Re: [sa] Re: BOTNET timeouts?

2009-06-15 Thread mouss
Bill Landry a écrit : Res wrote: On Sat, 13 Jun 2009, Charles Gregory wrote: On Sun, 14 Jun 2009, Res wrote: Though now its Sunday, I have socialising to do, and none of that includes sitting on mailing lists listening to cry babies who expect people involved in OSSP's to drop everything

Re: [sa] Re: BOTNET timeouts?

2009-06-15 Thread Res
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009, Charles Gregory wrote: A killfile. That would be the place to put cry babies wouldn't it? Good idea. Glad you thought of it. Go do it. Add me while you're at it. Sorry dont use em, I save sooks like you for rainy weekends so i can have more fun when I'm bored. -- Res

Re: [sa] Re: BOTNET timeouts?

2009-06-15 Thread Res
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009, Bill Landry wrote: Maybe you could add your email address to your outbound mail server's killfile. I know that would deprive the world of your comic relief, but What, and not have the delight of showing you for the sook and demanding whiner that you are? not a chance :)

Re: [sa] Re: BOTNET timeouts?

2009-06-15 Thread Res
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009, John Hardin wrote: Last time I looked, Justin ran this list, not you. you, and if Justin has a problem with it _he_ can take care of it. Exactly. A word of advice, though: your rants would be a great deal more impressive Errr, I'm not here to impress anyone and

Re: [sa] Re: BOTNET timeouts?

2009-06-15 Thread Bill Landry
Bill Landry a écrit : Res wrote: On Sat, 13 Jun 2009, Charles Gregory wrote: On Sun, 14 Jun 2009, Res wrote: Though now its Sunday, I have socialising to do, and none of that includes sitting on mailing lists listening to cry babies who expect people involved in OSSP's to drop everything

Re: [sa] Re: BOTNET timeouts?

2009-06-15 Thread mouss
Bill Landry a écrit : Bill Landry a écrit : Res wrote: On Sat, 13 Jun 2009, Charles Gregory wrote: On Sun, 14 Jun 2009, Res wrote: Though now its Sunday, I have socialising to do, and none of that includes sitting on mailing lists listening to cry babies who expect people involved in

RE: [sa] Re: BOTNET timeouts?

2009-06-15 Thread RobertH
Blazing Fast Slap ya twice for ya know it JH wrote: A word of advice, though: your rants would be a great deal more impressive and might actually generate some respect for your opinions if they displayed a greater degree of sophistication than that possessed by an average

Re: [sa] Re: BOTNET timeouts?

2009-06-14 Thread Res
On Sat, 13 Jun 2009, John Hardin wrote: On Sun, 14 Jun 2009, Res wrote: It's the weekend and I was bored :) This list does not exist to provide you amusement. Last time I looked, Justin ran this list, not you. -- Res -Beware of programmers who carry screwdrivers

Re: [sa] Re: BOTNET timeouts?

2009-06-14 Thread Res
On Sat, 13 Jun 2009, Charles Gregory wrote: On Sun, 14 Jun 2009, Res wrote: Though now its Sunday, I have socialising to do, and none of that includes sitting on mailing lists listening to cry babies who expect people involved in OSSP's to drop everything and be their servants. So we'll

Re: [sa] Re: BOTNET timeouts?

2009-06-14 Thread Charles Gregory
On Mon, 15 Jun 2009, Res wrote: On Sat, 13 Jun 2009, Charles Gregory wrote: On Sun, 14 Jun 2009, Res wrote: Though now its Sunday, I have socialising to do, and none of that includes sitting on mailing lists listening to cry babies who expect people involved in OSSP's to drop

Re: [sa] Re: BOTNET timeouts?

2009-06-14 Thread Bill Landry
Res wrote: On Sat, 13 Jun 2009, Charles Gregory wrote: On Sun, 14 Jun 2009, Res wrote: Though now its Sunday, I have socialising to do, and none of that includes sitting on mailing lists listening to cry babies who expect people involved in OSSP's to drop everything and be their servants.

Re: [sa] Re: BOTNET timeouts?

2009-06-14 Thread John Hardin
On Mon, 15 Jun 2009, Res wrote: On Sat, 13 Jun 2009, John Hardin wrote: On Sun, 14 Jun 2009, Res wrote: It's the weekend and I was bored :) This list does not exist to provide you amusement. Last time I looked, Justin ran this list, not you. That's true. Fair enough, comment

Re: BOTNET timeouts?

2009-06-13 Thread Res
On Thu, 11 Jun 2009, Bill Landry wrote: I'm sure John might be happier to stay awake later and work on it for a hour or so each night as a 'priority' *IF* Bill was willing to pay John for his time, but I suspect not somehow, as it is far easier to come on a mailing list and have a temper

Re: BOTNET timeouts?

