-11 at 15:39 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: >>>> So I put him on LO. He is writing up a book or something. >>> A word processor, any word processor, is not a particularly good >>> choice >>> for writing a book. They've long since gone from being a "word >>> processor" to being a secretary's all-purpose convoluted typing >>> tool. >>> >>> They're not particularly conducive to writing paragraphs and pages >>> as >>> just paragraphs and pages, often horrible at very long documents, >>> and >>> not really good for doing page layout. Probably not a very useful >>> format if you were going to take a book to a printing house, >>> either. >>> >> Many print shops want standards compliant PDF's, some will accept >> Word. My wife once needed a fanfold handout, so I created a PDF >> using LaTeX. The printer remarked that it had been years since he >> had seen formatting of comparable quality. Now Word has a >> TeX engine. >> >> >>> Latex is the usual suggestion for real authors, but will be even >>> more >>> of a bastard to use if you're not into that kind of thing. >>> >> LaTeX doesn't have to be difficult if you are working with an >> academic >> publisher that supports it. Many of the people who found it >> difficult >> were following bad advice that is all too easy to find on the >> internet. >> >> LaTeX is designed to allow authors to focus on the logical structure >> of a document. Details of formatting are handled by a "document >> class", and scientific publishers usually provide a document class >> that conforms to the style of a particular book series. Authors >> need to learn some LaTeX markup commands, usually by >> imitating a sample document from the publisher or a colleague's >> previous published LaTeX file.At my former work dozens of >> students and postdocs who had been using Word were able to >> switch to LaTeX with minimal effort. There are sometimes >> glitches that need help from an experienced user. In academia >> such help is readily available, but there are also many online >> sources of help. Unfortunately, the internet also has many >> sites offering really bad advice for LaTeX users. >> >> Many non-science publishers contract out the final tweaking/editing >> and rarely contractors who use anything other than Word. >> >> It is worth noting that LaTeX originated on systems with ASCII >> character sets. There has been a big effort to support Unicode >> fonts, including work by a consortium of academic publishers and >> societies to develop high quality free Unicode fonts (STIX2) with >> comprehensive coverage of scientific symbols. Microsoft developed >> Cambria Math. These efforts also led to a new "TeX engine", LuaTeX, >> so those who need Unicode support are well advised to use LuaLaTeX. >> For linux, LuaLaTeX is provided by TeX Live, which is packaged by >> linux distros and also available from the TeX User Group (tug.org). >> >> ___ >> users mailing list
Re: Any thoughts on the Vivaldi browser?
On 12/10/19 9:31 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: Hi All, Any of you guys use the Vivaldi browser? Any thoughts on it? -T I switched to the Vivaldi browser and away from Google Chrome, for one very good reason: Vivaldi does not track you. Google does. Oddly enough, Vivaldi uses the Google App Store for all extensions. So, with rare exception, anything that works on Chrome works on Vivaldi. And now Vivaldi is available, even if in Beta form, on Android devices. Vivaldi doesn't seem able to recognize itself as the default browser on Fedora. I always make a setting to open all URLs in Vivaldi. That takes care of that problem. Vivaldi has its own repository, as does Google Chrome. So as long as you enable it, you'll get the latest stable version. Vivaldi also has its own community of users. It is as much a cross-platform browser as is Firefox. The search engine of choice on Vivaldi is not Google, but Bing--the Microsoft search engine. I always change this to DuckDuckGo. You can in fact install a variety of search engines. I recommend Vivaldi without hesitation or qualification as the browser of choice. (Unless you are a Tor user, in which case you would use Tor's own browser.) Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Windows??.....
On 12/9/19 8:49 AM, John Mellor wrote: On 2019-12-09 12:08 a.m., Ed Greshko wrote: On 2019-12-09 12:31, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: Ok.so I'm just gonna ask, because I've noticed something. There was a time I could update my machine (Lenovo ThinkPad T-430 / T-420 laptops.) that wouldn't take long and I'd be able to continue to use my machines for hours until I was ready to either reboot, shutdown, etc. Is it me?...or has recently Fedora started to behave like Windows?in the fact that now when I do updates?I HAVE to reboot my machine!!! I thought the whole premise of moving away from having to reboot for each and every update, patch, and fix was one of the major reasons some people LEFT Windows to BEGIN WITH!? Is this going to be the "norm"?.is it because Microsoft has integrated themselves within the Open Source community that now.the community is starting to behave like WINDOWS!?.because if so?...I may have to start looking for another distro. The days of me having to reboot just because the SYSTEM wants me to?..SHOULD have ended with the cessation of my usage of Microsoft Windows. I assume GNOME is your desktop, yes? Why not just update from the command line? "dnf update". Then you can decide if you'd like to reboot. Eddie, I agree fully. 99% of the updates do not require a reboot. The only exception that I can think of is a breaking API change, and those should not exist in a given release. Indeed, Ubuntu explicitly guarantees that a breaking change will not happen until the next release, and they use a backport repo section in order to stop breaking changes from happening. I have had a Firefox issue after update twice in the past, and I assume that would be because Mozilla broke their API between versions, but that's about it. However, most packages follow semantic versioning rules, and a breaking API change always requires a major version number shift. Its almost trivial for the updater to check for a major version shift in a package that is running, and flag that a reboot is required only in that situation. And even then, unless its the kernel, it should require a user logout/login instead of a reboot. The bogus Gnome requirement to reboot is IMHO based upon faulty thinking, and needs to be corrected. -- John Mellor, Build/Release Engineer KDE does not impose any reboot requirements. My problem has always been not getting any good advice on when a reboot is required. One thing I /always/ reboot for, is a kernel update. Especially if I am having issues with the current kernel (taking too long to load a Web page after clicking on a link in an e-mail client, for example). But for anything else, I'm just guessing. I'm likely going to be passing $ sudo dnf needs-restarting more often for awhile, just to see what turns up. Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: F31 upgrade non-starter [SOLVED] [SUCCESS]
On 11/8/19 9:05 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 11/9/19 9:34 AM, Temlakos wrote: On 11/8/19 8:08 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 11/9/19 9:04 AM, Temlakos wrote: The log at /var/log/dnf.log has a "CRITICAL ERROR" message--something about having conflicting commands and not being able to install the "best" version. They suggest passing the --skip-broken switch. First, post the exact "errors". Questions: 1. How do I remove the present downloads so I can start over? dnf system-upgrade clean 2. Should I pass the --best flag, when running dnf system-upgrade download, or skip that? 3. Should I pass --allowerasing? 4. Should I pass --skip-broken? And especially should I pass --allowerasing and --skip-broken both at once? The last 3 questions are irrelevant until the error is understood. I believe the relevant passage in dnf.log is as follows: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.7/site-packages/dnf/cli/main.py", line 122, in cli_run ret = resolving(cli, base) File "/usr/lib/python3.7/site-packages/dnf/cli/main.py", line 158, in resolving base.resolve(cli.demands.allow_erasing) File "/usr/lib/python3.7/site-packages/dnf/base.py", line 766, in resolve raise exc dnf.exceptions.DepsolveError: Problem: cannot install the best candidate for the job - conflicting requests 2019-11-08T23:36:58Z CRITICAL Error: Problem: cannot install the best candidate for the job - conflicting requests 2019-11-08T23:36:58Z INFO (try to add '--skip-broken' to skip uninstallable packages) 2019-11-08T23:36:58Z DDEBUG Cleaning up. Before that, I see the following somewhat unusual entries: 2019-11-08T23:36:41Z DDEBUG Base command: system-upgrade 2019-11-08T23:36:41Z DDEBUG Extra commands: ['system-upgrade', 'upgrade'] 2019-11-08T23:36:41Z DEBUG Unknown configuration value: failovermethod=priority in /etc/yum.repos.d/bunkus-org.repo; Configuration: OptionBinding with id "failovermethod" does not exist 2019-11-08T23:36:41Z DEBUG Unknown configuration value: failovermethod=priority in /etc/yum.repos.d/bunkus-org.repo; Configuration: OptionBinding with id "failovermethod" does not exist 2019-11-08T23:36:41Z DEBUG Unknown configuration value: failovermethod=priority in /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-updates-modular.repo; Configuration: OptionBinding with id "failovermethod" does not exist 2019-11-08T23:36:41Z DEBUG Unknown configuration value: failovermethod=priority in /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-updates-modular.repo; Configuration: OptionBinding with id "failovermethod" does not exist 2019-11-08T23:36:41Z DEBUG Unknown configuration value: failovermethod=priority in /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-updates-modular.repo; Configuration: OptionBinding with id "failovermethod" does not exist Those messages are benign. The repostory "bunkus-org.repo" has one package in it, called mkvtoolnix, that I updated just before running dnf system-upgrade download. I have not seen fedora-updates-modular.repo before. Every other repository seems to have good information. I still don't see, from what you've supplied, what packages are causing the issue. I would run... dnf system-upgrade clean and then dnf system-upgrade download --releasever=31 followed by dnf system-upgrade reboot And check the logs again. At this point I would certainly *not* add --allowerasing, --skip-broken, or --best. I find these options are "options of last resort" which should only be used *after* probelms have been fully identified and understood. I find adding them without question can confuse more than clarify. Success! First I re-ran dnf upgrade --refresh, to make sure I had a fully up-to-date system. Then I followed your instructions almost to the letter, in that I passed --refresh to dnf system-upgrade download, per the "Quick system-upgrade doc" accessible through a link at getfedora.com. I did not pass --best, --allowerasing, or --skip-broken. Two remarkable things: 1. A download process that before had taken about seven hours, took forty minutes this time. 2. The system did not instruct me to run the command again; it said to run dnf system-upgrade reboot forthwith. This I did. It went through three cycles of the progress bar moving from zero to 100 percent complete. The first took about a minute; the second maybe twenty minutes; the third about five minutes. After that it booted into F31, which is what I am now running. I know this because it installed an F31 version of the current kernel. You've given me good advice before; you did so again this time. Thank you. Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-
Re: F31 upgrade non-starter *RESENT*
On 11/8/19 8:10 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 11/9/19 8:40 AM, Temlakos wrote: If anyone wants to see logs, I ask just one thing: tell me what are their names, and in what folder I will find them. Then I'll be happy to copy and paste them. First question. Do you have python3-dnf-plugin-system-upgrade-4.0.7-2.fc30 installed? It is the latest version which addresses some cases with symptoms you've described. The logs you want to investigate are dnf.librepo.log dnf.log dnf.log.1 dnf.rpm.log located in /var/log Yes, I have the python package you named, in the version you named. I have just sent in some clippings from dnf.log. Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: F31 upgrade non-starter
On 11/8/19 8:08 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 11/9/19 9:04 AM, Temlakos wrote: The log at /var/log/dnf.log has a "CRITICAL ERROR" message--something about having conflicting commands and not being able to install the "best" version. They suggest passing the --skip-broken switch. First, post the exact "errors". Questions: 1. How do I remove the present downloads so I can start over? dnf system-upgrade clean 2. Should I pass the --best flag, when running dnf system-upgrade download, or skip that? 3. Should I pass --allowerasing? 4. Should I pass --skip-broken? And especially should I pass --allowerasing and --skip-broken both at once? The last 3 questions are irrelevant until the error is understood. I believe the relevant passage in dnf.log is as follows: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.7/site-packages/dnf/cli/main.py", line 122, in cli_run ret = resolving(cli, base) File "/usr/lib/python3.7/site-packages/dnf/cli/main.py", line 158, in resolving base.resolve(cli.demands.allow_erasing) File "/usr/lib/python3.7/site-packages/dnf/base.py", line 766, in resolve raise exc dnf.exceptions.DepsolveError: Problem: cannot install the best candidate for the job - conflicting requests 2019-11-08T23:36:58Z CRITICAL Error: Problem: cannot install the best candidate for the job - conflicting requests 2019-11-08T23:36:58Z INFO (try to add '--skip-broken' to skip uninstallable packages) 2019-11-08T23:36:58Z DDEBUG Cleaning up. Before that, I see the following somewhat unusual entries: 2019-11-08T23:36:41Z DDEBUG Base command: system-upgrade 2019-11-08T23:36:41Z DDEBUG Extra commands: ['system-upgrade', 'upgrade'] 2019-11-08T23:36:41Z DEBUG Unknown configuration value: failovermethod=priority in /etc/yum.repos.d/bunkus-org.repo; Configuration: OptionBinding with id "failovermethod" does not exist 2019-11-08T23:36:41Z DEBUG Unknown configuration value: failovermethod=priority in /etc/yum.repos.d/bunkus-org.repo; Configuration: OptionBinding with id "failovermethod" does not exist 2019-11-08T23:36:41Z DEBUG Unknown configuration value: failovermethod=priority in /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-updates-modular.repo; Configuration: OptionBinding with id "failovermethod" does not exist 2019-11-08T23:36:41Z DEBUG Unknown configuration value: failovermethod=priority in /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-updates-modular.repo; Configuration: OptionBinding with id "failovermethod" does not exist 2019-11-08T23:36:41Z DEBUG Unknown configuration value: failovermethod=priority in /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-updates-modular.repo; Configuration: OptionBinding with id "failovermethod" does not exist The repostory "bunkus-org.repo" has one package in it, called mkvtoolnix, that I updated just before running dnf system-upgrade download. I have not seen fedora-updates-modular.repo before. Every other repository seems to have good information. Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: F31 upgrade non-starter
On 11/8/19 7:40 PM, Temlakos wrote: Everyone: I just tried to upgrade to F31. And I couldn't get past a few seconds in the upgrade environment before it "failed out" and rebooted to F30, after touching nothing. For the record: I started by running: sudo dnf upgrade --refresh When one of my packages (a third-party package named mkvtoolnix) didn't upgrade I reran the upgrade command with two additional flags, per the explicit suggestion: sudo dnf upgrade --best --allowerasing That did it, and I have a working version of mkvtoolnix, even with its GUI apparently baked in (so that the separate mkvtoolnix-gui package is obsolete and now removed). Then I ran this command: sudo dnf system-upgrade download --refresh --releasever=31 --best --allowerasing It took many hours, but I got 2.8 gigabytes of downloads. I also imported three GPG keys. It did successful transaction check and test. Before anyone asks: I have never been able to do a successful CLI upgrade using the system-upgrade package without passing the --allowerasing switch to the download command. I passed the --best switch because it seemed to work on the upgrade command and I thought I was adding an extra measure of security. Then I ran sudo dnf system-upgrade reboot And what happened? Well, first it rebooted into the upgrade environment. And I saw the progress screen. And then, rather abruptly, the upgrade progress screen vanished. I saw a very brief message from a program called "watchdog" that went by too quickly to read. Then it rebooted into my present F30 environment. Result: I have a working system, but it's still in F30 and I don't know why it failed to start the upgrade process, or how to get it started. At the moment I have a bunch of downloads of F31 packages, all dressed up and nowhere to go. If anyone wants to see logs, I ask just one thing: tell me what are their names, and in what folder I will find them. Then I'll be happy to copy and paste them. As far as I know, nothing like this issue has shown up in Bugzilla, unless I'm missing something. Temlakos Postscript: The log at /var/log/dnf.log has a "CRITICAL ERROR" message--something about having conflicting commands and not being able to install the "best" version. They suggest passing the --skip-broken switch. Questions: 1. How do I remove the present downloads so I can start over? 2. Should I pass the --best flag, when running dnf system-upgrade download, or skip that? 3. Should I pass --allowerasing? 4. Should I pass --skip-broken? And especially should I pass --allowerasing and --skip-broken both at once? Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
