Re: MTX plugin created (Re: Spam filtering similar to SPF, less breakage)

2010-02-15 Thread Justin Mason
On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 11:01, Per Jessen p...@computer.org wrote: Justin Mason wrote: On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 03:00,  dar...@chaosreigns.com wrote: http://www.chaosreigns.com/mtx/ It might be useful to compare with MTA MARK and see what the status of that proposal currently is:

Re: MTX plugin created (Re: Spam filtering similar to SPF, less breakage)

2010-02-13 Thread Per Jessen
Justin Mason wrote: On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 03:00, dar...@chaosreigns.com wrote: http://www.chaosreigns.com/mtx/ It might be useful to compare with MTA MARK and see what the status of that proposal currently is: http://tools.ietf.org/draft/draft-stumpf-dns-mtamark/

Re: MTX plugin created (Re: Spam filtering similar to SPF, less breakage)

2010-02-13 Thread Charles Gregory
On Sat, 13 Feb 2010, Per Jessen wrote: Justin Mason wrote: It might be useful to compare with MTA MARK and see what the status of that proposal currently is: http://tools.ietf.org/draft/draft-stumpf-dns-mtamark/ Amazing. Justin, you must have known about that one - you can't possibly have

Re: MTX plugin created (Re: Spam filtering similar to SPF, less breakage)

2010-02-12 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 02/11, Henrik K wrote: method of whitelisting. You can't seriously expect to block on some attribute that not everyone can or bothers to change (DNS). None of this On 11.02.10 16:34, dar...@chaosreigns.com wrote: I am not suggesting that anyone block anything based on MTX at this time.

Re: MTX plugin created (Re: Spam filtering similar to SPF, less breakage)

2010-02-12 Thread Justin Mason
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 03:00, dar...@chaosreigns.com wrote: http://www.chaosreigns.com/mtx/ It might be useful to compare with MTA MARK and see what the status of that proposal currently is: http://tools.ietf.org/draft/draft-stumpf-dns-mtamark/

Re: MTX plugin created (Re: Spam filtering similar to SPF, less breakage)

2010-02-11 Thread --[ UxBoD ]--
- dar...@chaosreigns.com wrote: http://www.chaosreigns.com/mtx/ -- Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard. - H. L. Mencken http://www.ChaosReigns.com Like the simplicity and it does appear to be a great idea. Why do

Re: MTX plugin created (Re: Spam filtering similar to SPF, less breakage)

2010-02-11 Thread Darxus
On 02/11, --[ UxBoD ]-- wrote: Like the simplicity and it does appear to be a great idea. Why do you believe SPF or DKIM generate breakage ? Thank you. SPF breakage occurs where a user has configured one of their email addresses to automatically forward their mail to another of their email

Re: MTX plugin created (Re: Spam filtering similar to SPF, less breakage)

2010-02-11 Thread Henrik K
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 10:00:05PM -0500, dar...@chaosreigns.com wrote: http://www.chaosreigns.com/mtx/ What a complex scheme you invented for a simple problem. All you have to do is to require legimate relays to have a FCrDNS entry with an actually identifiable name, like starting with smtp.

Re: MTX plugin created (Re: Spam filtering similar to SPF, less breakage)

2010-02-11 Thread Per Jessen
Henrik K wrote: On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 10:00:05PM -0500, dar...@chaosreigns.com wrote: http://www.chaosreigns.com/mtx/ What a complex scheme you invented for a simple problem. All you have to do is to require legimate relays to have a FCrDNS entry with an actually identifiable name, like

Re: MTX plugin created (Re: Spam filtering similar to SPF, less breakage)

2010-02-11 Thread Henrik K
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 03:45:32PM +0100, Per Jessen wrote: Henrik K wrote: On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 10:00:05PM -0500, dar...@chaosreigns.com wrote: http://www.chaosreigns.com/mtx/ What a complex scheme you invented for a simple problem. All you have to do is to require legimate

Re: MTX plugin created (Re: Spam filtering similar to SPF, less breakage)

2010-02-11 Thread Darxus
On 02/11, Henrik K wrote: What a complex scheme you invented for a simple problem. All you have to do is to require legimate relays to have a FCrDNS entry with an actually identifiable name, like starting with smtp. Much simpler to take advantage of that and it actually is somewhat used today.

Re: MTX plugin created (Re: Spam filtering similar to SPF, less breakage)

2010-02-11 Thread Bowie Bailey
dar...@chaosreigns.com wrote: On 02/11, Henrik K wrote: What a complex scheme you invented for a simple problem. All you have to do is to require legimate relays to have a FCrDNS entry with an actually identifiable name, like starting with smtp. Much simpler to take advantage of that and

Re: MTX plugin created (Re: Spam filtering similar to SPF, less breakage)

2010-02-11 Thread Charles Gregory
On Wed, 10 Feb 2010, dar...@chaosreigns.com wrote: http://www.chaosreigns.com/mtx/ You know, just for a moment I thought I would take a look, just for curiosity sake, and instead got this moronic jack-ass ATTITUDE page. You are welcome to your opinions on browsers, and are free to whine

Re: MTX plugin created (Re: Spam filtering similar to SPF, less breakage)

2010-02-11 Thread Bowie Bailey
Charles Gregory wrote: On Wed, 10 Feb 2010, dar...@chaosreigns.com wrote: http://www.chaosreigns.com/mtx/ You know, just for a moment I thought I would take a look, just for curiosity sake, and instead got this moronic jack-ass ATTITUDE page. What page were you looking at? All I see at that

Re: MTX plugin created (Re: Spam filtering similar to SPF, less breakage)

