Re: Struts vs JSF (poll?)

2008-09-04 Thread Tommy Pham
Hello everyone, Thank you all for your replies and positive input. I'll read more about DWR, Wicket, and Tomcat MVC model to decide what's best for my project(s). Johnny, if by chance you manage to find the links to the Tomcat MVC model, would you please send it? I didn't have much success

Re: Struts vs JSF (poll?)

2008-09-04 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
Tommy Pham wrote: Johnny, if by chance you manage to find the links to the Tomcat MVC model, would you please send it? I didn't have much success googling it. Not to speak for Johnny, but you're probably having trouble finding anything because there's no such thing as Tomcat MVC, there's

Re: Struts vs JSF (poll?)

2008-08-26 Thread Christopher Schultz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Johnny, Johnny Kewl wrote: Use neither... prefer the plain TC MVC model. What do you consider the TC MVC model? Do you just mean use servlets configured in web.xml and use your own redirects/forwards from within them? One of the things I really

Re: Struts vs JSF (poll?)

2008-08-26 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
On Tue, August 26, 2008 12:33 pm, Christopher Schultz wrote: With respect to Frank's comments, S2 specifically encourages you to separate your own code from the framework, so that you can even implement your logic as framework-agnostic controllers that are simply auto-filled by the framework.

Re: Struts vs JSF (poll?)

2008-08-26 Thread David Whitehurst
Frank: I'm an AppFuse fan and while Struts 2 and JSF are an option, I've recently seen two solid applications using Spring Web Flow. I haven't used Web Flow for anything production yet. And, while this was the this vs. that discussion, I do agree that you should encourage developers to make up

Re: Struts vs JSF (poll?)

2008-08-26 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
On Tue, August 26, 2008 1:09 pm, David Whitehurst wrote: -snip- But, at the same time I think development managers and architects need to choose the best framework and then tell the newly hired developers that this is what we're using. You, the developer, either accept the choice or not. We

Re: Struts vs JSF (poll?)

2008-08-26 Thread Johnny Kewl
- Original Message - From: Christopher Schultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List users@tomcat.apache.org Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 6:33 PM Subject: Re: Struts vs JSF (poll?) What do you consider the TC MVC model? Do you just mean use servlets configured in web.xml

Re: Struts vs JSF (poll?)

2008-08-26 Thread Christopher Schultz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Frank, Frank W. Zammetti wrote: On Tue, August 26, 2008 12:33 pm, Christopher Schultz wrote: With respect to Frank's comments, S2 specifically encourages you to separate your own code from the framework, so that you can even implement your logic

Re: Struts vs JSF (poll?)

2008-08-26 Thread Mark H. Wood
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 01:33:02PM -0400, Frank W. Zammetti wrote: I'm in the architect/manager boat myself these days, so I'd be crazy to *not* agree :) I've seen though what happens when you play the ivory tower game and just come down the hill with the stone tablets that say this is what

Re: Struts vs JSF (poll?)

2008-08-26 Thread Johnny Kewl
- Original Message - From: Frank W. Zammetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List users@tomcat.apache.org Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:33 PM Subject: Re: Struts vs JSF (poll?) I'm in the architect/manager boat myself these days, so I'd be crazy to *not* agree :) I've seen

Re: Struts vs JSF (poll?)

2008-08-25 Thread Warren Bell
If you are starting from scratch I would not bother with JSF and don't even waste your time with Struts. Take a look at a framework called Wicket. It's a component based, event driven framework that is very easy to work with and fast to develop with. No crazy JSP tags to worry about either

Re: Struts vs JSF (poll?)

2008-08-24 Thread Johnny Kewl
- Original Message - From: Tommy Pham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: users@tomcat.apache.org Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 7:03 AM Subject: Struts vs JSF (poll?) Hi everyone, This maybe out of scope for this list but I wanted to know more about Struts vs JSF other this old article [1].

Re: Struts vs JSF (poll?)

2008-08-24 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
Being as most of what I do today is RIA development, I've personally found that the ideal solution is to use NO framework at all. I use DWR and just treat everything as method calls. The nice thing about that is you wind up with a very clean and plain structure to your application in the sense

Re: Struts vs JSF (poll?)

2008-08-24 Thread Johnny Kewl
- Original Message - From: Frank W. Zammetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List users@tomcat.apache.org Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 10:10 PM Subject: Re: Struts vs JSF (poll?) Being as most of what I do today is RIA development, I've personally found that the ideal solution