F31 upgrade non-starter
Everyone: I just tried to upgrade to F31. And I couldn't get past a few seconds in the upgrade environment before it "failed out" and rebooted to F30, after touching nothing. For the record: I started by running: sudo dnf upgrade --refresh When one of my packages (a third-party package named mkvtoolnix) didn't upgrade I reran the upgrade command with two additional flags, per the explicit suggestion: sudo dnf upgrade --best --allowerasing That did it, and I have a working version of mkvtoolnix, even with its GUI apparently baked in (so that the separate mkvtoolnix-gui package is obsolete and now removed). Then I ran this command: sudo dnf system-upgrade download --refresh --releasever=31 --best --allowerasing It took many hours, but I got 2.8 gigabytes of downloads. I also imported three GPG keys. It did successful transaction check and test. Before anyone asks: I have never been able to do a successful CLI upgrade using the system-upgrade package without passing the --allowerasing switch to the download command. I passed the --best switch because it seemed to work on the upgrade command and I thought I was adding an extra measure of security. Then I ran sudo dnf system-upgrade reboot And what happened? Well, first it rebooted into the upgrade environment. And I saw the progress screen. And then, rather abruptly, the upgrade progress screen vanished. I saw a very brief message from a program called "watchdog" that went by too quickly to read. Then it rebooted into my present F30 environment. Result: I have a working system, but it's still in F30 and I don't know why it failed to start the upgrade process, or how to get it started. At the moment I have a bunch of downloads of F31 packages, all dressed up and nowhere to go. If anyone wants to see logs, I ask just one thing: tell me what are their names, and in what folder I will find them. Then I'll be happy to copy and paste them. As far as I know, nothing like this issue has shown up in Bugzilla, unless I'm missing something. Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Email Client
On 6/10/19 5:42 PM, Douglas G Mckendrick via users wrote: Evening all, I'm after setting up an email client, I've tried thunderbird for my gmail account, but I get a google complaint about the client not being secure enough. Is there another recommended email client? Or can we make thunderbird more secure to pass the google checks? Thanks in advance D. Google is going to complain no matter what e-mail client you choose. It assumes without warrant that any desktop or laptop from which you access Google Mail by any interface other than their browser interface, is /shared/. Thunderbird is the best cross-platform e-mail client I can recommend. TEmlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: xmms2 fails to update
On 6/3/19 9:35 AM, stan via users wrote: On Mon, 3 Jun 2019 08:02:20 -0400 Temlakos wrote: So what do I do know? Remove xmms2-mad and then allow the update? Or Yes, if you want the update now. I just did. When I removed xmms2-mad, the system removed xmms2 as well. So I installed xmms2 version 60 for my architecture (which is x86_64). I find I can play my mp3 files as before. Now when I tried to install other xmms2-related files, the system simply didn't install them--especially if they came from RPMfusion. Why not? May I assume that the Fedora System xmms2 package now has everything I need to play just about any sound file I download? Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: xmms2 fails to update
On 6/3/19 6:50 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 6/3/19 6:33 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Sun, 2 Jun 2019 19:30:01 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: Transaction check error: file /usr/lib64/xmms2/libxmms_mad.so from install of xmms2-0.8-60.fc29.x86_64 conflicts with file from package xmms2-mad-0.8-24.fc29.x86_64 Error Summary - Comments? Suggested resolutions? xmms2 is a fedora package xmms2-mad is an rpmfusion package Wait until rpmfusion has caught up with fedora. No, Fedora should have covered this with an "Obsoletes" tag, so "xmms2" replaces "xmms2-mad", since it contains the "mad" based plugin now. It is a packaging mistake not to do that. Yes, thanks for the correction. So what do I do know? Remove xmms2-mad and then allow the update? Or wait for Fedora to correct the packaging mistake? Temlakos PS: I sent another message earlier--or thought I did--asking whether I should remove xmms2-mad and then update xmms2. I have reason to believe this community never got it--because the Great Google Crash of 2 June 2019 intercepted it just as I was trying to send it. Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
xmms2 fails to update
Everyone: When trying to update the xmms2 package, I'm getting this error from the dnfdragora application: Transaction check error: file /usr/lib64/xmms2/libxmms_mad.so from install of xmms2-0.8-60.fc29.x86_64 conflicts with file from package xmms2-mad-0.8-24.fc29.x86_64 Error Summary - Comments? Suggested resolutions? Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: What's up with Firefox
On 3/26/19 6:05 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, 2019-03-26 at 09:15 +0100, Robin Lee wrote: Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe this was a change in Firefox, not Fedora. Yes, of course, but I got Firefox through Fedora and thus I was expecting (perhaps wrongly) that it would be modified so that how to minimize it for example would be consistent with other desktop applications. I use Firefox under KDE and have noticed no change, which is how I would expect it to be. poc ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org This morning I turned on my computer, after using Firefox exactly once the day before. (I wanted to check out what everyone was talking about, and to browse a site I could browse more easily with Firefox than with Vivaldi, my current default browser.) And this morning my desktop took time to put up one of those Firefox Feeds Backup thingies on the desktop view. Other than that, no change. (And like Patrick here, I use KDE.) Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Upgrade to f29
On 10/31/18 12:56 PM, Paolo Galtieri wrote: Folks, I tried to upgrade a system to F29 this AM. The upgrade failed with the following error: Last metadata expiration check: 0:00:00 ago on Wed 31 Oct 2018 09:27:12 AM PDT. Error: Problem: problem with installed package pycryptopp-0.6.0.1206569328141510525648634803928199668821045408958-15.fc28.x86_64 - package pycryptopp-0.6.0.1206569328141510525648634803928199668821045408958-15.fc29.x86_64 requires libcryptopp.so.6()(64bit), but none of the providers can be installed - pycryptopp-0.6.0.1206569328141510525648634803928199668821045408958-15.fc28.x86_64 does not belong to a distupgrade repository - cryptopp-6.1.0-2.fc28.x86_64 does not belong to a distupgrade repository Any ideas on how to fix this? Any assistance is appreciated. Paolo ___ Pass the option --allowerasing to the download command. That's what I do--always--when upgrading by this method. Some of the mirrors might not yet be in synchrony. You could, of course, try it now. But get in the habit of passing the --allowerasing command. Eventually the mirrors will straighten themselves out, and if you have to reinstall a package, you can. Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: What are the differences between systemd and non-systemd Linux distros?
On 10/16/18 6:40 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, 2018-10-16 at 05:58 +, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote: Good afternoon from Singapore, What are the differences between systemd and non-systemd Linux distros? Is systemd implemented in all the latest Linux distros? This is not a question about Fedora. It would be better to ask on a general-purpose question site such as Quora (www.quora.com). poc Which someone has done. Here is a search result on quora.com with systemd as a keyword: https://www.quora.com/topic/systemd Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: No "su" / Admin account in Fedora 29?
On 10/12/18 3:39 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: Hello all, I was just wondering how to go about creating the "su" / admin account for F-29? I installed the beta and it only created the main user,...I'm almost certain that in F-28 there was an option upon install to create the admin/root account? I didn't see it in the beta, is it gone? is there now a new process? Just curious is all. Thank In Advance EGO II Does that mean the only way to administer the machine is to be the first-ever user, or to have that user create you and make you a member of "wheel"? That would seem logical, as that's the way it's done in other operating systems: the first-ever user creates other users having administrative privileges, and no one may ever, under any circumstances, administer the machine /without/ having those privileges. Of course, it's easy enough to switch users, especially in KDE. Just so long as everyone's on the same page. And so long as one can upgrade from F28 to F29. Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Regionset - a little known utility that is a globetrotter's friend
Everyone: I don't bring a question or a complaint here. I want to mention a utility I never even knew was part of Fedora. But it is, and it's a great boon to anyone who wants to sample DVD content from regions other than your region of residence. It's called: regionset. It resets the region code of any internal /or external/ DVD player/burner, /no matter how it's connected/. I just used it to reset the region on a USB-connected external burner (Samsung/TSST BDDVDW SE-506BB TS00). Installation is a breeze. If you have the Fedora repos enabled (and, being in this community, of course you do), execute: sudo dnf install regionset (Replace "sudo" with "su -c" if you're not a member of the "wheel" group.) To use, execute: sudo regionset /dev/dvd where you replace "dvd" with a particular device name. (My system does not use the dvd name. It numbers my drives sr0, sr1, etc. I used vlc to figure out the device name.) Make sure you load a disk in the drive before you begin! Otherwise it will throw an error and tell you to make sure you put a readable disk in. When you get through, you get back the make and model of the drive, the current region code (if it has one--the SE-506BB didn't have one), how many times the /vendor/ can change the code, and how many times /you/ (the user) can change the code. Then it asks you whether you want to change the code or not. If you do, then it asks you to specify a region (1 through 8, according to convention) and confirm twice. (The second confirmation shows you the proper "back mask." Second-guessing that is an advanced concept.) If successful, it will confirm that for you. What does that mean? Well, if you're used to traveling extensively and picking up optical media along the way, you need to do one of two things: 1. Shell out big bucks (or quid or euros or whatever) to buy a multiregion player. (Do /not/ bother with the old region-free players! Studios are wise to that and now encrypt their disks so that they will play in one region and /only/ one region. If your player doesn't have the code to match, you're out of luck. Which is why I /had to/ set the region on my SE-506BB to play anything other than a Region 1 disk. But some of the new players will read the region code on the disk and adapt to it pro-actively.) 2. Have at least one drive available so that you can reset its region. Depending on how many regions you regularly visit, I'd recommend buying as many external USB drives as you have regions (other than your home region) you travel to, setting one for each region, and labeling them. Problem solved. Of course if you travel the whole world, you might as well get one of those standalone multi-region machines. Beyond a certain point, you'll pay more for the extra drives than for one device. (Except for one thing: when you're on the road, those little portable drives are a lot easier to carry, and to power up, than a big monster you have to lug around and entrust to non-gentloe baggage handlers and customs officers!) I don't do that. I use disks from Regions 1 and 2. (Some titles aren't available in Region 1, and my retailer will import them.) I then /rip/ the disks so I have the playable files on hand. But: /to do that, I needed a drive set to Region 2 to rip my Region 2 material/. Now I have that. And I just used MakeMKV to rip a Region 2 disk. Success. Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Makemkv Incompatible with mmdtsdec
On 05/10/2018 07:29 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 05/11/18 07:13, Temlakos wrote: What sort of problems does that "overlap" cause, and how does one work around them? They both contain some of the same packages. You may run into a situation where a package is updated in one repo but you have another package from the other repo which is still dependent on the older version of that package. So, you may find it necessary to use the "exclude" directive in a repo's config file so you only get it from the other repo. Sounds easy enough in principle. Where do I find the full syntax and usage of the "exclude" directive? I'm about to make my upgrade. Knowing I can activate another repo to provide makemkv--and keep it up-to-date--should make my life a little easier, on balance. What's the best way to activate the negativo repo when doing a clean install? Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Makemkv Incompatible with mmdtsdec
On 05/10/2018 07:11 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 05/11/18 06:42, Temlakos wrote: Just a minute. Are you saying makemkv is now on a repository or repositories that has an F28 version? A repository anyone can activate and, by so activating, install makemkv without having to compile and link it from a tarball? Yes. https://negativo17.org/multimedia/ and makemkv-1.12.2-2.fc28.x86_64.rpm is their current version. Take care if you're using rpmfusion repos since there is overlap in what they provide. Thank you. What sort of problems does that "overlap" cause, and how does one work around them? Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Makemkv Incompatible with mmdtsdec
On 05/10/2018 06:39 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 05/11/18 05:16, Stephen Morris wrote: I'm now even more confused after having used --allowerasing, even though it got rid of the messages, issuing dnf info makemkv and dnf info mmdtsdec, the version of mmdtsdec listed in the message is the only version available and is still installed, and the makemkv upgrade listed in the message is still available but the older version is the one that is actually installed, so as I said above I'm now even more confused about what --allowerasing actually did. You are now on F28, yes? Also, you are getting those packages from the negativo repositories, yes? If that is true, I'm guess you have the F27 versions of those packages currently installed? This is a guess since I don't use their repository. But, it seems like makemkv-1.12.2-2.fc28 may no longer require one to install mmdtsdec as there is no mmdtsdec in their F28 repository. So, you can try upgrading makemkv to see what happens. And/or, you could remove both mkemkv and mmdtsdec and then install makemkv. I don't think that will try to pull in any version of mmdtsdec. Just a minute. Are you saying makemkv is now on a repository or repositories that has an F28 version? A repository anyone can activate and, by so activating, install makemkv without having to compile and link it from a tarball? Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: The /crypt method to support habitual clean installs of Fedora without losing data
