Re: Subversion Doesn't Have Branches aka Crossing the Streams aka Branches as First Class Objects?

2013-05-19 Thread
On 05/18/2013 08:33 PM, David Chapman wrote: On 5/18/2013 12:01 PM, Zé wrote: On 05/18/2013 07:16 PM, David Chapman wrote: You are pretty insistent that there is One True Way to use branches in development. No, I'm stating that if all a SCM does is track changes made to the contents of a

Re: Subversion Doesn't Have Branches aka Crossing the Streams aka Branches as First Class Objects?

2013-05-19 Thread Dave Huang
On May 19, 2013, at 3:20, Zé jose.pas...@gmx.com wrote: You are confused. This discussion is about how subversion lacks any support for branching, which is quite obvious to anyone who understands and acknowledges that all subversion does is track revision changes to a file system. I use

Re: Subversion Doesn't Have Branches aka Crossing the Streams aka Branches as First Class Objects?

2013-05-19 Thread
On 05/18/2013 09:16 PM, Johan Corveleyn wrote: So what's the actual problem (or problems) with SVN's branching and tagging? Where does it hurt your workflow? What would make SVN not hurt you in that way? Please be concrete, and give examples of what really bothers you as a user or an admin in

Re: Subversion Doesn't Have Branches aka Crossing the Streams aka Branches as First Class Objects?

2013-05-19 Thread
On 05/19/2013 09:33 AM, Dave Huang wrote: I use branches in SVN all the time… you might take Read the thread. -- Zé

Re: Subversion Doesn't Have Branches aka Crossing the Streams aka Branches as First Class Objects?

2013-05-19 Thread Branko Čibej
On 19.05.2013 10:51, Zé wrote: On 05/18/2013 09:16 PM, Johan Corveleyn wrote: So what's the actual problem (or problems) with SVN's branching and tagging? Where does it hurt your workflow? What would make SVN not hurt you in that way? Please be concrete, and give examples of what really

Re: Subversion Doesn't Have Branches aka Crossing the Streams aka Branches as First Class Objects?

2013-05-19 Thread
On 05/19/2013 09:51 AM, Zé wrote: Again, the problem is that subversion does not support branches or tags. All it supports is basic file operations on a file system, and they are not adequate for simulating branches or tags. Regarding tags, there's a better way to handle them in subversion:

Re: Subversion Doesn't Have Branches aka Crossing the Streams aka Branches as First Class Objects?

2013-05-19 Thread
On 05/19/2013 10:01 AM, Branko Čibej wrote: If Subversion does not support your workflow, then replace Subversion, or change your workflow. Did you even browsed the thread? This whole thread is on how subversion does not support branching, and how subversion would be even better than what

Re: Subversion Doesn't Have Branches aka Crossing the Streams aka Branches as First Class Objects?

2013-05-19 Thread Branko Čibej
On 19.05.2013 11:08, Zé wrote: On 05/19/2013 09:51 AM, Zé wrote: Again, the problem is that subversion does not support branches or tags. All it supports is basic file operations on a file system, and they are not adequate for simulating branches or tags. Regarding tags, there's a better

Re: svnserve DoS attack (1.7.8)

2013-05-19 Thread Stefan Sperling
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 02:08:57PM +0400, Boris Lytochkin wrote: It is possible to force svnserve daemon to exit using trivial (and valid) TCP session: Thanks for your bug report and patch, Boris. We'll release updates soon that include a fix for this issue. In the future, please report

Re: Subversion Doesn't Have Branches aka Crossing the Streams aka Branches as First Class Objects?

2013-05-19 Thread Thorsten Schöning
Guten Tag Zé, am Sonntag, 19. Mai 2013 um 10:20 schrieben Sie: You are confused. This discussion is about how subversion lacks any support for branching, which is quite obvious to anyone who understands and acknowledges that all subversion does is track revision changes to a file

Re: Subversion Doesn't Have Branches aka Crossing the Streams aka Branches as First Class Objects?

2013-05-19 Thread Branko Čibej
On 19.05.2013 11:16, Zé wrote: On 05/19/2013 10:01 AM, Branko Čibej wrote: If Subversion does not support your workflow, then replace Subversion, or change your workflow. Did you even browsed the thread? This whole thread is on how subversion does not support branching, and how subversion

Re: Subversion Doesn't Have Branches aka Crossing the Streams aka Branches as First Class Objects?

2013-05-19 Thread Thorsten Schöning
Guten Tag Zé, am Sonntag, 19. Mai 2013 um 10:51 schrieben Sie: 7) This is the problem: [...] This was surely not the problem, the thread started because of changed revision numbers, you seem to be the only who wants to remove history of changes. Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Thorsten Schöning --

Re: Subversion Doesn't Have Branches aka Crossing the Streams aka Branches as First Class Objects?

2013-05-19 Thread Thorsten Schöning
Guten Tag Andreas Krey, am Samstag, 18. Mai 2013 um 22:41 schrieben Sie: You mean like 'I expect tags to be immutable out of the box, and have the VCS not modify them with perfectly normal operations, at least not without adding -f or something to them'? This sounds like Subversion

Re: Subversion Doesn't Have Branches aka Crossing the Streams aka Branches as First Class Objects?

2013-05-19 Thread Thorsten Schöning
Guten Tag Andreas Krey, am Samstag, 18. Mai 2013 um 22:55 schrieben Sie: All that structure is implicit. Unless someone tells you, you have no ways to deduce which paths of a subversion repository are meaningful to check out and which aren't. But that's nearly the same with any other SCMs

Re: Subversion Doesn't Have Branches aka Crossing the Streams aka Branches as First Class Objects?

2013-05-19 Thread Johan Corveleyn
On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Zé jose.pas...@gmx.com wrote: On 05/18/2013 09:16 PM, Johan Corveleyn wrote: So what's the actual problem (or problems) with SVN's branching and tagging? Where does it hurt your workflow? What would make SVN not hurt you in that way? Please be concrete, and

Re: Subversion Doesn't Have Branches aka Crossing the Streams aka Branches as First Class Objects?

2013-05-19 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 3:01 PM, Zé jose.pas...@gmx.com wrote: On 05/18/2013 07:16 PM, David Chapman wrote: You are pretty insistent that there is One True Way to use branches in development. No, I'm stating that if all a SCM does is track changes made to the contents of a directory and

Re: Subversion Doesn't Have Branches aka Crossing the Streams aka Branches as First Class Objects?

2013-05-19 Thread Andreas Krey
On Sun, 19 May 2013 09:20:31 +, Zé wrote: ... file system. What you are insistingly referring to as branches is nothing more than a copy of a particular subdirectory (i.e., the trunk) into another subdirectory (i.e., branches), which is nothing more than a plain recursive directory

Re: UNS: Re: Subversion Doesn't Have Branches aka Crossing the Streams aka Branches as First Class Objects?

2013-05-19 Thread Les Mikesell
On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Zé jose.pas...@gmx.com wrote: Besides that, from my understanding filesystems do provide something which could be argued as support for branches and tags because branches are simply just work on something based on something other, which is implemented as