Re: OO and OS X El Capitan 10.11.5

2016-06-25 Thread Rochelle 
Thank you Kay, much appreciated.

On Saturday, June 25, 2016, Kay Schenk  wrote:

> On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 12:28 PM, Rochelle  > wrote:
>
> > This may be a bit off topic but it does refer to IOS updates and
> > compatability, which has delayed me from upgrading to El Capitan.
> >
> > I've had no problems with AOO when updating my IOS Yosemite.  However, I
> > have had incompatibility with my Lexmark Printer everytime I do a minor
> > upgrade.  The software update corrupts my printer files, making my
> printer
> > useless and has required me to pay tech support from LEXMARK.
> >
> > I'm not sure if this is an AOO issue or IOS or select printer issue.
> >
> > I find that in the past several months, whenever I make minor updates on
> my
> > mac IOS, it corrupts my Lexmark printer files which makes my laptop
> unable
> > to communicate with printer.  I have tech support available by phone and
> > with permission, they can access my files and input from my computer, but
> > I'm not comfortable doing that all the time.  The tech help is also very
> > expensive. Lexmark support seems to indicate I wouldn't be able to delete
> > and upload new printer files on my own.  The techies sometimes having
> > difficulty themselves, as I witness the swirls of cursor movement and
> > clicked icons.
> >
> > I realize Lexmark is no longer manufacturing printers and at the moment
> am
> > dependent on their expensive tech support ($119 for 3 events), each time
> I
> > update or upgrade my IOS.
> >
> > Question, does anyone know of how to delete and install printer files in
> a
> > simple way so I can do this myself?  It was a simple process when I had
> an
> > HP printer, using AOO.  Otherwise, this is a great printer with many
> > features that I use and would prefer to not get a new printer.
> >
> > Until then I hesitate to make any updates, especially to El Capitan.
> >
> > Printer: LEXMARK Platinum Pro 905 wireless  manufactured 2009
> > IOS : OSX Yosemite 10.10
> > Apache Open Office  4.0
> >
> > Rochelle
> >
>
> ​Rochelle --
>
>  Lexmark does claim to provide drivers for Mac OSX El Capitan.
>
> Please see:
>
> http://www.lexmark.com/en_US/support-downloads/osx-compatibility.shtml?linkSelected=node4
>
> Hopefully you  can install whatever driver you need yourself.
> ​
>
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 8:06 AM, Felmon Davis  > wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, 24 Jun 2016, Lucetta wrote:
> > >
> > > Much appreciated Paul!
> > >>
> > >> Lucetta
> > >>
> > >> On Jun 23, 2016, at 7:52 PM, Ranger test <
> rang...@southernphone.com.au >
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Hello Lucetta,
> > >>>
> > >>> I have OO 4.1.2 installed and am running El Capitan without any
> > problems.
> > >>>
> > >>> For OO, there are no compatibility issues with El Capitan.  HOWEVER
> El
> > >>> Capitan makes countless other (often expensive software e.g. earlier
> > >>> versions of Photoshop) software programs unworkable.
> > >>>
> > >>> Hope this OO / El Capitan advice helps.
> > >>>
> > >>> Paul.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > > a friend of mine reports the following:
> > >
> > > -
> > >
> > > The problems with libreoffice occurred in two different macs, one
> macbook
> > > pro the other one iMac. The mac function for full-screen (complicated
> to
> > > explain in an email, but very useful) does not get along with
> > libreoffice:
> > > the screen flickers and goes black, and even when it works, there is a
> > very
> > > narrow (but still annoying) black line atop the page. There also issues
> > > with the headings and styles: you need to tell them one by one so that
> > they
> > > appear in the document map. And then there were minor things which
> > perhaps
> > > are not even problems: the fn indicator is not superscripted, you need
> to
> > > save the docs in their own format for all the functions to be
> available,
> > > etc.
> > >
> > > For whatever it is worth I did find internet discussions of some of the
> > > issues above.
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > anyone hear of these? looks like there are some issues if these
> features
> > > are important to a person.
> > >
> > > f.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Felmon Davis
> > >
> > > Oh, love is real enough, you will find it some day, but it has one
> > > arch-enemy -- and that is life.
> > > -- Jean Anouilh, "Ardele"
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> >
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RE: OO and OS X El Capitan 10.11.5

2016-06-25 Thread Ella Oblas 
Thank you.  I will read over what you sent us very carefully.