On 05/02/2018 06:59 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 05/02/2018 02:49 PM, Temlakos wrote: On 05/02/2018 05:39 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: Are you trying to remove all the user configuration files as well? If so, then just turn on "show hidden files" in Nautilus and delete the dot directories. But of course, only do that if you really want to have to reconfigure everything again. Here is the primary benefit I derived from this method. Each user's home directory has a number of hidden files (whose names begin with a dot) that contain configuration variables. After several iterations of the operating system, errors accumulate in those files. This results as much from the sheer obsolescence of certain configuration files and their parameters as from careless handling of the desktop. In my case, I had several icons of Mozilla Firefox in my system tray that I could not for the life of me remove. Furthermore, a password manager I liked to use, simply refused to load. So just delete the dot directories as I mentioned above. If you really want to do it for all the users, then run: sudo rm -rf /home/*/.??* and don't mistype that! Mounting /home on a separate filesystem does nothing to solve the problem of the accumulated errors of configuration. You asked whether I have to reconfigure everything. That's just it: yes. Because especially after several iterations of "dnf system-upgrade," the configuration is a mess! I have only very rarely (single digit number of times) had an issue with configuration files and when I did, I just deleted that specific application's config files. I generally want my config files to stay around. But mounting user data, like the contents of Documents, Pictures, etc., and even the contents of hidden application-specific directories like .mozilla (for Firefox) and .thunderbird, /does/ eliminate the problem. The errant files get erased with the rest of the filesystem, but the good user data remains. Actually thinking about this, you would have to recreate all the user directories and the symlinks again (with the right permissions) after you do the reinstall! Is that really easier? Now for that matter, I remind you that if you're going to mount a separate file system as /home, you still have to use a command that will make the mounting permanent and not something you have to execute every time you start the system up. So maybe you can tell me what the syntax of the mount command would be for that. I'm sure I can adapt that to the system I borrowed from that other user. You add a line to the /etc/fstab file to automatically mount it at boot. Now I'd like to know the syntax of that line. Now about zero-ing out the configuration files: the problem is that the configuration involved is the /desktop/ configuration. Application configuration is fine, especially Firefox, thunderbird, and a specialized program called MakeMKV where I like to retain registration keys. But the KDE configuration really suffers, and suffers at every major upgrade--meaning from one version of Fedora to the next. That's when the biggest changes take place. Suddenly all bets are off, and the old configurations are obsolete. The further trouble is that if I just erase the configuration files, some of these programs won't load. Better to start fresh. Prize example: the inauguration of the dnfupdater to replace Apper for software management. I did not see that one coming, and I doubt the automatic upgrade would have been kind to it. Symlinks are easy enough to re-create. I'm writing a script to do them all at once. All it will take is a simple re-execution. Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: The /crypt method to support habitual clean installs of Fedora without losing data
On 05/02/2018 05:39 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 05/02/2018 02:24 PM, Temlakos wrote: One of you (I don't know who it was) shared with me an excellent method of making possible a clean reinstallation of Fedora--going above and beyond the "manual upgrade" described in the Installation Guide, that amounts to erasing the /root directory but leaving alone all other directories, not only /home but /usr, /etc, /bin, /tmp, /var, and any others I might have left out. This method preserves user data on a physically separate filesystem (an HDD or SSD). But it does not mount this separate filesystem as /home. The /home directory remains a part of the main filesystem and gets erased and reinaugurated, just like /usr, /etc, /var, and all the rest of them. I really don't understand what the benefit of this is. Your /home directory should be on a separate partition from / and won't be erased even with a full reinstall of the OS. $ sudo mkdir /crypt $ sudo mount -t ext4 /dev/sdb2 /crypt (Here I start with "$ sudo" instead of "#" because to get a "#" prompt I have to execute "su," and that can be dangerous.) How is "su" dangerous? Either way you're running a command as root. I generally use "sudo -i" to get to a root prompt. The syntax for establishing a symlink is even simpler: ln -s /crypt/UserName/Dir where UserName is the name of a specific created user, and Dir is Documents, Pictures, Music, Public, Templates, Videos, and anything else I want to preserve from one iteration of Fedora to the next. Of course I have to remove the "hard" directories that Fedora normally sets up before I execute these link commands. Are you trying to remove all the user configuration files as well? If so, then just turn on "show hidden files" in Nautilus and delete the dot directories. But of course, only do that if you really want to have to reconfigure everything again. The use of "/crypt" suggests that the original use may have been to only encrypt some parts of the user folders, but that still seems way too complicated to be useful. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Here is the primary benefit I derived from this method. Each user's home directory has a number of hidden files (whose names begin with a dot) that contain configuration variables. After several iterations of the operating system, errors accumulate in those files. This results as much from the sheer obsolescence of certain configuration files and their parameters as from careless handling of the desktop. In my case, I had several icons of Mozilla Firefox in my system tray that I could not for the life of me remove. Furthermore, a password manager I liked to use, simply refused to load. Mounting /home on a separate filesystem does nothing to solve the problem of the accumulated errors of configuration. You asked whether I have to reconfigure everything. That's just it: yes. Because especially after several iterations of "dnf system-upgrade," the configuration is a mess! But mounting user data, like the contents of Documents, Pictures, etc., and even the contents of hidden application-specific directories like .mozilla (for Firefox) and .thunderbird, /does/ eliminate the problem. The errant files get erased with the rest of the filesystem, but the good user data remains. Now for that matter, I remind you that if you're going to mount a separate file system as /home, you still have to use a command that will make the mounting permanent and not something you have to execute every time you start the system up. So maybe you can tell me what the syntax of the mount command would be for that. I'm sure I can adapt that to the system I borrowed from that other user. By the way: the danger of "su" is the danger of continuous operations as root, and forgetting that you are in fact logged in as root. Whereas "sudo" gives you superuser privileges for that command only, then reverts you to a non-privileged state. That stops you from deleting a root-owned directory by accident. Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
The /crypt method to support habitual clean installs of Fedora without losing data
Everyone: One of you (I don't know who it was) shared with me an excellent method of making possible a clean reinstallation of Fedora--going above and beyond the "manual upgrade" described in the Installation Guide, that amounts to erasing the /root directory but leaving alone all other directories, not only /home but /usr, /etc, /bin, /tmp, /var, and any others I might have left out. This method preserves user data on a physically separate filesystem (an HDD or SSD). But it does not mount this separate filesystem as /home. The /home directory remains a part of the main filesystem and gets erased and reinaugurated, just like /usr, /etc, /var, and all the rest of them. Rather, one establishes another mount point called /crypt and mounts the second filesystem at that point. On that filesystem, one creates (as the SuperUser or as a Wheel member) a separate directory for every user account. Within each user-account directory, are the directories named Documents, Pictures, Music, Public, Templates, Videos, and whatever other directories have you (including bin, which I find indispensible to my operations). On the original "home directory" of each user, one erases all these standard directories and sets up symbolic links to the directories residing on the second filesystem and addressable as /crypt/UserName/Documents (or Pictures or whatever) (where you replace "UserName" with the name of a registered user of the system). The problem I have now: I've forgotten the specific syntax of the mount command, which I have to use to mount the /crypt filesystem /and make sure it stays mounted/ between one session and the next. Before I begin my "clean reinstall" of Fedora 28, I'd like to review the required commands, especially "mount" and "ln". I also think this method would be of benefit to anyone here who would like to preserve user data but wants to make sure that /all/ the directories in the main filesystem get cleaned up. You see, for several iterations of Fedora, I tried using the automatic upgrade method. The problem: certain "dirty configuration statements," for lack of a better term, kept propagating from one iteration to the next. With the result that Fedora 26 was an inoperable mess and I was glad to start "clean" with Fedora 27. Of course I also acquired two Solid State Drives, one 150 GB and one 1 TB, and sought the best way to use both to support truly "clean" installs. Whoever you are, let me give a shout-out to you, and ask you to remind me again what steps to take, and the syntax of the key commands I need. Or you can check me on this: The syntax I have worked out for the commands to mount the auxiliary filesystem as /crypt is: $ sudo mkdir /crypt $ sudo mount -t ext4 /dev/sdb2 /crypt (Here I start with "$ sudo" instead of "#" because to get a "#" prompt I have to execute "su," and that can be dangerous.) The syntax for establishing a symlink is even simpler: ln -s /crypt/UserName/Dir where UserName is the name of a specific created user, and Dir is Documents, Pictures, Music, Public, Templates, Videos, and anything else I want to preserve from one iteration of Fedora to the next. Of course I have to remove the "hard" directories that Fedora normally sets up before I execute these link commands. To whoever invented this method: am I missing anything? Thank you in advance. Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Upgrade Fedora 27 to Fedora 28.
On 05/02/2018 11:29 AM, Ger van Dijck wrote: Hi Fedora people , When trying to update from Fedora 27 to Fedora 28 , following the upgrade protocol wich functionates perfect , I get the message : transaction check error : /boot /efi/EFI/fedora from install of grub2-common-1:2.02-34.fc28.noarch conflicts with file from package fwupdate-efi-8-4.fc26.686 . What now ? Greetings , Ger van Dijck . Try passing the --allowerasing switch on your command line. I used to do that myself. That is, before someone shared with me the "cryptic" solution (basically mounting another physical HDD or SSD at the mount point /crypt and creating symlinks to all top-level directories of all user accounts) to doing clean installs that preserve user data but do not preserve outdated configuration data. Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 28 today?
On 05/01/2018 09:48 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 05/01/18 18:52, Danny Horne via users wrote: Just checked the release schedule, and target #1 has been crossed off the list, meaning (by my understanding) that today is the confirmed release date. Anyone know if an official announcement will be made here? If not, where are official announcements made? Or, just look at https://getfedora.org/ and see. Fedora 28 released! Get it now The ISO images are present, including my favorite, which is KDE. But the release notes are not present, nor do I see any way to get the CHECKSUM files they keep talking about. Nor is the Complete Installation Guide present. All attempts to follow those links resolve, if you call it that, to the HTTP 404 (File Not Found) page. Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: How to install the new Video Download Helper Companion App and have Firefox recognize it
On 03/05/2018 08:20 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 03/06/18 07:12, Temlakos wrote: On 03/05/2018 02:56 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 03/05/18 23:24, Temlakos wrote: [Temlakos@temlakos Other]$ youtube-dl https://youtu.be/mqbcEw7AkU8 [youtube] mqbcEw7AkU8: Downloading webpage ERROR: Unable to download webpage: (caused by URLError(gaierror(-2, 'Name or service not known'),)) This is telling you that DNS resolution isn't working. What do you get for host youtu.be [Temlakos@temlakos ~]$ host youtu.be youtu.be has address 172.217.10.238 youtu.be has IPv6 address 2607:f8b0:4006:81b::200e youtu.be mail is handled by 10 aspmx.l.google.com. youtu.be mail is handled by 10 gmr-smtp-in.l.google.com. youtu.be mail is handled by 30 alt2.aspmx.l.google.com. youtu.be mail is handled by 50 alt4.aspmx.l.google.com. youtu.be mail is handled by 40 alt3.aspmx.l.google.com. youtu.be mail is handled by 20 alt1.aspmx.l.google.com. [Temlakos@temlakos ~]$ Well, that is what you should get. I can only reproduce the error you're seeing by modifying /etc/resolv.conf to break DNS. So, why it isn't working on your system is a mystery. youtube-dl is written in python. If you know how to debug it, you should. Or, if you've made manually changes to your system in the area of python you may want to check your work. It would appear that my system can resolve domains like "youtube.com" but not the short form "youtu.be". Because I just tried a download using the long-form URL--the standard URL to which you always navigate, not the short-form URL you get from the "share" routine. The download worked, exactly as your example did, even to producing a good Matroska video file. Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: How to install the new Video Download Helper Companion App and have Firefox recognize it
On 03/05/2018 02:56 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 03/05/18 23:24, Temlakos wrote: [Temlakos@temlakos Other]$ youtube-dl https://youtu.be/mqbcEw7AkU8 [youtube] mqbcEw7AkU8: Downloading webpage ERROR: Unable to download webpage: (caused by URLError(gaierror(-2, 'Name or service not known'),)) This is telling you that DNS resolution isn't working. What do you get for host youtu.be [Temlakos@temlakos ~]$ host youtu.be youtu.be has address 172.217.10.238 youtu.be has IPv6 address 2607:f8b0:4006:81b::200e youtu.be mail is handled by 10 aspmx.l.google.com. youtu.be mail is handled by 10 gmr-smtp-in.l.google.com. youtu.be mail is handled by 30 alt2.aspmx.l.google.com. youtu.be mail is handled by 50 alt4.aspmx.l.google.com. youtu.be mail is handled by 40 alt3.aspmx.l.google.com. youtu.be mail is handled by 20 alt1.aspmx.l.google.com. [Temlakos@temlakos ~]$ ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: How to install the new Video Download Helper Companion App and have Firefox recognize it
On 03/05/2018 10:09 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 03/05/18 23:00, Temlakos wrote: On 03/05/2018 09:50 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 03/05/18 22:45, Temlakos wrote: I've tried three times to download videos, and each time I'm getting a fatal error: "Name or service not known." How do I get past that? Do you think it is possible for anyone to answer that question without your giving specific examples of what you've done? Try this: $ youtube-dl -i "https://youtu.be/mqbcEw7AkU8; [egreshko@meimei ~]$ youtube-dl https://youtu.be/mqbcEw7AkU8 [youtube] mqbcEw7AkU8: Downloading webpage [youtube] mqbcEw7AkU8: Downloading video info webpage [youtube] mqbcEw7AkU8: Extracting video information [download] Destination: David Hogg Supercollection-mqbcEw7AkU8.f247.webm [download] 100% of 33.94MiB in 00:07 [download] Destination: David Hogg Supercollection-mqbcEw7AkU8.f251.webm [download] 100% of 4.41MiB in 00:00 [ffmpeg] Merging formats into "David Hogg Supercollection-mqbcEw7AkU8.webm" Deleting original file David Hogg Supercollection-mqbcEw7AkU8.f247.webm (pass -k to keep) Deleting original file David Hogg Supercollection-mqbcEw7AkU8.f251.webm (pass -k to keep) and mplayer plays the video just fine. [Temlakos@temlakos ~]$ cd Videos/Other [Temlakos@temlakos Other]$ youtube-dl https://youtu.be/mqbcEw7AkU8 [youtube] mqbcEw7AkU8: Downloading webpage ERROR: Unable to download webpage: service not known> (caused by URLError(gaierror(-2, 'Name or service not known'),)) [Temlakos@temlakos Other]$ ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: How to install the new Video Download Helper Companion App and have Firefox recognize it
On 03/05/2018 09:50 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 03/05/18 22:45, Temlakos wrote: I've tried three times to download videos, and each time I'm getting a fatal error: "Name or service not known." How do I get past that? Do you think it is possible for anyone to answer that question without your giving specific examples of what you've done? Try this: $ youtube-dl -i "https://youtu.be/mqbcEw7AkU8; Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: How to install the new Video Download Helper Companion App and have Firefox recognize it
On 03/05/2018 08:22 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 03/05/18 20:39, Temlakos wrote: All right: what commands does one use with youtube-dl? Is that a command-line application? I suspect I might already have it in my system--but I thought "dl" meant "dynamic linking," same as in MS Windows. Does "-dl" mean "download" instead? If so, I'd love to have a full set of commands so I can bag me some videos before YouTube takes them down. dnf install youtube-dl [egreshko@meimei ~]$ dnf info youtube-dl Last metadata expiration check: 7 days, 14:27:04 ago on Mon 26 Feb 2018 06:54:20 AM CST. Installed Packages Name : youtube-dl Version : 2018.02.08 Release : 2.fc27 Arch : noarch Size : 8.4 M Source : youtube-dl-2018.02.08-2.fc27.src.rpm Repo : @System From repo : updates Summary : A small command-line program to download online videos URL : https://yt-dl.org License : Unlicense Description : Small command-line program to download videos from YouTube and other : sites. And then the one thing many people forget man youtube-dl I've tried three times to download videos, and each time I'm getting a fatal error: "Name or service not known." How do I get past that? Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: How to install the new Video Download Helper Companion App and have Firefox recognize it
