Re: Irony

2011-02-15 Thread J4K
Not a chance. Philip Prindeville philipp_s...@redfish-solutions.com wrote: On 2/7/11 1:28 AM, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 09:49:36 -0500 Michael Scheidellmichael.scheid...@secnap.com wrote: because HELO doesn't match RDNS. On 01.02.11 09:54, David F. Skoll wrote:

Re: Irony

2011-02-14 Thread Philip Prindeville
On 2/7/11 1:28 AM, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 09:49:36 -0500 Michael Scheidellmichael.scheid...@secnap.com wrote: because HELO doesn't match RDNS. On 01.02.11 09:54, David F. Skoll wrote: Rejecting on that basis would also cause tons of false-positives. It's also

Re: Irony

2011-02-07 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 09:49:36 -0500 Michael Scheidell michael.scheid...@secnap.com wrote: because HELO doesn't match RDNS. On 01.02.11 09:54, David F. Skoll wrote: Rejecting on that basis would also cause tons of false-positives. It's also violation of all SMTP RFCs (former and current),

Re: RFC-Ignorant (was Re: Irony)

2011-02-04 Thread Giles Coochey
On 03/02/2011 22:51, Adam Moffett wrote: That's an interesting point of view. It was suggested on this list fairly recently to publish a fake secondary MX as a way to reduce spam. The stated reason being that some spamming software hits the backup MX first and if that doesn't work will

Re: RFC-Ignorant (was Re: Irony)

2011-02-04 Thread Michael Scheidell
On 2/4/11 4:54 AM, Giles Coochey wrote: to use it for an IP address that is allocated and is controlled by you. O I think the ip of your router might work. as long as a) you never have an ip on it b) you don't load 'hits' on it to dshield. your dns server, the ip of your outbound nat (as long

Re: RFC-Ignorant (was Re: Irony)

2011-02-04 Thread mouss
Le 03/02/2011 22:51, Adam Moffett a écrit : That's good. The only useful list (BogusMX) can be discovered without querying rfc-ignorant anyway. Just get the MX records for the sending domain (which are almost certainly in cache) and make sure they resolve to real IP addresses. We reject

Re: RFC-Ignorant (was Re: Irony)

2011-02-03 Thread Warren Togami Jr.
On 2/2/2011 7:45 AM, John Levine wrote: RFC Ignorant is deep into kook territory, as should be apparent if you look at which RFCs they expect people to follow, and what their definition of follow is. abuse.net has been listed for years, since there is an autoresponder on ab...@abuse.net, and

Re: RFC-Ignorant (was Re: Irony)

2011-02-03 Thread David F. Skoll
On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 10:42:27 -1000 Warren Togami Jr. wtog...@gmail.com wrote: https://issues.apache.org/SpamAssassin/show_bug.cgi?id=6526 We finally agreed that rfc-ignorant.org is useless, or slightly more harmful than good. Spamassassin will be disabling these rules by default sometime

Re: RFC-Ignorant (was Re: Irony)

2011-02-03 Thread Adam Moffett
That's good. The only useful list (BogusMX) can be discovered without querying rfc-ignorant anyway. Just get the MX records for the sending domain (which are almost certainly in cache) and make sure they resolve to real IP addresses. We reject domains that publish MX records in 127/8 or the

Re: RFC-Ignorant (was Re: Irony)

2011-02-03 Thread David F. Skoll
Ha! I tried posting some log lines and they got rejected because of SURBL hits! :) Here goes again... remove the capital X from domain names and IP addresses :) On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 16:51:15 -0500 Adam Moffett adamli...@plexicomm.net wrote: That's an interesting point of view. It was

Re: RFC-Ignorant (was Re: Irony)

2011-02-02 Thread Joseph Brennan
David F. Skoll d...@roaringpenguin.com wrote: The battle raged for a while, but eventually we were delisted. (We block mail from to postmas...@roaringpenguin.com because we never, ever send mail from postmas...@roaringpenguin.com) We do the same for postmas...@columbia.edu for the same

Re: RFC-Ignorant (was Re: Irony)

2011-02-02 Thread John Levine
RFC Ignorant is deep into kook territory, as should be apparent if you look at which RFCs they expect people to follow, and what their definition of follow is. abuse.net has been listed for years, since there is an autoresponder on ab...@abuse.net, and I've never noticed any delivery problems.