I upgraded to Windows 10 and have problems too,





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From: Kay Schenk<mailto:kay.sch...@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2016 12:17 PM
To: users@openoffice.apache.org<mailto:users@openoffice.apache.org>
Subject: Re: OO and OS X El Capitan 10.11.5



On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 12:28 PM, Rochelle <rhub...@gmail.com> wrote:

> This may be a bit off topic but it does refer to IOS updates and
> compatability, which has delayed me from upgrading to El Capitan.
>
> I've had no problems with AOO when updating my IOS Yosemite.  However, I
> have had incompatibility with my Lexmark Printer everytime I do a minor
> upgrade.  The software update corrupts my printer files, making my printer
> useless and has required me to pay tech support from LEXMARK.
>
> I'm not sure if this is an AOO issue or IOS or select printer issue.
>
> I find that in the past several months, whenever I make minor updates on my
> mac IOS, it corrupts my Lexmark printer files which makes my laptop unable
> to communicate with printer.  I have tech support available by phone and
> with permission, they can access my files and input from my computer, but
> I'm not comfortable doing that all the time.  The tech help is also very
> expensive. Lexmark support seems to indicate I wouldn't be able to delete
> and upload new printer files on my own.  The techies sometimes having
> difficulty themselves, as I witness the swirls of cursor movement and
> clicked icons.
>
> I realize Lexmark is no longer manufacturing printers and at the moment am
> dependent on their expensive tech support ($119 for 3 events), each time I
> update or upgrade my IOS.
>
> Question, does anyone know of how to delete and install printer files in a
> simple way so I can do this myself?  It was a simple process when I had an
> HP printer, using AOO.  Otherwise, this is a great printer with many
> features that I use and would prefer to not get a new printer.
>
> Until then I hesitate to make any updates, especially to El Capitan.
>
> Printer: LEXMARK Platinum Pro 905 wireless  manufactured 2009
> IOS : OSX Yosemite 10.10
> Apache Open Office  4.0
>
> Rochelle
>

​Rochelle --

 Lexmark does claim to provide drivers for Mac OSX El Capitan.

Please see:
http://www.lexmark.com/en_US/support-downloads/osx-compatibility.shtml?linkSelected=node4

Hopefully you  can install whatever driver you need yourself.
​

>
> On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 8:06 AM, Felmon Davis <dav...@union.edu> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 24 Jun 2016, Lucetta wrote:
> >
> > Much appreciated Paul!
> >>
> >> Lucetta
> >>
> >> On Jun 23, 2016, at 7:52 PM, Ranger test <rang...@southernphone.com.au>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hello Lucetta,
> >>>
> >>> I have OO 4.1.2 installed and am running El Capitan without any
> problems.
> >>>
> >>> For OO, there are no compatibility issues with El Capitan.  HOWEVER El
> >>> Capitan makes countless other (often expensive software e.g. earlier
> >>> versions of Photoshop) software programs unworkable.
> >>>
> >>> Hope this OO / El Capitan advice helps.
> >>>
> >>> Paul.
> >>>
> >>
> > a friend of mine reports the following:
> >
> > -
> >
> > The problems with libreoffice occurred in two different macs, one macbook
> > pro the other one iMac. The mac function for full-screen (complicated to
> > explain in an email, but very useful) does not get along with
> libreoffice:
> > the screen flickers and goes black, and even when it works, there is a
> very
> > narrow (but still annoying) black line atop the page. There also issues
> > with the headings and styles: you need to tell them one by one so that
> they
> > appear in the document map. And then there were minor things which
> perhaps
> > are not even problems: the fn indicator is not superscripted, you need to
> > save the docs in their own format for all the functions to be available,
> > etc.
> >
> > For whatever it is worth I did find internet discussions of some of the
> > issues above.
> >
> > 
> >
> > anyone hear of these? looks like there are some issues if these features
> > are important to a person.
> >
> > f.
> >
> > --
> > Felmon Davis
> >
> > Oh, love is real enough, you will find it some day, but it has one
> > arch-enemy -- and that is life.
> > -- Jean Anouilh, "Ardele"
> >
> >
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> > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
> >
> >
>



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Re: OO and OS X El Capitan 10.11.5

2016-06-25 Thread Kay Schenk 
On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 12:28 PM, Rochelle  wrote:

