Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?

2009-07-03 Thread Peter Ertl

looks nice, but no support for postgresql :-(


Am 02.07.2009 um 21:54 schrieb John Armstrong:


Since we are plugging our favorite DB tools I swear by Database
Workbench Pro (http://www.upscene.com/). The author is extremely
responsive (he'll give you a custom build, usually in 48 hours, when
you find a bug), it supports a nice variety of databases and has some
killer tools like cross-database data migration, schema migration,
schema differentiation, ERD generation etc etc.

Check it out, well worth the money but Windows only so I find myself
in VMWare with it these days.

John-

On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 4:55 AM, Richard Allen> wrote:
Now that Oracle bought Sun I wonder if JDev and Netbeans will cross  
paths.


A great free, cross-platform SQL tool is SQuirreL (
http://squirrel-sql.sourceforge.net/).


On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 4:45 PM, Scott Swank  
 wrote:



I'm at best 50% DBA, by training.  You end up with multi-step
operations that work very well as sql*plus scripts.  I also run
analogous queries in TOAD, PL/SQL Dev or SQL Dev -- but no DBA worth
hiring works in the click-and-drag world.  But then I suppose this  
has

gotten off topic.

On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 10:37 AM, James
Carman wrote:
As a DBA, you use SQL Plus?  I would think most DBAs would either  
use the
console thingy that comes with Oracle or Toad.  SQL Plus always  
seemed a

bit
limiting to me, but that's probably because of my limited  
knowledge of

all

the commands, so I need the nice GUI stuff to guide me along. :)

On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Scott Swank  


wrote:



And if you're an Oracle DBA your main tool is called "SQL Plus".

On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 8:58 PM, James
Carman wrote:
+1 to sqldeveloper (java or native).  For developers (not  
DBAs), it's

a

very

nice tool and does what you need for the majority of the cases.

On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Vasu Srinivasan >

wrote:


JDeveloper is good to target a narrow Oracle infrastructure.  
We use

it

for
Oracle soa suite, and there are no other IDEs / plugins which  
can

match
that, it has good integration for ADF too. And thats pretty  
much it.


Otherwise, it doesn't come half close to IDEA or Eclipse. The  
project
structure it generates is pretty un-intuitive. Bad IDE is  
indirectly
proportional to Productivity. Lack of good plugins is another  
major

reason.


Our team has only a few licenses for TOAD, so I use sql  
developer

(the
windows native version, not the java version).. Pretty happy  
with it,

though
it gets a bit slow at times. Last I used the java version was  
buggy

and

low.



On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Daniel Toffetti <

dto...@yahoo.com.ar

wrote:



Juan Carlos Garcia M.  gmail.com> writes:


I always thought God used only in LISP :)

Nicolas Melendez wrote:


god used Eclipse 1.0 to develop universe.

NM
Software Developer - Buenos aires, Argentina.



No. Sadly, He didn't:

   http://xkcd.com/224/

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Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?

2009-07-02 Thread John Armstrong
Since we are plugging our favorite DB tools I swear by Database
Workbench Pro (http://www.upscene.com/). The author is extremely
responsive (he'll give you a custom build, usually in 48 hours, when
you find a bug), it supports a nice variety of databases and has some
killer tools like cross-database data migration, schema migration,
schema differentiation, ERD generation etc etc.

Check it out, well worth the money but Windows only so I find myself
in VMWare with it these days.