2009-06-13 Thread Bill Landry
I just love these kinds of responses (talk about 5yo tantrums), as they only server to prove my point about your credibility and the value of your opinions. Thank you! :-) Bill Res wrote: On Thu, 11 Jun 2009, Bill Landry wrote: I'm sure John might be happier to stay awake later and work on

Re: BOTNET timeouts?

2009-06-13 Thread Bill Landry
Res wrote: No because I seem to have reliable DNS and have never exhibited the issue. Oh, and if in fact you really had a clue, you would know that DNS reliability has absolutely nothing to do with this issue... ;-) Bill

Re: BOTNET timeouts?

2009-06-13 Thread Res
On Sat, 13 Jun 2009, Bill Landry wrote: Res wrote: No because I seem to have reliable DNS and have never exhibited the issue. Oh, and if in fact you really had a clue, you would know that DNS reliability has absolutely nothing to do with this issue... ;-) funny, given most people dont

Re: BOTNET timeouts?

2009-06-13 Thread Res
On Sat, 13 Jun 2009, Bill Landry wrote: I just love these kinds of responses (talk about 5yo tantrums), as they only server to prove my point about your credibility and the value of your opinions. Thank you! :-) truth hurts dont it landry, just like i tell those who demand extra capability

Re: BOTNET timeouts?

2009-06-13 Thread Bill Landry
John Rudd wrote: Further, Bill, I don't answer to you for my time constraints. Now quit your whining and put your money where your mouth is. If it's so important, then provide a fix that replaces Net::DNS with SA's internal DNS routines, and I'll use it. If it's not important enough to

Re: BOTNET timeouts?

2009-06-13 Thread Benny Pedersen
On Sat, June 13, 2009 14:31, Bill Landry wrote: However, if you are willing to release something to the open source community, you should also be willing to take on the responsibility of providing ongoing support for it. who says that ?, i have maybe missunderstod gpl licenses ?, its far

Re: BOTNET timeouts?

2009-06-13 Thread Bill Landry
Benny Pedersen wrote: On Sat, June 13, 2009 14:31, Bill Landry wrote: However, if you are willing to release something to the open source community, you should also be willing to take on the responsibility of providing ongoing support for it. who says that ?, i have maybe missunderstod gpl

Re: BOTNET timeouts?

2009-06-13 Thread Bill Landry
Res wrote: On Sat, 13 Jun 2009, Bill Landry wrote: I just love these kinds of responses (talk about 5yo tantrums), as they only server to prove my point about your credibility and the value of your opinions. Thank you! :-) truth hurts dont it landry, just like i tell those who demand

Re: [sa] Re: BOTNET timeouts?

2009-06-13 Thread Charles Gregory
On Sat, 13 Jun 2009, Res wrote: my life comes before no-life whinging fucking cry baby lamers like you. I'm always amused by the hyporcrisy of people who spend paragraphs of text explaining that the person they are addressing is 'not worth their time'. - C

Re: BOTNET timeouts?

2009-06-13 Thread John Hardin
On Sat, 13 Jun 2009, Res wrote: On Thu, 11 Jun 2009, Bill Landry wrote: How long have you been on this list? A lot longer than you might think, I don't say much here, ... we give up our lives and work JUST to satisfy something you want, it will never happen turdbreath, get used to it,

Re: [sa] Re: BOTNET timeouts?

2009-06-13 Thread Res
On Sat, 13 Jun 2009, Charles Gregory wrote: I'm always amused by the hyporcrisy of people who spend paragraphs of text explaining that the person they are addressing is 'not worth their time'. It's the weekend and I was bored :) Though now its Sunday, I have socialising to do, and none of

Re: BOTNET timeouts?

2009-06-13 Thread Res
Truth still hurts hey, one day you might smell the coffee :) On Sat, 13 Jun, Bill Landry as usual sooked nothing worth reading: -- Res -Beware of programmers who carry screwdrivers

Re: [sa] Re: BOTNET timeouts?

2009-06-13 Thread John Hardin
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009, Res wrote: It's the weekend and I was bored :) This list does not exist to provide you amusement. -- John Hardin KA7OHZhttp://www.impsec.org/~jhardin/ jhar...@impsec.orgFALaholic #11174 pgpk -a jhar...@impsec.org key: 0xB8732E79 -- 2D8C

Re: [sa] Re: BOTNET timeouts?

2009-06-13 Thread Charles Gregory
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009, Res wrote: Though now its Sunday, I have socialising to do, and none of that includes sitting on mailing lists listening to cry babies who expect people involved in OSSP's to drop everything and be their servants. So we'll just all pretend you didn't send this

Re: BOTNET timeouts?