On 03/05/2018 02:25 AM, Javier Perez wrote: I switched to youtube-dl It was too much pain trying to make VDH to behave. All right: what commands does one use with youtube-dl? Is that a command-line application? I suspect I might already have it in my system--but I thought "dl" meant "dynamic linking," same as in MS Windows. Does "-dl" mean "download" instead? If so, I'd love to have a full set of commands so I can bag me some videos before YouTube takes them down. Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: How to install the new Video Download Helper Companion App and have Firefox recognize it
On 02/23/2018 04:40 PM, Andras Simon wrote: 2018-02-23 13:48 GMT+01:00, Temlakos <temla...@gmail.com>: Everyone: Firefox crippled most of its extensions beginning with Version 57. (Why they borrowed technology from Google, I'll never know.) The developers of the Video Download Helper responded by creating a Companion Application. I have tried installing that application dozens of times. But /Firefox refuses to recognize it/. And without that recognition, VDH will not download most videos from YouTube. (Was that the idea?) Has anyone gotten that companion app to work? If so, how may I do it? Works for me... I downloaded the tar.gz file and followed the instructions: tar -xf net.downloadhelper.coapp-1.1.3-1_amd64.tar.gz -C ~ ~/net.downloadhelper.coapp-1.1.3/bin/net.downloadhelper.coapp-linux-64 install --user If you want to download videos from youtube, youtube-dl may be more convenient. Andras ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Did it make any difference that I tried to install it system-wide, and not for a user only? Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
How to install the new Video Download Helper Companion App and have Firefox recognize it
Everyone: Firefox crippled most of its extensions beginning with Version 57. (Why they borrowed technology from Google, I'll never know.) The developers of the Video Download Helper responded by creating a Companion Application. I have tried installing that application dozens of times. But /Firefox refuses to recognize it/. And without that recognition, VDH will not download most videos from YouTube. (Was that the idea?) Has anyone gotten that companion app to work? If so, how may I do it? Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Cannot upgrade libdvdcss after a recent upgrade push
On 02/10/2018 05:02 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 02/10/2018 10:46 AM, Temlakos wrote: I think you mean to suggest to bring it to the RPM Fusion list. They confirmed to me that they are the place to discuss all things Livna. They managed to solve my problem, by the way. Could you say how that was solved? I'm trying to figure out why there's a new package there signed by an unknown key. The problem is: the Livna repository is supposed to be dead. Another user named Remi is maintaining the one remaining package that RPM Fusion didn't take over (and likely put into its Nonfree and Ugly repos). Anyway, someone gave me this pathway to the proper key: https://rpms.remirepo.net/RPM-GPG-KEY-remi2017 So: execute sudo rpm --import https://rpms.remirepo.net/RPM-GPG-KEY-remi2017 to verify the signature on future updates of this package. The package doesn't see updates too often. But it did this morning. Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Cannot upgrade libdvdcss after a recent upgrade push
On 02/10/2018 09:50 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 02/10/18 22:21, Temlakos wrote: Everyone: This morning I received a notice that a new version of libdvdcss was available. But when I tried to upgrade it, the upgrade choked on a problem with the GPG key. Note the repository is "livna". This is not a repository for which the Fedora Community has responsibility. So, contact the "livna" folks. I think you mean to suggest to bring it to the RPM Fusion list. They confirmed to me that they are the place to discuss all things Livna. They managed to solve my problem, by the way. Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Cannot upgrade libdvdcss after a recent upgrade push
Everyone: This morning I received a notice that a new version of libdvdcss was available. But when I tried to upgrade it, the upgrade choked on a problem with the GPG key. Here is the output of "sudo dnf upgrade libdvdcss," redacted to remove references to my username: Last metadata expiration check: 2:03:45 ago on Sat 10 Feb 2018 06:32:25 AM EST. Dependencies resolved. = Package Arch Version Repository Size = Upgrading: libdvdcss x86_64 1.4.1-1.fc27.remi livna 71 k Transaction Summary = Upgrade 1 Package Total size: 71 k Is this ok [y/N]: y Downloading Packages: [SKIPPED] libdvdcss-1.4.1-1.fc27.remi.x86_64.rpm: Already downloaded warning: /var/cache/dnf/livna-cec64278843bd06c/packages/libdvdcss-1.4.1-1.fc27.remi.x86_64.rpm: Header V4 RSA/SHA256 Signature, key ID 0364b949: NOKEY Importing GPG key 0xA109B1EC: Userid : "Livna.org rpms <rpm-...@livna.org>" Fingerprint: 037B 5D9B E1B6 B673 2A23 13B5 7129 5441 A109 B1EC From : /etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-livna Is this ok [y/N]: y Key imported successfully Import of key(s) didn't help, wrong key(s)? Public key for libdvdcss-1.4.1-1.fc27.remi.x86_64.rpm is not installed. Failing package is: libdvdcss-1.4.1-1.fc27.remi.x86_64 GPG Keys are configured as: file:///etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-livna The downloaded packages were saved in cache until the next successful transaction. You can remove cached packages by executing 'dnf clean packages'. Error: GPG check FAILED [username@hostname ~]$ All right, so it's the wrong key. Now how and where do I get the /right/ key? Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Epson XP-860: available printer driver won't print in duplex - SOLVED
On 02/09/2018 03:43 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 02/09/18 23:09, Temlakos wrote: On 01/30/2018 06:20 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 01/30/18 19:13, Temlakos wrote: On 01/29/2018 10:52 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 01/30/18 11:27, Temlakos wrote: Recently I bought an Epson XP-860, to replace the XP-810 that finally quit on me after many long years of service. But when I went to install a printer driver, I found that duplex printing is simply not available. It might or might not be significant that the recommended printer drivers are Epson XP-820 CUPS/Gutenprint drivers, regular and simplified. I tried installing the Epson Printer Utility from the Epson site. But that doesn't seem to do anything to make full duplex available. You installed epson-inkjet-printer-escpr? No, that I did not. Should I? What configuration options should I specify? Yes, I believe you should. And when you configure the driver you should specify the ppd file Epson-XP-860_Series-epson-escpr-en.ppd.gz. And where is that file available? I have searched high and low using what I think is a reputable and powerful search engine, under every kind of phrase. All I get is a link to an rpm file I already have, and have already installed. I looked specifically for the link to download the ppd file you named, and have not found it. Anywhere. Look in /usr/share/ppd/Epson/epson-inkjet-printer-escpr Actually, the configuration routine found the driver without my having to specify it manually. The package obviously installed a long list of ppd files. I found the right one and was then able to specify an option for full-duplex printing, long edge or short. Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Epson XP-860: available printer driver won't print in duplex
On 01/30/2018 06:20 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 01/30/18 19:13, Temlakos wrote: On 01/29/2018 10:52 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 01/30/18 11:27, Temlakos wrote: Recently I bought an Epson XP-860, to replace the XP-810 that finally quit on me after many long years of service. But when I went to install a printer driver, I found that duplex printing is simply not available. It might or might not be significant that the recommended printer drivers are Epson XP-820 CUPS/Gutenprint drivers, regular and simplified. I tried installing the Epson Printer Utility from the Epson site. But that doesn't seem to do anything to make full duplex available. You installed epson-inkjet-printer-escpr? No, that I did not. Should I? What configuration options should I specify? Yes, I believe you should. And when you configure the driver you should specify the ppd file Epson-XP-860_Series-epson-escpr-en.ppd.gz. And where is that file available? I have searched high and low using what I think is a reputable and powerful search engine, under every kind of phrase. All I get is a link to an rpm file I already have, and have already installed. I looked specifically for the link to download the ppd file you named, and have not found it. Anywhere. Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Epson XP-860: available printer driver won't print in duplex
On 01/29/2018 10:52 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 01/30/18 11:27, Temlakos wrote: Recently I bought an Epson XP-860, to replace the XP-810 that finally quit on me after many long years of service. But when I went to install a printer driver, I found that duplex printing is simply not available. It might or might not be significant that the recommended printer drivers are Epson XP-820 CUPS/Gutenprint drivers, regular and simplified. I tried installing the Epson Printer Utility from the Epson site. But that doesn't seem to do anything to make full duplex available. You installed epson-inkjet-printer-escpr? No, that I did not. Should I? What configuration options should I specify? Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Epson XP-860: available printer driver won't print in duplex
Everyone: Recently I bought an Epson XP-860, to replace the XP-810 that finally quit on me after many long years of service. But when I went to install a printer driver, I found that duplex printing is simply not available. It might or might not be significant that the recommended printer drivers are Epson XP-820 CUPS/Gutenprint drivers, regular and simplified. I tried installing the Epson Printer Utility from the Epson site. But that doesn't seem to do anything to make full duplex available. Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
PDF viewers: suggestions? reviews?
Everyone:
Funny, the things one learns after making the first clean install in ten
or more iterations of Fedora.
For instance, that Adobe long ago abandoned the Adobe ("Acrobat") Reader
for Linux, and the nspluginwrapper project.
So that now, if you still want to use Adobe for Linux, you have to save
an old rpm and install it directly. And do it every time you reinstall
Fedora--or at least reinstall it cleanly.
I need advice on whether I can abandon Adobe Reader completely, and what
to use instead.
I use it all the time for certain PDF's that come with form fields that
you fill out. Not all PDF viewers--and not the PDF viewer native to
Firefox--support form filling. Without form filling, I have to fill in
forms by hand--and my fist is a bit of a strain on anyone's eyes,
especially those of a bureaucrat or his confidential secretary. So I
need form filling.
That aside, I'd love to have something that opens seemlessly in any
browser window.
For the record, I use KDE. But I'll still use any GNOME products that
still open in KDE.
Temlakos
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Re: Missing openssl library files?
On 12/22/2017 01:14 PM, Richard Shaw wrote:
Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 10:36 AM, Temlakos <temla...@gmail.com
<mailto:temla...@gmail.com>> wrote:
checking openssl/opensslconf.h usability... no
checking openssl/opensslconf.h presence... no
checking for openssl/opensslconf.h... no
configure: error: in
`/home/Temlakos/Downloads/makemkv/makemkv-oss-1.10.8':
configure: error: openssl library header files not found
See `config.log' for more details
I've had to use compat-openssl10-devel since Fedora 26 for makemkv.
Also, if you're going to be building your own software I would recommend:
# dnf groupinstall "Development Tools"
Thanks,
Richard
How do I get a list of the groups dnf recognizes? That kind of group
installation would solve a lot of problems. Heretofore, it has been
available as a GUI only, and then only on initial installation of the
OS. To be able to do it on the fly...!
Temlakos
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Re: Missing openssl library files?
On 12/22/2017 12:35 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: On 12/22/2017 09:24 AM, Temlakos wrote: On 12/22/2017 11:49 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 11:36:44 -0500 Temlakos wrote: Anyone ever run into this? And how to fix it? Virtually everything in fedora has separate *-devel packages that contain the stuff you need to build code using those libs (separate from just the libs needed to run already built programs). For instance: openssl-devel-1.1.0g-1.fc27.x86_64 ___ OK. I went through several cycles of installing -devel packages. The configure script finally worked. But when I ran the make command, I got this output: mkdir -p out gcc -g -O2 -D_linux_ -D_REENTRANT -shared -Wl,-z,defs -oout/libdriveio.so.0.full -I./libdriveio/inc libdriveio/src/infolist.cpp libdriveio/src/scsihlp.cpp libdriveio/src/srlist.cpp libdriveio/src/stdquery.cpp libdriveio/src/tipclient.cpp libdriveio/src/tipcommon.cpp libdriveio/src/tipserver.cpp libdriveio/src/drives/pioneer.cpp libdriveio/src/drives/xboxhddvd.cpp \ -fPIC -Xlinker -dy -Xlinker --version-script=libdriveio/src/libdriveio.vers \ -Xlinker -soname=libdriveio.so.0 -lc -lstdc++ gcc: error trying to exec 'cc1plus': execvp: No such file or directory gcc: error trying to exec 'cc1plus': execvp: No such file or directory gcc: error trying to exec 'cc1plus': execvp: No such file or directory gcc: error trying to exec 'cc1plus': execvp: No such file or directory gcc: error trying to exec 'cc1plus': execvp: No such file or directory gcc: error trying to exec 'cc1plus': execvp: No such file or directory gcc: error trying to exec 'cc1plus': execvp: No such file or directory gcc: error trying to exec 'cc1plus': execvp: No such file or directory gcc: error trying to exec 'cc1plus': execvp: No such file or directory make: *** [Makefile:69: out/libdriveio.so.0.full] Error 1 Now what? Install gcc-c++. It's C++ you're trying to compile (as shown by the ".cpp" suffix). You could also do "dnf whatprovides */cc1plus" to get a list of what RPMs provide that program. You'll get a batch of them, but for native compiles, just use "dnf install gcc-c++". Happy Holidays! Success. Thank you all. Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Missing openssl library files?
On 12/22/2017 11:49 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 11:36:44 -0500 Temlakos wrote: Anyone ever run into this? And how to fix it? Virtually everything in fedora has separate *-devel packages that contain the stuff you need to build code using those libs (separate from just the libs needed to run already built programs). For instance: openssl-devel-1.1.0g-1.fc27.x86_64 ___ OK. I went through several cycles of installing -devel packages. The configure script finally worked. But when I ran the make command, I got this output: mkdir -p out gcc -g -O2 -D_linux_ -D_REENTRANT -shared -Wl,-z,defs -oout/libdriveio.so.0.full -I./libdriveio/inc libdriveio/src/infolist.cpp libdriveio/src/scsihlp.cpp libdriveio/src/srlist.cpp libdriveio/src/stdquery.cpp libdriveio/src/tipclient.cpp libdriveio/src/tipcommon.cpp libdriveio/src/tipserver.cpp libdriveio/src/drives/pioneer.cpp libdriveio/src/drives/xboxhddvd.cpp \ -fPIC -Xlinker -dy -Xlinker --version-script=libdriveio/src/libdriveio.vers \ -Xlinker -soname=libdriveio.so.0 -lc -lstdc++ gcc: error trying to exec 'cc1plus': execvp: No such file or directory gcc: error trying to exec 'cc1plus': execvp: No such file or directory gcc: error trying to exec 'cc1plus': execvp: No such file or directory gcc: error trying to exec 'cc1plus': execvp: No such file or directory gcc: error trying to exec 'cc1plus': execvp: No such file or directory gcc: error trying to exec 'cc1plus': execvp: No such file or directory gcc: error trying to exec 'cc1plus': execvp: No such file or directory gcc: error trying to exec 'cc1plus': execvp: No such file or directory gcc: error trying to exec 'cc1plus': execvp: No such file or directory make: *** [Makefile:69: out/libdriveio.so.0.full] Error 1 Now what? Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Missing openssl library files?
On 12/22/2017 11:43 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Fri, 2017-12-22 at 11:36 -0500, Temlakos wrote: Any ideas? dnf install makemkv poc ___ "Error: unable to find a match." MakeMKV is one of the Last of the Tarballs. In fact you need /two/ tarballs to put it together. For details: https://www.makemkv.com/ For details on how you're supposed to install in on Linux systems, see: http://www.makemkv.com/forum2/viewtopic.php?f=3=224 For the record, back when I was using a Fedora that had seen upgrade after upgrade, I successfully installed it. But I needed to do a fresh install. And now I cannot "make" the program. Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Missing openssl library files?
Everyone: Anyone ever run into this? And how to fix it? This is a fresh install of F27. I tried to build a program called MakeMKV. Here's the output of the configure script: checking build system type... x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu checking host system type... x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu checking target system type... x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu checking how to print strings... printf checking for gcc... gcc checking whether the C compiler works... yes checking for C compiler default output file name... a.out checking for suffix of executables... checking whether we are cross compiling... no checking for suffix of object files... o checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... yes checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes checking for gcc option to accept ISO C89... none needed checking for a sed that does not truncate output... /usr/bin/sed checking for grep that handles long lines and -e... /usr/bin/grep checking for egrep... /usr/bin/grep -E checking for fgrep... /usr/bin/grep -F checking for ld used by gcc... /usr/bin/ld checking if the linker (/usr/bin/ld) is GNU ld... yes checking for BSD- or MS-compatible name lister (nm)... /usr/bin/nm -B checking the name lister (/usr/bin/nm -B) interface... BSD nm checking whether ln -s works... yes checking the maximum length of command line arguments... 1572864 checking whether the shell understands some XSI constructs... yes checking whether the shell understands "+="... yes checking how to convert x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu file names to x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu format... func_convert_file_noop checking how to convert x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu file names to toolchain format... func_convert_file_noop checking for /usr/bin/ld option to reload object files... -r checking for objdump... objdump checking how to recognize dependent libraries... pass_all checking for dlltool... no checking how to associate runtime and link libraries... printf %s\n checking for ar... ar checking for archiver @FILE support... @ checking for strip... strip checking for ranlib... ranlib checking for gawk... gawk checking command to parse /usr/bin/nm -B output from gcc object... ok checking for sysroot... no checking for mt... no checking if : is a manifest tool... no checking how to run the C preprocessor... gcc -E checking for ANSI C header files... yes checking for sys/types.h... yes checking for sys/stat.h... yes checking for stdlib.h... yes checking for string.h... yes checking for memory.h... yes checking for strings.h... yes checking for inttypes.h... yes checking for stdint.h... yes checking for unistd.h... yes checking for dlfcn.h... yes checking for objdir... .libs checking if gcc supports -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions... no checking for gcc option to produce PIC... -fPIC -DPIC checking if gcc PIC flag -fPIC -DPIC works... yes checking if gcc static flag -static works... no checking if gcc supports -c -o file.o... yes checking if gcc supports -c -o file.o... (cached) yes checking whether the gcc linker (/usr/bin/ld -m elf_x86_64) supports shared libraries... yes checking whether -lc should be explicitly linked in... no checking dynamic linker characteristics... GNU/Linux ld.so checking how to hardcode library paths into programs... immediate checking whether stripping libraries is possible... yes checking if libtool supports shared libraries... yes checking whether to build shared libraries... yes checking whether to build static libraries... no checking for gcc... (cached) gcc checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... (cached) yes checking whether gcc accepts -g... (cached) yes checking for gcc option to accept ISO C89... (cached) none needed checking for g++... no checking for c++... no checking for gpp... no checking for aCC... no checking for CC... no checking for cxx... no checking for cc++... no checking for cl.exe... no checking for FCC... no checking for KCC... no checking for RCC... no checking for xlC_r... no checking for xlC... no checking whether we are using the GNU C++ compiler... no checking whether g++ accepts -g... no checking for -objcopy... no checking for objcopy... objcopy checking for -ld... /usr/bin/ld -m elf_x86_64 checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c checking zlib.h usability... yes checking zlib.h presence... yes checking for zlib.h... yes checking for compress2 in -lz... yes checking openssl/opensslconf.h usability... no checking openssl/opensslconf.h presence... no checking for openssl/opensslconf.h... no configure: error: in `/home/Temlakos/Downloads/makemkv/makemkv-oss-1.10.8': configure: error: openssl library header files not found See `config.log' for more details Any ideas? Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Where are my configuration and service management tools?
On 12/22/2017 09:43 AM, Richard Shaw wrote: On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 8:39 AM, Temlakos <temla...@gmail.com <mailto:temla...@gmail.com>> wrote: Ran dnf as sudo. But I tried using "su" and it still ran into the same error--being unable to open the "group" file. Should I edit that file myself to add the group the scriptlet wants? No, there's an underlying reason this is failing and your don't want to mask it. If you open the file does anything stick out? Richard One thing only. The last two lines have a "*" instead of an "x" between the group name and the group id. So instead of: gamester:x:1001 I see gamester:*:1001 What's that for? I used KUser to create those last two groups. Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Where are my configuration and service management tools?
On 12/22/2017 09:23 AM, Richard Shaw wrote: On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 8:17 AM, Temlakos <temla...@gmail.com <mailto:temla...@gmail.com>> wrote: On 12/22/2017 09:10 AM, Richard Shaw wrote: On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 8:05 AM, Temlakos <temla...@gmail.com <mailto:temla...@gmail.com>> wrote: Running transaction Preparing : 1/1 Running scriptlet: cockpit-ws-158-1.fc27.x86_64 1/1 groupadd: cannot open /etc/group useradd: group 'cockpit-ws' does not exist Check your permissions on /etc/group... It should definitely exist... Richard Permissions are 644. To what should I set them instead? That's correct... Have you examined the contents? Or just try running dnf again... It shouldn't matter but are you running dnf as root or using sudo? Richard Ran dnf as sudo. But I tried using "su" and it still ran into the same error--being unable to open the "group" file. Should I edit that file myself to add the group the scriptlet wants? Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Where are my configuration and service management tools?
On 12/22/2017 09:11 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 08:24:40 -0500 Temlakos wrote: And now: what happened to my system configuration tools? How do I start and stop services? It is hopeless. Someone always "improves" things till they are useless. Learn the command line tools, they don't change out from under you as much. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Just figured out how to /enable/ and then to /start/ services. Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Where are my configuration and service management tools?
On 12/22/2017 09:10 AM, Richard Shaw wrote: On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 8:05 AM, Temlakos <temla...@gmail.com <mailto:temla...@gmail.com>> wrote: Running transaction Preparing : 1/1 Running scriptlet: cockpit-ws-158-1.fc27.x86_64 1/1 groupadd: cannot open /etc/group useradd: group 'cockpit-ws' does not exist Check your permissions on /etc/group... It should definitely exist... Richard Permissions are 644. To what should I set them instead? Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Where are my configuration and service management tools?
On 12/22/2017 08:42 AM, Richard Shaw wrote: On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 7:24 AM, Temlakos <temla...@gmail.com <mailto:temla...@gmail.com>> wrote: Everyone: I completed my installation of solid-state drives and, of course, a new installation of F27. And now: what happened to my system configuration tools? How do I start and stop services? My biggest problem is Samba. I can't see any Windows computers on my network, and they can't see me. (I can, however, see a network printer. That, I configured in the System Settings app.) There's a systemd gnome shell extension that you could use but personally I really like cockpit, both of which you can find in gnome-software. Cockpit is web based so you just point your browser to localhost:9090 and use your normal login. Thanks, Richard Just tried to install cockpit. DNF installed everything but cockpit-ws. I tried to install that separately and I got this output: Last metadata expiration check: 2:14:55 ago on Fri 22 Dec 2017 06:47:57 AM EST. Dependencies resolved. = Package Arch Version Repository Size = Installing: cockpit-ws x86_64 158-1.fc27 updates 799 k Transaction Summary = Install 1 Package Total download size: 799 k Installed size: 1.5 M Is this ok [y/N]: y Downloading Packages: [MIRROR] cockpit-ws-158-1.fc27.x86_64.rpm: Curl error (6): Couldn't resolve host name for http://mirror.math.princeton.edu/pub/fedora/linux/updates/27/x86_64/Packages/c/cockpit-ws-158-1.fc27.x86_64.rpm [Could not resolve host: mirror.math.princeton.edu] cockpit-ws-158-1.fc27.x86_64.rpm 38 kB/s | 799 kB 00:21 - Total 37 kB/s | 799 kB 00:21 Running transaction check Transaction check succeeded. Running transaction test Transaction test succeeded. Running transaction Preparing : 1/1 Running scriptlet: cockpit-ws-158-1.fc27.x86_64 1/1 groupadd: cannot open /etc/group useradd: group 'cockpit-ws' does not exist error: %prein(cockpit-ws-158-1.fc27.x86_64) scriptlet failed, exit status 6 Error in PREIN scriptlet in rpm package cockpit-ws Error in PREIN scriptlet in rpm package cockpit-ws cockpit-ws-158-1.fc27.x86_64 was supposed to be installed but is not! Verifying : cockpit-ws-158-1.fc27.x86_64 1/1 Failed: cockpit-ws.x86_64 158-1.fc27 Error: Transaction failed Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Where are my configuration and service management tools?
On 12/22/2017 08:51 AM, Richard Shaw wrote: On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 7:45 AM, Temlakos <temla...@gmail.com <mailto:temla...@gmail.com>> wrote: On 12/22/2017 08:42 AM, Richard Shaw wrote: On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 7:24 AM, Temlakos <temla...@gmail.com <mailto:temla...@gmail.com>> wrote: Everyone: I completed my installation of solid-state drives and, of course, a new installation of F27. And now: what happened to my system configuration tools? How do I start and stop services? My biggest problem is Samba. I can't see any Windows computers on my network, and they can't see me. (I can, however, see a network printer. That, I configured in the System Settings app.) There's a systemd gnome shell extension that you could use but personally I really like cockpit, both of which you can find in gnome-software. Cockpit is web based so you just point your browser to localhost:9090 and use your normal login. What is the KDE equivalent? I don't like to mix KDE and Gnome if I can avoid it. Found this thread, hopefully still relevant: https://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?303195-Is-there-a-GUI-for-systemctl Thanks, Richard No longer available. Search of Fedora Packages returns no results, and "dnf install systemctl-ui" returns "Error: unable to find a match." By now I have all the usual Fedora repos enabled, plus the RPM fusion repos (free and nonfree). Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Where are my configuration and service management tools?
On 12/22/2017 08:42 AM, Richard Shaw wrote: On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 7:24 AM, Temlakos <temla...@gmail.com <mailto:temla...@gmail.com>> wrote: Everyone: I completed my installation of solid-state drives and, of course, a new installation of F27. And now: what happened to my system configuration tools? How do I start and stop services? My biggest problem is Samba. I can't see any Windows computers on my network, and they can't see me. (I can, however, see a network printer. That, I configured in the System Settings app.) There's a systemd gnome shell extension that you could use but personally I really like cockpit, both of which you can find in gnome-software. Cockpit is web based so you just point your browser to localhost:9090 and use your normal login. Thanks, Richard What is the KDE equivalent? I don't like to mix KDE and Gnome if I can avoid it. Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
How to configure Samba after fresh install of F27
Everyone: This relates also to another thread I started, namely "where are my system configuration tools." This problem comes after a "clean install" of F27. My old system-config-samba applet is gone--dnf can't find it to install. And I don't see any launcher for NetworkManager or whatever I'm supposed to use. Right now, the Fedora system can't see any Windows computer on my network--can't find it even with a direct address input (and I wouldn't know how to send one.) And the Windows boxes can't see the Fedora system, either--I type "\\[hostname]" and get a message saying "Windows can't access [that host]." I've already edited the files /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts to reflect my choice of hostname. I replaced "localdomain" with "home," in keeping with the Windows domain. How can I check that the services smb, nmb, and winbind are even running? Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Where are my configuration and service management tools?
Everyone: I completed my installation of solid-state drives and, of course, a new installation of F27. And now: what happened to my system configuration tools? How do I start and stop services? My biggest problem is Samba. I can't see any Windows computers on my network, and they can't see me. (I can, however, see a network printer. That, I configured in the System Settings app.) Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Data migration for replacing HDD with SSD - suggestions?
On 12/18/2017 12:13 PM, stan wrote: On Mon, 18 Dec 2017 06:23:13 -0500 Temlakos <temla...@gmail.com> wrote: As I thought. Now may I also assume that you use the chown command to re-create the ownership and group-membership structure of each specific user directory in the new drive? And also use chmod to re-create the permissions structure? I'm familiar enough with chown and chmod. I've used them often enough in my days as a volunteer developer on other sites that use UNIX. Yep. In any event, let me guess: whatever you create and set in the new drive, no re-installation will ever alter. Thereafter you remove any directories in /home/user (where /user/ is the name of a user account) and re-establish the links, right? Yep. All good. Thanks for confirming. I should have figured one thing: I do this for everything that I used to copy over from one computer to the next when I would break in a new(er) computer with (of necessity) a fresh (first!) installation of Fedora. That included all the named directories, any other top-level directories I created, and /home/user/.thunderbird in every account that used Thunderbird regularly. (Same with Kmail, for any KDE user who uses the "native" browser and e-mail client.) As Tim points out, this can cause problems if configuration options have changed. Better to just let the newer version create its own config, try the app, and if it works the way you want, leave it the way it is. If it doesn't work the way you want, do a diff with the old config to see what has changed, and make changes in the new config based on those. Well, I've identified one application, the configuration of which I /must/ preserve in some fashion, and that is: Thunderbird. At a minimum, I need to preserve a folder that has e-mail accounts and saved mail databases on it. Otherwise, I lose more than some minor, out-of-sight configuration. And when I have as many as twenty e-mail accounts or more, I /cannot/ afford to have to re-list them all. The simplest method is to move the .thunderbird folder onto the new drive and link to it from the system drive. The not-so-simple method is to copy out the particular folder and move it into .thunderbird. Or maybe to go into .thunderbird on the system drive and make a symlink /inside that folder/ to the e-mail accounts folder on the new drive. Maybe I'll try that. You can be sure I'll back everything up--I'm getting a portable HDD with 4 TB of capacity that I'm going to use as an all-around system backup. Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: F26 hangs or dies
On 12/18/2017 01:19 AM, Stephen Davies wrote: I upgraded from F25 to F26 yesterday and ever since have been seeing the system frequently become totally unresponsive. It seems to be quite random and can only be resolved by hitting the reset button to reboot. On other occasions it doesn't quite die but starting anything takes several minutes rather than seconds. Thunderbird and dnf are examples but sometimes there is just no response to key strokes or clicks. The only clue that I have seen is that top often shows very high wait I/O levels and swap space is sometimes (but not always) low. Nothing has changed in the system workload or configuration. This is a production machine so any help will be very welcome. Cheers and thanks, Stephen I've been noticing the same thing. /Watch it!/ That could be a sign of imminent HDD failure. I've had a professional installer tell me that very thing. If you've been following my Data Migration thread, you'll find in there a solution Fred Roller suggested. That is: you have two drives (HDD or SSD, it doesn't matter which except for power and space requirements), one small (120 GB minimum size) and one large (as large as you want). You install Fedora on the smaller drive. Then you format the larger drive in the same filesystem (I use ext4) and mount it in your Linux directory tree under a name of your choosing. (Fred uses /crypt, but any name will do--but if you decide to use /cache, make sure that's not a reserved word.) Then for each user account: 1. Create new directories for every user. Thus for every folder named /home/username (where /username/ is the name on a user account), create, say, /crypt/username. 2. Use chown and chmod (as a "sudoer") to set ownership, group membership, and permissions exactly as they are in the original. 3. Create the next level of subfolders of every user folder, and again use chown and chmod to set their ownerships, group memberships, and permissions exactly as you would have them. 4. Now, in each /home/username directory, /remove all subdirectories/. And each time you do that, create a /symbolic link/ to the counterpart directory on the larger drive. For example: $ sudo rmdir Documents $ sudo ln -s /crypt/username/Documents /home/username/Documents If I understand this properly, now those new folders will become visible in /home/username as if they actually resided there. But they will have far more capacity and will be safe. 5. Do this also for any hidden configuration folder, such as for Thunderbird or Kmail, that you want to preserve from one installation to the next. From then on, you can do clean installs of each successive iteration of Fedora, re-create your users and groups, remove all top-level folders from each user account, and re-create the symlink structure. You can even swap out the smaller HDD or SSD without fear of compromising your data on the larger drive. An SSD makes an inherently better system drive than an HDD. File access is much faster. Furthermore the system drive, being the workhorse, has a heavier work burden. An SSD will take a lot more punishment than an HDD can take, and for far longer. In fact, a system drive is likely to fail first, for this reason. So using an SSD is far preferable. I got mine for less than $60 US, tax included. Just remember to power up your system at least once every three months (no more than four) to make sure the SSD doesn't "forget" everything you "taught" it. I use my desktop every day, or idle it for no more than two weeks at a time, so that doesn't present a problem. I happen to be planning to use an SSD for the user-data drive as well. I have it on hand from an earlier plan (now abandoned) and might as well use it. You might do the same, if you are doing things like torrenting or frequent uploading or downloading or running a database or Web site or anything else that causes you to access user-data files nearly as often as you access system files. Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Data migration for replacing HDD with SSD - suggestions?
