Re: Old Gen Full of Annotation Finder Index

Hi Jon Latest snapshot worked a charm. Old gen went from 500MB to 110MB after deploy completed. Thanks so much On Tue, 17 Dec 2019, 11:33 Paul Carter-Brown, wrote: > Thanks Jon. > > I'm away at the moment but will give it a spin in the next few days and > let you know. Thanks agai

Re: Old Gen Full of Annotation Finder Index

but >> will confirm. >> >> Jon >> >> On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 11:27 AM Jonathan Gallimore < >> jonathan.gallim...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Thanks for sending those over. I'm digging through this - I *think* I >>> have pinned down a

Re: Old Gen Full of Annotation Finder Index

at classloader from being > > released. The behaviour for a war/ear deployed in apps/ seems different > to > > deploying in webapps/ - I'm assuming that's what you're doing. If you can > > confirm, that would help. I'll test out a patch with some bigger

Re: Old Gen Full of Annotation Finder Index

Hi, The code does seem to use org.apache.openejb.core.TempClassLoader. I can see one instance in the heap for every war in my ear. + 1. The TempClassLoader however still has 100's of strong references to it. E.g: [image: image.png] [image: image.png] Paul Carter-Brown Director Jini Guru m

Re: Old Gen Full of Annotation Finder Index

FYI. Graph of the change in heap size on a prod instance after this change: [image: image.png] Paul Carter-Brown Director Jini Guru m: +27 (0) 83 442 7179 <+27834427179> a: 1st Floor, Golf House, Design Quarter, Cnr. William Nicol and Leslie Johannesburg, South Africa w: jini.guru

Re: Old Gen Full of Annotation Finder Index

. Paul Carter-Brown Director Jini Guru m: +27 (0) 83 442 7179 <+27834427179> a: 1st Floor, Golf House, Design Quarter, Cnr. William Nicol and Leslie Johannesburg, South Africa w: jini.guru e: p...@jini.guru Disclaimer: This message and/or attachment(s) may contain privileged, confid

Re: Old Gen Full of Annotation Finder Index

Hi Jon, Unfortunately the snapshot behaves exactly the same way Paul Carter-Brown Director Jini Guru m: +27 (0) 83 442 7179 <+27834427179> a: 1st Floor, Golf House, Design Quarter, Cnr. William Nicol and Leslie Johannesburg, South Africa w: jini.guru e: p...@jini.guru Disc

Old Gen Full of Annotation Finder Index

jar in /lib which does have EJB's in it and it seems to obey this property but it doesn't seem to mean that annotation processing is skipped for all these other jars in /lib Thanks! Paul Carter-Brown Director Jini Guru m: +27 (0) 83 442 7179 <+27834427179> a: 1st Floor, Golf House, Design Q

Re: Question on @Suspended AsyncResponse

} } } Paul On Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 1:23 AM David Jencks wrote: > IIUC this method is running inside the container managed transaction? > Does it send the response immediately if it’s not in a container managed > transaction? > > david jencks > > > On O

Question on @Suspended AsyncResponse

Hi, In this code sample, why is it that it takes 3s for the "OK" response to get back to the client. My expectation would be that the response would go back immediately? @Path("/abc") @Stateless public class BasicResource { @PersistenceContext() private EntityManager em; @GET

Re: Accessing Injected @RequestScoped objects from different threads

being used. Works for my use case. Paul Carter-Brown Director Jini Guru m: +27 (0) 83 442 7179 <+27834427179> a: 1st Floor, Golf House, Design Quarter, Cnr. William Nicol and Leslie Johannesburg, South Africa w: jini.guru e: p...@jini.guru Disclaimer: This message and/or attachment(s) may c

Re: Accessing Injected @RequestScoped objects from different threads

Hi Jon, I've created a basic example of the issue as attached. mvn install -Prun then: curl "http://localhost:8000/basic-service/basic/async?echo=111; Paul Carter-Brown Director Jini Guru m: +27 (0) 83 442 7179 <+27834427179> a: 1st Floor, Golf House, Design Quarter, Cnr. Wi

Re: Accessing Injected @RequestScoped objects from different threads

tribute("someVal"); ... java.lang.IllegalStateException: No CXF message usable for JAX-RS @Context injections in that thread so can't use interface javax.servlet.http.HttpServletRequest } ... } } Paul Carter-Brown Director Jini Guru m: +27 (0) 83 442 7179 <+27834427179> a: 1st Floor,

Accessing Injected @RequestScoped objects from different threads

a different instance on the different thread and this new instance has none of my eagerly loaded data in it. Does anyone know how to resolve this issue. Basically I want to somehow get step 6 to use the exact instance of UserContext as step 2 even though they are on different threads. Paul Carter

Re: Does TomEE 8.0.0 run on Java 11?

a normal deployment but our integration tests that use the > > tomee maven plugin use 2.7.3. > > > > Paul > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 10:31 PM Paul Carter-Brown > > wrote: > > > > > Thanks Jon > > > > > > Wor

Re: Does TomEE 8.0.0 run on Java 11?