2009-06-13 Thread LuKreme
On 13-Jun-2009, at 18:21, John Hardin wrote: On Sun, 14 Jun 2009, Res wrote: It's the weekend and I was bored :) This list does not exist to provide you amusement. Are you sure about that? -- I gotta straighten my face This mellow-thighed chick just put my spine out of place

Re: BOTNET timeouts?

2009-06-12 Thread LuKreme
On 11-Jun-2009, at 13:45, Charles Gregory wrote: 2) I disagree that another person could/should 'fork' the botnet plug-in. This would cause confusion even if care was taken to rename the plug-in or otherwise distinguish the two versions for the newbie looking to download a recommended

Re: BOTNET timeouts?

2009-06-12 Thread Henrik K
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 07:39:58PM -0600, LuKreme wrote: But I would never guess from the package that a patch was available or useful. It is useful for SOME people under SOME conditions. It is not *universally* useful. It's not universally useful to have some *basic* sanity

Re: BOTNET timeouts?

2009-06-12 Thread Charles Gregory
On Fri, 12 Jun 2009, LuKreme wrote: So if I may recommend: Why not include the patch as a separate file in your download, John explained why. This patch does not represent the direction he wants to go with Botnet. Remember that comment about design philosophy? When he GOES in that direction,

Re: BOTNET timeouts?

2009-06-11 Thread McDonald, Dan
On Wed, 2009-06-10 at 21:40 -0700, John Rudd wrote: On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 21:11, Bill Landryb...@inetmsg.com wrote: Jake Maul wrote: Interesting that I'm just now running into this... I've been using Botnet on this server for several months without issue. Thanks for the link, shorter

Re: BOTNET timeouts?

2009-06-11 Thread Bill Landry
McDonald, Dan wrote: On Wed, 2009-06-10 at 21:40 -0700, John Rudd wrote: On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 21:11, Bill Landryb...@inetmsg.com wrote: Jake Maul wrote: Interesting that I'm just now running into this... I've been using Botnet on this server for several months without issue. Thanks for

Re: BOTNET timeouts?

2009-06-11 Thread Rob McEwen
Bill Landry wrote: This issue has been unresolved for way too long. All of this, in my mind, this makes the plugin orphaned and unusable if not patched with Mark's patch. No matter how hard you try to improve botnet: (A) botnet is still dependent on third party dns servers, many of which are

Re: BOTNET timeouts?

2009-06-11 Thread Ken A
I've had no trouble with Botnet timeouts, but just now patched anyway, to avoid any potential trouble. I, and many others appreciate how responsive you've been with your sanesecurity work, but not everyone has the same resources. Whenever I install GNU free software, I have to remember this. If

Re: BOTNET timeouts?

2009-06-11 Thread Bill Landry
I've had no trouble with Botnet timeouts, but just now patched anyway, to avoid any potential trouble. I, and many others appreciate how responsive you've been with your sanesecurity work, but not everyone has the same resources. Whenever I install GNU free software, I have to remember this.

Re: BOTNET timeouts?

2009-06-11 Thread Henrik K
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 10:04:42AM -0400, Rob McEwen wrote: Bill Landry wrote: This issue has been unresolved for way too long. All of this, in my mind, this makes the plugin orphaned and unusable if not patched with Mark's patch. No matter how hard you try to improve botnet: Not sure

Re: BOTNET timeouts?

2009-06-11 Thread John Rudd
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 06:46, Bill Landryb...@inetmsg.com wrote: McDonald, Dan wrote: On Wed, 2009-06-10 at 21:40 -0700, John Rudd wrote: On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 21:11, Bill Landryb...@inetmsg.com wrote: Jake Maul wrote: Interesting that I'm just now running into this... I've been using

Re: BOTNET timeouts?

2009-06-11 Thread Henrik K
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 10:21:18AM -0700, John Rudd wrote: As said elsewhere, the primary issue is how DNS is being set up, both by the sender and the recipient. But that's outside of the scope of Botnet. Within Botnet, the actual thing to be solved is moving toward SA's internal DNS

Re: BOTNET timeouts?

2009-06-11 Thread Kevin Parris
Well I suppose you could always take the product that you dislike so badly back to the store and ask for a refund of your purchase price. Sometimes it really amazes me how much, and how severely, some people will gripe about free products that exist only because other people volunteer their

Re: BOTNET timeouts?

2009-06-11 Thread Charles Gregory
Hello all! If I may weigh in on this botnet/dns issue 1) John I completely respect (indeed advocate) the right of volunteers to do as they wish with their time. In all that I say that follows, I keep that first in mind. I speak of principles, but make NO demands on your time. 2) I

Re: BOTNET timeouts?