On 12/17/2017 07:42 PM, fred roller wrote: [snip] Now I have one more question, and this is for Fred or Stan. Should any physical directories named Documents, Downloads, Music, Pictures, Video, etc., remain on the actual /home mount? My process was to mkdir on the new drive, delete the old directory in /home/user and when I created the link the directory was visible in the /home/user just writing to somewhere else. [snip] ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org As I thought. Now may I also assume that you use the chown command to re-create the ownership and group-membership structure of each specific user directory in the new drive? And also use chmod to re-create the permissions structure? I'm familiar enough with chown and chmod. I've used them often enough in my days as a volunteer developer on other sites that use UNIX. In any event, let me guess: whatever you create and set in the new drive, no re-installation will ever alter. Thereafter you remove any directories in /home/user (where /user/ is the name of a user account) and re-establish the links, right? I should have figured one thing: I do this for everything that I used to copy over from one computer to the next when I would break in a new(er) computer with (of necessity) a fresh (first!) installation of Fedora. That included all the named directories, any other top-level directories I created, and /home/user/.thunderbird in every account that used Thunderbird regularly. (Same with Kmail, for any KDE user who uses the "native" browser and e-mail client.) Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Data migration for replacing HDD with SSD - suggestions?
On 12/17/2017 05:49 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 12/18/17 06:14, Temlakos wrote: I wonder: am I the first here to build a system with all SDD drives? Or has any other subscriber to this list done that? Hah, Hah, nope Been running one like that for several months now. Half done with switching another over to only SDD. Will finish as soon as I find the time. We should compare notes, then. Did you install your system on one big SSD? Or did you install on one smaller system SSD for the "system" and a larger SSD for user data, as I am trying to do? And has your system improved in performance? Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Data migration for replacing HDD with SSD - suggestions?
On 12/17/2017 03:04 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 12/17/2017 11:55 AM, fred roller wrote: Main thing to remember is KISS. This is a simple way to have the normal drop points of data redirected to the larger drive. If you really want to KISS, just migrate /home to the new drive and be done with it. ___ Hold on a minute, Joe. If I understand Fred correctly, the system does certain things to the /home directory and each user directory that he did not repeat /not/ want preserved, and no one else should, either. And I can believe it. I've noticed some flakiness when slavishly preserving my main user directory, that didn't happen when I simply "created" my other "users" /de novo/ with every clean install. The flakiness gets worse with every iteration. (You developers who are monitoring this list, are you monitoring this thread? Consider this my formal protest of a certain amount of carelessness, hint, hint, hint!) I attribute that to the kind of hidden file that needs doing away with. I would add ~/bin to the list, plus a few others I've created, along with a custom bashrc script that sets the PATH to include my own bin directory. But otherwise his principle is a sound one. I at first thought as you do, Joe: just mount the larger directory as /home and have done with it. I used to do just that when I jerry-built systems having more than one HDD, that I had cobbled together from a few "antique" systems. The problem: that still leaves the system to throw things into /home that one can best do away with. One can do that most easily by doing clean installations on the system drive with every iteration, or at least every /other/ iteration. Now I have one more question, and this is for Fred or Stan. Should any physical directories named Documents, Downloads, Music, Pictures, Video, etc., remain on the actual /home mount? Or should they exist physically only on the /crypt mount (meaning the larger user-data drive) and only symlinks remain in ~? (Remember: ~ = /home/username where /username/ is the name of the user account.) Understand: I want a clean separation between useful data on the one hand, and configuration on the other--except for things like Thunderbird where I want to preserve e-mail accounts and extensive e-mail databases. (I understand why you didn't bother with Chrome's configuration data. But what about Firefox?) I genuinely appreciate this discussion and the direction it has taken, more than some of you might know. I've had a bellyful of the flakiness that gets worse with every "system upgrade" I've done--to the point where even KDE's Apper program crashes on launch every single time. I wonder: am I the first here to build a system with all SDD drives? Or has any other subscriber to this list done that? Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Data migration for replacing HDD with SSD - suggestions?
On 12/17/2017 08:41 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 08:31:05 -0500 Temlakos wrote: And when I do that, any folder that I create on the "data disk," the system will find by starting from /home/[user-ident]. You might want to consider a "bind" mount for /home instead of lots of symlinks for each home directory. I have this in my fstab: /zooty/home /home nonerw,bind 0 0 ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org I just looked up bind mounts. The way they explained it at: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/198590/what-is-a-bind-mount bind mounts are copies. I don't want a copy; I just want user data to occupy a second, much larger disk. Fred and Stan seem to be saying some things ought to reside on a separate disk, but some things--like some (but not all) configuration files, plus a few artifacts that the system throws in from time to time--ought to stay on the system drive, so that a clean install will wipe them out, leaving usable user data untouched and unharmed. Unless I'm missing something, if I set up a bind mount, I effectively limit myself to the unused capacity of the smaller system drive and cannot effectively use all the capacity of the larger "user data drive." Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Data migration for replacing HDD with SSD - suggestions?
On 12/16/2017 08:07 PM, stan wrote: On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 18:50:57 -0500 Temlakos <temla...@gmail.com> wrote: 1. How can you write the linking commands so that they will execute automatically at startup, rather than your having to "sudo ln -s [source] [destination]" for every directory for every user every time you restart your system? (I'm likely to be shutting down and restarting every day and sometimes twice or three times a day, depending on whether I can solve the "KDE Plasma 5 system hang" problem with this new installation.) Once they are set they are there until you remove them. They're like directories, they are always there. Restarting and shutting down doesn't affect them. 2. Could you give me an example of such a linking system, with names changed to protect your privacy? Suppose I have a directory called /mnt/data_drive/source where I keep source code on my data drive. Then, in my home directory, I just have the link source, that I set up as ln -s /mnt/data_drive/source source Once that is in place, if I am in my home directory I can type cd source and it will take me to /mnt/data_drive/source, and if I am somewhere else I can type cd ~/source and it will do the same thing. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Let me see if I understand the result: I need to set up links to: 1. All folders that I want to hold on the data drive, including configuration files that I want to preserve from one iteration to the next--like .thunderbird, .firefox, .chrome, .adobe, and so on. These would be the top-level folders, the ones in the home directory, and not the subfolders. 2. Any file that, for whatever reason, is sitting in my home directory and that I haven't made up my mind to place into a folder, like Downloads or Pictures or Documents--whatever. (This might include password files, if I can get the old Password Manager program reinstalled. I have an rpm for that, but I don't know whether that would install or not.) And I must do that for every user account. And when I do that, any folder that I create on the "data disk," the system will find by starting from /home/[user-ident]. At least, I don't /think/ you're recommending setting up symlinks to every single file and subfolder in a user's account! Someone (Fred Roller, I think) said the process needs to be invisible to the user. Question: would you preserve /all/ hidden application configuration files on the separate drive? Or do some things deserve to reside on the system drive and get overwritten with every clean install? Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Data migration for replacing HDD with SSD - suggestions?
On 12/16/2017 03:17 PM, fred roller wrote: Terry, Stan hit on the points perfectly; ty Stan, it is the artifacts you leave in /home/user that start causing anomalies, most go un-noticed except to a trained eye but can snowball over time. As for the re-linking, if you are comfortable a script can be made to relink but I found this more trouble than it is worth. It is too easy to type the first set of commands then up arrow key to repeat the process as needed. For me, catastrophic recovery took about 40-90 min under this set up; depending on anything new I wanted to implement. As for default sizes I believe /boot was around 500 Mb, not much, so 1 Gb would suffice. Bearing in mind the OS is designed to take not much more than 15 Gb total, if the numbers still hold, then the size of /tmp depends on usage. At one point I gave /tmp 40-50 Gb because I was using heavy 30-50 Mb RAW image files in GIMP 8 or 9 at a time. So a large /tmp helped me there. Now days I check email and watch movies so 10-20% of remainder would easily suffice. If you can watch /tmp on your current system via the command "watch 'ls -lh /tmp'"during a typical usage period. See if your current quota is being used or staying mostly empty. On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 2:17 PM, stan <stanl-fedorau...@vfemail.net <mailto:stanl-fedorau...@vfemail.net>> wrote: On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 13:09:47 -0500 Temlakos <temla...@gmail.com <mailto:temla...@gmail.com>> wrote: > On 12/16/2017 12:59 PM, stan wrote: > > On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 10:13:55 -0500 > > fred roller <fredrolle...@gmail.com <mailto:fredrolle...@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> | 5. In general, should I place a partition for anything other > >> than /home on the 1 TB SSD? > >> This will explain how/why I put /home on the 120 [smaller drive]. > >> Through the use of hard/soft links to folders in /Crypt I connected > >> the data files I wanted to preserve on /Crypt. This use of links > >> kept data writing to /Crypt and in so doing kept it separate from > >> the OS drive. So /home/user1/Documents > >> -->/Crypt/user1/Documents, /home/user1/Pictures > >> --> /Crypt/user1/Pictures, etc. etc. This link was invisible to > >> the user. The data files from software likewise can be > >> linked, /home/user1/.thunderbird --> /Crypt/user1/.thunderbird; > >> which was great for recovering the mail client and other > >> softeware. This set-up was born of having put /home on /Crypt at > >> first but if you migrated to a new distro or recovered from > >> failure you tended to inherit artifacts which the new system > >> choked on. This process proved to be a cleaner foundation from > >> which to recover/reinstall. One had only reinstall a clean OS on > >> the 120 then re-link, the data was never touched during the > >> installation process. Proved so effective that I preferred do > >> clean installs from OS iteration to the next as opposed to > >> upgrading. There are some pros/cons to soft/hard links so > >> research for the trade-offs. > Stan: > > How exactly do you manage mounting the larger drive under a different > name (whether /crypt or some other name) and setting up/maintaining > the link structure? Seems to me you have to rebuild it every time you > (a) reinstall the OS or (b) add or remove users. It also seems to me > that mounting the larger drive as /home accomplishes the same goal. > Why doesn't it? > > Temlakos I think you meant this question for Fred, but I'll respond to at least some of it. [mounting the larger drive] That's just creating a mount point under /mnt and an entry in /etc/fstab. When the system starts, the partition is mounted. Sure, the link structure has to be created when you add a user. But that's all of 5 minutes work, at least for me. Create the mount point. Edit /etc/fstab to copy the setup line into the new system. ln -s [mount point] [home mount name] for each directory in the mount you want to mount in home As you can see, I use symbolic links. This reminds me that there is a caveat for doing things this way. Any cp or rsync has to be restricted to a single file system, or it will follow the links. Fred answered your last question in the blurb above. But the TLDR is *cruft* and incompatibility. Data is always compatible with any program that can read it. But configurations for the tools that do read it might be different in different versions of the OS. So using an old home for a new version can lead to subtle
Re: Data migration for replacing HDD with SSD - suggestions?
On 12/16/2017 03:25 PM, Jon LaBadie wrote: On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 01:06:16PM -0500, Temlakos wrote: On 12/16/2017 10:13 AM, fred roller wrote: [snip] | I now ask the community for some suggestions. I have done this type of set up on my systems before so what its worth I will share how I installed and where applicable, why. | First, for partitioning: | | 1. Should I even try to accept /automatic/ partitioning when the installer gets to that point? No. In custom choose the 120 GB drive and auto choices may be fine but mine was to mount /boot, /swap, /tmp, and /. For reasons related to HDD and rpm's that was the order; for SDD not so much. The second drive I mounted on /Crypt [or some other name you want]. What do you recommend as the sizes of partitions /boot and /tmp? Obviously "/" will take up "all the rest." /swap will take up 16 GB. I used 50 GB for /boot. But I never broke out /tmp as a separate partition. overkill. I've seen mny recommend 1GB for /boot. I usually do 2-4GB. Just looked at 3 systems, highest /boot usage was < 350MB. If no separate /tmp, it can autofs to 50% of swap. You can have swap on multiple drives. Thus either greater total swap or more space on 120 drive for / or /tmp. lost+found should be empty. It is used by fsck program to reattach orphaned files it finds (files with an allocated inode and data blocks but no directory entry). If found fsck attaches them in l+f named "#". Root can then examine them and move or remove. l+f is created as part of file system formatting. I just had a chance to review my partitions--after a fashion--using Dolphin (the KDE file manager). That review indicates I was using a 500 MB (or at the most 500 MiB) boot partition. The 50 GB was the part I reserved for the root partition (/). That left more than 872 GB for /home after accounting for /swap and / and /boot. My system automatically keeps only three kernel versions and a rescue kernel. Interestingly, Dolphin shows me two apparent boot partitions. One of them is current--it shows the currently installed kernels. The other is clearly obsolete--goes back to F20. Maybe this is a sign that I need a clean install anyway. Still trying to figure out how to store user data at a mount point different from classic /home. Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Data migration for replacing HDD with SSD - suggestions?
On 12/16/2017 12:59 PM, stan wrote: On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 10:13:55 -0500 fred roller <fredrolle...@gmail.com> wrote: I have done this type of set up on my systems before so what its worth I will share how I installed and where applicable, why. Good read. I'll keep it around for future reference. | 5. In general, should I place a partition for anything other than /home on the 1 TB SSD? This will explain how/why I put /home on the 120 [smaller drive]. Through the use of hard/soft links to folders in /Crypt I connected the data files I wanted to preserve on /Crypt. This use of links kept data writing to /Crypt and in so doing kept it separate from the OS drive. So /home/user1/Documents -->/Crypt/user1/Documents, /home/user1/Pictures --> /Crypt/user1/Pictures, etc. etc. This link was invisible to the user. The data files from software likewise can be linked, /home/user1/.thunderbird --> /Crypt/user1/.thunderbird; which was great for recovering the mail client and other softeware. This set-up was born of having put /home on /Crypt at first but if you migrated to a new distro or recovered from failure you tended to inherit artifacts which the new system choked on. This process proved to be a cleaner foundation from which to recover/reinstall. One had only reinstall a clean OS on the 120 then re-link, the data was never touched during the installation process. Proved so effective that I preferred do clean installs from OS iteration to the next as opposed to upgrading. There are some pros/cons to soft/hard links so research for the trade-offs. Mostly I replied because I wanted to give a thumbs up to doing things this way. I also do this, and it makes everything so much easier, and safer, and convenient. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Stan: How exactly do you manage mounting the larger drive under a different name (whether /crypt or some other name) and setting up/maintaining the link structure? Seems to me you have to rebuild it every time you (a) reinstall the OS or (b) add or remove users. It also seems to me that mounting the larger drive as /home accomplishes the same goal. Why doesn't it? Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Data migration for replacing HDD with SSD - suggestions?
this external HDD (Western Digital Passport Ultra, for anyone keeping score on vendors), and /then/ modify the hardware. | c. Migrate the data to its "temporary refuge" over a Samba network (possibly do-able for at least one account, and that's the biggest account) and then re-migrate to the new system? Unless you are integrating with windows, I don't see the need for Samba, Linux has several protocols to serve this capacity. My fav is sftp on the internal network as it uses the users' existing credentials. Well, I wouldn't say I'm "integrating" with Windows--I'm not sure what you mean by that. But in any case I've already figured out that using a portable HDD for backup is the way forward. Particularly since portable HDD's give so much more bang for the buck than they once did. | Which choice would you recommend? | 3. Is it worth migrating every single hidden file or folder? Or should I select only those folders that I know contain customization, account, or similar settings, plus my saved documents/pictures/music/videos, and migrate those? Hopefully the above answered this question. While seems a bit to do, the long term benefits proved this method was worth the trouble. Hope it helps you a bit. Thank you. Anyway, that's decided. The new hardware and accessories are either in my possession or on order. Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Data migration for replacing HDD with SSD - suggestions?