John-

On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 4:55 AM, Richard Allen wrote:
> Now that Oracle bought Sun I wonder if JDev and Netbeans will cross paths.
>
> A great free, cross-platform SQL tool is SQuirreL (
> http://squirrel-sql.sourceforge.net/).
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 4:45 PM, Scott Swank  wrote:
>
>> I'm at best 50% DBA, by training.  You end up with multi-step
>> operations that work very well as sql*plus scripts.  I also run
>> analogous queries in TOAD, PL/SQL Dev or SQL Dev -- but no DBA worth
>> hiring works in the click-and-drag world.  But then I suppose this has
>> gotten off topic.
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 10:37 AM, James
>> Carman wrote:
>> > As a DBA, you use SQL Plus?  I would think most DBAs would either use the
>> > console thingy that comes with Oracle or Toad.  SQL Plus always seemed a
>> bit
>> > limiting to me, but that's probably because of my limited knowledge of
>> all
>> > the commands, so I need the nice GUI stuff to guide me along. :)
>> >
>> > On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Scott Swank 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> And if you're an Oracle DBA your main tool is called "SQL Plus".
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 8:58 PM, James
>> >> Carman wrote:
>> >> > +1 to sqldeveloper (java or native).  For developers (not DBAs), it's
>> a
>> >> very
>> >> > nice tool and does what you need for the majority of the cases.
>> >> >
>> >> > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Vasu Srinivasan 
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> JDeveloper is good to target a narrow Oracle infrastructure. We use
>> it
>> >> for
>> >> >> Oracle soa suite, and there are no other IDEs / plugins which can
>> match
>> >> >> that, it has good integration for ADF too. And thats pretty much it.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Otherwise, it doesn't come half close to IDEA or Eclipse. The project
>> >> >> structure it generates is pretty un-intuitive. Bad IDE is indirectly
>> >> >> proportional to Productivity. Lack of good plugins is another major
>> >> reason.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Our team has only a few licenses for TOAD, so I use sql developer
>> (the
>> >> >> windows native version, not the java version).. Pretty happy with it,
>> >> >> though
>> >> >> it gets a bit slow at times. Last I used the java version was buggy
>> and
>> >> >> low.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Daniel Toffetti <
>> dto...@yahoo.com.ar
>> >> >> >wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Juan Carlos Garcia M.  gmail.com> writes:
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > I always thought God used only in LISP :)
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Nicolas Melendez wrote:
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > god used Eclipse 1.0 to develop universe.
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > NM
>> >> >> > > > Software Developer - Buenos aires, Argentina.
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >     No. Sadly, He didn't:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >    http://xkcd.com/224/
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Daniel
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
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>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
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>> >> >> Vasu Srinivasan
>> >> >>
>> >> >
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Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?

2009-07-02 Thread Richard Allen
Now that Oracle bought Sun I wonder if JDev and Netbeans will cross paths.

A great free, cross-platform SQL tool is SQuirreL (
http://squirrel-sql.sourceforge.net/).


On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 4:45 PM, Scott Swank  wrote:

> I'm at best 50% DBA, by training.  You end up with multi-step
> operations that work very well as sql*plus scripts.  I also run
> analogous queries in TOAD, PL/SQL Dev or SQL Dev -- but no DBA worth
> hiring works in the click-and-drag world.  But then I suppose this has
> gotten off topic.
>
> On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 10:37 AM, James
> Carman wrote:
> > As a DBA, you use SQL Plus?  I would think most DBAs would either use the
> > console thingy that comes with Oracle or Toad.  SQL Plus always seemed a
> bit
> > limiting to me, but that's probably because of my limited knowledge of
> all
> > the commands, so I need the nice GUI stuff to guide me along. :)
> >
> > On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Scott Swank 
> wrote:
> >
> >> And if you're an Oracle DBA your main tool is called "SQL Plus".
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 8:58 PM, James
> >> Carman wrote:
> >> > +1 to sqldeveloper (java or native).  For developers (not DBAs), it's
> a
> >> very
> >> > nice tool and does what you need for the majority of the cases.
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Vasu Srinivasan 
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> JDeveloper is good to target a narrow Oracle infrastructure. We use
> it
> >> for
> >> >> Oracle soa suite, and there are no other IDEs / plugins which can
> match
> >> >> that, it has good integration for ADF too. And thats pretty much it.
> >> >>
> >> >> Otherwise, it doesn't come half close to IDEA or Eclipse. The project
> >> >> structure it generates is pretty un-intuitive. Bad IDE is indirectly
> >> >> proportional to Productivity. Lack of good plugins is another major
> >> reason.
> >> >>
> >> >> Our team has only a few licenses for TOAD, so I use sql developer
> (the
> >> >> windows native version, not the java version).. Pretty happy with it,
> >> >> though
> >> >> it gets a bit slow at times. Last I used the java version was buggy
> and
> >> >> low.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Daniel Toffetti <
> dto...@yahoo.com.ar
> >> >> >wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Juan Carlos Garcia M.  gmail.com> writes:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > I always thought God used only in LISP :)
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Nicolas Melendez wrote:
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > god used Eclipse 1.0 to develop universe.
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > NM
> >> >> > > > Software Developer - Buenos aires, Argentina.
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > No. Sadly, He didn't:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >http://xkcd.com/224/
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Daniel
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
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> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
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> >> >> Vasu Srinivasan
> >> >>
> >> >
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Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?

