Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?
looks nice, but no support for postgresql :-( Am 02.07.2009 um 21:54 schrieb John Armstrong: Since we are plugging our favorite DB tools I swear by Database Workbench Pro (http://www.upscene.com/). The author is extremely responsive (he'll give you a custom build, usually in 48 hours, when you find a bug), it supports a nice variety of databases and has some killer tools like cross-database data migration, schema migration, schema differentiation, ERD generation etc etc. Check it out, well worth the money but Windows only so I find myself in VMWare with it these days. John- On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 4:55 AM, Richard Allen> wrote: Now that Oracle bought Sun I wonder if JDev and Netbeans will cross paths. A great free, cross-platform SQL tool is SQuirreL ( http://squirrel-sql.sourceforge.net/). On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 4:45 PM, Scott Swank wrote: I'm at best 50% DBA, by training. You end up with multi-step operations that work very well as sql*plus scripts. I also run analogous queries in TOAD, PL/SQL Dev or SQL Dev -- but no DBA worth hiring works in the click-and-drag world. But then I suppose this has gotten off topic. On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 10:37 AM, James Carman wrote: As a DBA, you use SQL Plus? I would think most DBAs would either use the console thingy that comes with Oracle or Toad. SQL Plus always seemed a bit limiting to me, but that's probably because of my limited knowledge of all the commands, so I need the nice GUI stuff to guide me along. :) On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Scott Swank wrote: And if you're an Oracle DBA your main tool is called "SQL Plus". On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 8:58 PM, James Carman wrote: +1 to sqldeveloper (java or native). For developers (not DBAs), it's a very nice tool and does what you need for the majority of the cases. On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Vasu Srinivasan > wrote: JDeveloper is good to target a narrow Oracle infrastructure. We use it for Oracle soa suite, and there are no other IDEs / plugins which can match that, it has good integration for ADF too. And thats pretty much it. Otherwise, it doesn't come half close to IDEA or Eclipse. The project structure it generates is pretty un-intuitive. Bad IDE is indirectly proportional to Productivity. Lack of good plugins is another major reason. Our team has only a few licenses for TOAD, so I use sql developer (the windows native version, not the java version).. Pretty happy with it, though it gets a bit slow at times. Last I used the java version was buggy and low. On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Daniel Toffetti < dto...@yahoo.com.ar wrote: Juan Carlos Garcia M. gmail.com> writes: I always thought God used only in LISP :) Nicolas Melendez wrote: god used Eclipse 1.0 to develop universe. NM Software Developer - Buenos aires, Argentina. No. Sadly, He didn't: http://xkcd.com/224/ Daniel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org -- Regards, Vasu Srinivasan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?
Since we are plugging our favorite DB tools I swear by Database Workbench Pro (http://www.upscene.com/). The author is extremely responsive (he'll give you a custom build, usually in 48 hours, when you find a bug), it supports a nice variety of databases and has some killer tools like cross-database data migration, schema migration, schema differentiation, ERD generation etc etc. Check it out, well worth the money but Windows only so I find myself in VMWare with it these days. John- On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 4:55 AM, Richard Allen wrote: > Now that Oracle bought Sun I wonder if JDev and Netbeans will cross paths. > > A great free, cross-platform SQL tool is SQuirreL ( > http://squirrel-sql.sourceforge.net/). > > > On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 4:45 PM, Scott Swank wrote: > >> I'm at best 50% DBA, by training. You end up with multi-step >> operations that work very well as sql*plus scripts. I also run >> analogous queries in TOAD, PL/SQL Dev or SQL Dev -- but no DBA worth >> hiring works in the click-and-drag world. But then I suppose this has >> gotten off topic. >> >> On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 10:37 AM, James >> Carman wrote: >> > As a DBA, you use SQL Plus? I would think most DBAs would either use the >> > console thingy that comes with Oracle or Toad. SQL Plus always seemed a >> bit >> > limiting to me, but that's probably because of my limited knowledge of >> all >> > the commands, so I need the nice GUI stuff to guide me along. :) >> > >> > On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Scott Swank >> wrote: >> > >> >> And if you're an Oracle DBA your main tool is called "SQL Plus". >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 8:58 PM, James >> >> Carman wrote: >> >> > +1 to sqldeveloper (java or native). For developers (not DBAs), it's >> a >> >> very >> >> > nice tool and does what you need for the majority of the cases. >> >> > >> >> > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Vasu Srinivasan >> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> JDeveloper is good to target a narrow Oracle infrastructure. We use >> it >> >> for >> >> >> Oracle soa suite, and there are no other IDEs / plugins which can >> match >> >> >> that, it has good integration for ADF too. And thats pretty much it. >> >> >> >> >> >> Otherwise, it doesn't come half close to IDEA or Eclipse. The project >> >> >> structure it generates is pretty un-intuitive. Bad IDE is indirectly >> >> >> proportional to Productivity. Lack of good plugins is another major >> >> reason. >> >> >> >> >> >> Our team has only a few licenses for TOAD, so I use sql developer >> (the >> >> >> windows native version, not the java version).. Pretty happy with it, >> >> >> though >> >> >> it gets a bit slow at times. Last I used the java version was buggy >> and >> >> >> low. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Daniel Toffetti < >> dto...@yahoo.com.ar >> >> >> >wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > Juan Carlos Garcia M. gmail.com> writes: >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > I always thought God used only in LISP :) >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > Nicolas Melendez wrote: >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > god used Eclipse 1.0 to develop universe. >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > NM >> >> >> > > > Software Developer - Buenos aires, Argentina. >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > No. Sadly, He didn't: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > http://xkcd.com/224/ >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Daniel >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> - >> >> >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org >> >> >> > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> Vasu Srinivasan >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> - >> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org >> >> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org >> >> > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?
