Re: Email Client

2019-06-12 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2019-06-11 at 20:13 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 16:13:30 -0400
> Doug McGarrett wrote:
> 
> > I find that it is difficult if not impossible 
> > to make Thunderbird mark every
> > incidence of mail from a particular address as junk and reject it.
> 
> This sort of thing is why I now go to the totally insane
> trouble of using fetchmail to suck all my mail off gmail
> and send it to a local dovecot IMAP server which supports
> the sieve filtering system. Sieve is about 10,000 times
> more capable and useful than any mail client filters I've
> ever encountered (plus by having all my mail on a local
> IMAP server, I can switch mail client with ease and have
> no problems migrating mail from one to another - not that
> I want to switch away from claws-mail :-).

Well, IMAP is of course preferable for this and other reasons. I
actually use Gmail via IMAP. I find its spam filter to be excellent.

poc
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Re: Email Client

2019-06-11 Thread Joe Zeff

On 06/11/2019 02:13 PM, Doug McGarrett wrote:
I find that it is difficult if not impossible to make Thunderbird mark 
every

incidence of mail from a particular address as junk and reject it.


Really?  I've had no trouble setting up filters that trigger on the 
sender's address.

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Re: Email Client

2019-06-11 Thread Ed Greshko
On 6/12/19 5:58 AM, Doug McGarrett wrote:
> Several times, every single incoming mail has been marked junk. I know there 
> is a multi-key
> command that will unmark the entire list, but I don't remember what it
> is. Help, anyone? Thanx! 

Ctrl-A    (Selects all messages)
Shift-J    (Marks all as Not Junk)

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Re: Email Client

2019-06-11 Thread Doug McGarrett



On 6/11/19 8:06 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 6/12/19 4:13 AM, Doug McGarrett wrote:

I find that it is difficult if not impossible to make Thunderbird mark every
incidence of mail from a particular address as junk and reject it.

Really?

Message Filters don't work properly for you?
I'll give that a try. As I mentioned, I'm not a recent user of 
Thunderbird, so I don't know how it works, exactly.
One other thing: Several times, every single incoming mail has been 
marked junk. I know there is a multi-key
command that will unmark the entire list, but I don't remember what it 
is. Help, anyone? Thanx!

--doug
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Re: Email Client

2019-06-11 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 16:13:30 -0400
Doug McGarrett wrote:

> I find that it is difficult if not impossible 
> to make Thunderbird mark every
> incidence of mail from a particular address as junk and reject it.

This sort of thing is why I now go to the totally insane
trouble of using fetchmail to suck all my mail off gmail
and send it to a local dovecot IMAP server which supports
the sieve filtering system. Sieve is about 10,000 times
more capable and useful than any mail client filters I've
ever encountered (plus by having all my mail on a local
IMAP server, I can switch mail client with ease and have
no problems migrating mail from one to another - not that
I want to switch away from claws-mail :-).
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Re: Email Client

2019-06-11 Thread Ed Greshko
On 6/12/19 4:13 AM, Doug McGarrett wrote:
> I find that it is difficult if not impossible to make Thunderbird mark every
> incidence of mail from a particular address as junk and reject it.

Really?

Message Filters don't work properly for you?

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Re: Email Client

2019-06-11 Thread Doug McGarrett



On 6/10/19 7:24 PM, Temlakos wrote:

On 6/10/19 5:42 PM, Douglas G Mckendrick via users wrote:

Evening all,
I'm after setting up an email client, I've tried thunderbird for my 
gmail account, but I get a google complaint about the client not 
being secure enough.  Is there another recommended email client?  Or 
can we make thunderbird more secure to pass the google checks?


Thanks in advance

D.


Google is going to complain no matter what e-mail client you choose. 
It assumes without warrant that any desktop or laptop from which you 
access Google Mail by any interface other than their browser 
interface, is /shared/.


Thunderbird is the best cross-platform e-mail client I can recommend.

TEmlakos


I have recently come back to Thunderbird after using a clone of an 
earlier Mozilla product. I find that it is difficult if not impossible 
to make Thunderbird mark every
incidence of mail from a particular address as junk and reject it. I 
would use something else with a similar interface, but Thunderbird is 
the only app that I have
encountered that can automatically find and configure the various 
software addresses and so on that most other applications 
require--digital numbers that I have no
idea of.  If I can't answer the setup questions, I can't try a different 
mail product. (Running Linux in two different KDE versions.) Please advise.