2009-06-20 Thread Scott Swank
I'm at best 50% DBA, by training.  You end up with multi-step
operations that work very well as sql*plus scripts.  I also run
analogous queries in TOAD, PL/SQL Dev or SQL Dev -- but no DBA worth
hiring works in the click-and-drag world.  But then I suppose this has
gotten off topic.

On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 10:37 AM, James
Carman wrote:
> As a DBA, you use SQL Plus?  I would think most DBAs would either use the
> console thingy that comes with Oracle or Toad.  SQL Plus always seemed a bit
> limiting to me, but that's probably because of my limited knowledge of all
> the commands, so I need the nice GUI stuff to guide me along. :)
>
> On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Scott Swank  wrote:
>
>> And if you're an Oracle DBA your main tool is called "SQL Plus".
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 8:58 PM, James
>> Carman wrote:
>> > +1 to sqldeveloper (java or native).  For developers (not DBAs), it's a
>> very
>> > nice tool and does what you need for the majority of the cases.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Vasu Srinivasan 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> JDeveloper is good to target a narrow Oracle infrastructure. We use it
>> for
>> >> Oracle soa suite, and there are no other IDEs / plugins which can match
>> >> that, it has good integration for ADF too. And thats pretty much it.
>> >>
>> >> Otherwise, it doesn't come half close to IDEA or Eclipse. The project
>> >> structure it generates is pretty un-intuitive. Bad IDE is indirectly
>> >> proportional to Productivity. Lack of good plugins is another major
>> reason.
>> >>
>> >> Our team has only a few licenses for TOAD, so I use sql developer (the
>> >> windows native version, not the java version).. Pretty happy with it,
>> >> though
>> >> it gets a bit slow at times. Last I used the java version was buggy and
>> >> low.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Daniel Toffetti > >> >wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Juan Carlos Garcia M.  gmail.com> writes:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I always thought God used only in LISP :)
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Nicolas Melendez wrote:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > god used Eclipse 1.0 to develop universe.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > NM
>> >> > > > Software Developer - Buenos aires, Argentina.
>> >> > > >
>> >> >
>> >> >     No. Sadly, He didn't:
>> >> >
>> >> >    http://xkcd.com/224/
>> >> >
>> >> > Daniel
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
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>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Regards,
>> >> Vasu Srinivasan
>> >>
>> >
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Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?

2009-06-20 Thread James Carman
As a DBA, you use SQL Plus?  I would think most DBAs would either use the
console thingy that comes with Oracle or Toad.  SQL Plus always seemed a bit
limiting to me, but that's probably because of my limited knowledge of all
the commands, so I need the nice GUI stuff to guide me along. :)

On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Scott Swank  wrote:

> And if you're an Oracle DBA your main tool is called "SQL Plus".
>
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 8:58 PM, James
> Carman wrote:
> > +1 to sqldeveloper (java or native).  For developers (not DBAs), it's a
> very
> > nice tool and does what you need for the majority of the cases.
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Vasu Srinivasan 
> wrote:
> >
> >> JDeveloper is good to target a narrow Oracle infrastructure. We use it
> for
> >> Oracle soa suite, and there are no other IDEs / plugins which can match
> >> that, it has good integration for ADF too. And thats pretty much it.
> >>
> >> Otherwise, it doesn't come half close to IDEA or Eclipse. The project
> >> structure it generates is pretty un-intuitive. Bad IDE is indirectly
> >> proportional to Productivity. Lack of good plugins is another major
> reason.
> >>
> >> Our team has only a few licenses for TOAD, so I use sql developer (the
> >> windows native version, not the java version).. Pretty happy with it,
> >> though
> >> it gets a bit slow at times. Last I used the java version was buggy and
> >> low.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Daniel Toffetti  >> >wrote:
> >>
> >> > Juan Carlos Garcia M.  gmail.com> writes:
> >> > >
> >> > > I always thought God used only in LISP :)
> >> > >
> >> > > Nicolas Melendez wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > god used Eclipse 1.0 to develop universe.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > NM
> >> > > > Software Developer - Buenos aires, Argentina.
> >> > > >
> >> >
> >> > No. Sadly, He didn't:
> >> >
> >> >http://xkcd.com/224/
> >> >
> >> > Daniel
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -
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> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Regards,
> >> Vasu Srinivasan
> >>
> >
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Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?

2009-06-20 Thread Scott Swank
And if you're an Oracle DBA your main tool is called "SQL Plus".

On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 8:58 PM, James
Carman wrote:
> +1 to sqldeveloper (java or native).  For developers (not DBAs), it's a very
> nice tool and does what you need for the majority of the cases.
>
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Vasu Srinivasan  wrote:
>
>> JDeveloper is good to target a narrow Oracle infrastructure. We use it for
>> Oracle soa suite, and there are no other IDEs / plugins which can match
>> that, it has good integration for ADF too. And thats pretty much it.
>>
>> Otherwise, it doesn't come half close to IDEA or Eclipse. The project
>> structure it generates is pretty un-intuitive. Bad IDE is indirectly
>> proportional to Productivity. Lack of good plugins is another major reason.
>>
>> Our team has only a few licenses for TOAD, so I use sql developer (the
>> windows native version, not the java version).. Pretty happy with it,
>> though
>> it gets a bit slow at times. Last I used the java version was buggy and
>> low.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Daniel Toffetti > >wrote:
>>
>> > Juan Carlos Garcia M.  gmail.com> writes:
>> > >
>> > > I always thought God used only in LISP :)
>> > >
>> > > Nicolas Melendez wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > god used Eclipse 1.0 to develop universe.
>> > > >
>> > > > NM
>> > > > Software Developer - Buenos aires, Argentina.
>> > > >
>> >
>> >     No. Sadly, He didn't:
>> >
>> >    http://xkcd.com/224/
>> >
>> > Daniel
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Vasu Srinivasan
>>
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Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?

2009-06-19 Thread James Carman
+1 to sqldeveloper (java or native).  For developers (not DBAs), it's a very
nice tool and does what you need for the majority of the cases.

On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Vasu Srinivasan  wrote:

> JDeveloper is good to target a narrow Oracle infrastructure. We use it for
> Oracle soa suite, and there are no other IDEs / plugins which can match
> that, it has good integration for ADF too. And thats pretty much it.
>
> Otherwise, it doesn't come half close to IDEA or Eclipse. The project
> structure it generates is pretty un-intuitive. Bad IDE is indirectly
> proportional to Productivity. Lack of good plugins is another major reason.
>
> Our team has only a few licenses for TOAD, so I use sql developer (the
> windows native version, not the java version).. Pretty happy with it,
> though
> it gets a bit slow at times. Last I used the java version was buggy and
> low.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Daniel Toffetti  >wrote:
>
> > Juan Carlos Garcia M.  gmail.com> writes:
> > >
> > > I always thought God used only in LISP :)
> > >
> > > Nicolas Melendez wrote:
> > > >
> > > > god used Eclipse 1.0 to develop universe.
> > > >
> > > > NM
> > > > Software Developer - Buenos aires, Argentina.
> > > >
> >
> > No. Sadly, He didn't:
> >
> >http://xkcd.com/224/
> >
> > Daniel
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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>
> --
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> Vasu Srinivasan
>


Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?

2009-06-19 Thread Vasu Srinivasan
JDeveloper is good to target a narrow Oracle infrastructure. We use it for
Oracle soa suite, and there are no other IDEs / plugins which can match
that, it has good integration for ADF too. And thats pretty much it.