Paul Carter-Brown wrote: > Thanks Jon > > Worked a charm. > > Paul > > > On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 9:17 PM Jonathan Gallimore < > jonathan.gallim...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Looks like the update to EclipseLink 2.7.4 I committed this morning fixes >> it

Re: Does TomEE 8.0.0 run on Java 11?

n lib directory for 2.7.4 and let us know how you get on? > > > https://repo1.maven.org/maven2/org/eclipse/persistence/eclipselink/2.7.4/eclipselink-2.7.4.jar > > Thanks > > Jon > > On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 4:57 PM Paul Carter-Brown > wrote: > > > Hi Jo

Re: Does TomEE 8.0.0 run on Java 11?

gt; Jon > > On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 9:44 PM Paul Carter-Brown > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Does tomEE 8.0.0 support OpenJDK 11? I've tried and get errors upon boot. > > Will elaborate if it is supposed to support java 11. > > > > Paul > > > Startin

Does TomEE 8.0.0 run on Java 11?

Hi, Does tomEE 8.0.0 support OpenJDK 11? I've tried and get errors upon boot. Will elaborate if it is supposed to support java 11. Paul

Re: Missing SNAPSHOT in Maven

Worked a treat. Thanks so much Jon Paul Carter-Brown Director Jini Guru m: +27 (0) 83 442 7179 <+27834427179> a: 1st Floor, Golf House, Design Quarter, Cnr. William Nicol and Leslie Johannesburg, South Africa w: jini.guru e: p...@jini.guru Disclaimer: This message and/or attachment(

Missing SNAPSHOT in Maven

-maven-plugin:8.0.0-M3 or one of its dependencies could not be resolved: Failure to find org.apache.tomee.patch:bval-jsr:jar:2.0.2-69c36fa8-1 in https://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2 I think this snapshot build for bval is missing in apache maven repo Paul Carter-Brown Director Jini Guru m: +27 (0) 83

Re: Initiating httpservletrequest from inside Tomcat / TomEE

appropriate context for the request to tomcat. I don't know off hand > where in the tomcat code this cut point can be found. > > Is this a performance issue, or are you building a proxy? > > What is the problem you're trying to solve? > > On 5/6/19, Paul Carter-Brown wrote: &g

Re: Initiating httpservletrequest from inside Tomcat / TomEE

ote: > For reference, I did find this after searching "calling a servlet > programmatically": > https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19146-01/819-2634/abxbn/index.html > > On 5/6/19, Paul Carter-Brown wrote: > > I think we are completely missing each other. Forget sockets - t

Re: Initiating httpservletrequest from inside Tomcat / TomEE

that without going out and back in on TCP? On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 5:14 PM John Dale wrote: > Sockets are an implementation of TCP/UDP inherently. > > Perhaps a mountaintop signal fire? > > ;) > > John > > > On 5/6/19, Paul Carter-Brown wrote: > > lol on the Sema

Re: Initiating httpservletrequest from inside Tomcat / TomEE

t; If these don't work-out for you, rather than using .NET, PHP, Python, > or some other Java facsimile at best, I recommend using the semaphore > telegraph: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semaphore_telegraph > > Sincerely, > > John > DB2DOM > > On 5/6/19,

Re: Initiating httpservletrequest from inside Tomcat / TomEE

ing, but without > knowing more about the tools you're using, I can't say for sure if > this is the direction you'll want to go. > > On 4/29/19, Paul Carter-Brown wrote: > > Hi > > > > I'm trying to design a Kafka consumer and producer that will run inside > the >

Initiating httpservletrequest from inside Tomcat / TomEE

Hi I'm trying to design a Kafka consumer and producer that will run inside the tomcat jvm and pick up messages off a Kafka topic and translate them into a servlet request and pass it through tomcat and then when the response is complete then translate it into a Kafka message and put it onto

JsonB Adapter Not Being Used

); } @Override public Jsonb getContext(Class type) { return jsonb; } } Paul Carter-Brown Director Jini Guru m: +27 (0) 83 442 7179 <+27834427179> a: 1st Floor, Golf House, Design Quarter, Cnr. William Nicol and Leslie Johannesburg, South Africa w: jini.gur