--doug
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Re: Email Client

2019-06-11 Thread Ted Roche
On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 7:35 AM Patrick O'Callaghan 
wrote:

>
> It's 4 years old and is not (contrary to what you say) a post from
> Mozilla, but from someone on the Mozilla forum.
>
>
That's true; I apologize for misstating the source.

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Re: Email Client

2019-06-11 Thread Ed Greshko
On 6/11/19 6:47 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Mon, 2019-06-10 at 19:24 -0400, Temlakos wrote:
>> On 6/10/19 5:42 PM, Douglas G Mckendrick via users wrote:
>>> Evening all,
>>> I'm after setting up an email client, I've tried thunderbird for my 
>>> gmail account, but I get a google complaint about the client not being 
>>> secure enough.  Is there another recommended email client?  Or can we 
>>> make thunderbird more secure to pass the google checks?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance
>>>
>>> D.
>> Google is going to complain no matter what e-mail client you choose.
> Not so. As I said above, I use it with Evolution. I occasionally have
> to renew my credentials but it works fine. I'm using it to post this.
>

As far as T-Bird and Google are concerned.  I have the following setting in my 
Google Account.

"To protect your account, apps and devices that use less secure sign-in 
technology are
blocked."

And, I use T-Bird with my Security Settings as SSL/TLS and OAuth2. 

So, it seems Google is just fine and not blocking T-Bird usage.  I'm sure that 
is much the
same for Evolution.



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Re: Email Client

2019-06-11 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2019-06-10 at 19:24 -0400, Temlakos wrote:
> On 6/10/19 5:42 PM, Douglas G Mckendrick via users wrote:
> > Evening all,
> > I'm after setting up an email client, I've tried thunderbird for my 
> > gmail account, but I get a google complaint about the client not being 
> > secure enough.  Is there another recommended email client?  Or can we 
> > make thunderbird more secure to pass the google checks?
> > 
> > Thanks in advance
> > 
> > D.
> 
> Google is going to complain no matter what e-mail client you choose.

Not so. As I said above, I use it with Evolution. I occasionally have
to renew my credentials but it works fine. I'm using it to post this.

poc
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Re: Email Client

2019-06-11 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2019-06-10 at 18:49 -0400, Ted Roche wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 6:30 PM Douglas G Mckendrick via users <
> users@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> 
> > Evening all,
> > I'm after setting up an email client, I've tried thunderbird for my gmail
> > account, but I get a google complaint about the client not being secure
> > enough.  Is there another recommended email client?  Or can we make
> > thunderbird more secure to pass the google checks?
> > 
> > 
> You can't always believe what you read on the Internet, even if it's from
> "Do No Evil" Google.'

It's 4 years old and is not (contrary to what you say) a post from
Mozilla, but from someone on the Mozilla forum.

poc
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Re: Email Client

2019-06-11 Thread John Pilkington

On 11/06/2019 05:44, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 6/10/19 4:55 PM, Douglas G Mckendrick via users wrote:
Is there still an rpm repository you can search?  I'm not too keen on 
the new software list.  It doesn't seem to want to show all searches 
of software, more fedora recommendations?   Unless maybe it was the 
updates needed doing first.


If you want to search everything, you need to use dnf on the command 
line.  The Gnome Software application only shows graphical applications, 
not libraries or command line tools.  (It will do updates of everything 
though.)


In the el7 clone, SL7, I find yumex, the Yum Extender, is a useful 
graphical package manager.  It's in the epel repo.


Yumex-dnf seems to have been dropped.  I think the nearest equivalent in 
F30 is probably dnfdragora.  I sometimes use it in F29.


Raw package lists here:

https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/30/Everything/x86_64/os/Packages/

John P


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Re: Email Client

2019-06-10 Thread Samuel Sieb

On 6/10/19 4:55 PM, Douglas G Mckendrick via users wrote:
Is there still an rpm repository you can search?  I'm not too keen on 
the new software list.  It doesn't seem to want to show all searches of 
software, more fedora recommendations?   Unless maybe it was the updates 
needed doing first.