Now that Oracle bought Sun I wonder if JDev and Netbeans will cross paths. A great free, cross-platform SQL tool is SQuirreL ( http://squirrel-sql.sourceforge.net/). On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 4:45 PM, Scott Swank wrote: > I'm at best 50% DBA, by training. You end up with multi-step > operations that work very well as sql*plus scripts. I also run > analogous queries in TOAD, PL/SQL Dev or SQL Dev -- but no DBA worth > hiring works in the click-and-drag world. But then I suppose this has > gotten off topic. > > On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 10:37 AM, James > Carman wrote: > > As a DBA, you use SQL Plus? I would think most DBAs would either use the > > console thingy that comes with Oracle or Toad. SQL Plus always seemed a > bit > > limiting to me, but that's probably because of my limited knowledge of > all > > the commands, so I need the nice GUI stuff to guide me along. :) > > > > On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Scott Swank > wrote: > > > >> And if you're an Oracle DBA your main tool is called "SQL Plus". > >> > >> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 8:58 PM, James > >> Carman wrote: > >> > +1 to sqldeveloper (java or native). For developers (not DBAs), it's > a > >> very > >> > nice tool and does what you need for the majority of the cases. > >> > > >> > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Vasu Srinivasan > >> wrote: > >> > > >> >> JDeveloper is good to target a narrow Oracle infrastructure. We use > it > >> for > >> >> Oracle soa suite, and there are no other IDEs / plugins which can > match > >> >> that, it has good integration for ADF too. And thats pretty much it. > >> >> > >> >> Otherwise, it doesn't come half close to IDEA or Eclipse. The project > >> >> structure it generates is pretty un-intuitive. Bad IDE is indirectly > >> >> proportional to Productivity. Lack of good plugins is another major > >> reason. > >> >> > >> >> Our team has only a few licenses for TOAD, so I use sql developer > (the > >> >> windows native version, not the java version).. Pretty happy with it, > >> >> though > >> >> it gets a bit slow at times. Last I used the java version was buggy > and > >> >> low. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Daniel Toffetti < > dto...@yahoo.com.ar > >> >> >wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > Juan Carlos Garcia M. gmail.com> writes: > >> >> > > > >> >> > > I always thought God used only in LISP :) > >> >> > > > >> >> > > Nicolas Melendez wrote: > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > god used Eclipse 1.0 to develop universe. > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > NM > >> >> > > > Software Developer - Buenos aires, Argentina. > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > No. Sadly, He didn't: > >> >> > > >> >> >http://xkcd.com/224/ > >> >> > > >> >> > Daniel > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > - > >> >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org > >> >> > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> Regards, > >> >> Vasu Srinivasan > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> - > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org > >> > >> > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org > >
Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?
I'm at best 50% DBA, by training. You end up with multi-step operations that work very well as sql*plus scripts. I also run analogous queries in TOAD, PL/SQL Dev or SQL Dev -- but no DBA worth hiring works in the click-and-drag world. But then I suppose this has gotten off topic. On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 10:37 AM, James Carman wrote: > As a DBA, you use SQL Plus? I would think most DBAs would either use the > console thingy that comes with Oracle or Toad. SQL Plus always seemed a bit > limiting to me, but that's probably because of my limited knowledge of all > the commands, so I need the nice GUI stuff to guide me along. :) > > On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Scott Swank wrote: > >> And if you're an Oracle DBA your main tool is called "SQL Plus". >> >> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 8:58 PM, James >> Carman wrote: >> > +1 to sqldeveloper (java or native). For developers (not DBAs), it's a >> very >> > nice tool and does what you need for the majority of the cases. >> > >> > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Vasu Srinivasan >> wrote: >> > >> >> JDeveloper is good to target a narrow Oracle infrastructure. We use it >> for >> >> Oracle soa suite, and there are no other IDEs / plugins which can match >> >> that, it has good integration for ADF too. And thats pretty much it. >> >> >> >> Otherwise, it doesn't come half close to IDEA or Eclipse. The project >> >> structure it generates is pretty un-intuitive. Bad IDE is indirectly >> >> proportional to Productivity. Lack of good plugins is another major >> reason. >> >> >> >> Our team has only a few licenses for TOAD, so I use sql developer (the >> >> windows native version, not the java version).. Pretty happy with it, >> >> though >> >> it gets a bit slow at times. Last I used the java version was buggy and >> >> low. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Daniel Toffetti > >> >wrote: >> >> >> >> > Juan Carlos Garcia M. gmail.com> writes: >> >> > > >> >> > > I always thought God used only in LISP :) >> >> > > >> >> > > Nicolas Melendez wrote: >> >> > > > >> >> > > > god used Eclipse 1.0 to develop universe. >> >> > > > >> >> > > > NM >> >> > > > Software Developer - Buenos aires, Argentina. >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > No. Sadly, He didn't: >> >> > >> >> > http://xkcd.com/224/ >> >> > >> >> > Daniel >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > - >> >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org >> >> > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Regards, >> >> Vasu Srinivasan >> >> >> > >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org >> >> > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?