> This may be a bit off topic but it does refer to IOS updates and
> compatability, which has delayed me from upgrading to El Capitan.
>
> I've had no problems with AOO when updating my IOS Yosemite.  However, I
> have had incompatibility with my Lexmark Printer everytime I do a minor
> upgrade.  The software update corrupts my printer files, making my printer
> useless and has required me to pay tech support from LEXMARK.
>
> I'm not sure if this is an AOO issue or IOS or select printer issue.
>
> I find that in the past several months, whenever I make minor updates on my
> mac IOS, it corrupts my Lexmark printer files which makes my laptop unable
> to communicate with printer.  I have tech support available by phone and
> with permission, they can access my files and input from my computer, but
> I'm not comfortable doing that all the time.  The tech help is also very
> expensive. Lexmark support seems to indicate I wouldn't be able to delete
> and upload new printer files on my own.  The techies sometimes having
> difficulty themselves, as I witness the swirls of cursor movement and
> clicked icons.
>
> I realize Lexmark is no longer manufacturing printers and at the moment am
> dependent on their expensive tech support ($119 for 3 events), each time I
> update or upgrade my IOS.
>
> Question, does anyone know of how to delete and install printer files in a
> simple way so I can do this myself?  It was a simple process when I had an
> HP printer, using AOO.  Otherwise, this is a great printer with many
> features that I use and would prefer to not get a new printer.
>
> Until then I hesitate to make any updates, especially to El Capitan.
>
> Printer: LEXMARK Platinum Pro 905 wireless  manufactured 2009
> IOS : OSX Yosemite 10.10
> Apache Open Office  4.0
>
> Rochelle
>

​Rochelle --

 Lexmark does claim to provide drivers for Mac OSX El Capitan.

Please see:
http://www.lexmark.com/en_US/support-downloads/osx-compatibility.shtml?linkSelected=node4

Hopefully you  can install whatever driver you need yourself.
​

>
> On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 8:06 AM, Felmon Davis  wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 24 Jun 2016, Lucetta wrote:
> >
> > Much appreciated Paul!
> >>
> >> Lucetta
> >>
> >> On Jun 23, 2016, at 7:52 PM, Ranger test 
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hello Lucetta,
> >>>
> >>> I have OO 4.1.2 installed and am running El Capitan without any
> problems.
> >>>
> >>> For OO, there are no compatibility issues with El Capitan.  HOWEVER El
> >>> Capitan makes countless other (often expensive software e.g. earlier
> >>> versions of Photoshop) software programs unworkable.
> >>>
> >>> Hope this OO / El Capitan advice helps.
> >>>
> >>> Paul.
> >>>
> >>
> > a friend of mine reports the following:
> >
> > -
> >
> > The problems with libreoffice occurred in two different macs, one macbook
> > pro the other one iMac. The mac function for full-screen (complicated to
> > explain in an email, but very useful) does not get along with
> libreoffice:
> > the screen flickers and goes black, and even when it works, there is a
> very
> > narrow (but still annoying) black line atop the page. There also issues
> > with the headings and styles: you need to tell them one by one so that
> they
> > appear in the document map. And then there were minor things which
> perhaps
> > are not even problems: the fn indicator is not superscripted, you need to
> > save the docs in their own format for all the functions to be available,
> > etc.
> >
> > For whatever it is worth I did find internet discussions of some of the
> > issues above.
> >
> > 
> >
> > anyone hear of these? looks like there are some issues if these features
> > are important to a person.
> >
> > f.
> >
> > --
> > Felmon Davis
> >
> > Oh, love is real enough, you will find it some day, but it has one
> > arch-enemy -- and that is life.
> > -- Jean Anouilh, "Ardele"
> >
> >
> > -
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
> >
> >
>



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Re: OO and OS X El Capitan 10.11.5

2016-06-24 Thread Felmon Davis 


sorry, I sent this to the wrong list, my friend had trouble with 
LibreOffice.


perhaps still, do any of these problems occur with OpenOffice? great 
to know they don't since I could encourage him to try it again.


f.


On Fri, 24 Jun 2016, Felmon Davis wrote:


On Fri, 24 Jun 2016, Lucetta wrote:


Much appreciated Paul!

Lucetta

On Jun 23, 2016, at 7:52 PM, Ranger test  
wrote:


Hello Lucetta,

I have OO 4.1.2 installed and am running El Capitan without any problems.

For OO, there are no compatibility issues with El Capitan.  HOWEVER El 
Capitan makes countless other (often expensive software e.g. earlier 
versions of Photoshop) software programs unworkable.


Hope this OO / El Capitan advice helps.