If you want to search everything, you need to use dnf on the command 
line.  The Gnome Software application only shows graphical applications, 
not libraries or command line tools.  (It will do updates of everything 
though.)

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Re: Email Client

2019-06-10 Thread stan via users
On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 00:55:42 +0100
Douglas G Mckendrick via users  wrote:

> Is there still an rpm repository you can search?  I'm not too keen on
> the new software list.  It doesn't seem to want to show all searches
> of software, more fedora recommendations?   Unless maybe it was the
> updates needed doing first.

If you ran 
dnf update
then it would only show you updates for already installed packages.

Try 
dnf search  | less
to see what is available with that phrase associated.  Can be a lot,
thus the pipe to less.
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Re: Email Client

2019-06-10 Thread Tom Horsley
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 18:49:29 -0400
Ted Roche wrote:

> Mozilla says they are blowing smoke:
> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1044903

I agree. I enable pop and imap so I can use fetchmail
and I just ignore all the warnings google sends me every
so often.

I suppose I'd be willing to switch to OAUTH2 if a version
of fetchmail ever showed up that officially supported
it, but all I hear about are rumors and unofficial
patches the last time I checked.
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Re: Email Client

2019-06-10 Thread Douglas G Mckendrick via users
>Tuesday 11th June messages
>top posting of previous messages.
>not sure how to bottom post from phone



Thanks Temlakos,  Ted, Frank and Patrick.

I've got Thunderbird up and running, I had an idea it was Google wanting
some monopoly.  I just wasn't too sure, I figured Google was still a friend.
What would be interesting is, what exactly you lose in security?  Maybe
just the benefit of cross platform information and pin codes?  I still
received an email for log in.
I managed to find emacs, woohoo! Although Vim users might be more a boohoo
lol.  Next question...
Is there still an rpm repository you can search?  I'm not too keen on the
new software list.  It doesn't seem to want to show all searches of
software, more fedora recommendations?   Unless maybe it was the updates
needed doing first.

On Tue, 11 Jun 2019, 00:41 Temlakos,  wrote:

> On 6/10/19 5:42 PM, Douglas G Mckendrick via users wrote:
>
> Evening all,
> I'm after setting up an email client, I've tried thunderbird for my gmail
> account, but I get a google complaint about the client not being secure
> enough.  Is there another recommended email client?  Or can we make
> thunderbird more secure to pass the google checks?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> D.
>
> Google is going to complain no matter what e-mail client you choose. It
> assumes without warrant that any desktop or laptop from which you access
> Google Mail by any interface other than their browser interface, is
> *shared*.
>
> Thunderbird is the best cross-platform e-mail client I can recommend.
>
> TEmlakos
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Re: Email Client

2019-06-10 Thread Dave Stevens
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 19:24:48 -0400
Temlakos  wrote:

> > Evening all,
> > I'm after setting up an email client, I've tried thunderbird for my 
> > gmail account, but I get a google complaint about the client not
> > being secure enough.  Is there another recommended email client?
> > Or can we make thunderbird more secure to pass the google checks?
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> >
> > D.  

I use claws which is simple and fast. It's a bit idiosyncratic but
there's a very active email support list. Works well for me.

D


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Re: Email Client

2019-06-10 Thread Temlakos

On 6/10/19 5:42 PM, Douglas G Mckendrick via users wrote:

Evening all,
I'm after setting up an email client, I've tried thunderbird for my 
gmail account, but I get a google complaint about the client not being 
secure enough.  Is there another recommended email client?  Or can we 
make thunderbird more secure to pass the google checks?


Thanks in advance

D.


Google is going to complain no matter what e-mail client you choose. It 
assumes without warrant that any desktop or laptop from which you access 
Google Mail by any interface other than their browser interface, is 
/shared/.


Thunderbird is the best cross-platform e-mail client I can recommend.

TEmlakos

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Re: Email Client

2019-06-10 Thread Ted Roche
On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 6:30 PM Douglas G Mckendrick via users <
users@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:

> Evening all,
> I'm after setting up an email client, I've tried thunderbird for my gmail
> account, but I get a google complaint about the client not being secure
> enough.  Is there another recommended email client?  Or can we make
> thunderbird more secure to pass the google checks?
>
>
You can't always believe what you read on the Internet, even if it's from
"Do No Evil" Google.'