As a DBA, you use SQL Plus? I would think most DBAs would either use the console thingy that comes with Oracle or Toad. SQL Plus always seemed a bit limiting to me, but that's probably because of my limited knowledge of all the commands, so I need the nice GUI stuff to guide me along. :) On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Scott Swank wrote: > And if you're an Oracle DBA your main tool is called "SQL Plus". > > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 8:58 PM, James > Carman wrote: > > +1 to sqldeveloper (java or native). For developers (not DBAs), it's a > very > > nice tool and does what you need for the majority of the cases. > > > > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Vasu Srinivasan > wrote: > > > >> JDeveloper is good to target a narrow Oracle infrastructure. We use it > for > >> Oracle soa suite, and there are no other IDEs / plugins which can match > >> that, it has good integration for ADF too. And thats pretty much it. > >> > >> Otherwise, it doesn't come half close to IDEA or Eclipse. The project > >> structure it generates is pretty un-intuitive. Bad IDE is indirectly > >> proportional to Productivity. Lack of good plugins is another major > reason. > >> > >> Our team has only a few licenses for TOAD, so I use sql developer (the > >> windows native version, not the java version).. Pretty happy with it, > >> though > >> it gets a bit slow at times. Last I used the java version was buggy and > >> low. > >> > >> > >> > >> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Daniel Toffetti >> >wrote: > >> > >> > Juan Carlos Garcia M. gmail.com> writes: > >> > > > >> > > I always thought God used only in LISP :) > >> > > > >> > > Nicolas Melendez wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > god used Eclipse 1.0 to develop universe. > >> > > > > >> > > > NM > >> > > > Software Developer - Buenos aires, Argentina. > >> > > > > >> > > >> > No. Sadly, He didn't: > >> > > >> >http://xkcd.com/224/ > >> > > >> > Daniel > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > - > >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org > >> > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Regards, > >> Vasu Srinivasan > >> > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org > >
Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?
And if you're an Oracle DBA your main tool is called "SQL Plus". On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 8:58 PM, James Carman wrote: > +1 to sqldeveloper (java or native). For developers (not DBAs), it's a very > nice tool and does what you need for the majority of the cases. > > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Vasu Srinivasan wrote: > >> JDeveloper is good to target a narrow Oracle infrastructure. We use it for >> Oracle soa suite, and there are no other IDEs / plugins which can match >> that, it has good integration for ADF too. And thats pretty much it. >> >> Otherwise, it doesn't come half close to IDEA or Eclipse. The project >> structure it generates is pretty un-intuitive. Bad IDE is indirectly >> proportional to Productivity. Lack of good plugins is another major reason. >> >> Our team has only a few licenses for TOAD, so I use sql developer (the >> windows native version, not the java version).. Pretty happy with it, >> though >> it gets a bit slow at times. Last I used the java version was buggy and >> low. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Daniel Toffetti > >wrote: >> >> > Juan Carlos Garcia M. gmail.com> writes: >> > > >> > > I always thought God used only in LISP :) >> > > >> > > Nicolas Melendez wrote: >> > > > >> > > > god used Eclipse 1.0 to develop universe. >> > > > >> > > > NM >> > > > Software Developer - Buenos aires, Argentina. >> > > > >> > >> > No. Sadly, He didn't: >> > >> > http://xkcd.com/224/ >> > >> > Daniel >> > >> > >> > >> > - >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org >> > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org >> > >> > >> >> >> -- >> Regards, >> Vasu Srinivasan >> > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?
+1 to sqldeveloper (java or native). For developers (not DBAs), it's a very nice tool and does what you need for the majority of the cases. On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Vasu Srinivasan wrote: > JDeveloper is good to target a narrow Oracle infrastructure. We use it for > Oracle soa suite, and there are no other IDEs / plugins which can match > that, it has good integration for ADF too. And thats pretty much it. > > Otherwise, it doesn't come half close to IDEA or Eclipse. The project > structure it generates is pretty un-intuitive. Bad IDE is indirectly > proportional to Productivity. Lack of good plugins is another major reason. > > Our team has only a few licenses for TOAD, so I use sql developer (the > windows native version, not the java version).. Pretty happy with it, > though > it gets a bit slow at times. Last I used the java version was buggy and > low. > > > > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Daniel Toffetti >wrote: > > > Juan Carlos Garcia M. gmail.com> writes: > > > > > > I always thought God used only in LISP :) > > > > > > Nicolas Melendez wrote: > > > > > > > > god used Eclipse 1.0 to develop universe. > > > > > > > > NM > > > > Software Developer - Buenos aires, Argentina. > > > > > > > > No. Sadly, He didn't: > > > >http://xkcd.com/224/ > > > > Daniel > > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org > > > > > > > -- > Regards, > Vasu Srinivasan >
Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?
JDeveloper is good to target a narrow Oracle infrastructure. We use it for Oracle soa suite, and there are no other IDEs / plugins which can match that, it has good integration for ADF too. And thats pretty much it. Otherwise, it doesn't come half close to IDEA or Eclipse. The project structure it generates is pretty un-intuitive. Bad IDE is indirectly proportional to Productivity. Lack of good plugins is another major reason. Our team has only a few licenses for TOAD, so I use sql developer (the windows native version, not the java version).. Pretty happy with it, though it gets a bit slow at times. Last I used the java version was buggy and low. On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Daniel Toffetti wrote: > Juan Carlos Garcia M. gmail.com> writes: > > > > I always thought God used only in LISP :) > > > > Nicolas Melendez wrote: > > > > > > god used Eclipse 1.0 to develop universe. > > > > > > NM > > > Software Developer - Buenos aires, Argentina. > > > > > No. Sadly, He didn't: > >http://xkcd.com/224/ > > Daniel > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org > > -- Regards, Vasu Srinivasan
Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?
Juan Carlos Garcia M. gmail.com> writes: > > I always thought God used only in LISP :) > > Nicolas Melendez wrote: > > > > god used Eclipse 1.0 to develop universe. > > > > NM > > Software Developer - Buenos aires, Argentina. > > No. Sadly, He didn't: http://xkcd.com/224/ Daniel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?
t;>> > that there is very little discussion about JDev. I'd be interested >> to >> >>> > know, are any of you currently using JDeveloper as your main Wicket >> >>> > IDE? >> >>> > >> >>> > >> - >> >>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org >> >>> > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> >> >>> - >> >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org >> >>> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org >> >>> >> >> >> >> - >> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org >> >> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org >> >> >> >> >> > >> > - >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org >> > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org >> > >> > >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org >> >> > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/JDeveloper---Can-I-get-a-show-of-hands--tp24102626p24119114.html Sent from the Wicket - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?
