Re: Request to change rule RCVD_IN_RP_CERTIFIED

2012-04-02 Thread Bowie Bailey
On 4/1/2012 2:25 AM, Fortney, James T - CSCCS wrote: Michael (et all) - Please excuse if this perpetuates an OT discussion, but I do not believe Linked-In has changed anything other than their presentation of how to submit an op-out request. Their procedures still require you to give

Re: Request to change rule RCVD_IN_RP_CERTIFIED

2012-04-02 Thread Michael Scheidell
On 4/2/12 9:44 AM, Bowie Bailey wrote: Actually, my experience has been the opposite. I used to receive lots of Linked-In emails and complained to them a few times regarding the lack of an opt-out. Now that they have added one, it seems to work normally for me. I do not, and have never had, a

Re: Request to change rule RCVD_IN_RP_CERTIFIED

2012-04-01 Thread Fortney, James T - CSCCS
At 3/30/2012 03:32 AM, Michael Scheidell wrote: On 3/30/12 2:26 AM, Dave Warren wrote: I'd argue that their inability to offer a functional opt-out is bordering on spam-support. months ago, it was non functional (you needed to join, which gave them permission to spam you in order to opt-out)

Re: Request to change rule RCVD_IN_RP_CERTIFIED

2012-03-30 Thread Dave Warren
On 3/29/2012 3:06 PM, Kevin A. McGrail wrote: As a side note, linkedin likely had someone from FreeBSD list use the email address to invite people. I doubt linkedin actually did it. They are an easily abused system but I've never seen them actually support spam. I'd argue that their

Re: Request to change rule RCVD_IN_RP_CERTIFIED

2012-03-30 Thread Michael Scheidell
On 3/29/12 6:06 PM, Kevin A. McGrail wrote: As a side note, linkedin likely had someone from FreeBSD list use the email address to invite people. I doubt linkedin actually did it. They are an easily abused system but I've never seen them actually support spam. as in 'technically', yes

Re: Request to change rule RCVD_IN_RP_CERTIFIED

2012-03-30 Thread Michael Scheidell
On 3/30/12 2:26 AM, Dave Warren wrote: I'd argue that their inability to offer a functional opt-out is bordering on spam-support. months ago, it was non functional (you needed to join, which gave them permission to spam you in order to opt-out) they finally (and I hope it was my constant

Re: Request to change rule RCVD_IN_RP_CERTIFIED

2012-03-30 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
Some human being decided on the -3.0 score. Yes, and I could argue based on my corpus that -3.0 is not harsh enough is my basic point. I agree I'm not looking below the surface of the rules very much, though. I am simply saying that XYZ rule on my corpus has an extremely good S/O. Can

Re: Request to change rule RCVD_IN_RP_CERTIFIED

2012-03-30 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
I would like to consider tflags for all 'spam for hire' scores be changed to net nice noautolearn this way, at least you aren't adding insult to injury. Please open a bug but what benefit do you see this having in particular for the RCVD_IN_RP_CERTIFIED? regards, KAM

Re: Request to change rule RCVD_IN_RP_CERTIFIED

2012-03-30 Thread Axb
On 03/30/2012 05:52 PM, Kevin A. McGrail wrote: I would like to consider tflags for all 'spam for hire' scores be changed to net nice noautolearn this way, at least you aren't adding insult to injury. Please open a bug but what benefit do you see this having in particular for the

Re: Request to change rule RCVD_IN_RP_CERTIFIED

2012-03-30 Thread Bowie Bailey
On 3/30/2012 11:51 AM, Kevin A. McGrail wrote: Some human being decided on the -3.0 score. Yes, and I could argue based on my corpus that -3.0 is not harsh enough is my basic point. I agree I'm not looking below the surface of the rules very much, though. I am simply saying that XYZ rule

Re: Request to change rule RCVD_IN_RP_CERTIFIED

2012-03-30 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
On 3/30/2012 12:08 PM, Bowie Bailey wrote: I checked my logs for the last 30 days. RCVD_IN_RP_CERTIFIED hit 505 times, but did not hit a single spam message. There is also not a single case where it would have changed the ham/spam designation of the message if it had not hit. In other words,

Request to change rule RCVD_IN_RP_CERTIFIED

2012-03-29 Thread Michael Scheidell
If you go back, I and many others have complained about the 'pay to spam' rules currently in SpamAssassin. Some of these, like linked in, are blatant violations of US federal CAN Spam laws. Last time I got a spam from linked in, they insisted: (the company that certified them, and took money

Re: Request to change rule RCVD_IN_RP_CERTIFIED

2012-03-29 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
On 3/29/2012 3:47 PM, Michael Scheidell wrote: If you go back, I and many others have complained about the 'pay to spam' rules currently in SpamAssassin. Some of these, like linked in, are blatant violations of US federal CAN Spam laws. Last time I got a spam from linked in, they insisted: