Re: [ovirt-users] Educational use case question
Yes but what about the student sitting on the Windows machine in the lab who wants to install and interact with her VM via it's GUI ... like is possible in Virtual Machine Manager on RHEL/CentOS 7 ... except she'd be doing it remotely via an in-browser console ... like Digital Ocean do for example. On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 12:24 PM, Yair Zaslavsky <yzaslav...@aconex.com> wrote: > Be advised that after installation is done, you can manage VMs using the > ovirt webadmin. > > > ------ > *From: *"Michael Hall" <m...@mjhall.org> > *To: *users@ovirt.org > *Sent: *Thursday, 14 April, 2016 12:19:28 PM > *Subject: *Re: [ovirt-users] Educational use case question > > > Thanks Julian, I'm in Mildura in VIC. > > I was hoping for a "pure" web-based client console solution, not something > like the VMware desktop client. > > > Anyway, I'm not going to get too hung up on this. Even if we go VMware > because it "just works" and everyone's happy with it, we'll still do plenty > of CentOS/Fedora. > > There is also a case to be made that our students are much more likely to > encounter VMware in a corporate environment that KVM. And Windows. And > iPads. Yawn. > > Thanks > > On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 11:22 AM, Julian De Marchi < > jul...@jdcomputers.com.au> wrote: > >> Hey Michael, >> >> > I am teaching IT subjects in TAFE (a kind of post-secondary technical >> > college) in Australia. >> >> Great news for this tech to be in tafe. I remember my time at Logan tafe >> got me into linux. >> >> >> We are currently looking for a virtualisation platform that will allow >>> students to install and manage VMs via web interface. >>> >>> VMware is being proposed but I am trying to get KVM and the RedHat >>> ecosystem in the lab as much as possible. >>> >>> I have reasonable experience with running virt manager on CentOS 7, but >>> oVirt is new. I have it installed and running OK but am not sure how to >>> proceed with configuration. >>> >>> I basically want to run a single physical server which will be the KVM >>> host, the ISO and data store, and the home of oVirt engine ... in other >>> words a complete oVirt-managed KVM virtualisation platform running on one >>> physical machine (32GB RAM). It will only ever need to run a handful of >>> VMs >>> with little or no real data or load. Is this possible/feasible? >>> >>> If possible/feasible, where should oVirt engine go ... on the host >>> itself, >>> or into a VM guest? >>> >> >> If it was me, I would do the engine install on the metal host itself. >> Will be a lot easier for you, as long as you _know_ you will not be adding >> more metal nodes to the oVirt setup. >> >> I would also be looking into the "VM Pool" feature for your student. This >> will give you a pool of VMs which after use can be reset to a default >> configuration. >> >> The web interface is what is making oVirt an attractive option at this >>> stage, as students will be working from Windows clients on a corporate >>> network. Do VM GUI display well in the browser? >>> >> >> I have no experience using oVirt from Windows, but if there is a splice >> client available I see no reason why it shouldn't work. >> >> If you're local to QLD, I am more then happy to help in person. >> >> --julian >> >> ___ >> Users mailing list >> Users@ovirt.org >> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users >> > > > ___ > Users mailing list > Users@ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > > ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [ovirt-users] Educational use case question
Thanks Julian, I'm in Mildura in VIC. I was hoping for a "pure" web-based client console solution, not something like the VMware desktop client. Anyway, I'm not going to get too hung up on this. Even if we go VMware because it "just works" and everyone's happy with it, we'll still do plenty of CentOS/Fedora. There is also a case to be made that our students are much more likely to encounter VMware in a corporate environment that KVM. And Windows. And iPads. Yawn. Thanks On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 11:22 AM, Julian De Marchi < jul...@jdcomputers.com.au> wrote: > Hey Michael, > > > I am teaching IT subjects in TAFE (a kind of post-secondary technical > > college) in Australia. > > Great news for this tech to be in tafe. I remember my time at Logan tafe > got me into linux. > > > We are currently looking for a virtualisation platform that will allow >> students to install and manage VMs via web interface. >> >> VMware is being proposed but I am trying to get KVM and the RedHat >> ecosystem in the lab as much as possible. >> >> I have reasonable experience with running virt manager on CentOS 7, but >> oVirt is new. I have it installed and running OK but am not sure how to >> proceed with configuration. >> >> I basically want to run a single physical server which will be the KVM >> host, the ISO and data store, and the home of oVirt engine ... in other >> words a complete oVirt-managed KVM virtualisation platform running on one >> physical machine (32GB RAM). It will only ever need to run a handful of >> VMs >> with little or no real data or load. Is this possible/feasible? >> >> If possible/feasible, where should oVirt engine go ... on the host itself, >> or into a VM guest? >> > > If it was me, I would do the engine install on the metal host itself. Will > be a lot easier for you, as long as you _know_ you will not be adding more > metal nodes to the oVirt setup. > > I would also be looking into the "VM Pool" feature for your student. This > will give you a pool of VMs which after use can be reset to a default > configuration. > > The web interface is what is making oVirt an attractive option at this >> stage, as students will be working from Windows clients on a corporate >> network. Do VM GUI display well in the browser? >> > > I have no experience using oVirt from Windows, but if there is a splice > client available I see no reason why it shouldn't work. > > If you're local to QLD, I am more then happy to help in person. > > --julian > > ___ > Users mailing list > Users@ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users > ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [ovirt-users] Educational use case question
Thanks for the response. I did see that page and certainly agree with the point under "Benefit to oVirt" heading: "This operational mode will attract users already familiar with it from other virt platforms." I'm happy building headless servers using CLI over SSH, but my colleague and students aren't and need a "nice" point and click web interface which will display a usable VM desktop etc. My colleague is most familiar with VMware. But the project doesn't look ready to go and I can't find a download. Also, an implementation that isn't stable and fully functional will probably do more damage than good as far as open source's rep in our lab goes. I know this isn't a use case that oVirt or RedHat are really interested in, but I feel it is important to expose students to real world production software and systems as much as possible ... all we had to work with last year was VirtualBox running on Windows 7! Mike On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Yair Zaslavsky <yzaslav...@aconex.com> wrote: > As far as I remember, oVirt does come with an all in one configuration , > but looks like it was deprecated at 3.6, So can you try out the self hosted > engine? > > > https://www.ovirt.org/develop/release-management/features/engine/self-hosted-engine/ > > > > -- > *From: *"Michael Hall" <m...@mjhall.org> > *To: *users@ovirt.org > *Sent: *Thursday, 14 April, 2016 11:10:03 AM > *Subject: *[ovirt-users] Educational use case question > > > Hi > > I am teaching IT subjects in TAFE (a kind of post-secondary technical > college) in Australia. > > We are currently looking for a virtualisation platform that will allow > students to install and manage VMs via web interface. > > VMware is being proposed but I am trying to get KVM and the RedHat > ecosystem in the lab as much as possible. > > I have reasonable experience with running virt manager on CentOS 7, but > oVirt is new. I have it installed and running OK but am not sure how to > proceed with configuration. > > I basically want to run a single physical server which will be the KVM > host, the ISO and data store, and the home of oVirt engine ... in other > words a complete oVirt-managed KVM virtualisation platform running on one > physical machine (32GB RAM). It will only ever need to run a handful of VMs > with little or no real data or load. Is this possible/feasible? > > If possible/feasible, where should oVirt engine go ... on the host itself, > or into a VM guest? > > The web interface is what is making oVirt an attractive option at this > stage, as students will be working from Windows clients on a corporate > network. Do VM GUI display well in the browser? > > Thanks for any advice > > Mike Hall > > ___ > Users mailing list > Users@ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
[ovirt-users] Educational use case question
Hi I am teaching IT subjects in TAFE (a kind of post-secondary technical college) in Australia. We are currently looking for a virtualisation platform that will allow students to install and manage VMs via web interface. VMware is being proposed but I am trying to get KVM and the RedHat ecosystem in the lab as much as possible. I have reasonable experience with running virt manager on CentOS 7, but oVirt is new. I have it installed and running OK but am not sure how to proceed with configuration. I basically want to run a single physical server which will be the KVM host, the ISO and data store, and the home of oVirt engine ... in other words a complete oVirt-managed KVM virtualisation platform running on one physical machine (32GB RAM). It will only ever need to run a handful of VMs with little or no real data or load. Is this possible/feasible? If possible/feasible, where should oVirt engine go ... on the host itself, or into a VM guest? The web interface is what is making oVirt an attractive option at this stage, as students will be working from Windows clients on a corporate network. Do VM GUI display well in the browser? Thanks for any advice Mike Hall ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
