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From: Altuğ B. Altıntaş [mailto:alt...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 2:51 PM
To: users@wicket.apache.org
Subject: Re: Tag Oriented Development
Agreed
2009/12/25 b...@actrix.gen.nz
JSF == Standard?
My question is: What should become a standard?
When I
Agreed
2009/12/25 b...@actrix.gen.nz
JSF == Standard?
My question is: What should become a standard?
When I think about standards, then things that come to mind are:
- SQL
- ODBC
- Java
- JDBC
- EJB
- JPA
but not JSF. And not Spring. And not ... - you name it.
For some reason,
. Altıntaş [mailto:alt...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 2:51 PM
To: users@wicket.apache.org
Subject: Re: Tag Oriented Development
Agreed
2009/12/25 b...@actrix.gen.nz
JSF == Standard?
My question is: What should become a standard?
When I think about standards, then things
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 7:59 PM, Altuğ B. Altıntaş alt...@gmail.com wrote:
In business, decision makers choose standards
Maybe obig conservative corporations. On the other hand, there are
plenty of examples of companies that were able to have an edge over
competition by choosing languages and
JSF == Standard?
My question is: What should become a standard?
When I think about standards, then things that come to mind are:
- SQL
- ODBC
- Java
- JDBC
- EJB
- JPA
but not JSF. And not Spring. And not ... - you name it.
For some reason, possibly due to the fast evolving nature of the web,
In my opinion, this is exactly the mistake of JSF. (and struts/jsp, etc).
They keep putting logic (in the form of tags) in the markup.
How long will it take until people understand that markup/xml is NOT a
programming language?
You have to seperate logic and markup. You cannot mix them.
Also JSF
I know JSF is standard; what is your idea about current JSF
status?
Just forget about it ... ;)
Agreed!
JSF is way too complex for doing simple things. They -again- forgot
the
KISS principle (Keep it Simple Straightforward/Stupid).
Wicket (but also Tapestry) is in my opinion a giant
Could'nt one petition a JSR for wicket? :)
-regards Nino
2009/12/22 Chris Colman chr...@stepaheadsoftware.com:
I know JSF is standard; what is your idea about current JSF
status?
Just forget about it ... ;)
Agreed!
JSF is way too complex for doing simple things. They -again- forgot
IMHO the keys fo JSF success are:
-They sell it as a standard with companies backing it up. It doesn't matter
if it is an over complicated model and that you need things like JBoss Seam
to fix it. On many companies decisions are taken by pointy haired bosses...
and they like to hear to the words
I love Wicket and the natural approach it offers to do web-development...
and I have been pushing hard to use it whenever possible... but on the
real world it is not enough to be an excellent product to gain
wide acceptance... Does last sentence ring a bell?
I think we've gained pretty wide
Hi Eelco,
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Eelco Hillenius eelco.hillen...@gmail.com
wrote:
I love Wicket and the natural approach it offers to do web-development...
and I have been pushing hard to use it whenever possible... but on the
real world it is not enough to be an excellent
I agree with you.
I think becoming a JSR also adds lots of friction to development.
2009/12/22 nino martinez wael nino.martinez.w...@gmail.com
Could'nt one petition a JSR for wicket? :)
-regards Nino
2009/12/22 Chris Colman chr...@stepaheadsoftware.com:
I know JSF is standard; what is
I just love advocating wicket into large corporations... :)
What are you going to do about the open bugs? And they say that
wicket's generics implementation is highly experimental, that doesn't
sound very trustworthy, does it?
But eventually we succeed.
Articles like the following are very
Once it reaches
that point there is no turning back because to change would be to admit
they weren't perfect at some point in the past
I wouldn't say that. If you have a look to the EJB1 en EJB2 api/spec, they
differ 90% from EJB3. At least with EJB they really saw that the initial
design was not
@Tomas, @Martin,
I already knew those links... Thanks anyway. Actually I went a bit further
an implemented the same application on different technologies so that
developers could evaluate for themselves the wonders of downsides of each
technology... plus detailed explanations of how the code
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Ernesto Reinaldo Barreiro
reier...@gmail.com wrote:
@Tomas, @Martin,
I already knew those links... Thanks anyway. Actually I went a bit further
an implemented the same application on different technologies so that
developers could evaluate for themselves the
But the problem is those who will take the final decision will take
into account more political reasons ...
Political?! You mean boneless ok, nobody ever got fired for
choosing IBM. But IBM is on board too:
- http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/web/library/wa-aj-wicket/index.html
-
In business, decision makers choose standards and JSF is standard so JSF is
good and JSF is the King. But couldn't be The King Is Naked ??
OR
Am i wrong ? JSF is really cool and i don't know the hidden features ??
I don't want to start framework wars, this is useless but I think Wicket
should
The best april fools jokes are those that still fool fools, even 4
years after...
Martijn
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Martin Makundi
martin.maku...@koodaripalvelut.com wrote:
But the problem is those who will take the final decision will take
into account more political reasons ...
Named boneless if you want;-) The fact is that things like support and
big names
Second link was of a joke , wasn't it?
Best,
Ernesto
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Martin Makundi
martin.maku...@koodaripalvelut.com wrote:
But the problem is those who will take the final decision will
JSF is just open source. Wicket is open source too.
Second link was of a joke , wasn't it?
IBM is giving courses in Wicket, so it must be true:
http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/edu/os-dw-os-ag-wicket.html
I just whish IBM had a bigger brand name.. only three letters.
**
Martin
2009/12/22
*; such as Richfaces, Icefaces
and Primefaces.
When i compare Wicket with JSF libs, i realized that JSF goes to Tag
oriented development
Am i right ? so Wicket is great for everyone who knows and want to use
Object Oriented.
I know JSF is standard; what is your idea about current JSF status?
Thanks.
--
Altuğ.
I know JSF is standard; what is your idea about current JSF status?
Just forget about it ... ;)
**
Martin
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