Re: Whitelist rules should never pass on SPF fail

2024-05-11 Thread Noel Butler
On 11/05/2024 03:40, Bill Cole wrote: So what? domain owners state hard fail it SHOULD be hard failed, irrespective of if YOU think you know better than THEM or not, if we hardfail we accept the risks that come with it. In practice, there is a prioritizing of whose wishes I prioritize on

Re: Whitelist rules should never pass on SPF fail

2024-05-10 Thread Bill Cole
On 2024-05-09 at 17:21:07 UTC-0400 (Fri, 10 May 2024 07:21:07 +1000) Noel Butler is rumored to have said: > So what? domain owners state hard fail it SHOULD be hard failed, irrespective > of if YOU think you know better than THEM or not, if we hardfail we accept > the risks that come with it.

Re: Whitelist rules should never pass on SPF fail

2024-05-09 Thread Noel Butler
On 09/05/2024 22:47, Bill Cole wrote: On 2024-05-09 at 08:37:06 UTC-0400 (Thu, 09 May 2024 14:37:06 +0200) Benny Pedersen is rumored to have said: Bill Cole skrev den 2024-05-09 14:22: In fact, I can't think of any whitelist test that should pass if SPF fails. If you operate on the theory

Re: Whitelist rules should never pass on SPF fail

2024-05-09 Thread Bill Cole
On 2024-05-09 at 08:37:06 UTC-0400 (Thu, 09 May 2024 14:37:06 +0200) Benny Pedersen is rumored to have said: Bill Cole skrev den 2024-05-09 14:22: In fact, I can't think of any whitelist test that should pass if SPF fails. If you operate on the theory that a SPF failure is always a sign

Re: Whitelist rules should never pass on SPF fail

2024-05-09 Thread Benny Pedersen
Bill Cole skrev den 2024-05-09 14:22: In fact, I can't think of any whitelist test that should pass if SPF fails. If you operate on the theory that a SPF failure is always a sign of spam, you can make your SpamAssassin always trust SPF failures absolutely. I would not recommend that. Some

Re: Whitelist rules should never pass on SPF fail

2024-05-09 Thread Bill Cole
You are free to use the priority and shortcircuiting features to assure that SPF_FAIL causes DNSWL checks to not be run. I would not expect any of these to have an overall positive effect on your email. In fact, I can't think of any whitelist test that should pass if SPF fails. If you o

Re: Whitelist rules should never pass on SPF fail

2024-05-09 Thread Benny Pedersen
of any whitelist test that should pass if SPF fails. I could attach a higher score to SPF_FAIL, but that would unduly affect cases where the sender wasn't white listed. I need a way to force Spammassassin to negate the effect of one test on the passing of another. https://www.dnswl.org/?page_id

Re: Whitelist rules should never pass on SPF fail

2024-05-08 Thread Noel Butler
On 09/05/2024 05:57, Jarland Donnell wrote: That's easy though at least. Set the DNSWL rule to 0. I appreciate their effort but it's simply not an accurate way to determine the value of an email in 2024. It's never been the deciding factor between whether or not an email was spam, in any

Re: Whitelist rules should never pass on SPF fail

2024-05-08 Thread Loren Wilton
DNSWL_HI In DNS whitelist, good SPF - Original Message - I received a (relatively) well crafted Phishing email today. It was clearly a well planned campaign. The Spamassassin score was as follows: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=GOOG_REDIR_NORD

Re: Whitelist rules should never pass on SPF fail

2024-05-08 Thread Jarland Donnell
gt; > DNS white-hole list checks should never ever pass if the SPF checks fail. In > fact, I can't think of any whitelist test that should pass if SPF fails. I > could attach a higher score to SPF_FAIL, but that would unduly affect cases > where the sender wasn't white listed. >

Whitelist rules should never pass on SPF fail

2024-05-08 Thread kurt.va1der.ca via users
=0.001,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5,RDNS_NONE=1.274, SPF_FAIL=0.919,SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001,URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001,WIKI_IMG=2.397 autolearn=disabled version=3.4.6 DNS white-hole list checks should never ever pass if the SPF checks fail. In fact, I can't think of any whitelist test that should pass

Re: Weird whitelist

2024-04-08 Thread natan
gt;> -> , Queue-ID: 4VBDq04Bn7z1Q9qQ, mail_id: >>> 6LRhEwtUmP7u, Hits: -, size: 10888, queued_as: 4VBDq06n69z1Q9q1, >>> 358 ms >>> >>> I check and I not found any <> in whitelist >  I check and nothging check whitelist in sq