God tryed Netbeans. And now we have Argentina! heheheeh just a little brazillian joke! Someone has posted and i agree. Thas not a manager decision. Developer should ask the manager why he is taking that decision, and show the benefits of using another IDE. After all, the developers will use the IDE not the manager. Bruno Ledesma 2009/6/19 Martijn Reuvers > JDev is not a bad IDE actually. If you want a lot of ready to use > integrated functionality then its by far better than any of the > earlier mentioned IDE's (especially if you use e.g. bc4j, soa, adf > etc) - this is true as long as you need the oracle taste that is. > > For pure java programming the other IDE's are a lot more pleasant to > use (especially with non-oracle open-source frameworks like wicket, > spring, seam etc). I've done projects in both JDeveloper and the other > IDE's, and they all get the job done. :) And you're right I guess, for > non-java people JDeveloper is easier to start with I think... > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org > >
Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?
JDev is not a bad IDE actually. If you want a lot of ready to use integrated functionality then its by far better than any of the earlier mentioned IDE's (especially if you use e.g. bc4j, soa, adf etc) - this is true as long as you need the oracle taste that is. For pure java programming the other IDE's are a lot more pleasant to use (especially with non-oracle open-source frameworks like wicket, spring, seam etc). I've done projects in both JDeveloper and the other IDE's, and they all get the job done. :) And you're right I guess, for non-java people JDeveloper is easier to start with I think... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?
god used Eclipse 1.0 to develop universe. NM Software Developer - Buenos aires, Argentina. On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Martijn Reuvers wrote: > You might want to try Netbeans for UML (there is a single plugin, > install it and it works fine). I have not had any problems with it, it > has quite some features (similar to the ones in JDeveloper). > > Use SQLDeveloper (of Oracle as well) if you need to replace Toad, > however keep in mind it does not have all the dba features Toad > provides, no free tool has these in fact. > > Well Apex is Apex, it cannot be replaced easily as its tied so closely > to the oracle database and its pl/sql. > > As soon as you use Maven there is no need anymore for JDeveloper, at > least not for running/building the project. If you really require > specific features for instance for Apex you can still create a single > workspace next to the normal maven one and use that separately. > > As for weblogic, just deploy a war manually through its console if you > need to test it. However for faster testing I'd use Jetty with mvn > jetty:run (you can always add a weblogic*.xml to the final war to > override some libraries or so). > > > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Dane Laverty > wrote: > > I've really enjoyed getting to use Maven on my recent projects. I'm no > > Maven expert, but I'm finding that I don't have to be -- it really > > just does a great job. Getting Maven working with JDeveloper has not > > been going well so far, so that's been one hangup. > > > > There are a few reasons for the department-wide IDE mandate. Our > > manager has just discovered UML (I don't know anything about it, to be > > honest), and JDeveloper provides UML functionality out of the box, > > while any of the free Eclipse UML plugins I could find required a > > mountain of dependencies and don't appear to work as smoothly as the > > JDev one. Also, we're trying to replace TOAD as our database tool, and > > JDev looks like it can do that. The third reason is that most of our > > applications are Oracle ApEx, and JDev has stuff for that too. > > > > I'm trying to port my existing apps to JDeveloper, but without much > > success. The main problems so far are: > > - How do I import a Wicket project using the Maven standard directory > > layout? (I am aware of the Maven JDev plugin for JDev 10, but it has > > issues with JDev 11) > > - How do I run a Wicket app in JDeveloper using the internal WebLogic > server? > > - Does JDeveloper have some sort of Maven-like functionality for > > project lifecycle management? > > > > I imagine (hope) that most of these questions have easy answers, but > > I'm just not finding a lot of relevant online > > documentation/discussion. Most of the JDeveloper web app documentation > > is focused on EJBs or basic Servlet/JSP-based apps. > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 3:53 AM, James > > Carman wrote: > >> +1 on using Maven. Most folks at our job site use eclipse, but I'm an > >> IntelliJ junkie (they got me hooked many years ago and I can't break > >> free). For the most part, we don't have issues between environments, > >> provided folks have their plugins set up correctly. > >> > >> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 6:39 AM, Martijn Reuvers > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> When you use ADF, then stick to JDeveloper you'll get a lot of > >>> integration for your application and can really build applications > >>> fast. > >>> > >>> However if you use open-source frameworks like wicket, you're better > >>> off using one of the other IDE's (Netbeans, Eclipse, IntelliJ). Just > >>> use maven or so, then your management has nothing to say, as it does > >>> not really matter what IDE you use. I always say: Use whatever gets > >>> the job done. =) > >>> > >>> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 1:00 AM, Dane Laverty > wrote: > >>> > Our management has chosen to make JDeveloper 11g the required IDE for > >>> > the department. Searching the Wicket mailing list archives, I find > >>> > that there is very little discussion about JDev. I'd be interested to > >>> > know, are any of you currently using JDeveloper as your main Wicket > >>> > IDE? > >>> > > >>> > - > >>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org > >>> > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> - > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org > >>> > >> > >> - > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org > >> > >> > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wick
Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?