Re: Johnzon Threads Locking up marshalling from String to Object

ck below > > guru.jini.arch.impl.json.JsonImpl.toList/toObject? > > > > Thanks > > > > Jon > > > > On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 11:59 PM Paul Carter-Brown > > wrote: > > > >> Hi Daniel, > >> > >> For the life of me I canno

Re: Johnzon Threads Locking up marshalling from String to Object

Hi Daniel, For the life of me I cannot recreate the issue in a simple project with a WAR. My project is an EAR with multiple WARS. I will continue trying but in the meantime wondered if anyone has any clues where to look? Paul Carter-Brown Director Jini Guru m: +27 (0) 83 442 7179 <+27834427

Johnzon Threads Locking up marshalling from String to Object

(method.getModifiers()); } }) .withAdapters(new ZonedDateTimeAdapter()); jsonb = JsonbBuilder.newBuilder().withConfig(config).build(); Paul Carter-Brown Director Jini Guru m: +27 (0) 83 442 7179 <+27834427179> a: 1st Floor, Golf House, Design Quarter, Cnr

Re: java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/apache/johnzon/jaxrs/jsonb/jaxrs/JsonbJaxrsProvider

n and keep up the excellent work! Paul Carter-Brown Director Jini Guru m: +27 (0) 83 442 7179 <+27834427179> a: 1st Floor, Golf House, Design Quarter, Cnr. William Nicol and Leslie Johannesburg, South Africa w: jini.guru e: p...@jini.guru Disclaimer: This message and/or attachmen

Re: java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/apache/johnzon/jaxrs/jsonb/jaxrs/JsonbJaxrsProvider

Yip false alarm. In 7.0.4 I had my own version of Johnzon libs that handled binding of Java 8 dates/times. For 8.0.0 I changed my docker script to no longer add these but forgot to remove the step where I deleted all johnson libs from tomee/libs ;-( Paul Carter-Brown Director Jini Guru m: +27 (0

Re: java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/apache/johnzon/jaxrs/jsonb/jaxrs/JsonbJaxrsProvider

Sorry, please ignore this. My bad. Paul Carter-Brown Director Jini Guru m: +27 (0) 83 442 7179 <+27834427179> a: 1st Floor, Golf House, Design Quarter, Cnr. William Nicol and Leslie Johannesburg, South Africa w: jini.guru e: p...@jini.guru Disclaimer: This message and/or attachment(

Re: JtaEntityManager GC

What is your xmx setting and did you force a gc prior to taking the heap dump? On your db have you checked if there are any long running transactions On 7 Feb 2018 5:44 pm, "cocorossello" wrote: > Hi, > > We are having some memory problems in our applications. We are

Re: NameAlreadyBoundException when deploying as EAR

Try adding this to your setenv.sh or changes system.properties accordingly: -Dopenejb.deploymentId.format={appId}/{ejbJarId}/{ejbName} -Dopenejb.wsAddress.format={ejbName} That will make your deployement Id's for EJB's include the app/jar names and won't impact any web service endpoints you may

Re: How can we use a Johnzon version more recent than TomEE’s, delivered in our WARs, to run JAX-RS services ?”

nstead of its jars? > > Best regards, > Alexandre > > > 2017-11-29 13:08 GMT+01:00 Paul Carter-Brown > <paul.carter-br...@opposablethumbs.io>: > > The 3 Johnzon jars sit in tomee/lib/ directory. You can delete the old > ones > > and copy in the new ones built f

Re: How can we use a Johnzon version more recent than TomEE’s, delivered in our WARs, to run JAX-RS services ?”

The 3 Johnzon jars sit in tomee/lib/ directory. You can delete the old ones and copy in the new ones built from source. Works for me. On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 1:32 PM, Alex The Rocker wrote: > Hello, > > While upgrading one of our webapp from TomEE+ 1.7 to TomEE+ 7, we hit

Re: Adding a new datasource during runtime?

ill need a Router and dynamic datasources. > This > >> is also working very well in my tests. > >> > >> We will have hundreds of datasources and a restart to add a new one is > not > >> efficient enough. > >> > >> - Can we centralize the resour

Re: Location of persistence.xml

Romain Manni-Bucau > @rmannibucau | Blog | Old Blog | Github | LinkedIn > > > 2017-11-08 17:51 GMT+01:00 Paul Carter-Brown <paul.carter-brown@smilecoms. > com>: > > Hi, > > > > I have a war packaged in an ear. > > > > In the war I have a persistence,xm

Re: SQL insert taking too much time in TomEE-7.0.1

Hi , Steve, I think what Andy is saying is that your results are mainly looking at the overhead of the library itself (you are persisting to an in-memory DB). In real world apps the overhead of the persistence library layer compared to end-to-end latency of network, DB, logic etc etc would make