Re: Weird whitelist

2024-04-08 Thread natan
82 [34.23.17.0] <> >>> -> , Queue-ID: 4VBDq04Bn7z1Q9qQ, mail_id: >>> 6LRhEwtUmP7u, Hits: -, size: 10888, queued_as: 4VBDq06n69z1Q9q1, >>> 358 ms >>> >>> I check and I not found any <> in whitelist >  I check and nothging

Re: Weird whitelist

2024-04-08 Thread Jimmy
; > >>> > >>> Apr 6 01:15:09 amavis3 amavis[3887068]: (3887068-17) Passed > >>> BAD-HEADER-7 {RelayedInbound}, [34.23.17.0]:38582 [34.23.17.0] <> > >>> -> , Queue-ID: 4VBDq04Bn7z1Q9qQ, mail_id: > >>> 6LRhEwtUmP7u, Hits: -,

Re: Weird whitelist

2024-04-08 Thread natan
ze: 10888, queued_as: 4VBDq06n69z1Q9q1, 358 ms I check and I not found any <> in whitelist  I check and nothging check whitelist in sql and nothing abou whitelisted sender <> check amavis config. read books :) yes read read byt this is not from bounce. Normal bounce not have info in log l

Re: Weird whitelist

2024-04-08 Thread Benny Pedersen
eck and I not found any <> in whitelist I check and nothging check whitelist in sql and nothing abou whitelisted sender <> check amavis config. read books :) <> is bounce addresse with must not be rejected hence its whitelisted

Re: Weird whitelist

2024-04-08 Thread natan
0fcd95c5445df29e8a5cc Apr  6 01:15:08 amavis3 amavis[3887068]: (3887068-17) check_header: 7, Missing required header field: "Date" Apr  6 01:15:08 amavis3 amavis[3887068]: (3887068-17) wbl: whitelisted sender <>, this looks like whitelist at amavis level, not at spamassassin level

Re: Weird whitelist

2024-04-08 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
vis[3887068]: (3887068-17) check_header: 7, Missing required header field: "Date" Apr  6 01:15:08 amavis3 amavis[3887068]: (3887068-17) wbl: whitelisted sender <>, this looks like whitelist at amavis level, not at spamassassin level. Apr  6 01:15:08 amavis3 amavis[3887068]: (3887068-17)

Weird whitelist

2024-04-08 Thread natan
04Bn7z1Q9qQ, mail_id: 6LRhEwtUmP7u, Hits: -, size: 10888, queued_as: 4VBDq06n69z1Q9q1, 358 ms I check and I not found any <> in whitelist --

Re: Order of handling whitelist/blacklist

2024-03-28 Thread Benny Pedersen
Philip Prindeville via users skrev den 2024-03-28 18:55: My config also has: trusted_networks 192.168.6.0/24 trusted_networks 192.168.8.0/24 trusted_networks 127.0.0.1/32 So I don't think that's the problem. rfc 1918 is imho hardcoded into spamassassin if its this, make a bugzilla about

Re: Order of handling whitelist/blacklist

2024-03-28 Thread Philip Prindeville via users
> On Mar 28, 2024, at 12:18 PM, Matus UHLAR - fantomas > wrote: > >>> On 27.03.24 20:56, Philip Prindeville via users wrote: I have something that looks like: whitelist_from_rcvd v...@yandex.ru vger.kernel.org blacklist_from *@yandex.ru And I only ever

Re: Order of handling whitelist/blacklist

2024-03-28 Thread Philip Prindeville via users
> On Mar 28, 2024, at 12:18 PM, Matus UHLAR - fantomas > wrote: > >>> On 27.03.24 20:56, Philip Prindeville via users wrote: I have something that looks like: whitelist_from_rcvd v...@yandex.ru vger.kernel.org blacklist_from *@yandex.ru And I only ever

Re: Order of handling whitelist/blacklist

2024-03-28 Thread David B Funk
On Thu, 28 Mar 2024, Philip Prindeville via users wrote: On Mar 28, 2024, at 2:39 AM, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: On 27.03.24 20:56, Philip Prindeville via users wrote: I have something that looks like: whitelist_from_rcvd v...@yandex.ru vger.kernel.org blacklist_from *@yandex.ru And

Re: Order of handling whitelist/blacklist

2024-03-28 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 27.03.24 20:56, Philip Prindeville via users wrote: I have something that looks like: whitelist_from_rcvd v...@yandex.ru vger.kernel.org blacklist_from *@yandex.ru And I only ever seem to see the 2nd rule being hit, but not the first. What is the order of evaluation?