Paul.


a friend of mine reports the following:

-

The problems with libreoffice occurred in two different macs, one macbook pro 
the other one iMac. The mac function for full-screen (complicated to explain 
in an email, but very useful) does not get along with libreoffice: the screen 
flickers and goes black, and even when it works, there is a very narrow (but 
still annoying) black line atop the page. There also issues with the headings 
and styles: you need to tell them one by one so that they appear in the 
document map. And then there were minor things which perhaps are not even 
problems: the fn indicator is not superscripted, you need to save the docs in 
their own format for all the functions to be available, etc.


For whatever it is worth I did find internet discussions of some of the 
issues above.




anyone hear of these? looks like there are some issues if these features are 
important to a person.


f.




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Re: OO and OS X El Capitan 10.11.5

2016-06-24 Thread Rochelle 
This may be a bit off topic but it does refer to IOS updates and
compatability, which has delayed me from upgrading to El Capitan.

I've had no problems with AOO when updating my IOS Yosemite.  However, I
have had incompatibility with my Lexmark Printer everytime I do a minor
upgrade.  The software update corrupts my printer files, making my printer
useless and has required me to pay tech support from LEXMARK.

I'm not sure if this is an AOO issue or IOS or select printer issue.

I find that in the past several months, whenever I make minor updates on my
mac IOS, it corrupts my Lexmark printer files which makes my laptop unable
to communicate with printer.  I have tech support available by phone and
with permission, they can access my files and input from my computer, but
I'm not comfortable doing that all the time.  The tech help is also very
expensive. Lexmark support seems to indicate I wouldn't be able to delete
and upload new printer files on my own.  The techies sometimes having
difficulty themselves, as I witness the swirls of cursor movement and
clicked icons.

I realize Lexmark is no longer manufacturing printers and at the moment am
dependent on their expensive tech support ($119 for 3 events), each time I
update or upgrade my IOS.

Question, does anyone know of how to delete and install printer files in a
simple way so I can do this myself?  It was a simple process when I had an
HP printer, using AOO.  Otherwise, this is a great printer with many
features that I use and would prefer to not get a new printer.

Until then I hesitate to make any updates, especially to El Capitan.

Printer: LEXMARK Platinum Pro 905 wireless  manufactured 2009
IOS : OSX Yosemite 10.10
Apache Open Office  4.0

Rochelle

On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 8:06 AM, Felmon Davis  wrote:

> On Fri, 24 Jun 2016, Lucetta wrote:
>
> Much appreciated Paul!
>>
>> Lucetta
>>
>> On Jun 23, 2016, at 7:52 PM, Ranger test 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Lucetta,
>>>
>>> I have OO 4.1.2 installed and am running El Capitan without any problems.
>>>
>>> For OO, there are no compatibility issues with El Capitan.  HOWEVER El
>>> Capitan makes countless other (often expensive software e.g. earlier
>>> versions of Photoshop) software programs unworkable.
>>>
>>> Hope this OO / El Capitan advice helps.
>>>
>>> Paul.
>>>
>>
> a friend of mine reports the following:
>
> -
>
> The problems with libreoffice occurred in two different macs, one macbook
> pro the other one iMac. The mac function for full-screen (complicated to
> explain in an email, but very useful) does not get along with libreoffice:
> the screen flickers and goes black, and even when it works, there is a very
> narrow (but still annoying) black line atop the page. There also issues
> with the headings and styles: you need to tell them one by one so that they
> appear in the document map. And then there were minor things which perhaps
> are not even problems: the fn indicator is not superscripted, you need to
> save the docs in their own format for all the functions to be available,
> etc.
>
> For whatever it is worth I did find internet discussions of some of the
> issues above.
>
> 
>
> anyone hear of these? looks like there are some issues if these features
> are important to a person.
>
> f.
>
> --
> Felmon Davis
>
> Oh, love is real enough, you will find it some day, but it has one
> arch-enemy -- and that is life.
> -- Jean Anouilh, "Ardele"
>
>
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Re: OO and OS X El Capitan 10.11.5

2016-06-24 Thread Felmon Davis 

On Fri, 24 Jun 2016, Lucetta wrote:


Much appreciated Paul!

Lucetta


On Jun 23, 2016, at 7:52 PM, Ranger test  wrote:

Hello Lucetta,

I have OO 4.1.2 installed and am running El Capitan without any problems.

For OO, there are no compatibility issues with El Capitan.  HOWEVER El Capitan 
makes countless other (often expensive software e.g. earlier versions of 
Photoshop) software programs unworkable.

Hope this OO / El Capitan advice helps.