Everyone:
If you have followed my threads about:
SMB failing with F27
and
system hanging and requring repeated restarts,
then you've seen people suggest replacing my 1 TB HDD with an SSD. I
acquired a 1 TB SSD and then tried to clone the HDD to the SSD. The
clone /failed/. Reason: the disk is already showing some bad sectors.
The outputs of satactl and fsck make that undeniably clear.
On the advice of a professional installer, I have since acquired an
additional SSD (capacity 120 GB) and am now acquiring a mounting bracket
and some power and SATA data cables. I also downloaded the F27 KDE
Plasma 5 Spin as an ".iso" image.
My plan is to install F27 "clean" on the two SSD's, mounting the 120 GB
SSD at root ("/") and the 1 TB SSD at /home. I must then migrate my
data, browser cookies (Google Chrome, Firefox), e-mail
accounts/saved/messages/other settings (Thunderbird), and documents,
pictures, music, videos, and various downloads from the HDD to the SSD.
This machine has 8 GB of memory on board.
I now ask the community for some suggestions.
First, for partitioning:
1. Should I even try to accept /automatic/ partitioning when the
installer gets to that point?
2. Is 120 GB large enough for the information on the other directories
besides /home?
3. Should I create a separate /boot partition on the smaller SSD, and if
so, how large should I make it?
4. How large should the swap partition be, and where should I put it?
(That is, on the 120 GB or the 1 TB drive)?
5. In general, should I place a partition for anything other than /home
on the 1 TB SSD?
Now, as regards data migration: I have three user accounts to migrate,
plus another directory on /home called "lost and found."
1. Should I even try to migrate "lost and found," and if so, how?
2. I have at least two choices for migrating data and settings from the
various user accounts--three for some of them.
a. Connect the HDD to the SATA bus /after/ installing F27, and then
force-copying everything out of each /home directory to its
corresponding directory on the new configuration. (What command(s) would
you recommend using, and with what options/switches/etc.?)
b. Connect a large external HDD through a USB interface, transfer
all the data to it before modifying the hardware, then re-transfer it to
the system after installing the SSD's and F27.
c. Migrate the data to its "temporary refuge" over a Samba network
(possibly do-able for at least one account, and that's the biggest
account) and then re-migrate to the new system?
Which choice would you recommend?
3. Is it worth migrating every single hidden file or folder? Or should I
select only those folders that I know contain customization, account, or
similar settings, plus my saved documents/pictures/music/videos, and
migrate those?
Thanks in advance.
Temlakos
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Re: Samba support fails in F27
On 11/29/2017 07:39 AM, Dario Lesca wrote: Il giorno mer, 29/11/2017 alle 06.49 -0500, Temlakos ha scritto: [gamestergamester] comment = Gamester account path = /home/gamester read only = No valid users = gamester $smbclient -L temlakos -U Temlakos If you do this command: $ smbclient //temlakos/gamester -U Temlakos you should connect to your folder and if you do "ls" see the contents of the folder. and if you do "mkdir test" create a new folder Is this OK? Negative. Here is the output: smbclient //temlakos/gamester -U Temlakos tree connect failed: NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED From Windows You can connect to Fedora type "\\temlakos" into file manager Is this OK? Now /that/ works. I can't understand why the file manager won't list it normally as a browseable system. But when I specify it, I can get it. Now: once I have it, I can only connect to one particular account. Happily, the account I'm connecting to, is the account having the largest amount of data. This is crucial, because I face an imminent HDD failure. (The outputs of satactl and fsck include some dire warnings, and attempt to clone the HDD using Acronis True Image /failed/, and the bearings have been balefully noisy of late.) So I need to back up my data *now* while preparing to: 1. Install two SSD, one 120 GB and one 1 TB. 2. Install F27 "clean" on those two drives, with the 120 GB SSD mounting as "/" (root) and the 1 TB SSD mouting as /home. More on that in another thread. But the bottom line is: I need to re-establish some kind of network connectivity so I can rescue my data. Is SElinux disabled or enable? Enabled. if enabled, is configured like /etc/samba/smb.conf.example show? I wouldn't know how to test that. Let us know ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Samba support fails in F27
On 11/29/2017 03:47 AM, Dario Lesca wrote: Il giorno mar, 28/11/2017 alle 18.51 -0500, Temlakos ha scritto: Everyone: So what's wrong, where might the fault lie, and how do I correct it? NOTE: If you share with us the output of "testparm -s" we can better help you Some test, send us the output On Fedora 27, hostname=fedora-name $ testparm -s $ smbclient -L fedora-name -U valid-fedora-user $ smbclient //fedora-name/share1 -U valid-fedora-user $ ping ip.of.win.10 $ ping win10-name $ smbclient -L win10-name -U valid-win10-user $ smbclient //win10-name/share1 -U valid-win10-user On Win10, open file manager then go to on fedora-name type: \\fedora-name\ or \\ip.of.win.10\ Let us know NOTE: last week i have setup on Fedora 27 server + samba 4.7 + bind + dhcp an Active directory Domain Controller without problem[1] with some Win10 + Win7 + Centos7 Member server [1] with this work around: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1496307 $ testparm -s Load smb config files from /etc/samba/smb.conf rlimit_max: increasing rlimit_max (1024) to minimum Windows limit (16384) Processing section "[homes]" Processing section "[printers]" Processing section "[Temlakos]" Processing section "[workshop]" Processing section "[gamester]" Loaded services file OK. Server role: ROLE_STANDALONE # Global parameters [global] interfaces = lo p37p1 wlp3s0 192.168.1.0/24 log file = /var/log/samba/log.%m max log size = 50 security = USER server string = Samba Server Version %v workgroup = HOME idmap config * : backend = tdb cups options = raw hosts allow = 127. 192.168. [homes] browseable = No comment = Home Directories read only = No [printers] browseable = No comment = All Printers path = /var/spool/samba printable = Yes [Temlakos] comment = Temlakos home guest ok = Yes path = /home/Temlakos read only = No [workshop] comment = Public files from the workshop guest ok = Yes path = /home/workshop/Public read only = No [gamester] comment = Gamester account path = /home/gamester read only = No valid users = gamester $smbclient -L temlakos -U Temlakos Enter HOME\Temlakos's password: Sharename Type Comment - --- Temlakos Disk Temlakos home workshop Disk Public files from the workshop gamester Disk Gamester account IPC$ IPC IPC Service (Samba Server Version 4.7.3) EPSON-XP-860-Series Printer EPSON XP-860 Small-in-one Reconnecting with SMB1 for workgroup listing. Server Comment - --- Workgroup Master - --- HOME CLOUDONE Now on the Win10 machine, this host doesn't even show up. CLOUDONE, by the way, is a 24-TB NAS. Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Samba support fails in F27
Everyone: After several days of fruitless effort I have to bring this to the community. Since I upgraded to F27, I have never been able to sustain any viable network connection to other computers on my network that run Windows 10. Which means if I ever have to transfer files between or among them, I have to use USB flash drives or even USB-connectable moveable HDD's. Now I suppose I could buy a spare Western Digital Passport for this application. But I would like to know what I'm missing. For the record: The computer I'm typing this on, that runs F27, presently has a wireless connection to the network. I hope, within the next two months, to move to an environment where I can connect this computer to the network using a MoCA adapter, a switch in the room, and a coaxial connector in the wall to connect this computer, a printer, and maybe a laptop if I bring it into the same room. That never used to make any difference, but yes, I'm going to try to "remedy" that "fault" (if anyone here chooses to find fault with using a wireless connection). The Samba workgroup is named Home. That's case-sensitive. I have User authentication on the Samba server. I created Samba user accounts for every Fedora user account on this machine--all three of them. With F26, I could always look up Home under Samba Shares and find it. But now--nothing. And even specifying Home gets a not-found-here kind of message. The Services application shows that both smb and nmb are running. So what's wrong, where might the fault lie, and how do I correct it? Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Video Download Helper will not run with Firefox 57
On 11/22/2017 07:43 AM, wwp wrote: Hello, On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 07:34:53 -0500 Temlakos <temla...@gmail.com> wrote: Everyone: After updating Firefox I got a message to "refresh" it--that is, remove all add-ins. Foolishly I did so, thinking to reinstall them later using compatible versions. But I have not been able to get Video Download Helper to work. I followed their instructions to install a "companion application." That means working in a terminal version (actually, Konsole; I'm working in KDE). The messages I get all say the companion app is ready for use. But after repeated shutdowns and restarts, VDH still will not download anything. And that's the case for all extensions that didn't move to the webextension format. What a killer Firefox upgrade.. FYI: https://arewewebextensionsyet.com/ Thank you! That's the best resource I could have asked for. It led to another extension that restores the most important capability I had lost. All that remains is whether VDH will get with the program. The resource above said it had three "blocking bugs." I suppose that explains the trouble I had. Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Video Download Helper will not run with Firefox 57
Everyone: After updating Firefox I got a message to "refresh" it--that is, remove all add-ins. Foolishly I did so, thinking to reinstall them later using compatible versions. But I have not been able to get Video Download Helper to work. I followed their instructions to install a "companion application." That means working in a terminal version (actually, Konsole; I'm working in KDE). The messages I get all say the companion app is ready for use. But after repeated shutdowns and restarts, VDH still will not download anything. Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: regionset for DVD playback and ripping
On 07/28/2017 08:36 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 07/28/2017 06:33 PM, Temlakos wrote: Thank you for that list. I was in fact missing some gstreamer plugins packages. I just tracked down and installed the missing ones, and now vlc works again--picture and sound. Great. I assume mplayer now works as well? Haven't tried it yet. But the big thing I wanted to get working, was MakeMKV. So I could take an out-of-region disk, rip it, and enjoy its contents without having to shell out $600 US or more for a multiregion optical-disk player. (One-region players typically cost a mere fraction of that amount.) Or buy another optical-disk burner/player and reset its region, either. Now I can put that decision off for a long time to come. Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: regionset for DVD playback and ripping
On 07/28/2017 02:16 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 07/28/2017 09:18 AM, Temlakos wrote: libmpeg2-0.5.1-12.fc26.x86_64 Incidentally, though vlc seems hopelessly broken--sound, but no picture--Dragon Player gives me picture without difficulty, especially on the new mkv files. So I've verified that MakeMKV works, even when ripping a Region 2 disk on a Region 1 player. (The "workaround" is successful; it just seems to take forever, but as long as I read the message "Operation successfully completed," I can be confident.) The only other modification I need to try to make, is to crop the picture to the PAL aspect ratio to eliminate "double letterboxing" on a wide screen. I realize that vlc is an rpmfusion package, hence no concern of Fedora. Well, kudos to Fedora for producing a video player (Dragon Player) that beats vlc in their current iterations! I only wish I knew exactly why. I freely admit I know very little about codecs and video playback. In the past everything has just worked for me. As I said, all of my DVD drives have died But since I've been doing upgrades since they were working I should have what I need for things to work. With that in mind, it may be a good idea to see what gstreamer plugins you've installed? Here is what is on my system. [egreshko@meimei backups]$ rpm -qa | grep gstream | grep plug | grep good gstreamer1-plugins-good-1.12.2-1.fc26.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-good-0.10.31-18.fc26.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-good-extras-0.10.31-18.fc26.x86_64 [egreshko@meimei backups]$ rpm -qa | grep gstream | grep plug | grep bad gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-extras-0.10.23-39.fc26.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-0.10.23-39.fc26.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-bad-0.10.23-8.fc26.x86_64 gstreamer1-plugins-bad-free-1.12.2-1.fc26.x86_64 gstreamer1-plugins-bad-freeworld-1.12.2-1.fc26.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-0.10.23-39.fc26.i686 gstreamer1-plugins-bad-free-gtk-1.12.2-1.fc26.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-bad-nonfree-0.10.23-4.fc26.x86_64 [egreshko@meimei backups]$ rpm -qa | grep gstream | grep plug | grep ugly gstreamer1-plugins-ugly-1.12.2-1.fc26.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-ugly-0.10.19-22.fc26.x86_64 gstreamer1-plugins-ugly-free-1.12.2-1.fc26.x86_64 Thank you for that list. I was in fact missing some gstreamer plugins packages. I just tracked down and installed the missing ones, and now vlc works again--picture and sound. Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: regionset for DVD playback and ripping
On 07/27/2017 09:09 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 07/28/2017 08:26 AM, Temlakos wrote: How odd. mplayer on command-line returns, at the end: MPEG: Missing video stream!? Contact the author, it may be a bug :( The vlc program gives me sound, but no picture--so no way to navigate the menu. However, MakeMKV produces a good DVD video--sound and picture--exactly what I would expect. The test disk is a studio-issued special edition of /Fiddler on the Roof/ (1971), for Region 1. Herewith the output of mplayer dvd:// (this after I created a soft link to device "sr0" per your suggestion): mplayer dvd:// Creating config file: /home/Temlakos/.mplayer/config MPlayer 1.3.0-7 (C) 2000-2016 MPlayer Team do_connect: could not connect to socket connect: No such file or directory Failed to open LIRC support. You will not be able to use your remote control. Playing dvd://. There are 9 titles on this DVD. There are 1 angles in this DVD title. libdvdread: Attempting to retrieve all CSS keys libdvdread: This can take a _long_ time, please be patient libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.VOB at 0x0149 libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_01_0.VOB at 0x027f libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_01_1.VOB at 0x0289 libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_02_0.VOB at 0x029f libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_02_1.VOB at 0x02a4 libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_03_1.VOB at 0x0328 libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_04_1.VOB at 0x1306 libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_05_1.VOB at 0x1c80 libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_06_1.VOB at 0x236b libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_07_0.VOB at 0x0001675c libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_07_1.VOB at 0x0001e1d0 libdvdread: Elapsed time 1 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_08_1.VOB at 0x003d5daf libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Found 8 VTS's libdvdread: Elapsed time 1 audio stream: 0 format: ac3 (5.1) language: en aid: 128. audio stream: 1 format: ac3 (stereo) language: en aid: 129. number of audio channels on disk: 2. subtitle ( sid ): 3 language: en subtitle ( sid ): 4 language: fr subtitle ( sid ): 5 language: es number of subtitles on disk: 3 MPEG: Missing video stream!? Contact the author, it may be a bug :( Exiting... (End of file) [[censored] ~]$ Now what? What version of libmpeg2 do you have installed? rpm -q libmpeg2 libmpeg2-0.5.1-12.fc26.x86_64 Incidentally, though vlc seems hopelessly broken--sound, but no picture--Dragon Player gives me picture without difficulty, especially on the new mkv files. So I've verified that MakeMKV works, even when ripping a Region 2 disk on a Region 1 player. (The "workaround" is successful; it just seems to take forever, but as long as I read the message "Operation successfully completed," I can be confident.) The only other modification I need to try to make, is to crop the picture to the PAL aspect ratio to eliminate "double letterboxing" on a wide screen. I realize that vlc is an rpmfusion package, hence no concern of Fedora. Well, kudos to Fedora for producing a video player (Dragon Player) that beats vlc in their current iterations! I only wish I knew exactly why. Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: regionset for DVD playback and ripping
