Re: Discourage broken content

2006-09-01 Thread jdow
From: Kris Deugau [EMAIL PROTECTED] John Andersen wrote: Mailscanner ... or any other mail-handling software... has no business changing content. ... unless you explicitly configure it to do so. (ATTN: AVG for Windows POP3/SMTP interface/hook authors, This Means You! Among others.)

Re: Discourage broken content

2006-08-31 Thread Kris Deugau
John Andersen wrote: Mailscanner ... or any other mail-handling software... has no business changing content. ... unless you explicitly configure it to do so. (ATTN: AVG for Windows POP3/SMTP interface/hook authors, This Means You! Among others.) -kgd

Re: Discourage broken content

2006-08-29 Thread Anthony Peacock
Rick Cooper wrote: -Original Message- From: decoder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 4:23 PM To: Rick Cooper Cc: users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: Re: Discourage broken content -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Rick Cooper wrote

Re: Discourage broken content

2006-08-29 Thread Justin Mason
Anthony Peacock writes: Rick Cooper wrote: From: decoder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 4:23 PM To: Rick Cooper Cc: users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: Re: Discourage broken content -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Rick Cooper wrote

Re: Discourage broken content

2006-08-29 Thread Anthony Peacock
Justin Mason wrote: Anthony Peacock writes: Rick Cooper wrote: From: decoder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 4:23 PM To: Rick Cooper Cc: users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: Re: Discourage broken content -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Rick Cooper

Re: Discourage broken content

2006-08-29 Thread Kenneth Porter
--On Tuesday, August 29, 2006 9:41 AM +0100 Anthony Peacock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This issue is currently being discussed on the MailScanner users list, under the Subject Max SpamAssassin Size problems. Which can be found here: http://lists.mailscanner.info/pipermail/mailscanner/

Re: Discourage broken content

2006-08-29 Thread Kenneth Porter
--On Tuesday, August 29, 2006 9:58 AM +0100 Justin Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sure they know this -- but there are dangers there too. It's pretty trivial in HTML to craft a MIME part that contains 100 KB of innocent-looking HTML, followed by 4 KB of spam payload, where the payload is

Re: Discourage broken content

2006-08-25 Thread decoder
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kenneth Porter wrote: --On Friday, August 25, 2006 12:05 AM -0700 Plenz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I disagree. To check out what happens I converted a JPG picture into a GIF file and sent it to myself. One time I converted it with IrfanView and

Re: Discourage broken content (was: Broken images in mails)

2006-08-25 Thread John Andersen
On Friday 25 August 2006 11:20, Kenneth Porter wrote: We need to stop giving a free pass to broken content creation software just because it's popular. When someone sends you broken content, you should react the same way you would if they sent you documents on dirt-smeared paper. Stop letting

Re: Discourage broken content

2006-08-25 Thread John Andersen
On Friday 25 August 2006 11:24, decoder wrote: I've heard that it truncates the mail at 30kb, no matter if that is within a MIME block or not... So my plugin gets a broken image.. though it was not broken originally... How better to get that fixed than to put them on notice, and start tagging

Re: Discourage broken content

2006-08-25 Thread enediel gonzalez
From: decoder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: Re: Discourage broken content Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 21:24:14 +0200 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kenneth Porter wrote: --On Friday, August 25, 2006 12:05 AM -0700 Plenz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I

RE: Discourage broken content (was: Broken images in mails)

2006-08-25 Thread Kash, Howard \(Civ, ARL/CISD\)
I think we should discourage all broken content in email and on the web. But who is to decide what is broken. Just because giftext/giffix/gocr/etc. fail to parse it, doesn't necessarily mean it's broken. The software may be buggy (note the patches on the download page needed to make these

Re: Discourage broken content (was: Broken images in mails)

2006-08-25 Thread John Andersen
On Friday 25 August 2006 11:33, Kash, Howard (Civ, ARL/CISD) wrote: I think we should discourage all broken content in email and on the web. But who is to decide what is broken. Just because giftext/giffix/gocr/etc. fail to parse it, doesn't necessarily mean it's broken. Yes, by

RE: Discourage broken content (was: Broken images in mails)

2006-08-25 Thread Kash, Howard \(Civ, ARL/CISD\)
Yes, by definition, it DOES mean its broken. So when then giftext author made an error in assuming every image would have a global colormap, he redefined the GIF specification so that any that don't are no longer valid? Howard

RE: Discourage broken content

2006-08-25 Thread Kash, Howard \(Civ, ARL/CISD\)
Could somebody explain to me the reason why MailScanner acts this way? A good question could be decide if you adapt this plugin to be compatible with MailScanner or tha last one should change this practice. As a resource/denial of service protection mechanism. If someone starts feeding you

Re: Discourage broken content

2006-08-25 Thread Logan Shaw
On Fri, 25 Aug 2006, enediel gonzalez wrote: From: decoder [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kenneth Porter wrote: I completely agree, the problem is, some implementations makes this impossible. For example MailScanner. I've heard that it truncates the mail at 30kb, no matter if that is within a MIME block

Re: Discourage broken content

2006-08-25 Thread decoder
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Logan Shaw wrote: On Fri, 25 Aug 2006, enediel gonzalez wrote: From: decoder [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kenneth Porter wrote: I completely agree, the problem is, some implementations makes this impossible. For example MailScanner. I've heard that it

Re: Discourage broken content (was: Broken images in mails)

2006-08-25 Thread John Andersen
On Friday 25 August 2006 11:40, Kash, Howard (Civ, ARL/CISD) wrote: Yes, by definition, it DOES mean its broken. So when then giftext author made an error in assuming every image would have a global colormap, he redefined the GIF specification so that any that don't are no longer valid? One

RE: Discourage broken content

2006-08-25 Thread Rick Cooper
-Original Message- From: decoder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 2:24 PM To: users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: Re: Discourage broken content -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kenneth Porter wrote: --On Friday, August 25, 2006 12:05 AM

Re: Discourage broken content

2006-08-25 Thread John Andersen
On Friday 25 August 2006 12:10, Rick Cooper wrote: That is patently false. I have a graphics design/advertising department at one of my locations and these fellas send huge graphics files back and forth when they have emergency proofs/changes and MailScanner has *never* damaged anything, ever,

Re: Discourage broken content

2006-08-25 Thread decoder
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Rick Cooper wrote: -Original Message- From: decoder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 2:24 PM To: users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: Re: Discourage broken content -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1

RE: Discourage broken content

2006-08-25 Thread Rick Cooper
-Original Message- From: John Andersen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 4:20 PM To: users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: Re: Discourage broken content On Friday 25 August 2006 12:10, Rick Cooper wrote: That is patently false. I have a graphics design