Paul.


a friend of mine reports the following:

-

The problems with libreoffice occurred in two different macs, one 
macbook pro the other one iMac. The mac function for full-screen 
(complicated to explain in an email, but very useful) does not get 
along with libreoffice: the screen flickers and goes black, and even 
when it works, there is a very narrow (but still annoying) black line 
atop the page. There also issues with the headings and styles: you 
need to tell them one by one so that they appear in the document map. 
And then there were minor things which perhaps are not even problems: 
the fn indicator is not superscripted, you need to save the docs in 
their own format for all the functions to be available, etc.


For whatever it is worth I did find internet discussions of some of 
the issues above.




anyone hear of these? looks like there are some issues if these 
features are important to a person.


f.

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arch-enemy -- and that is life.
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Re: OO and OS X El Capitan 10.11.5

2016-06-24 Thread Lucetta 
Much appreciated Paul! 

Lucetta

> On Jun 23, 2016, at 7:52 PM, Ranger test  wrote:
> 
> Hello Lucetta,
> 
> I have OO 4.1.2 installed and am running El Capitan without any problems. 
> 
> For OO, there are no compatibility issues with El Capitan.  HOWEVER El 
> Capitan makes countless other (often expensive software e.g. earlier versions 
> of Photoshop) software programs unworkable.
> 
> Hope this OO / El Capitan advice helps.
> 
> Paul.
> 
> 
>> On 24 Jun 2016, at 8:10 AM, Lucetta  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi friends, I have upgraded to OO 4.1.1 and am considering upgrading to El 
>> Capitan. Nothing at all has shown up on a search.
>> 
>> Has anyone done this successfully?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance
>> 
>> Really appreciate the efforts of everyone here. Just reading everything is a 
>> great education. 
>> 
>> Lucetta
>> 
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Re: OO and OS X El Capitan 10.11.5

2016-06-23 Thread Ranger test 
Hello Lucetta,

I have OO 4.1.2 installed and am running El Capitan without any problems. 

For OO, there are no compatibility issues with El Capitan.  HOWEVER El Capitan 
makes countless other (often expensive software e.g. earlier versions of 
Photoshop) software programs unworkable.

Hope this OO / El Capitan advice helps.

Paul.


> On 24 Jun 2016, at 8:10 AM, Lucetta  wrote:
> 
> Hi friends, I have upgraded to OO 4.1.1 and am considering upgrading to El 
> Capitan. Nothing at all has shown up on a search.
> 
> Has anyone done this successfully?
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> Really appreciate the efforts of everyone here. Just reading everything is a 
> great education. 
> 
> Lucetta
> 
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Re: OO and OS X El Capitan 10.11.5

2016-06-23 Thread Lucetta 
Great Steve! Thank you so much for your swift reply. Much appreciated!

> On Jun 23, 2016, at 6:16 PM, Steve Ahlers  
> wrote:
> 
> Lucetta,
> 
> Running OO 4.1.2 on El Capitan with no issues.  Would recommend that you 
> update your printer driver after you update to El Capitan.
> 
> Steve
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jun 23, 2016, at 3:10 PM, Lucetta  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi friends, I have upgraded to OO 4.1.1 and am considering upgrading to El 
>> Capitan. Nothing at all has shown up on a search.
>> 
>> Has anyone done this successfully?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance
>> 
>> Really appreciate the efforts of everyone here. Just reading everything is a 
>> great education. 
>> 
>> Lucetta
>> 
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Re: OO and OS X El Capitan 10.11.5

2016-06-23 Thread Steve Ahlers 
Lucetta,

Running OO 4.1.2 on El Capitan with no issues.  Would recommend that you update 
your printer driver after you update to El Capitan.

Steve
Sent from my iPad

On Jun 23, 2016, at 3:10 PM, Lucetta  wrote:

> Hi friends, I have upgraded to OO 4.1.1 and am considering upgrading to El 
> Capitan. Nothing at all has shown up on a search.
> 
> Has anyone done this successfully?
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> Really appreciate the efforts of everyone here. Just reading everything is a 
> great education. 
> 
> Lucetta
> 
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OO and OS X El Capitan 10.11.5

2016-06-23 Thread Lucetta 
Hi friends, I have upgraded to OO 4.1.1 and am considering upgrading to El 
Capitan. Nothing at all has shown up on a search.

Has anyone done this successfully?

Thanks in advance

Really appreciate the efforts of everyone here. Just reading everything is a 
great education. 

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