Re: Registering Mapper in Johnzon

Ok. I'll work on that in the week On 14 October 2017 at 16:47, Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibu...@gmail.com> wrote: > we should move all jsonb adapter in mapper module > > Romain Manni-Bucau > @rmannibucau | Blog | Old Blog | Github | LinkedIn > > > 2017-10-14 16:46

Re: Registering Mapper in Johnzon

ucau > @rmannibucau | Blog | Old Blog | Github | LinkedIn > > > 2017-10-14 16:09 GMT+02:00 Paul Carter-Brown > <paul.carter-br...@opposablethumbs.io>: > > Hi Romain, > > > > Any way we can allow it to happily parse boih long and short ISO 8601 >

Re: Registering Mapper in Johnzon

> > A small side note: we can probably not break the java.util.Date > formatter which uses short iso8061 pattern instead of the long one. > > Romain Manni-Bucau > @rmannibucau | Blog | Old Blog | Github | LinkedIn > > > 2017-10-14 15:10 GMT+02:00 Paul Carter-Brown <

Re: Registering Mapper in Johnzon

ub | LinkedIn > > > 2017-10-14 10:39 GMT+02:00 Paul Carter-Brown <paul.carter-brown@smilecoms. > com>: > > Yea bit of a false positive I'm afraid. I ended up getting it to be used > in > > a manual mapping operation and saw it was being called but unfortunately >

Re: Registering Mapper in Johnzon

axb models -> > https://github.com/highsource/jaxb2-annotate-plugin . > > Romain Manni-Bucau > @rmannibucau | Blog | Old Blog | Github | LinkedIn > > > 2017-10-14 10:08 GMT+02:00 Paul Carter-Brown <paul.carter-brown@smilecoms. > com>: > > Hi Romain, > > > &g

Re: Registering Mapper in Johnzon

Hi Romain, I managed to get it to work by calling new MapperBuilder().addAdapter(new JavascriptDate()).build(); far earlier in the bootup process. On 14 October 2017 at 09:40, Paul Carter-Brown < paul.carter-br...@smilecoms.com> wrote: > Hi Romain, > > The model is generated

Re: Registering Mapper in Johnzon

@JohnzonConverter too? > > Tomee uses an old johnzon too so can need some enhancements from master. > > Le 14 oct. 2017 03:10, "Paul Carter-Brown" <paul.carter-brown@smilecoms. > com> > a écrit : > > > Hi, > > > > I've created an adapter as fol

Registering Mapper in Johnzon

Hi, I've created an adapter as follows: public class JavascriptDate implements Adapter { @Override public String to(Instant instance) { final Calendar cal = GregorianCalendar.getInstance(); cal.setTime(Date.from(instance)); return

Re: DefaultManagedExecutorService lookup in JNDI

> Andy Gumbrecht > > http://www.tomitribe.com > agumbre...@tomitribe.com > https://twitter.com/AndyGeeDe > > TomEE treibt Tomitribe ! | http://tomee.apache.org > -- > Sent from: http://tomee-openejb.979440.n4.nabble.com/TomEE-Users- > f979441.html

DefaultManagedExecutorService lookup in JNDI

Hi, According to EE7 spec I should be able to do the following: try { new InitialContext().lookup("java:comp/DefaultManagedExecutorService"); } catch (NamingException e) { log.warn("Error:", e); } In TomEE 7.0.4 I get a NamingException:

Re: @PostConstruct called twice on @javax.inject.Singleton

-Bucau <rmannibu...@gmail.com> wrote: > Le 10 oct. 2017 14:26, "Paul Carter-Brown" <paul.carter-brown@smilecoms. > com> > a écrit : > > Hi, > > I've used @ApplicationScoped and @javax.inject.Singleton and both have the > same behaviour. Seem

Re: @PostConstruct called twice on @javax.inject.Singleton

research now... On 10 October 2017 at 15:18, Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibu...@gmail.com> wrote: > But with skinny wars you still get it in the webapp loader and lib part > right ? It is not about physical model but resolved one. > > Le 10 oct. 2017 14:11, "Paul Carter-Brown"

Re: @PostConstruct called twice on @javax.inject.Singleton

as intended - as thought I mean. > > Side note: you surely meant @ApplicationScoped more than singleton. > > > Le 10 oct. 2017 13:44, "Paul Carter-Brown" <paul.carter-brown@smilecoms. > com> > a écrit : > > > Hi Romain, > > > > As a non-stati

