Re: Keeping tomcat up-to-date on linux

2010-06-08 Thread Christopher Schultz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dave, (Found this old message in my drafts folder. In case I didn't sent it, here it is) On 5/19/2010 11:55 PM, Dale Ogilvie wrote: Yes, the release gap is an issue for me as well. Hence this email trail :-) Parallelism is achieved for us

Re: Keeping tomcat up-to-date on linux

2010-05-21 Thread Christopher Schultz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dale, On 5/20/2010 6:40 PM, André Warnier wrote: Dale Ogilvie wrote: ... A free gift can vary greatly in it's final value, depending on it's actual usefulness and how many hidden costs it brings with it. I think that now you are *really*

Re: Keeping tomcat up-to-date on linux

2010-05-21 Thread André Warnier
Christopher Schultz wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dale, On 5/20/2010 6:40 PM, André Warnier wrote: Dale Ogilvie wrote: ... A free gift can vary greatly in it's final value, depending on it's actual usefulness and how many hidden costs it brings with it. I think

Re: Keeping tomcat up-to-date on linux

2010-05-20 Thread Harry Metske
I agree with Hassan, our reasons to use the tar.gz install method : * in most serious Tomcat environments you need more control over the installation and configuration than the distro managed version offers. * most distro's (especially RHEL) are lagging behind, so you don't get the latest stuff

Re: Keeping tomcat up-to-date on linux

2010-05-20 Thread Yucca Nel
hassan.schroe...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 7:00 AM To: Tomcat Users List users@tomcat.apache.org Subject: Re: Keeping tomcat up-to-date on linux On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 8:55 PM, Dale Ogilvie dale.ogil...@trimble.co.nz wrote: I'm pleased to hear that the upgrade process is trivial

Re: Keeping tomcat up-to-date on linux

2010-05-20 Thread Pid *
users@tomcat.apache.org Subject: Re: Keeping tomcat up-to-date on linux On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 8:55 PM, Dale Ogilvie dale.ogil...@trimble.co.nz wrote: I'm pleased to hear that the upgrade process is trivial with your setup. If you're going to have special practices, they might as well

RE: Keeping tomcat up-to-date on linux

2010-05-20 Thread Caldarale, Charles R
From: Pid * [mailto:p...@pidster.com] Subject: Re: Keeping tomcat up-to-date on linux Your problem isn't, at first glance, a Tomcat problem. Almost, if not all of your recent problems have been to do with JSF. You will be more likely to find the specific help you need elsewhere. Probably

Re: Keeping tomcat up-to-date on linux

2010-05-20 Thread Mark H. Wood
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 02:03:24PM +1200, Dale Ogilvie wrote: Hi, The current release is 6.0.26, March 2010. RHEL5.x is running with Tomcat 5.5. Fedora 12 is on 6.0.20, June 2009 vintage. Ubuntu 10.04 is on 6.0.24 from Jan 2010. Gentoo doesn't.have.versions.anymore is on 6.0.26

Re: Keeping tomcat up-to-date on linux

2010-05-20 Thread Christopher Schultz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hassan, On 5/19/2010 11:07 PM, Hassan Schroeder wrote: On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Dale Ogilvie dale.ogil...@trimble.co.nz wrote: I'm hoping for something a bit more distro managed. Presumably your method means you have to maintain your

RE: Keeping tomcat up-to-date on linux

2010-05-20 Thread Dale Ogilvie
List Subject: Re: Keeping tomcat up-to-date on linux I agree with Hassan, our reasons to use the tar.gz install method : * in most serious Tomcat environments you need more control over the installation and configuration than the distro managed version offers. * most distro's (especially RHEL

Re: Keeping tomcat up-to-date on linux

2010-05-20 Thread Christopher Schultz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dave, On 5/19/2010 11:55 PM, Dale Ogilvie wrote: Yes, the release gap is an issue for me as well. Hence this email trail :-) Parallelism is achieved for us for other software by package updating the test/dev server and testing that prior to