Re: Order of handling whitelist/blacklist

2024-03-28 Thread Philip Prindeville via users
> On Mar 28, 2024, at 2:39 AM, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: > > On 27.03.24 20:56, Philip Prindeville via users wrote: >> I have something that looks like: >> >> whitelist_from_rcvd v...@yandex.ru vger.kernel.org >> >> blacklist_from *@yandex.ru >> >> And I only ever seem to see the 2nd

Re: Order of handling whitelist/blacklist

2024-03-28 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 27.03.24 20:56, Philip Prindeville via users wrote: I have something that looks like: whitelist_from_rcvd v...@yandex.ru vger.kernel.org blacklist_from *@yandex.ru And I only ever seem to see the 2nd rule being hit, but not the first. What is the order of

Order of handling whitelist/blacklist

2024-03-27 Thread Philip Prindeville via users
Hi. I have something that looks like: whitelist_from_rcvd v...@yandex.ru vger.kernel.org blacklist_from *@yandex.ru And I only ever seem to see the 2nd rule being hit, but not the first. What is the order of evaluation? Mail::SpamAssassin::Conf doesn't say that I

Re: Whitelist or add negative values for score

2022-12-24 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 23.12.22 21:24, Joey J wrote: This is the best I can grab header wise, Names/IP's have changed here to protect privacy. Know the following: The senders real server (1.2.3.4), (1.2.3.4 is the SPF match) sends the mail to the gateway, and the gateway blocked it as shown. Yes, legit going to

Re: Whitelist or add negative values for score

2022-12-23 Thread Joey J
Hello All, This is the best I can grab header wise, Names/IP's have changed here to protect privacy. Know the following: The senders real server (1.2.3.4), (1.2.3.4 is the SPF match) sends the mail to the gateway, and the gateway blocked it as shown. Yes, legit going to paypal. Based on your

Re: Whitelist or add negative values for score

2022-12-22 Thread John Hardin
*@netflix.com blacklist_from *@netflix.com whitelist_auth *@*.netflix.com blacklist_from *@*.netflix.com You may need to dial back the blacklist score a bit for it to work reliably: score USER_IN_BLACKLIST 85.000 # let whitelist override

Re: Whitelist or add negative values for score

2022-12-21 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 21.12.22 15:48, Joey J wrote: Thank you for pointing me in the better direction. Since not many people are typing these types of email , I could do the one off rule and it would be manageable. But in better seeing the welcomelist_from_spf option, I think this will be my first try.

Re: Whitelist or add negative values for score

2022-12-21 Thread Joey J
Kris & Greg, Thank you for pointing me in the better direction. Since not many people are typing these types of email , I could do the one off rule and it would be manageable. But in better seeing the welcomelist_from_spf option, I think this will be my first try. I appreciate all of your points

Re: Whitelist or add negative values for score

2022-12-21 Thread Kris Deugau
Joey J wrote: Thanks Everyone. Within all of the responses, I will try to reply here. 1. The legit sender will talk about big numbers because of the real things he is involved with so big numbers is still a valid method to score, just not in this case. 2. The SPF record is set to fail on no

Re: Whitelist or add negative values for score

2022-12-21 Thread Greg Troxel
The other thing that should be done for j...@company.com is that company.com should sign their mail with DKIM, and then you can welcomelist_from_dkim *@company.com I find that many companies I deal with that produce semi-spammy mail (most big companies :-) have DKIM signatures and I can

Re: Whitelist or add negative values for score

2022-12-21 Thread Joey J
Thanks Everyone. Within all of the responses, I will try to reply here. 1. The legit sender will talk about big numbers because of the real things he is involved with so big numbers is still a valid method to score, just not in this case. 2. The SPF record is set to fail on no match, however this

Re: Whitelist or add negative values for score

2022-12-21 Thread Bill Cole
On 2022-12-21 at 12:02:27 UTC-0500 (Wed, 21 Dec 2022 18:02:27 +0100) Matus UHLAR - fantomas is rumored to have said: [...]> > On 21.12.22 11:19, Henrik K wrote: >> It will pass welcomelist_auth, since there is SPF_PASS, which you missed: >> >> SPF_PASS   -0.001 SPF: sender matches SPF

Re: Whitelist or add negative values for score

2022-12-21 Thread Dominic Raferd
or 3 times, there are more of the buzz words that SA looks at based on rules. We can't whitelist j...@company.com because of course everyone pretending to be him will more than likely get whitelisted and you know the rest. This is why I thought if user j...@company.com from ip 1.2.3.4 condition