2010-02-11 Thread Henrik K
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:57:47AM -0500, Bowie Bailey wrote: dar...@chaosreigns.com wrote: On 02/11, Henrik K wrote: What a complex scheme you invented for a simple problem. All you have to do is to require legimate relays to have a FCrDNS entry with an actually identifiable name,

Re: MTX plugin created (Re: Spam filtering similar to SPF, less breakage)

2010-02-11 Thread Jeff Mincy
From: Charles Gregory cgreg...@hwcn.org Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:55:10 -0500 (EST) On Wed, 10 Feb 2010, dar...@chaosreigns.com wrote: http://www.chaosreigns.com/mtx/ You know, just for a moment I thought I would take a look, just for curiosity sake, and instead got

Re: MTX plugin created (Re: Spam filtering similar to SPF, less breakage)

2010-02-11 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 10:00:05PM -0500, dar...@chaosreigns.com wrote: http://www.chaosreigns.com/mtx/ On 11.02.10 16:06, Henrik K wrote: What a complex scheme you invented for a simple problem. All you have to do is to require legimate relays to have a FCrDNS entry with an actually

Re: MTX plugin created (Re: Spam filtering similar to SPF, less breakage)

2010-02-11 Thread Henrik K
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 06:25:07PM +0100, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 10:00:05PM -0500, dar...@chaosreigns.com wrote: http://www.chaosreigns.com/mtx/ On 11.02.10 16:06, Henrik K wrote: What a complex scheme you invented for a simple problem. All you have to do

Re: MTX plugin created (Re: Spam filtering similar to SPF, less breakage)

2010-02-11 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 10:00:05PM -0500, dar...@chaosreigns.com wrote: http://www.chaosreigns.com/mtx/ On 11.02.10 16:06, Henrik K wrote: What a complex scheme you invented for a simple problem. All you have to do is to require legimate relays to have a FCrDNS entry with an

Re: MTX plugin created (Re: Spam filtering similar to SPF, less breakage)

2010-02-11 Thread Henrik K
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 06:42:44PM +0100, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 10:00:05PM -0500, dar...@chaosreigns.com wrote: http://www.chaosreigns.com/mtx/ On 11.02.10 16:06, Henrik K wrote: What a complex scheme you invented for a simple problem. All you have

Re: [sa] Re: MTX plugin created (Re: Spam filtering similar to SPF, less breakage)

2010-02-11 Thread Charles Gregory
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010, Bowie Bailey wrote: What page were you looking at? All I see at that URL is a fairly straightforward description of how to implement his MTX system. The page 'redirects' to this one: http://www.chaosreigns.com/fail It's a rant page telling the visitor that you cannot

Re: MTX plugin created (Re: Spam filtering similar to SPF, less breakage)

2010-02-11 Thread LuKreme
On 11-Feb-2010, at 09:55, Charles Gregory wrote: You are welcome to your opinions on browsers, and are free to whine about the evils of microsoft all you want, but if you are going to post a link with the intent for the 'average' person to read it, then you better make it *accessible* to

Re: MTX plugin created (Re: Spam filtering similar to SPF, less breakage)

2010-02-11 Thread LuKreme
On 11-Feb-2010, at 11:11, Charles Gregory wrote: It's a rant page telling the visitor that you cannot read the site using Internet Explorer, Good. Get a real browser. with major (large font) attitude that this is the fault of the browser. It is, and this is explained clearly. IE does not

Re: MTX plugin created (Re: Spam filtering similar to SPF, less breakage)

2010-02-11 Thread Bowie Bailey
LuKreme wrote: On 11-Feb-2010, at 11:11, Charles Gregory wrote: It's a rant page telling the visitor that you cannot read the site using Internet Explorer, Good. Get a real browser. with major (large font) attitude that this is the fault of the browser. It is, and

Re: MTX plugin created (Re: Spam filtering similar to SPF, less breakage)

2010-02-11 Thread Charles Gregory
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010, LuKreme wrote: Erm.. The string microsoft doesn't even exist on that page. No Microsoft browser supports this 9 year old standard. Obviously you are't using IE and so you weren't subjected to the arrogant refusal of his server to deliver the requested page. (shrug) - C

Re: [sa] Re: MTX plugin created (Re: Spam filtering similar to SPF, less breakage)

2010-02-11 Thread Charles Gregory
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010, LuKreme wrote: It's a rant page telling the visitor that you cannot read the site using Internet Explorer, Good. Get a real browser. Like I said, he (and you) can rant all you want about the evils of Microsoft, and frankly I wouldn't be inclined to argue with you. (grin)

Re: MTX plugin created (Re: Spam filtering similar to SPF, less breakage)

2010-02-11 Thread Darxus
On 02/11, Henrik K wrote: method of whitelisting. You can't seriously expect to block on some attribute that not everyone can or bothers to change (DNS). None of this Correct. I am not suggesting that anyone block anything based on MTX at this time. I suggest using it for whitelisting (small

Re: MTX plugin created (Re: Spam filtering similar to SPF, less breakage)

2010-02-11 Thread Charles Gregory
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010, Bowie Bailey wrote: I would blame whoever set up the website. The page in question does not even attempt to use the features that the fail page refers to. (nod) I guess that really says it all Thanks for mentioning this. Now my 'vague feeling' is confirmed. - C

Re: MTX plugin created (Re: Spam filtering similar to SPF, less breakage)

2010-02-11 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
Bowie Bailey wrote: LuKreme wrote: On 11-Feb-2010, at 11:11, Charles Gregory wrote: It's a rant page telling the visitor that you cannot read the site using Internet Explorer, Good. Get a real browser. with major (large font) attitude that this is the fault of the browser.

MTX plugin created (Re: Spam filtering similar to SPF, less breakage)

2010-02-10 Thread Darxus
http://www.chaosreigns.com/mtx/ -- Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard. - H. L. Mencken http://www.ChaosReigns.com