Mozilla says they are blowing smoke:
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1044903

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Re: Email Client

2019-06-10 Thread Frank McCormick



On 6/10/19 6:42 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Mon, 2019-06-10 at 22:42 +0100, Douglas G Mckendrick via users
wrote:

Evening all,
I'm after setting up an email client, I've tried thunderbird for my gmail
account, but I get a google complaint about the client not being secure
enough.  Is there another recommended email client?  Or can we make
thunderbird more secure to pass the google checks?


I use Evolution myself (with two Google accounts including this one)
but Thunderbird should work perfectly well. It would be useful to see
the exact error message you're getting, but note that if you have 2FA
configured for the account you may need to use the Gnome Online
Accounts widget to set it up.

poc


There are ways around the problem. I use Thunderbird all the time.
This is from Googles help page:

Change account access for less secure apps
To help keep Google Accounts through work, school, or other groups more 
secure, we block some less secure apps from using them. If you have this 
kind of account, you’ll see a "Password incorrect" error when trying to 
sign in. If so, you have two options:


Option 1: Install a more secure app that uses stronger security 
measures. All Google products, like Gmail, use the latest security measures.
Option 2: Change your settings to allow less secure apps into your 
account. We don't recommend this option because it can make it easier 
for someone to break into your account. If you want to allow access 
anyway, follow these steps:

Go to your Google Account.
On the left navigation panel, click Security.
On the bottom of the page, in the Less secure app access panel, click 
Turn on access.
 If you don't see this setting, your administrator might have turned 
off less secure app account access.
If you still can't sign in to your account, learn more about the 
"password incorrect" error.



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Re: Email Client

2019-06-10 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2019-06-10 at 22:42 +0100, Douglas G Mckendrick via users
wrote:
> Evening all,
> I'm after setting up an email client, I've tried thunderbird for my gmail
> account, but I get a google complaint about the client not being secure
> enough.  Is there another recommended email client?  Or can we make
> thunderbird more secure to pass the google checks?

I use Evolution myself (with two Google accounts including this one)
but Thunderbird should work perfectly well. It would be useful to see
the exact error message you're getting, but note that if you have 2FA
configured for the account you may need to use the Gnome Online
Accounts widget to set it up.

poc
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Email Client

2019-06-10 Thread Douglas G Mckendrick via users
Evening all,
I'm after setting up an email client, I've tried thunderbird for my gmail
account, but I get a google complaint about the client not being secure
enough.  Is there another recommended email client?  Or can we make
thunderbird more secure to pass the google checks?

Thanks in advance

D.
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Re: sms reader / email client?

2013-08-09 Thread Mateusz Marzantowicz
On 08.08.2013 01:37, Ian Malone wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Having just changed my phone I've got a lot of backed up messages in
 csv format (without the sender name, so I'm going to have to reconcile
 it with the separate contacts backup). While there are ways to get tem
 onto my new phone I'm not really sure I want them there, but some are
 useful and need to be kept. What I'm wondering is if there's some kind
 of desktop reader that can handle this. I'd have thought an email
 client, or groupware like evolution would have a way to handle SMS,
 but haven't found anything so far (there are addons for *sending*, but
 not sure they do what I want, which is ability to sort, search and
 browse received messages).
 

Since csv is plain text with separators you can use any text editor or
other text manipulation program from plethora of tools available in
UNIX/Linux world - cat, less, grep for example.

It might not be easy for e-mail client to understand all combinations of
exported data from different mobile devices. This might be the reason
you have your data in csv (plain text) and not in proprietary backup
file format.


Mateusz Marzantowicz
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sms reader / email client?

2013-08-07 Thread Ian Malone
Hi,

Having just changed my phone I've got a lot of backed up messages in
csv format (without the sender name, so I'm going to have to reconcile
it with the separate contacts backup). While there are ways to get tem
onto my new phone I'm not really sure I want them there, but some are
useful and need to be kept. What I'm wondering is if there's some kind
of desktop reader that can handle this. I'd have thought an email
client, or groupware like evolution would have a way to handle SMS,
but haven't found anything so far (there are addons for *sending*, but
not sure they do what I want, which is ability to sort, search and
browse received messages).

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