Re: Whitelist or add negative values for score

2022-12-21 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
> DKIM_INVALID 0.1 DKIM or DK signature exists, but is not valid > > DKIM_SIGNED 0.1 Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not > necessarily valid > > HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST 0.001 HTML font color similar or identical to > background > > HTML_MESSAGE0.001 HTML

Re: Whitelist or add negative values for score

2022-12-21 Thread Henrik K
On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 08:43:18AM +0100, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: > > DKIM_INVALID 0.1 DKIM or DK signature exists, but is not valid > > > > DKIM_SIGNED 0.1 Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not > > necessarily valid > > > > HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST 0.001 HTML

Re: Whitelist or add negative values for score

2022-12-20 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
looks at based on rules. We can't whitelist j...@company.com because of course everyone pretending to be him will more than likely get whitelisted and you know the rest. You have misunderstood that welcomelist_auth means. It means that the sender has to pass SPF or DKIM, which means that random

Re: Whitelist or add negative values for score

2022-12-20 Thread Loren Wilton
Personally I'd look at why BIGNUM_EMAILS_MANY is hitting and see if there is something the sender could do to avoid it. I'm pretty sure I've never seen that rule hit in any of my spam, so it must be something a bit unique. Loren

Re: Whitelist or add negative values for score

2022-12-20 Thread Joey J
words that SA looks at based on rules. We can't whitelist j...@company.com because of course everyone pretending to be him will more than likely get whitelisted and you know the rest. This is why I thought if user j...@company.com from ip 1.2.3.4 condition would allow me to add some negative score

Re: Whitelist or add negative values for score

2022-12-20 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 19.12.22 20:05, Joey J wrote: I'm trying to see if there is a "best way" to provide negative scoring for a certain persons email. As an example if j...@company.com is communicating with paypal or other real banking institutions, then at times within the email chain, SA will tag it as spam.

Re: Whitelist or add negative values for score

2022-12-19 Thread Bill Cole
all used 'whitelist' and 'blacklist' so if you are not running 3.4.6 or 4.0.0 those names will be in the docs. The scores for the various wl/bl settings are controlled by a set of rules distributed and described in rules/60_welcomelist.cf. As Greg indicated, welcomelist_from_rcvd causes a hit

Re: Whitelist or add negative values for score

2022-12-19 Thread Joey J
Actually, what would be the format, in respect to header for that rule? so header welcomelist_from_rcvd j...@company.com [1.2.3.4] On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 8:39 PM Greg Troxel wrote: > > Joey J writes: > > > I'm trying to see if there is a "best way" to provide negative scoring > for

Re: Whitelist or add negative values for score

2022-12-19 Thread Joey J
Thanks, So welcomelist_from_rcvd j...@company.com [1.2.3.4] Is saying if it's received from j...@company.com and the IP combination? And then simply score it welcomelist_from_rcvd score -2 I will try that thank you! On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 8:39 PM Greg Troxel wrote: > > Joey J writes: > > >

Re: Whitelist or add negative values for score

2022-12-19 Thread Greg Troxel
Joey J writes: > I'm trying to see if there is a "best way" to provide negative scoring for > a certain persons email. That's easy. There are many ways, but not best way. > As an example if j...@company.com is communicating with paypal or other real > banking institutions, then at times

Whitelist or add negative values for score

2022-12-19 Thread Joey J
Hello All, I'm trying to see if there is a "best way" to provide negative scoring for a certain persons email. As an example if j...@company.com is communicating with paypal or other real banking institutions, then at times within the email chain, SA will tag it as spam. I want to see if there

Re: Txrep, add-addr-to-whitelist

2021-12-28 Thread Matija Nalis
ving to add addresses to my whitelist file even for addresses that > might not ever send another email in future. > > Relief... Probably a good choice, as TxRep is currently quite broken in several regards, see for example: https://bz.apache.org/SpamAssassin/show_bug.cgi?id=7943 a

Re: Txrep, add-addr-to-whitelist

2021-12-18 Thread Peter
Today I got my life back. Decided to ditch TXrep and go back to AWL. It might not be as clever, but at least it works! The inability to do working manual changes to scores meant wasting a lot of time having to add addresses to my whitelist file even for addresses that might not ever send

Re: Txrep, add-addr-to-whitelist

2021-12-17 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On Thursday 16 December 2021 at 21:43:04, Peter wrote: Thanks, I hadn't thought about that. I am curious though, I normall hit Reply rather than Reply to All, and with your email Reply just uses your own address, that's because Anthony doesn't set Reply-To: and neither does this mailing list