James & Igor, It sounds like your experiences with UML are about what I am expecting it to be like. Scott, the move to drop other programs in favor of JDeveloper is partly about cost-cutting, but more so about standardization. As I've mentioned, I'm the only Java programmer on staff, and I think JDeveloper and its out-of-the-box-ness will be a little less intimidating to the rest of the staff as we move towards Java than Eclipse with its many, many plugins. Martijn, "Apex is Apex" is a good way of putting it. I'm hoping that this will be a move away from Apex and toward application coding that is more maintainable. For the most part, I'm keeping a positive attitude about the change. I love Eclipse, and I expect that I'll find JDeveloper frustrating, but I'm looking forward to it as a chance to get some experience with something new. Same with UML. Whether or not it sticks, at least it will be a learning experience. On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 8:44 AM, Martijn Reuvers wrote: > You might want to try Netbeans for UML (there is a single plugin, > install it and it works fine). I have not had any problems with it, it > has quite some features (similar to the ones in JDeveloper). > > Use SQLDeveloper (of Oracle as well) if you need to replace Toad, > however keep in mind it does not have all the dba features Toad > provides, no free tool has these in fact. > > Well Apex is Apex, it cannot be replaced easily as its tied so closely > to the oracle database and its pl/sql. > > As soon as you use Maven there is no need anymore for JDeveloper, at > least not for running/building the project. If you really require > specific features for instance for Apex you can still create a single > workspace next to the normal maven one and use that separately. > > As for weblogic, just deploy a war manually through its console if you > need to test it. However for faster testing I'd use Jetty with mvn > jetty:run (you can always add a weblogic*.xml to the final war to > override some libraries or so). > > > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Dane Laverty wrote: >> I've really enjoyed getting to use Maven on my recent projects. I'm no >> Maven expert, but I'm finding that I don't have to be -- it really >> just does a great job. Getting Maven working with JDeveloper has not >> been going well so far, so that's been one hangup. >> >> There are a few reasons for the department-wide IDE mandate. Our >> manager has just discovered UML (I don't know anything about it, to be >> honest), and JDeveloper provides UML functionality out of the box, >> while any of the free Eclipse UML plugins I could find required a >> mountain of dependencies and don't appear to work as smoothly as the >> JDev one. Also, we're trying to replace TOAD as our database tool, and >> JDev looks like it can do that. The third reason is that most of our >> applications are Oracle ApEx, and JDev has stuff for that too. >> >> I'm trying to port my existing apps to JDeveloper, but without much >> success. The main problems so far are: >> - How do I import a Wicket project using the Maven standard directory >> layout? (I am aware of the Maven JDev plugin for JDev 10, but it has >> issues with JDev 11) >> - How do I run a Wicket app in JDeveloper using the internal WebLogic server? >> - Does JDeveloper have some sort of Maven-like functionality for >> project lifecycle management? >> >> I imagine (hope) that most of these questions have easy answers, but >> I'm just not finding a lot of relevant online >> documentation/discussion. Most of the JDeveloper web app documentation >> is focused on EJBs or basic Servlet/JSP-based apps. >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 3:53 AM, James >> Carman wrote: >>> +1 on using Maven. Most folks at our job site use eclipse, but I'm an >>> IntelliJ junkie (they got me hooked many years ago and I can't break >>> free). For the most part, we don't have issues between environments, >>> provided folks have their plugins set up correctly. >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 6:39 AM, Martijn Reuvers >>> wrote: When you use ADF, then stick to JDeveloper you'll get a lot of integration for your application and can really build applications fast. However if you use open-source frameworks like wicket, you're better off using one of the other IDE's (Netbeans, Eclipse, IntelliJ). Just use maven or so, then your management has nothing to say, as it does not really matter what IDE you use. I always say: Use whatever gets the job done. =) On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 1:00 AM, Dane Laverty wrote: > Our management has chosen to make JDeveloper 11g the required IDE for > the department. Searching the Wicket mailing list archives, I find > that there is very little discussion about JDev. I'd be interested to > know, are any of you currently using JDeveloper as your main Wicket > IDE? > > - > To unsubs
Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?
You might want to try Netbeans for UML (there is a single plugin, install it and it works fine). I have not had any problems with it, it has quite some features (similar to the ones in JDeveloper). Use SQLDeveloper (of Oracle as well) if you need to replace Toad, however keep in mind it does not have all the dba features Toad provides, no free tool has these in fact. Well Apex is Apex, it cannot be replaced easily as its tied so closely to the oracle database and its pl/sql. As soon as you use Maven there is no need anymore for JDeveloper, at least not for running/building the project. If you really require specific features for instance for Apex you can still create a single workspace next to the normal maven one and use that separately. As for weblogic, just deploy a war manually through its console if you need to test it. However for faster testing I'd use Jetty with mvn jetty:run (you can always add a weblogic*.xml to the final war to override some libraries or so). On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Dane Laverty wrote: > I've really enjoyed getting to use Maven on my recent projects. I'm no > Maven expert, but I'm finding that I don't have to be -- it really > just does a great job. Getting Maven working with JDeveloper has not > been going well so far, so that's been one hangup. > > There are a few reasons for the department-wide IDE mandate. Our > manager has just discovered UML (I don't know anything about it, to be > honest), and JDeveloper provides UML functionality out of the box, > while any of the free Eclipse UML plugins I could find required a > mountain of dependencies and don't appear to work as smoothly as the > JDev one. Also, we're trying to replace TOAD as our database tool, and > JDev looks like it can do that. The third reason is that most of our > applications are Oracle ApEx, and JDev has stuff for that too. > > I'm trying to port my existing apps to JDeveloper, but without much > success. The main problems so far are: > - How do I import a Wicket project using the Maven standard directory > layout? (I am aware of the Maven JDev plugin for JDev 10, but it has > issues with JDev 11) > - How do I run a Wicket app in JDeveloper using the internal WebLogic server? > - Does JDeveloper have some sort of Maven-like functionality for > project lifecycle management? > > I imagine (hope) that most of these questions have easy answers, but > I'm just not finding a lot of relevant online > documentation/discussion. Most of the JDeveloper web app documentation > is focused on EJBs or basic Servlet/JSP-based apps. > > > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 3:53 AM, James > Carman wrote: >> +1 on using Maven. Most folks at our job site use eclipse, but I'm an >> IntelliJ junkie (they got me hooked many years ago and I can't break >> free). For the most part, we don't have issues between environments, >> provided folks have their plugins set up correctly. >> >> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 6:39 AM, Martijn Reuvers >> wrote: >>> >>> When you use ADF, then stick to JDeveloper you'll get a lot of >>> integration for your application and can really build applications >>> fast. >>> >>> However if you use open-source frameworks like wicket, you're better >>> off using one of the other IDE's (Netbeans, Eclipse, IntelliJ). Just >>> use maven or so, then your management has nothing to say, as it does >>> not really matter what IDE you use. I always say: Use whatever gets >>> the job done. =) >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 1:00 AM, Dane Laverty wrote: >>> > Our management has chosen to make JDeveloper 11g the required IDE for >>> > the department. Searching the Wicket mailing list archives, I find >>> > that there is very little discussion about JDev. I'd be interested to >>> > know, are any of you currently using JDeveloper as your main Wicket >>> > IDE? >>> > >>> > - >>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org >>> > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org >>> > >>> > >>> >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org >>> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org >> >> > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?