Re: @PostConstruct called twice on @javax.inject.Singleton

) at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:748) Let me know if you would prefer me to put any further findings on this forum or on the ticket. Paul On 10 October 2017 at 13:15, Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibu...@gmail.com> wrote: > And removing the static? > > Le 10 oct. 2017 11:45, &qu

Re: @PostConstruct called twice on @javax.inject.Singleton

on? > > Maybe javax.ejb.Singleton? > > /hw > > ti., 10.10.2017 kl. 08.34 +0200, skrev Paul Carter-Brown: > > Hi, > > > > Loaded on github and created ticket: > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TOMEE-2134 > > > > On 10 October 201

Re: @PostConstruct called twice on @javax.inject.Singleton

fety first, and benefit second, please create a > > ticket here: https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/TOMEE > > > > Rather than attaching a ZIP here, please consider creating a GitHub > > project and sharing it in the ticket. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Andy. > >

Re: Servlet & CDI Context Propogation

github.com/ > rmannibucau> | > LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau> | JavaEE Factory > <https://javaeefactory-rmannibucau.rhcloud.com> > > 2017-09-10 12:13 GMT+02:00 Paul Carter-Brown < > paul.carter-br...@smilecoms.com>: > > > I worked out t

Re: how con figure the datasource into tomee.xml using docker?

gt; So i ask: how i can ads the configuration of darasource into the tomee.xml? > I can pit a new tomee.xml using option -v of docker volume . But in this > case i have to erase the already preaent tomee.xml downloaded into the > image ? > > I hope i explained my problem.

Re: how con figure the datasource into tomee.xml using docker?

And remember to copy Mysql driver jar into tomee/lib On 4 September 2017 at 15:08, Paul Carter-Brown < paul.carter-br...@smilecoms.com> wrote: > Assuming you are using JPA, here is an example of a JTA persistence.xml in > your war/ear WEB-INF or META-INF: > > > http:

Re: how con figure the datasource into tomee.xml using docker?

t; datasource mysql? > > Please do you have a exampke of use tomee and mysql and con figure the > datasource using docker? > > Tank you in Advance > MAURO > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://tomee-openejb.979440.n4.nabble.com/TomEE-Users- > f979441.html >

Re: JTA Commit Timing

ps://www.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau> | JavaEE Factory > <https://javaeefactory-rmannibucau.rhcloud.com> > > 2017-05-03 15:13 GMT+02:00 Paul Carter-Brown < > paul.carter-br...@smilecoms.com>: > > > Sorry Romain, not sure what you mean? > > > > On 3 May 2017 at

Re: JTA Commit Timing

tory > <https://javaeefactory-rmannibucau.rhcloud.com> > > 2017-05-02 23:15 GMT+02:00 Paul Carter-Brown < > paul.carter-br...@smilecoms.com>: > > > Hi, > > > > I'm not that familiar with HSQL so maybe my test case is confusing the > > issue and n

Re: JTA Commit Timing

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Re: JTA Commit Timing

witching and use of completable futures Any ideas what's going on? Paul On 27 April 2017 at 10:39, Paul Carter-Brown < paul.carter-br...@smilecoms.com> wrote: > For sure. I will start by pulling openejb source and digging in for > possible causes. A few log lines here and there and im s

Re: JTA Commit Timing

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Re: JTA Commit Timing

No. Autocommit is off Paul Sent from my phone. Message may be brief and contain typos. On 27 Apr 2017 12:47 a.m., "Romain Manni-Bucau" <rmannibu...@gmail.com> wrote: > Are you in autocommit mode? > > Le 26 avr. 2017 22:37, "Paul Carter-Brown" <paul.ca

Re: JTA Commit Timing

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Re: JTA Commit Timing

return true; } ... Any thoughts? Paul On 26 April 2017 at 13:50, Paul Carter-Brown < paul.carter-br...@smilecoms.com> wrote: > Thought so. Let me try and create a reproducable test case and let you > know what i find > > Paul > > Sent from my phone. Message may

Re: JTA Commit Timing

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JTA Commit Timing

Hi I have a call flow as follows in tomee: 1. Client calls jaxws service that adds a row into mysql table. EJB is using JTA with eclipselink JPA entity bean. Seevice returns the primary key of the row just added. 2. Client uses returned soap message that contains the primary key and calls a

Re: Configuring CXF FaultListener in TomEE

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Configuring CXF FaultListener in TomEE

Hi, Currently, my log files are full of warnings from org.apache.cxf.phase. PhaseInterceptorChain.doDefaultLogging whenever my JAX-WS services return with a SOAP Fault (even though its an application level fault defined in the WSDL). This means I get stack traces and dirty logs whenever a SOAP