Re: Txrep, add-addr-to-whitelist

2021-12-16 Thread Antony Stone
On Thursday 16 December 2021 at 21:43:04, Peter wrote: > Thanks, I hadn't thought about that. > > I am curious though, I normall hit Reply rather than Reply to All, and with > your email Reply just uses your own address, That, I find strange. For me, selecting my own reply on the list, and

Re: Txrep, add-addr-to-whitelist

2021-12-16 Thread Peter
Thanks, I hadn't thought about that. I am curious though, I normall hit Reply rather than Reply to All, and with your email Reply just uses your own address, I need to hit Reply to All to get it on the list. Is that what has been happening with mine, and why does it happen with replies to

Re: Txrep, add-addr-to-whitelist

2021-12-16 Thread Antony Stone
On Thursday 16 December 2021 at 21:21:28, Peter wrote: > I was thinking that replies would show up here. > Perhaps I should create an account on a mail server without RBL blocking? Either that, or (preferably) stop your email client from enforcing a Reply-To address which is different from the

Re: Txrep, add-addr-to-whitelist

2021-12-16 Thread Peter
Hi Greg, Yeah, my blocklists are pretty extreme, normally serves me well, but I apologize to those trying to help. I was thinking that replies would show up here. I have just cleared 71.19.144.0/20 just in case so hopefully those replies can come in. Perhaps I should create an account on a

Re: Txrep, add-addr-to-whitelist

2021-12-16 Thread Greg Troxel
Hey Peter: Your mailserver appears to be a bit aggressive and is blocking mail from people on the list who are replying to you: : host acemail1.ace.net.au[150.101.236.36] said: 553 5.3.0 Rejected 71.19.148.97 by clients-b.blocked.rbl (in reply to MAIL FROM command)

Re: Txrep, add-addr-to-whitelist

2021-12-16 Thread Peter
I just want the command to work as advertised. It worked for AWL on my older system, made life a lot easier. *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 16/12/2021 at 9:36 AM Greg Troxel wrote: >"Peter" writes: > >> New to TXrep, the manual says the add-addr-to-whiteli

Re: Txrep, add-addr-to-whitelist

2021-12-16 Thread Greg Troxel
"Peter" writes: > New to TXrep, the manual says the add-addr-to-whitelist command should add > -100, but for me it doesn't do anything - nor does add-addr-to-blacklist. > > It comes back with SpamAssassin TxRep: 1 with either the white or > blacklist. > >

Txrep, add-addr-to-whitelist

2021-12-16 Thread Peter
Hi, New to TXrep, the manual says the add-addr-to-whitelist command should add -100, but for me it doesn't do anything - nor does add-addr-to-blacklist. It comes back with SpamAssassin TxRep: 1 with either the white or blacklist. While the server is new, I want to be able to adjust a senders

Re: the pending whitelist* -> welcomelist* change

2020-10-17 Thread jdow
On 20201017 10:58:13, RW wrote: On Fri, 16 Oct 2020 23:18:16 -0400 Bill Cole wrote: On 16 Oct 2020, at 21:06, Noel Butler wrote: perhaps, the rules above should be defined only for version >=4 and versions <4 should have the original rules. The rule name change is an artifact of how the

Re: the pending whitelist* -> welcomelist* change

2020-10-17 Thread RW
On Fri, 16 Oct 2020 23:18:16 -0400 Bill Cole wrote: > On 16 Oct 2020, at 21:06, Noel Butler wrote: > > > perhaps, the rules above should be defined only for version >=4 > > and versions <4 should have the original rules. > > The rule name change is an artifact of how the rules are >

Re: the pending whitelist* -> welcomelist* change

2020-10-17 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
That sums it up well for now, yes.  4.0 will even let you still use the same config options so there is a timeline for planning for the removal of the options with 4.1 whenever that is. On 10/17/2020 11:10 AM, Victor Sudakov wrote: > Thanks a lot to all who replied. So, for the uninitiated like

Re: the pending whitelist* -> welcomelist* change

2020-10-17 Thread Victor Sudakov
Bill Cole wrote: > > > perhaps, the rules above should be defined only for version >=4 > > and versions <4 should have the original rules. > > The rule name change is an artifact of how the rules are version-controlled. > We have exactly one version of the rules and it resides in the trunk of