Re: Keeping tomcat up-to-date on linux

2010-05-20 Thread André Warnier
: Keeping tomcat up-to-date on linux I agree with Hassan, our reasons to use the tar.gz install method : * in most serious Tomcat environments you need more control over the installation and configuration than the distro managed version offers. * most distro's (especially RHEL) are lagging behind, so you

RE: Keeping tomcat up-to-date on linux

2010-05-20 Thread Caldarale, Charles R
From: André Warnier [mailto:a...@ice-sa.com] Subject: Re: Keeping tomcat up-to-date on linux In my country, there is a proverb : if you receive a horse (as a present, for free), then you should not check his teeth. Slightly different in English-based cultures: Don't look a gift horse

RE: Keeping tomcat up-to-date on linux

2010-05-20 Thread Dale Ogilvie
and how many hidden costs it brings with it. -Original Message- From: André Warnier [mailto:a...@ice-sa.com] Sent: Friday, 21 May 2010 10:05 a.m. To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Keeping tomcat up-to-date on linux Hi. I think in all of this, you may be overlooking one element

Re: Keeping tomcat up-to-date on linux

2010-05-20 Thread André Warnier
Dale Ogilvie wrote: ... A free gift can vary greatly in it's final value, depending on it's actual usefulness and how many hidden costs it brings with it. I think that now you are *really* pushing it. People have been blacklisted from this list, and have had their Tomcat download license

Keeping tomcat up-to-date on linux

2010-05-19 Thread Dale Ogilvie
Hi, The current release is 6.0.26, March 2010. RHEL5.x is running with Tomcat 5.5. Fedora 12 is on 6.0.20, June 2009 vintage. Ubuntu 10.04 is on 6.0.24 from Jan 2010. Ideally, the equivalent of a yum update would track tomcat releases so that soon after a tomcat release the tomcat6 package

Re: Keeping tomcat up-to-date on linux

2010-05-19 Thread Hassan Schroeder
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Dale Ogilvie dale.ogil...@trimble.co.nz wrote: What do people do to keep their tomcat patched up? I watch this list for announcements of new releases and install them :-) Of course, reading the release notes lets me decide how urgently that needs to happen

RE: Keeping tomcat up-to-date on linux

2010-05-19 Thread Dale Ogilvie
Hassan Schroeder wrote: I watch this list for announcements of new releases and install them :-) I'm hoping for something a bit more distro managed. Presumably your method means you have to maintain your own init.d scripts and use the tar xzvf method of installation, outside of your distro

Re: Keeping tomcat up-to-date on linux

2010-05-19 Thread Hassan Schroeder
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Dale Ogilvie dale.ogil...@trimble.co.nz wrote: I'm hoping for something a bit more distro managed. Presumably your method means you have to maintain your own init.d scripts and use the tar xzvf method of installation, outside of your distro package management

RE: Keeping tomcat up-to-date on linux

2010-05-19 Thread Dale Ogilvie
Yes, the release gap is an issue for me as well. Hence this email trail :-) Parallelism is achieved for us for other software by package updating the test/dev server and testing that prior to performing the same updates on prod. There is no need for us to have two versions of tomcat running on

Re: Keeping tomcat up-to-date on linux

2010-05-19 Thread Hassan Schroeder
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 8:55 PM, Dale Ogilvie dale.ogil...@trimble.co.nz wrote: I'm pleased to hear that the upgrade process is trivial with your setup. If you're going to have special practices, they might as well be simple. Since I don't use package management for anything important, it's

Re: Keeping tomcat up-to-date on linux

2010-05-19 Thread Thad Humphries
Exactly right, Hassan. I think it is extremely unwise to leave any critical portion of one's system--personal, development, or production--at the hands of the distro. I've used Linux for over a decade, and install Apache, Java, Tomcat, etc. by hand. ALWAYS. Oft times I build Apache myself. On