On 07/27/2017 07:25 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 07/27/2017 06:23 PM, Temlakos wrote: I don't know how to use mplayer from the command line. I shudder to think of how many switches and parameters I have to specify. Can you help with that? Assuming you have a /dev/dvd it should be as simply as typing mplayer dvd:// If you don't have a /dev/dvd then you may have to create a link to your dvd player to make things easier In my case, and in most cases, it would be ln -s /dev/sr0 /dev/dvd I would test for youbut my DVD drive is broken. Just give that a try. What could you lose? You may even read the man page on mplayer. I've never had to give much in the way of other options unless I was doing something "exotic". FWIW, even though the laser in my DVD player is dead I still get [egreshko@acer ~]$ mplayer dvd:// MPlayer 1.3.0-7 (C) 2000-2016 MPlayer Team do_connect: could not connect to socket connect: No such file or directory Failed to open LIRC support. You will not be able to use your remote control. Playing dvd://. libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable. libdvdread: Could not open input: No medium found libdvdread: Can't open /dev/dvd for reading Couldn't open DVD device: /dev/dvd (No medium found)<---You can't play what you can't see How odd. mplayer on command-line returns, at the end: MPEG: Missing video stream!? Contact the author, it may be a bug :( The vlc program gives me sound, but no picture--so no way to navigate the menu. However, MakeMKV produces a good DVD video--sound and picture--exactly what I would expect. The test disk is a studio-issued special edition of /Fiddler on the Roof/ (1971), for Region 1. Herewith the output of mplayer dvd:// (this after I created a soft link to device "sr0" per your suggestion): mplayer dvd:// Creating config file: /home/Temlakos/.mplayer/config MPlayer 1.3.0-7 (C) 2000-2016 MPlayer Team do_connect: could not connect to socket connect: No such file or directory Failed to open LIRC support. You will not be able to use your remote control. Playing dvd://. There are 9 titles on this DVD. There are 1 angles in this DVD title. libdvdread: Attempting to retrieve all CSS keys libdvdread: This can take a _long_ time, please be patient libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.VOB at 0x0149 libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_01_0.VOB at 0x027f libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_01_1.VOB at 0x0289 libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_02_0.VOB at 0x029f libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_02_1.VOB at 0x02a4 libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_03_1.VOB at 0x0328 libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_04_1.VOB at 0x1306 libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_05_1.VOB at 0x1c80 libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_06_1.VOB at 0x236b libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_07_0.VOB at 0x0001675c libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_07_1.VOB at 0x0001e1d0 libdvdread: Elapsed time 1 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_08_1.VOB at 0x003d5daf libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Found 8 VTS's libdvdread: Elapsed time 1 audio stream: 0 format: ac3 (5.1) language: en aid: 128. audio stream: 1 format: ac3 (stereo) language: en aid: 129. number of audio channels on disk: 2. subtitle ( sid ): 3 language: en subtitle ( sid ): 4 language: fr subtitle ( sid ): 5 language: es number of subtitles on disk: 3 MPEG: Missing video stream!? Contact the author, it may be a bug :( Exiting... (End of file) [[censored] ~]$ Now what? Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: regionset for DVD playback and ripping
On 07/27/2017 02:11 AM, John Morris wrote: On Sun, 2017-07-23 at 20:20 -0400, Temlakos wrote: Everyone: Does anyone here have experience using the program "regionset" to change the region code on a DVD player? Specifically, has anyone tried to make a drive region-free (region code 0)? And if so, with what result? The problem: I have a boxed set of DVD's, 12 in all, from Region 2. I live in Region 1. A few versions of Fedora back (probably F21 or F22), I found I could play back those Region 2 disks without a problem. But now with F26, playback even on the "vlc" program gives me sound, but no picture--a black screen. Dragon refuses to play them at all. The makemkv program takes about ten minutes trying to do a workaround with the region codes not matching. Then it seems to work, but the output files all have sound (including all sound tracks if it has more than one), but no picture. Sound, video and subtitles are all muxed together on a DVD so if you have sound it is breaking the CSS Access Protection just fine. Looks like you have a problem with a missing mpeg2 video codec or something of that nature. Linux DVD playback software still isn't able to use the CSS stuff in the drive the right way, it ignores the region codes entirely and libdecss simply breaks the encryption thanks to DVD Jon's efforts in cracking the crypto and giving the break to the world. (Which is why Fedora will probably never ship that particular library.) Try mplayer from a command line and see what it has to say, verbose is of course best. IF it sees the video but can't find a codec or can't get the display drivers right it will point you to what needs troubleshooting. I don't know how to use mplayer from the command line. I shudder to think of how many switches and parameters I have to specify. Can you help with that? Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
regionset for DVD playback and ripping
Everyone: Does anyone here have experience using the program "regionset" to change the region code on a DVD player? Specifically, has anyone tried to make a drive region-free (region code 0)? And if so, with what result? The problem: I have a boxed set of DVD's, 12 in all, from Region 2. I live in Region 1. A few versions of Fedora back (probably F21 or F22), I found I could play back those Region 2 disks without a problem. But now with F26, playback even on the "vlc" program gives me sound, but no picture--a black screen. Dragon refuses to play them at all. The makemkv program takes about ten minutes trying to do a workaround with the region codes not matching. Then it seems to work, but the output files all have sound (including all sound tracks if it has more than one), but no picture. The way I see it, I can do one of two things, if I want to rip those disks: 1. Use regionset to change my DVD and BD drive temporarily to Region 2, rip the disks, then go back to Region 1. 2. Purchase and install a second optical-disk drive and use regionset to set /that/ to Region 2 and /leave it there/. The second option would cost me about $50 US. The larger problem is this: I don't necessarily want to limit myself to any one region. If I had to pick one "secondary region," it would be 2 because that includes Europe, the Middle East (including Israel), South Africa, and Japan. But if I want to play or rip a DVD from Australia, then I'm out of luck. The /really/ big hack would be to set my present optical drive to Region 0, and hope that would play any disk, from any region. But before I do something that could fry the drive forever, I would like someone to tell me whether he's ever done that before. The only alternative is to shell out $600 US for a multi-region Blu-ray and DVD player. I would like to avoid that--mainly because I would like to avoid shelling out a lot of payola for a device having an esoteric feature I might use only once in a blue moon! Especially since I fully expect optical media to become obsolete in another ten years. Any suggestions? Anecdotes? Horror stories? Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora on a NUC?
On 07/07/2017 09:28 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 07/08/17 09:19, Temlakos wrote: That pkg-config package doesn't appear to exist. I had to cut that out of the command before it would execute. When I did that, I did manage to install several more dependencies. Now unless I hear anything from anybody on what pkg-config is renamed to these days, I consider I'm ready to download those tarballs and start building. /usr/bin/pkg-config is supplied by the pkgconfig package. [root@f25f ~]# dnf info pkgconfig Last metadata expiration check: 1:15:32 ago on Sat Jul 8 08:12:17 2017. Installed Packages Name: pkgconfig Arch: x86_64 Epoch : 1 Version : 0.29.1 Release : 1.fc25 Size: 115 k Repo: @System From repo : fedora Summary : A tool for determining compilation options URL : http://pkgconfig.freedesktop.org License : GPLv2+ Description : The pkgconfig tool determines compilation options. For each required : library, it reads the configuration file and outputs the necessary : compiler and linker flags. You are correct, of course. What's more, I already had the package installed. For the benefit of everyone still following this thread, I was in fact able to compile, make, and install the program makemkv. Thus far I've tried it on a few studio DVD discs. Only one of them gave me a problem--I suspect I will find the particular title unplayable by reason of poor quality control at the factory where they stamped out the disc. Everything else I've tried to rip so far, has worked. The next test will be to do that with a Blu-ray. From what I read, you need the key--or will after this month is out, since the program is still in beta--to rip a Blu-ray but not necessarily a DVD. I'd say this option replaces the old libdvdcss. After all, if I can rip it, I can then play it again and again. Thanks to everyone for your help. Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora on a NUC?
On 07/06/2017 07:00 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: On 07/06/2017 11:35 AM, Temlakos wrote: On 06/22/2017 05:54 PM, Fred Smith wrote: On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 05:13:08PM -0400, Fred Smith wrote: On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 03:38:51PM -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 15:29:13 -0400 Temlakos wrote: All right! Where do I get that tool? I don't think I remember the name at the moment. I'm pretty sure it came up first thing when I googled "rip blu-ray on linux". if you're inquiring about "makemkv", as I mentioned earlier, here is a site that tells you how to install it on Fedora Linux. Note that I have not followed the directions on this site, so I can't vouch for them. (right now I can't find the bookmark I had made to the place where I got the instructions I did use.) https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-makemkv-on-fedora-linux One thing they don't tell you about is needing a registration key to actually make it work. The bookmark I seem to have lost showed where to go to get a key for current beta versions. Dang, I'm gonna need that soon. OK, I found the needed info. You can build the latest makemkv beta by following the instructions here: http://www.makemkv.com/forum2/viewtopic.php?f=3=224 I'm compiling on Centos 7 and there are a couple of compilation errors that need to be fixed. Solutions were easy to find by googling for the full error string. Shout if you need help with them. follow instructions at that page for compiling and installing. go to this page to get a temporary registration key: http://www.makemkv.com/forum2/viewtopic.php?f=5=1053 and if you like it, you can go buy a license which will get you a permanent key. enjoy! Your instructions at the makemkv.com forum left out one key step. How am I supposed to install the required dependencies using a method more appropriate to Debian or Ubuntu, when I'm using Fedora? You use dnf. The package names will be different (Fedora's development packages use "-devel" instead of "-dev" and they're packaged differently. I don't do apt-get. I need an rpm command. Where is it? How can I be sure that I have installed the dependencies that other method requires? You install what you think you need via dnf, then you try to build it. If the configure or build steps puke, you look at the messages and figure out what packages you need to install to clean that up. Based on what Ubuntu seems to need, my guess is you'd need to: sudo dnf install gcc pkg-config gcc-c++-c6x-linux-gnu gcc-c6x-linux-gnu openssl-devel expat-devel libavc1394-devel mesa-libGL-devel qwt5-qt4-devel That's JUST a guess. There's no clear relationship on the libavcodec and libgl1-mesa packages and Fedora uses qt5. Also: must I recompile with every new release of Fedora? Fedora 26 is coming out any day now. Must I wait? That's up to you. I doubt this will be part of the Fedora universe due to the licensing issues, you'll need to build it yourself or convince someone at Fedora or rpmfusion to maintain a package for it. That pkg-config package doesn't appear to exist. I had to cut that out of the command before it would execute. When I did that, I did manage to install several more dependencies. Now unless I hear anything from anybody on what pkg-config is renamed to these days, I consider I'm ready to download those tarballs and start building. Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora on a NUC?
On 06/22/2017 05:54 PM, Fred Smith wrote: On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 05:13:08PM -0400, Fred Smith wrote: On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 03:38:51PM -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 15:29:13 -0400 Temlakos wrote: All right! Where do I get that tool? I don't think I remember the name at the moment. I'm pretty sure it came up first thing when I googled "rip blu-ray on linux". if you're inquiring about "makemkv", as I mentioned earlier, here is a site that tells you how to install it on Fedora Linux. Note that I have not followed the directions on this site, so I can't vouch for them. (right now I can't find the bookmark I had made to the place where I got the instructions I did use.) https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-makemkv-on-fedora-linux One thing they don't tell you about is needing a registration key to actually make it work. The bookmark I seem to have lost showed where to go to get a key for current beta versions. Dang, I'm gonna need that soon. OK, I found the needed info. You can build the latest makemkv beta by following the instructions here: http://www.makemkv.com/forum2/viewtopic.php?f=3=224 I'm compiling on Centos 7 and there are a couple of compilation errors that need to be fixed. Solutions were easy to find by googling for the full error string. Shout if you need help with them. follow instructions at that page for compiling and installing. go to this page to get a temporary registration key: http://www.makemkv.com/forum2/viewtopic.php?f=5=1053 and if you like it, you can go buy a license which will get you a permanent key. enjoy! Your instructions at the makemkv.com forum left out one key step. How am I supposed to install the required dependencies using a method more appropriate to Debian or Ubuntu, when I'm using Fedora? I don't do apt-get. I need an rpm command. Where is it? How can I be sure that I have installed the dependencies that other method requires? Also: must I recompile with every new release of Fedora? Fedora 26 is coming out any day now. Must I wait? Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora on a NUC?
On 06/22/2017 03:09 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 14:34:20 -0400 Temlakos wrote: Does this tool work with studio-issued Blu-ray discs? Aren't such discs copy-protected? Worked for the movies I ripped that were commercial blu-rays. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org All right! Where do I get that tool? I have a Western Digital MyCloud Pro PR4100 NAS device, where I store all my video files. Matroska Video works well with that setup. I can even "upload" a big file to the NAS using a Web interface. Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora on a NUC?
On 06/22/2017 02:31 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 14:12:28 -0400 Temlakos wrote: (Linux does not do Blu-ray yet, more's the pity. Anyone have any idea when that will happen?) I don't know about playing them, but I'm sure I remember finding a tool that could rip them to a mkv file (a big mkv file, mind you). You could then play the mkv. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Does this tool work with studio-issued Blu-ray discs? Aren't such discs copy-protected? Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora on a NUC?
On 06/22/2017 01:52 PM, JD wrote: On 06/22/2017 11:33 AM, Go Canes wrote: I have run F22, F23, and F24 on an older NUC. It came without any OS, but at the time I bought it I needed it to run Windows. Now it dual-boots, but I rarely boot Windows anymore. I've been considering getting a 2nd NUC to run MythTV. Runs great. My only comment is to pay attention to which hdmi port you use - I ended up using port 2 instead of 1, and had to adjust things within KDE to get it working right. NUCS are not cheap :( They range in price from 400+ to just under 600 smackers. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Maybe NUCs are not cheap, but it all depends on what bells and whistles you buy with them. One thing everyone agrees on, is: you can mount them a good deal less obtrusively in a home-theater setup, /and/ they consume far less power. I'm thinking of pairing one of them with an already-smart TV. That way, I can have access to full Internet anytime I want to. I'm also thinking of tying in an external optical drive--specifically a DVD. (Linux does not do Blu-ray yet, more's the pity. Anyone have any idea when that will happen?) If I can somehow manage to get a fresh copy of the old libdvdcss package, then maybe I can build a device that can act as a regionless DVD player. Living as I do in the USA, I have mostly Region 1 DVDs and Region A Blu-rays. But I just happen to have a collection of an old 1980s TV series from Australia--issued in Germany. That, of course, is in Region 2. Now I can get a regionless DVD and Blu-ray player, /or/ I can get a NUC, equip it with an HDD and a DVD/CD player, install Fedora, and somehow find my libdvdcss.rpm and libdvdcss2.rpm files, transfer them over, and install them. (Anyone who can help me find a no-longer-distributed package on one machine for transfer to another, would be doing me a really big favor.) The second alternative would likely cost the same amount of money--but would get me more bang for my buck. Though I do have one other alternative--maybe. A wild idea. Could I disassemble this desktop, take the HDD, mount that in a NUC, and get an external DVD to go with it? Just gathering information. Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