Re: the pending whitelist* -> welcomelist* change

2020-10-16 Thread Bill Cole
On 16 Oct 2020, at 21:06, Noel Butler wrote: perhaps, the rules above should be defined only for version >=4 and versions <4 should have the original rules. The rule name change is an artifact of how the rules are version-controlled. We have exactly one version of the rules and it resides

Re: the pending whitelist* -> welcomelist* change

2020-10-16 Thread Noel Butler
6 02:46:12.979 [11288] warn: lint: 1 issues detected, please rerun with > debug enabled for more information > > Am I not supposed to replace whitelist with welcomelist in my configs? On 16.10.20 09:20, Kevin A. McGrail wrote: > No, not until 4.0 is released. Good question! perhaps, the

Re: the pending whitelist* -> welcomelist* change

2020-10-16 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
On 10/16/2020 10:22 AM, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: > On 16.10.20 09:20, Kevin A. McGrail wrote: >> No, not until 4.0 is released.  Good question! > > perhaps, the rules above should be defined only for version >=4 > and versions <4 should have the original rules. The rule just happens to have

Re: the pending whitelist* -> welcomelist* change

2020-10-16 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
mAssassin complains: $ spamassassin --lint Oct 16 02:46:11.739 [11288] warn: config: failed to parse line, skipping, in "/etc/spamassassin/local.cf": welcomelist_from *@ Oct 16 02:46:12.979 [11288] warn: lint: 1 issues detected, please rerun with debug enabled for more information Am I not

Re: the pending whitelist* -> welcomelist* change

2020-10-16 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
ssassin/local.cf": welcomelist_from *@ > Oct 16 02:46:12.979 [11288] warn: lint: 1 issues detected, please rerun with > debug enabled for more information > > Am I not supposed to replace whitelist with welcomelist in my configs? No, not until 4.0 is released.  Good question!

Re: the pending whitelist* -> welcomelist* change

2020-10-16 Thread RW
On Fri, 16 Oct 2020 16:48:20 +0700 Victor Sudakov wrote: > Dear Colleagues, > > My SpamAssassin reports that > > -0.0 USER_IN_WELCOMELISTuser is listed in 'welcomelist_from' > -100 USER_IN_WHITELIST DEPRECATED: See USER_IN_WELCOMELIST > > > However when I change "whitelist_from"

the pending whitelist* -> welcomelist* change

2020-10-16 Thread Victor Sudakov
ease rerun with debug enabled for more information Am I not supposed to replace whitelist with welcomelist in my configs? -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN 2:5005/49@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/

Re: [Bug 7826] Improve language around whitelist/blacklist and master/slave

2020-08-03 Thread John Hardin
I stand by the name. People should stop using the language. As you cannot fail to be aware if you read even a fraction of the list messages on this topic, there is absolutely no consensus that blacklist/whitelist etc. are racially charged terms. Some perceive them as such, sure, but others

Re: [Bug 7826] Improve language around whitelist/blacklist and master/slave

2020-08-03 Thread John Wilcock
plugin does and I stand by the name. People should stop using the language. As you cannot fail to be aware if you read even a fraction of the list messages on this topic, there is absolutely no consensus that blacklist/whitelist etc. are racially charged terms. Some perceive them as such, su

RE: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Rules referencing WHITELIST or BLACKLIST in process of being Renamed

2020-07-20 Thread Marc Roos
>> You go shut your piehole Ehhh, who exactly? Having a nice evening with a vodka bottle? ;)

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Rules referencing WHITELIST or BLACKLIST in process of being Renamed

2020-07-20 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
You go shut your piehole Woke white guys who know best about racism against blacks and who use a domain name that insults native Americans have spoken!!! Black people and people of color need to go sit down and shut up while woke white guys who know best for them do what is best for

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Rules referencing WHITELIST or BLACKLIST in process of being Renamed

2020-07-20 Thread Riccardo Alfieri
On 20/07/20 19:31, John Hardin wrote: Apologies for not clarifying that detail; I was aware of it. I did hedge by saying "(potentially) subject to renaming". No apologies necessary, it wasn't directed to you :) I'm just trying to raise awareness that, while changing things is possible,

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Rules referencing WHITELIST or BLACKLIST in process of being Renamed

2020-07-20 Thread John Hardin
On Mon, 20 Jul 2020, Riccardo Alfieri wrote: On 20/07/20 19:01, Martin Gregorie wrote: Repeating previously posted info for completeness: one of my private rules uses URIBL_BLACK as a subrule. I have no other potential conflicts with SA rule name changes and no postprocessing that's dependent

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Rules referencing WHITELIST or BLACKLIST in process of being Renamed

