Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?

2009-07-03 Thread Peter Ertl
looks nice, but no support for postgresql :-( Am 02.07.2009 um 21:54 schrieb John Armstrong: Since we are plugging our favorite DB tools I swear by Database Workbench Pro (http://www.upscene.com/). The author is extremely responsive (he'll give you a custom build, usually in 48 hours, when

Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?

2009-07-02 Thread Richard Allen
Now that Oracle bought Sun I wonder if JDev and Netbeans will cross paths. A great free, cross-platform SQL tool is SQuirreL ( http://squirrel-sql.sourceforge.net/). On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 4:45 PM, Scott Swank scott.sw...@gmail.com wrote: I'm at best 50% DBA, by training. You end up with

Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?

2009-07-02 Thread John Armstrong
Since we are plugging our favorite DB tools I swear by Database Workbench Pro (http://www.upscene.com/). The author is extremely responsive (he'll give you a custom build, usually in 48 hours, when you find a bug), it supports a nice variety of databases and has some killer tools like

Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?

2009-06-20 Thread Scott Swank
And if you're an Oracle DBA your main tool is called SQL Plus. On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 8:58 PM, James Carmanjcar...@carmanconsulting.com wrote: +1 to sqldeveloper (java or native).  For developers (not DBAs), it's a very nice tool and does what you need for the majority of the cases. On Fri,

Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?

2009-06-20 Thread James Carman
As a DBA, you use SQL Plus? I would think most DBAs would either use the console thingy that comes with Oracle or Toad. SQL Plus always seemed a bit limiting to me, but that's probably because of my limited knowledge of all the commands, so I need the nice GUI stuff to guide me along. :) On

Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?

2009-06-20 Thread Scott Swank
I'm at best 50% DBA, by training. You end up with multi-step operations that work very well as sql*plus scripts. I also run analogous queries in TOAD, PL/SQL Dev or SQL Dev -- but no DBA worth hiring works in the click-and-drag world. But then I suppose this has gotten off topic. On Sat, Jun

Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?

2009-06-19 Thread James Carman
Absolutely not.  I don't know that I've even heard anyone say they're using it.  It's funny how management thinks they can make these sort of decisions for developers. I'd say stick with one of the top three (in my opinion), in this order: 1. IntelliJ IDEA 2. Eclipse 3. Netbeans On Thu, Jun

Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?

2009-06-19 Thread Martijn Reuvers
When you use ADF, then stick to JDeveloper you'll get a lot of integration for your application and can really build applications fast. However if you use open-source frameworks like wicket, you're better off using one of the other IDE's (Netbeans, Eclipse, IntelliJ). Just use maven or so, then

Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?

2009-06-19 Thread James Carman
+1 on using Maven.  Most folks at our job site use eclipse, but I'm an IntelliJ junkie (they got me hooked many years ago and I can't break free).  For the most part, we don't have issues between environments, provided folks have their plugins set up correctly. On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 6:39 AM,

Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?

2009-06-19 Thread Dane Laverty
I've really enjoyed getting to use Maven on my recent projects. I'm no Maven expert, but I'm finding that I don't have to be -- it really just does a great job. Getting Maven working with JDeveloper has not been going well so far, so that's been one hangup. There are a few reasons for the

Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?

2009-06-19 Thread Igor Vaynberg
dont you mean 1. Eclipse 2. IntelliJ IDEA 3. Netbeans :) -igor On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 3:25 AM, James Carmanjcar...@carmanconsulting.com wrote: Absolutely not.  I don't know that I've even heard anyone say they're using it.  It's funny how management thinks they can make these sort of

Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?

2009-06-19 Thread James Carman
I've always found that trying to do the UML thing just turns out to be more of a pain than it's worth. For me, it's just easier to code the stuff. You can generate UML from the code pretty easily (check out the yfiles Javadocs for an example that's generated using yworks' yDoc product). On Fri,

Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?