Dane, I have used JDev and it is not my preference for a Java IDE. That said, if you're having trouble with it your best resource is posting at forums.oracle.com. As for a PL/SQL IDE, why are you moving away from TOAD, the price ($600 if I remember right...)? The product "PL/SQL Developer" from All Around Automations is a terrific product for more like $180. I have used it extensively and can vouch for it. http://www.allroundautomations.com/ Alternately, there is a PL/SQL IDE from Oracle called "SQL Developer" (formerly Project Raptor). It is an entirely usable product and it's free. I use this on my Mac at home because it's just Java. http://www.oracle.com/technology/products/database/sql_developer/files/what_is_sqldev.html I don't see why you would need to use the same IDE for Java & PL/SQL. I never have. Scott On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 8:30 AM, James Carman wrote: > I've always found that trying to do the UML thing just turns out to be more > of a pain than it's worth. For me, it's just easier to code the stuff. You > can generate UML from the code pretty easily (check out the yfiles Javadocs > for an example that's generated using yworks' yDoc product). > > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Dane Laverty wrote: > >> I've really enjoyed getting to use Maven on my recent projects. I'm no >> Maven expert, but I'm finding that I don't have to be -- it really >> just does a great job. Getting Maven working with JDeveloper has not >> been going well so far, so that's been one hangup. >> >> There are a few reasons for the department-wide IDE mandate. Our >> manager has just discovered UML (I don't know anything about it, to be >> honest), and JDeveloper provides UML functionality out of the box, >> while any of the free Eclipse UML plugins I could find required a >> mountain of dependencies and don't appear to work as smoothly as the >> JDev one. Also, we're trying to replace TOAD as our database tool, and >> JDev looks like it can do that. The third reason is that most of our >> applications are Oracle ApEx, and JDev has stuff for that too. >> >> I'm trying to port my existing apps to JDeveloper, but without much >> success. The main problems so far are: >> - How do I import a Wicket project using the Maven standard directory >> layout? (I am aware of the Maven JDev plugin for JDev 10, but it has >> issues with JDev 11) >> - How do I run a Wicket app in JDeveloper using the internal WebLogic >> server? >> - Does JDeveloper have some sort of Maven-like functionality for >> project lifecycle management? >> >> I imagine (hope) that most of these questions have easy answers, but >> I'm just not finding a lot of relevant online >> documentation/discussion. Most of the JDeveloper web app documentation >> is focused on EJBs or basic Servlet/JSP-based apps. >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 3:53 AM, James >> Carman wrote: >> > +1 on using Maven. Most folks at our job site use eclipse, but I'm an >> > IntelliJ junkie (they got me hooked many years ago and I can't break >> > free). For the most part, we don't have issues between environments, >> > provided folks have their plugins set up correctly. >> > >> > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 6:39 AM, Martijn Reuvers >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> When you use ADF, then stick to JDeveloper you'll get a lot of >> >> integration for your application and can really build applications >> >> fast. >> >> >> >> However if you use open-source frameworks like wicket, you're better >> >> off using one of the other IDE's (Netbeans, Eclipse, IntelliJ). Just >> >> use maven or so, then your management has nothing to say, as it does >> >> not really matter what IDE you use. I always say: Use whatever gets >> >> the job done. =) >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 1:00 AM, Dane Laverty >> wrote: >> >> > Our management has chosen to make JDeveloper 11g the required IDE for >> >> > the department. Searching the Wicket mailing list archives, I find >> >> > that there is very little discussion about JDev. I'd be interested to >> >> > know, are any of you currently using JDeveloper as your main Wicket >> >> > IDE? >> >> > >> >> > - >> >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org >> >> > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> - >> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org >> >> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org >> >> >> > >> > - >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org >> > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org >> > >> > >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org >> >
Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?