2020-07-20 Thread Riccardo Alfieri
On 20/07/20 19:01, Martin Gregorie wrote: Repeating previously posted info for completeness: one of my private rules uses URIBL_BLACK as a subrule. I have no other potential conflicts with SA rule name changes and no postprocessing that's dependent on SA rule names. Here just to say that

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Rules referencing WHITELIST or BLACKLIST in process of being Renamed

2020-07-20 Thread Martin Gregorie
On Mon, 2020-07-20 at 09:30 -0700, John Hardin wrote: > It would be helpful if we could be informed whether anyone has post- > SA processing that looks for these rulenames in the SA hit results, > e.g. for making message delivery decisions. > Repeating previously posted info for completeness: one

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Rules referencing WHITELIST or BLACKLIST in process of being Renamed

2020-07-20 Thread John Hardin
On Mon, 20 Jul 2020, Thom van der Boon wrote: One example is that our IRS ("Belastingdienst") is whitelisted by the following rule: whitelist_from_spf *@belastingdienst.nl That configuration syntax will continue to be supported for at least one year after the release of SA 4.0 (i.e. it

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Rules referencing WHITELIST or BLACKLIST in process of being Renamed

2020-07-20 Thread John Hardin
On Sun, 19 Jul 2020, Kevin A. McGrail wrote: Additionally, the rule USER_IN_WHITELIST_TO has been renamed to USER_IN_WELCOMELIST_TO to assist those running older versions of SpamAssassin get stock rulesets. If you have custom scoring or any custom rules building on USER_IN_WHITELIST_TO, please

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Rules referencing WHITELIST or BLACKLIST in process of being Renamed

2020-07-20 Thread Philipp Ewald
ah sorry i wrote that totally wrong... i mean we have "whitelist_from" setting. should i change that to "welcomelist_from" or to "welcome_from", because when changing from "whitelist" to "welcomelist" should "welcomelist_from"

RE: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Rules referencing WHITELIST or BLACKLIST in process of being Renamed

2020-07-20 Thread Marc Roos
What is being used for mail that is not welcome, but still needs to be allowed thru? -Original Message- To: users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Rules referencing WHITELIST or BLACKLIST in process of being Renamed can we use something like

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Rules referencing WHITELIST or BLACKLIST in process of being Renamed

2020-07-20 Thread Philipp Ewald
can we use something like that or is there any special edit necessary? sed -i 's/whitelist/welcomelist/g' $CONFIG my setting "whitelist_from" to "welcomelist_from" || "welcome_from"? Thanks Am 19.07.20 um 18:09 schrieb Kevin A. McGrail: All: As of t

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Rules referencing WHITELIST or BLACKLIST in process of being Renamed

2020-07-20 Thread Thom van der Boon
groet, Best regards, Thom van der Boon E-Mail: t...@vdb.nl Van: "Kevin A. McGrail" Aan: "Thom van der Boon" Cc: "SA Mailing list" , "SpamAssassin Devel List" Verzonden: Zondag 19 juli 2020 19:56:34 Onderwerp: Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Rules referenc

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Rules referencing WHITELIST or BLACKLIST in process of being Renamed

2020-07-20 Thread @lbutlr
On 19 Jul 2020, at 21:23, Olivier wrote: > Please consider adding an easy way to turn the backward compatibility on > and off. I would suggest to settings, one that warns the definition has changed and one that errors on the old term rather than just a "turn on compatibility" which will mean

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Rules referencing WHITELIST or BLACKLIST in process of being Renamed

2020-07-19 Thread jdow
On 20200719 18:02:18, John Hardin wrote: On Sun, 19 Jul 2020, Loren Wilton wrote: In other words, support both "black" and "block", and "white" and "welcome", for at least 3 months, I suggest. The bug report that introduced this change claimed 100% backward compatability for at least one

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Rules referencing WHITELIST or BLACKLIST in process of being Renamed

2020-07-19 Thread Benny Pedersen
Noel Butler skrev den 2020-07-20 05:35: Just think of those 10's thousands of running spamassassin who are not on these lists, all in for a shock when custom scripts start breaking. lets hope rspamd being marked stable on gentoo before this shock happend :=)

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Rules referencing WHITELIST or BLACKLIST in process of being Renamed

2020-07-19 Thread Loren Wilton
The bug report that introduced this change claimed 100% backward compatability for at least one year, later changed to until 4.0 came out, whenever that will be. You're misreading that. Backwards compatibility in the code will be maintained for at least one year after the 4.0 release, Sorry

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Rules referencing WHITELIST or BLACKLIST in process of being Renamed