2009-06-19 Thread Igor Vaynberg
we found uml works great in the beginning of an iteration to represent high level architecture and processes to get everyone on the same page. after that we fill in the blanks in code. all this roundtripping into uml, etc, is insane imho. -igor On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 8:30 AM, James

Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?

2009-06-19 Thread Scott Swank
Dane, I have used JDev and it is not my preference for a Java IDE. That said, if you're having trouble with it your best resource is posting at forums.oracle.com. As for a PL/SQL IDE, why are you moving away from TOAD, the price ($600 if I remember right...)? The product PL/SQL Developer from

Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?

2009-06-19 Thread Martijn Reuvers
You might want to try Netbeans for UML (there is a single plugin, install it and it works fine). I have not had any problems with it, it has quite some features (similar to the ones in JDeveloper). Use SQLDeveloper (of Oracle as well) if you need to replace Toad, however keep in mind it does not

Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?

2009-06-19 Thread Dane Laverty
James Igor, It sounds like your experiences with UML are about what I am expecting it to be like. Scott, the move to drop other programs in favor of JDeveloper is partly about cost-cutting, but more so about standardization. As I've mentioned, I'm the only Java programmer on staff, and I think

Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?

2009-06-19 Thread Nicolas Melendez
god used Eclipse 1.0 to develop universe. NM Software Developer - Buenos aires, Argentina. On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Martijn Reuvers martijn.reuv...@gmail.comwrote: You might want to try Netbeans for UML (there is a single plugin, install it and it works fine). I have not had any

Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?

2009-06-19 Thread Martijn Reuvers
JDev is not a bad IDE actually. If you want a lot of ready to use integrated functionality then its by far better than any of the earlier mentioned IDE's (especially if you use e.g. bc4j, soa, adf etc) - this is true as long as you need the oracle taste that is. For pure java programming the

Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?

2009-06-19 Thread Bruno Ledesma
God tryed Netbeans. And now we have Argentina! heheheeh just a little brazillian joke! Someone has posted and i agree. Thas not a manager decision. Developer should ask the manager why he is taking that decision, and show the benefits of using another IDE. After all, the developers will use the

Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?

2009-06-19 Thread Juan Carlos Garcia M.
I always thought God used only in LISP :) Nicolas Melendez wrote: god used Eclipse 1.0 to develop universe. NM Software Developer - Buenos aires, Argentina. On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Martijn Reuvers martijn.reuv...@gmail.comwrote: You might want to try Netbeans for UML

Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?

2009-06-19 Thread Daniel Toffetti
Juan Carlos Garcia M. jcgarciam at gmail.com writes: I always thought God used only in LISP :) Nicolas Melendez wrote: god used Eclipse 1.0 to develop universe. NM Software Developer - Buenos aires, Argentina. No. Sadly, He didn't: http://xkcd.com/224/ Daniel

Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?

2009-06-19 Thread Vasu Srinivasan
JDeveloper is good to target a narrow Oracle infrastructure. We use it for Oracle soa suite, and there are no other IDEs / plugins which can match that, it has good integration for ADF too. And thats pretty much it. Otherwise, it doesn't come half close to IDEA or Eclipse. The project structure

Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?

2009-06-19 Thread James Carman
+1 to sqldeveloper (java or native). For developers (not DBAs), it's a very nice tool and does what you need for the majority of the cases. On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Vasu Srinivasan vasy...@gmail.com wrote: JDeveloper is good to target a narrow Oracle infrastructure. We use it for

Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?

2009-06-18 Thread Nick Heudecker
JDeveloper? *crickets* :) -- Nick Heudecker Professional Wicket Training Consulting http://www.systemmobile.com

Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?

2009-06-18 Thread Ryan Gravener
http://instantcrickets.com Ryan Gravener http://bit.ly/no_word_docs On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Nick Heudecker nheudec...@gmail.comwrote: JDeveloper? *crickets* :) -- Nick Heudecker Professional Wicket Training Consulting http://www.systemmobile.com