we found uml works great in the beginning of an iteration to represent high level architecture and processes to get everyone on the same page. after that we fill in the blanks in code. all this roundtripping into uml, etc, is insane imho. -igor On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 8:30 AM, James Carman wrote: > I've always found that trying to do the UML thing just turns out to be more > of a pain than it's worth. For me, it's just easier to code the stuff. You > can generate UML from the code pretty easily (check out the yfiles Javadocs > for an example that's generated using yworks' yDoc product). > > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Dane Laverty wrote: > >> I've really enjoyed getting to use Maven on my recent projects. I'm no >> Maven expert, but I'm finding that I don't have to be -- it really >> just does a great job. Getting Maven working with JDeveloper has not >> been going well so far, so that's been one hangup. >> >> There are a few reasons for the department-wide IDE mandate. Our >> manager has just discovered UML (I don't know anything about it, to be >> honest), and JDeveloper provides UML functionality out of the box, >> while any of the free Eclipse UML plugins I could find required a >> mountain of dependencies and don't appear to work as smoothly as the >> JDev one. Also, we're trying to replace TOAD as our database tool, and >> JDev looks like it can do that. The third reason is that most of our >> applications are Oracle ApEx, and JDev has stuff for that too. >> >> I'm trying to port my existing apps to JDeveloper, but without much >> success. The main problems so far are: >> - How do I import a Wicket project using the Maven standard directory >> layout? (I am aware of the Maven JDev plugin for JDev 10, but it has >> issues with JDev 11) >> - How do I run a Wicket app in JDeveloper using the internal WebLogic >> server? >> - Does JDeveloper have some sort of Maven-like functionality for >> project lifecycle management? >> >> I imagine (hope) that most of these questions have easy answers, but >> I'm just not finding a lot of relevant online >> documentation/discussion. Most of the JDeveloper web app documentation >> is focused on EJBs or basic Servlet/JSP-based apps. >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 3:53 AM, James >> Carman wrote: >> > +1 on using Maven. Most folks at our job site use eclipse, but I'm an >> > IntelliJ junkie (they got me hooked many years ago and I can't break >> > free). For the most part, we don't have issues between environments, >> > provided folks have their plugins set up correctly. >> > >> > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 6:39 AM, Martijn Reuvers >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> When you use ADF, then stick to JDeveloper you'll get a lot of >> >> integration for your application and can really build applications >> >> fast. >> >> >> >> However if you use open-source frameworks like wicket, you're better >> >> off using one of the other IDE's (Netbeans, Eclipse, IntelliJ). Just >> >> use maven or so, then your management has nothing to say, as it does >> >> not really matter what IDE you use. I always say: Use whatever gets >> >> the job done. =) >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 1:00 AM, Dane Laverty >> wrote: >> >> > Our management has chosen to make JDeveloper 11g the required IDE for >> >> > the department. Searching the Wicket mailing list archives, I find >> >> > that there is very little discussion about JDev. I'd be interested to >> >> > know, are any of you currently using JDeveloper as your main Wicket >> >> > IDE? >> >> > >> >> > - >> >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org >> >> > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> - >> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org >> >> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org >> >> >> > >> > - >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org >> > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org >> > >> > >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org >> >> > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?
I've always found that trying to do the UML thing just turns out to be more of a pain than it's worth. For me, it's just easier to code the stuff. You can generate UML from the code pretty easily (check out the yfiles Javadocs for an example that's generated using yworks' yDoc product). On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Dane Laverty wrote: > I've really enjoyed getting to use Maven on my recent projects. I'm no > Maven expert, but I'm finding that I don't have to be -- it really > just does a great job. Getting Maven working with JDeveloper has not > been going well so far, so that's been one hangup. > > There are a few reasons for the department-wide IDE mandate. Our > manager has just discovered UML (I don't know anything about it, to be > honest), and JDeveloper provides UML functionality out of the box, > while any of the free Eclipse UML plugins I could find required a > mountain of dependencies and don't appear to work as smoothly as the > JDev one. Also, we're trying to replace TOAD as our database tool, and > JDev looks like it can do that. The third reason is that most of our > applications are Oracle ApEx, and JDev has stuff for that too. > > I'm trying to port my existing apps to JDeveloper, but without much > success. The main problems so far are: > - How do I import a Wicket project using the Maven standard directory > layout? (I am aware of the Maven JDev plugin for JDev 10, but it has > issues with JDev 11) > - How do I run a Wicket app in JDeveloper using the internal WebLogic > server? > - Does JDeveloper have some sort of Maven-like functionality for > project lifecycle management? > > I imagine (hope) that most of these questions have easy answers, but > I'm just not finding a lot of relevant online > documentation/discussion. Most of the JDeveloper web app documentation > is focused on EJBs or basic Servlet/JSP-based apps. > > > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 3:53 AM, James > Carman wrote: > > +1 on using Maven. Most folks at our job site use eclipse, but I'm an > > IntelliJ junkie (they got me hooked many years ago and I can't break > > free). For the most part, we don't have issues between environments, > > provided folks have their plugins set up correctly. > > > > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 6:39 AM, Martijn Reuvers > > wrote: > >> > >> When you use ADF, then stick to JDeveloper you'll get a lot of > >> integration for your application and can really build applications > >> fast. > >> > >> However if you use open-source frameworks like wicket, you're better > >> off using one of the other IDE's (Netbeans, Eclipse, IntelliJ). Just > >> use maven or so, then your management has nothing to say, as it does > >> not really matter what IDE you use. I always say: Use whatever gets > >> the job done. =) > >> > >> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 1:00 AM, Dane Laverty > wrote: > >> > Our management has chosen to make JDeveloper 11g the required IDE for > >> > the department. Searching the Wicket mailing list archives, I find > >> > that there is very little discussion about JDev. I'd be interested to > >> > know, are any of you currently using JDeveloper as your main Wicket > >> > IDE? > >> > > >> > - > >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org > >> > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org > >> > > >> > > >> > >> - > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org > >> > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org > >
Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?
dont you mean 1. Eclipse 2. IntelliJ IDEA 3. Netbeans :) -igor On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 3:25 AM, James Carman wrote: > Absolutely not. I don't know that I've even heard anyone say they're > using it. It's funny how management thinks they can make these sort > of decisions for developers. I'd say stick with one of the top three > (in my opinion), in this order: > > 1. IntelliJ IDEA > 2. Eclipse > 3. Netbeans > > > On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Dane Laverty wrote: >> >> Our management has chosen to make JDeveloper 11g the required IDE for >> the department. Searching the Wicket mailing list archives, I find >> that there is very little discussion about JDev. I'd be interested to >> know, are any of you currently using JDeveloper as your main Wicket >> IDE? >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org >> > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?