2020-07-19 Thread Noel Butler
On 20/07/2020 13:23, Olivier wrote: > "Kevin A. McGrail" writes: > >> All: >> >> As of today, the configuration option WHITELIST_TO has been renamed >> WELCOMELIST_TO with an alias for backwards compatibility. > > Kevin, > > Please consider adding an easy way to turn the backward

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Rules referencing WHITELIST or BLACKLIST in process of being Renamed

2020-07-19 Thread Olivier
ulesets. > > If you have custom scoring or any custom rules building on > USER_IN_WHITELIST_TO, please accept our apologies and change the > references to USER_IN_WELCOMELIST_TO. > > In order to remove racially charged configuration options, whitelist > will become welcomelist

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Rules referencing WHITELIST or BLACKLIST in process of being Renamed

2020-07-19 Thread John Hardin
On Sun, 19 Jul 2020, Loren Wilton wrote: In other words, support both "black" and "block", and "white" and "welcome", for at least 3 months, I suggest. The bug report that introduced this change claimed 100% backward compatability for at least one year, later changed to until 4.0 came out,

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Rules referencing WHITELIST or BLACKLIST in process of being Renamed

2020-07-19 Thread Loren Wilton
In other words, support both "black" and "block", and "white" and "welcome", for at least 3 months, I suggest. The bug report that introduced this change claimed 100% backward compatability for at least one year, later changed to until 4.0 came out, whenever that will be. Of course it

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Rules referencing WHITELIST or BLACKLIST in process of being Renamed

2020-07-19 Thread Antony Stone
On Sunday 19 July 2020 at 19:56:34, Kevin A. McGrail wrote: > We only publish one set of rules so you will see that become welcome > instead of white. My feeling on this is that such a breaking change requires a fairly lengthy backward-compatible transition period (with appropriate warning

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Rules referencing WHITELIST or BLACKLIST in process of being Renamed

2020-07-19 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
-- > *Van: *"Kevin A. McGrail" > *Aan: *"SA Mailing list" , "SpamAssassin > Devel List" > *Verzonden: *Zondag 19 juli 2020 18:09:36 > *Onderwerp: *IMPORTANT NOTICE: Rules referencing WHITELIST or BLACKLIST > in process of bein

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Rules referencing WHITELIST or BLACKLIST in process of being Renamed

2020-07-19 Thread Thom van der Boon
;SpamAssassin Devel List" Verzonden: Zondag 19 juli 2020 18:09:36 Onderwerp: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Rules referencing WHITELIST or BLACKLIST in process of being Renamed All: As of today, the configuration option WHITELIST_TO has been renamed WELCOMELIST_TO with an alias for backwards

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Rules referencing WHITELIST or BLACKLIST in process of being Renamed

2020-07-19 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
e i start to puke is "WHITELIST_TO" and > "USER_IN_WHITELIST_TO" are renamed, it obviously affects users running > *stable releases* and you guys are not capable to rename every > appareance of BLACKLIST and WHITELIST at the same time It's a balance of trying to support

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Rules referencing WHITELIST or BLACKLIST in process of being Renamed

2020-07-19 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
the eval or unknown rule for descriptions. The issue this morning is dealing with local rescoring or local rules that use rules that are being renamed in stock ruleset.  Do you have any local rescoring or local rules built on *WHITELIST* or *BLACKLIST*?  If not, the issue should be minor.  Regards

IMPORTANT NOTICE: Rules referencing WHITELIST or BLACKLIST in process of being Renamed

2020-07-19 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
. If you have custom scoring or any custom rules building on USER_IN_WHITELIST_TO, please accept our apologies and change the references to USER_IN_WELCOMELIST_TO. In order to remove racially charged configuration options, whitelist will become welcomelist and blacklist will become blocklist.  More

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR PEOPLE RUNNING TRUNK re: [Bug 7826] Improve language around whitelist/blacklist and master/slave

2020-07-17 Thread Antony Stone
On Friday 17 July 2020 at 19:17:42, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > this entire "movement" about changing language boiled down is nothing more > than yet another example of white people deciding what is best for people of > color - like has been going on for centuries. I applaud your comment, but I

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR PEOPLE RUNNING TRUNK re: [Bug 7826] Improve language around whitelist/blacklist and master/slave

2020-07-17 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
I think this bit is finally dying down so I will merely point out as the last, final nail in the coffin on all of this, that the majority of people on both the Apache and the Linux projects (as well as the other larger commercial entities like Google, etc. that are engaged in this) are NOT

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