2009-06-11 Thread John Rudd
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 12:45, Charles Gregorycgreg...@hwcn.org wrote: With respect, your concerns about   required testing are at the least, exaggerated. The testing has been   done by everyone who uses the patch. a) thank you for your well worded thoughts b) my statement about the time it

Re: BOTNET timeouts?

2009-06-11 Thread Henrik K
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 03:17:12PM -0400, Kevin Parris wrote: Well I suppose you could always take the product that you dislike so badly back to the store and ask for a refund of your purchase price. Sometimes it really amazes me how much, and how severely, some people will gripe about free

Re: BOTNET timeouts?

2009-06-11 Thread John Hardin
On Thu, 11 Jun 2009, John Rudd wrote: As I've said, I don't really have a plan to incorporate the patch into the main dist. You probably should. It doesn't prevent you from pursuing your design changes, and it would fix the problem for those who are experiencing the problem today. Is it

Re: BOTNET timeouts?

2009-06-11 Thread Dave Koontz
John Hardin wrote ... (6/11/2009 4:21 PM): On Thu, 11 Jun 2009, John Rudd wrote: As I've said, I don't really have a plan to incorporate the patch into the main dist. You probably should. It doesn't prevent you from pursuing your design changes, and it would fix the problem for those who

Re: BOTNET timeouts?

2009-06-11 Thread Res
On Thu, 11 Jun 2009, Kevin Parris wrote: Well I suppose you could always take the product that you dislike so badly back to the store and ask for a refund of your purchase price. Sometimes it really amazes me how much, and how severely, some people will gripe about free products that exist

Re: BOTNET timeouts?

2009-06-11 Thread Bill Landry
Well I suppose you could always take the product that you dislike so badly back to the store and ask for a refund of your purchase price. Sometimes it really amazes me how much, and how severely, some people will gripe about free products that exist only because other people volunteer their

Re: BOTNET timeouts?

2009-06-11 Thread Mark Martinec
This issue has been unresolved for way too long. All of this, in my mind, this makes the plugin orphaned and unusable if not patched with Mark's patch. Actually it's a patch by Daniel J McDonald from 2007-06-15. I just refreshed it for 0.8 and reposted it two months later. Credits where

Re: BOTNET timeouts?

2009-06-11 Thread Bill Landry
This issue has been unresolved for way too long. All of this, in my mind, this makes the plugin orphaned and unusable if not patched with Mark's patch. Actually it's a patch by Daniel J McDonald from 2007-06-15. I just refreshed it for 0.8 and reposted it two months later. Credits where

Re: BOTNET timeouts?

2009-06-10 Thread Jason Haar
On 06/11/2009 07:05 AM, Jake Maul wrote: Howdy all, The last couple days I've been seeing a lot of Botnet-related timeouts. Obviously the Botnet plugin itself hasn't changed... DNS problems maybe? Anyone else seen this? It's causing my SA children to hang and for the server to hit the

Re: BOTNET timeouts?

2009-06-10 Thread Jake Maul
Interesting that I'm just now running into this... I've been using Botnet on this server for several months without issue. Thanks for the link, shorter timeouts should cure it. :) Jake On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Jason Haarjason.h...@trimble.co.nz wrote: On 06/11/2009 07:05 AM, Jake Maul

Re: BOTNET timeouts?

2009-06-10 Thread Bill Landry
Jake Maul wrote: Interesting that I'm just now running into this... I've been using Botnet on this server for several months without issue. Thanks for the link, shorter timeouts should cure it. :) Even though Mark Martinec had provided John Rudd with a nice, neat patch for botnet.pm well

Re: BOTNET timeouts?

2009-06-10 Thread John Rudd
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 21:11, Bill Landryb...@inetmsg.com wrote: Jake Maul wrote: Interesting that I'm just now running into this... I've been using Botnet on this server for several months without issue. Thanks for the link, shorter timeouts should cure it. :) Even though Mark Martinec

Re: BOTNET timeouts?

2009-06-10 Thread Bill Landry
John Rudd wrote: On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 21:11, Bill Landryb...@inetmsg.com wrote: Jake Maul wrote: Interesting that I'm just now running into this... I've been using Botnet on this server for several months without issue. Thanks for the link, shorter timeouts should cure it. :) Even though

Re: BOTNET timeouts?

2009-06-10 Thread Benny Pedersen
On Wed, June 10, 2009 21:05, Jake Maul wrote: The last couple days I've been seeing a lot of Botnet-related timeouts. Obviously the Botnet plugin itself hasn't changed... http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=217261 DNS problems maybe? Anyone else seen this? It's causing my SA children to