I've really enjoyed getting to use Maven on my recent projects. I'm no Maven expert, but I'm finding that I don't have to be -- it really just does a great job. Getting Maven working with JDeveloper has not been going well so far, so that's been one hangup. There are a few reasons for the department-wide IDE mandate. Our manager has just discovered UML (I don't know anything about it, to be honest), and JDeveloper provides UML functionality out of the box, while any of the free Eclipse UML plugins I could find required a mountain of dependencies and don't appear to work as smoothly as the JDev one. Also, we're trying to replace TOAD as our database tool, and JDev looks like it can do that. The third reason is that most of our applications are Oracle ApEx, and JDev has stuff for that too. I'm trying to port my existing apps to JDeveloper, but without much success. The main problems so far are: - How do I import a Wicket project using the Maven standard directory layout? (I am aware of the Maven JDev plugin for JDev 10, but it has issues with JDev 11) - How do I run a Wicket app in JDeveloper using the internal WebLogic server? - Does JDeveloper have some sort of Maven-like functionality for project lifecycle management? I imagine (hope) that most of these questions have easy answers, but I'm just not finding a lot of relevant online documentation/discussion. Most of the JDeveloper web app documentation is focused on EJBs or basic Servlet/JSP-based apps. On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 3:53 AM, James Carman wrote: > +1 on using Maven. Most folks at our job site use eclipse, but I'm an > IntelliJ junkie (they got me hooked many years ago and I can't break > free). For the most part, we don't have issues between environments, > provided folks have their plugins set up correctly. > > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 6:39 AM, Martijn Reuvers > wrote: >> >> When you use ADF, then stick to JDeveloper you'll get a lot of >> integration for your application and can really build applications >> fast. >> >> However if you use open-source frameworks like wicket, you're better >> off using one of the other IDE's (Netbeans, Eclipse, IntelliJ). Just >> use maven or so, then your management has nothing to say, as it does >> not really matter what IDE you use. I always say: Use whatever gets >> the job done. =) >> >> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 1:00 AM, Dane Laverty wrote: >> > Our management has chosen to make JDeveloper 11g the required IDE for >> > the department. Searching the Wicket mailing list archives, I find >> > that there is very little discussion about JDev. I'd be interested to >> > know, are any of you currently using JDeveloper as your main Wicket >> > IDE? >> > >> > - >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org >> > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org >> > >> > >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org >> > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?
+1 on using Maven. Most folks at our job site use eclipse, but I'm an IntelliJ junkie (they got me hooked many years ago and I can't break free). For the most part, we don't have issues between environments, provided folks have their plugins set up correctly. On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 6:39 AM, Martijn Reuvers wrote: > > When you use ADF, then stick to JDeveloper you'll get a lot of > integration for your application and can really build applications > fast. > > However if you use open-source frameworks like wicket, you're better > off using one of the other IDE's (Netbeans, Eclipse, IntelliJ). Just > use maven or so, then your management has nothing to say, as it does > not really matter what IDE you use. I always say: Use whatever gets > the job done. =) > > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 1:00 AM, Dane Laverty wrote: > > Our management has chosen to make JDeveloper 11g the required IDE for > > the department. Searching the Wicket mailing list archives, I find > > that there is very little discussion about JDev. I'd be interested to > > know, are any of you currently using JDeveloper as your main Wicket > > IDE? > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?
When you use ADF, then stick to JDeveloper you'll get a lot of integration for your application and can really build applications fast. However if you use open-source frameworks like wicket, you're better off using one of the other IDE's (Netbeans, Eclipse, IntelliJ). Just use maven or so, then your management has nothing to say, as it does not really matter what IDE you use. I always say: Use whatever gets the job done. =) On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 1:00 AM, Dane Laverty wrote: > Our management has chosen to make JDeveloper 11g the required IDE for > the department. Searching the Wicket mailing list archives, I find > that there is very little discussion about JDev. I'd be interested to > know, are any of you currently using JDeveloper as your main Wicket > IDE? > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?
Absolutely not. I don't know that I've even heard anyone say they're using it. It's funny how management thinks they can make these sort of decisions for developers. I'd say stick with one of the top three (in my opinion), in this order: 1. IntelliJ IDEA 2. Eclipse 3. Netbeans On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Dane Laverty wrote: > > Our management has chosen to make JDeveloper 11g the required IDE for > the department. Searching the Wicket mailing list archives, I find > that there is very little discussion about JDev. I'd be interested to > know, are any of you currently using JDeveloper as your main Wicket > IDE? > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?
http://instantcrickets.com Ryan Gravener http://bit.ly/no_word_docs On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Nick Heudecker wrote: > JDeveloper? > > *crickets* > > :) > > -- > Nick Heudecker > Professional Wicket Training & Consulting > http://www.systemmobile.com >
Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?
JDeveloper? *crickets* :) -- Nick Heudecker Professional Wicket Training & Consulting http://www.systemmobile.com
JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?
Our management has chosen to make JDeveloper 11g the required IDE for the department. Searching the Wicket mailing list archives, I find that there is very little discussion about JDev. I'd be interested to know, are any of you currently using JDeveloper as your main Wicket IDE? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