Re: Irony

2011-02-02 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello Danita Zanre, Am 2011-02-01 07:30:19, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: Messages from this list have been bouncing since I started enforcing Reverse DNS lookups on my server. Thats interesting, because my Courier-MTA does it to and it does not bounce a singel message from this list

Re: Irony

2011-02-02 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello Giles Coochey, Am 2011-02-01 15:46:05, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: Personally, rejecting a message on the basis of a single criteria is pretty harsh. You don't need to be the RFC-police to catch nearly all spam and I'm sure that rejecting on a single issue or dubious fact will

Re: RFC-Ignorant (was Re: Irony)

2011-02-02 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello David F. Skoll, Am 2011-02-01 10:02:50, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: The battle raged for a while, but eventually we were delisted. (We block mail from to postmas...@roaringpenguin.com because we never, ever send mail from postmas...@roaringpenguin.com) Hmmm, if you could know,

Irony

2011-02-01 Thread Danita Zanre
Messages from this list have been bouncing since I started enforcing Reverse DNS lookups on my server. Danita

Re: Irony

2011-02-01 Thread Giles Coochey
On 01/02/2011 15:30, Danita Zanre wrote: Messages from this list have been bouncing since I started enforcing Reverse DNS lookups on my server. Danita Why??? Default Server: cache0201.ns.eu.uu.net Address: 193.79.237.39 hermes.apache.org Server: cache0201.ns.eu.uu.net Address:

Re: Irony

2011-02-01 Thread Ralf Hildebrandt
* Danita Zanre dan...@caledonia.net: Messages from this list have been bouncing since I started enforcing Reverse DNS lookups on my server. Enforce how exactly? -- Ralf Hildebrandt Geschäftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk Charité - Universitätsmedizin Berlin Campus Benjamin Franklin

Re: Irony

2011-02-01 Thread David F. Skoll
On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 07:30:19 -0700 Danita Zanre dan...@caledonia.net wrote: Messages from this list have been bouncing since I started enforcing Reverse DNS lookups on my server. The irony is that you think that's a good idea. -- David.

Re: Irony

2011-02-01 Thread Randy Ramsdell
David F. Skoll wrote: On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 07:30:19 -0700 Danita Zanre dan...@caledonia.net wrote: Messages from this list have been bouncing since I started enforcing Reverse DNS lookups on my server. The irony is that you think that's a good idea. -- David. Not sure. If our mail servers

Re: Irony

2011-02-01 Thread Giles Coochey
On 01/02/2011 15:43, Randy Ramsdell wrote: Not sure. If our mail servers did not have reverse, we would be rejected all over the place. Seems like a common setting. Or is it? Personally, rejecting a message on the basis of a single criteria is pretty harsh. You don't need to be the

Re: Irony

2011-02-01 Thread Michael Scheidell
On 2/1/11 9:34 AM, Giles Coochey wrote: On 01/02/2011 15:30, Danita Zanre wrote: Messages from this list have been bouncing since I started enforcing Reverse DNS lookups on my server. Danita Why??? Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) because HELO

Re: Irony

2011-02-01 Thread David F. Skoll
On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 09:43:40 -0500 Randy Ramsdell rramsd...@activedg.com wrote: Not sure. If our mail servers did not have reverse, we would be rejected all over the place. Seems like a common setting. Or is it? Microsoft Windows is very common, but that doesn't make it a good idea. We add a

Re: Irony

2011-02-01 Thread Randy Ramsdell
David F. Skoll wrote: On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 09:43:40 -0500 Randy Ramsdell rramsd...@activedg.com wrote: Not sure. If our mail servers did not have reverse, we would be rejected all over the place. Seems like a common setting. Or is it? Microsoft Windows is very common, but that doesn't make it

Re: Irony

2011-02-01 Thread Michael Scheidell
On 2/1/11 9:49 AM, David F. Skoll wrote: On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 09:43:40 -0500 Randy Ramsdellrramsd...@activedg.com wrote: Not sure. If our mail servers did not have reverse, we would be rejected all over the place. Seems like a common setting. Or is it? so we should reject your email if you

Re: Irony

2011-02-01 Thread Giles Coochey
On 01/02/2011 15:49, Michael Scheidell wrote: On 2/1/11 9:34 AM, Giles Coochey wrote: On 01/02/2011 15:30, Danita Zanre wrote: Messages from this list have been bouncing since I started enforcing Reverse DNS lookups on my server. Danita Why??? Received: from mail.apache.org

Re: Irony

2011-02-01 Thread David F. Skoll
On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 09:49:36 -0500 Michael Scheidell michael.scheid...@secnap.com wrote: because HELO doesn't match RDNS. Rejecting on that basis would also cause tons of false-positives. Regards, David.

Re: Irony

2011-02-01 Thread Randy Ramsdell
Michael Scheidell wrote: On 2/1/11 9:49 AM, David F. Skoll wrote: On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 09:43:40 -0500 Randy Ramsdellrramsd...@activedg.com wrote: Not sure. If our mail servers did not have reverse, we would be rejected all over the place. Seems like a common setting. Or is it? so we should

RFC-Ignorant (was Re: Irony)

2011-02-01 Thread David F. Skoll
On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 09:52:04 -0500 Michael Scheidell michael.scheid...@secnap.com wrote: [204.89.241.253] mail from: 250 OK rcpt to: ab...@caledonia.net 550 Missing, invalid or expired BATV signature A long time ago, I was involved with an argument with the RFC-Ignorant maintainer. The

Re: More unintentional spam humor/irony

2005-09-12 Thread Thomas Cameron
At 03:21 PM 9/11/2005, Justin Mason wrote: The choice of anti-bayes-filler below is unfortunate on so many levels nasty. but unsurprising -- I've always thought that news/current events would make the best bayes poison -- certainly beats 19th century prose J, I think the unfortunate

Re: More unintentional spam humor/irony

2005-09-12 Thread Matt Kettler
Thomas Cameron wrote: I dunno, I thought the mention of the Army Corps of Engineers and pumping in the same message as a lose weight message was pretty funny as well... Hmm.. Mil-spec liposuction? Ouch.

More unintentional spam humor/irony

2005-09-11 Thread Bart Schaefer
The choice of anti-bayes-filler below is unfortunate on so many levels ... and on top of that, they spammed our abuse address. (Links to spammer site deleted.) -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 09:45:40 +0500 From: Nadia Joyner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: abuse Subject:

Re: More unintentional spam humor/irony

2005-09-11 Thread Justin Mason
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bart Schaefer writes: The choice of anti-bayes-filler below is unfortunate on so many levels nasty. but unsurprising -- I've always thought that news/current events would make the best bayes poison -- certainly beats 19th century prose ...

Re: More unintentional spam humor/irony

2005-09-11 Thread Matt Kettler
At 03:21 PM 9/11/2005, Justin Mason wrote: The choice of anti-bayes-filler below is unfortunate on so many levels nasty. but unsurprising -- I've always thought that news/current events would make the best bayes poison -- certainly beats 19th century prose J, I think the unfortunate

Ah, the irony. [Fwd: ScanMail Message: To Sender, sensitive content found and action taken.]

2004-11-04 Thread Kris Deugau
System Attendant wrote: Trend SMEX Content Filter has detected sensitive content. Place = ; mimedefang@lists.roaringpenguin.com; users@spamassassin.apache.org; ; mimedefang@lists.roaringpenguin.com Sender = Kris Deugau Subject = [Mimedefang] Re: Frustration... Delivery Time = November