Otherwise, it doesn't come half close to IDEA or Eclipse. The project
structure it generates is pretty un-intuitive. Bad IDE is indirectly
proportional to Productivity. Lack of good plugins is another major reason.

Our team has only a few licenses for TOAD, so I use sql developer (the
windows native version, not the java version).. Pretty happy with it, though
it gets a bit slow at times. Last I used the java version was buggy and
low.



On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Daniel Toffetti wrote:

> Juan Carlos Garcia M.  gmail.com> writes:
> >
> > I always thought God used only in LISP :)
> >
> > Nicolas Melendez wrote:
> > >
> > > god used Eclipse 1.0 to develop universe.
> > >
> > > NM
> > > Software Developer - Buenos aires, Argentina.
> > >
>
> No. Sadly, He didn't:
>
>http://xkcd.com/224/
>
> Daniel
>
>
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Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?

2009-06-19 Thread Daniel Toffetti
Juan Carlos Garcia M.  gmail.com> writes:
> 
> I always thought God used only in LISP :)
> 
> Nicolas Melendez wrote:
> > 
> > god used Eclipse 1.0 to develop universe.
> >
> > NM
> > Software Developer - Buenos aires, Argentina.
> > 

No. Sadly, He didn't:

http://xkcd.com/224/

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Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?

2009-06-19 Thread Juan Carlos Garcia M.
t;>> > that there is very little discussion about JDev. I'd be interested
>> to
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Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?

2009-06-19 Thread Bruno Ledesma
God tryed Netbeans. And now we have Argentina!
heheheeh just a little brazillian joke!

Someone has posted and i agree. Thas not a manager decision. Developer
should ask the manager why he is taking that decision, and show the benefits
of using another IDE. After all, the developers will use the IDE not the
manager.

Bruno Ledesma


2009/6/19 Martijn Reuvers 

> JDev is not a bad IDE actually. If you want a lot of ready to use
> integrated functionality then its by far better than any of the
> earlier mentioned IDE's (especially if you use e.g. bc4j, soa, adf
> etc) - this is true as long as you need the oracle taste that is.
>
> For pure java programming the other IDE's are a lot more pleasant to
> use (especially with non-oracle open-source frameworks like wicket,
> spring, seam etc). I've done projects in both JDeveloper and the other
> IDE's, and they all get the job done. :) And you're right I guess, for
> non-java people JDeveloper is easier to start with I think...
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Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?

2009-06-19 Thread Martijn Reuvers
JDev is not a bad IDE actually. If you want a lot of ready to use
integrated functionality then its by far better than any of the
earlier mentioned IDE's (especially if you use e.g. bc4j, soa, adf
etc) - this is true as long as you need the oracle taste that is.

For pure java programming the other IDE's are a lot more pleasant to
use (especially with non-oracle open-source frameworks like wicket,
spring, seam etc). I've done projects in both JDeveloper and the other
IDE's, and they all get the job done. :) And you're right I guess, for
non-java people JDeveloper is easier to start with I think...

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Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?

2009-06-19 Thread Nicolas Melendez
god used Eclipse 1.0 to develop universe.

NM
Software Developer - Buenos aires, Argentina.

On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Martijn Reuvers
wrote:

> You might want to try Netbeans for UML (there is a single plugin,
> install it and it works fine). I have not had any problems with it, it
> has quite some features (similar to the ones in JDeveloper).
>
> Use SQLDeveloper (of Oracle as well) if you need to replace Toad,
> however keep in mind it does not have all the dba features Toad
> provides, no free tool has these in fact.
>
> Well Apex is Apex, it cannot be replaced easily as its tied so closely
> to the oracle database and its pl/sql.
>
> As soon as you use Maven there is no need anymore for JDeveloper, at
> least not for running/building the project. If you really require
> specific features for instance for Apex you can still create a single
> workspace next to the normal maven one and use that separately.
>
> As for weblogic, just deploy a war manually through its console if you
> need to test it. However for faster testing I'd use Jetty with mvn
> jetty:run (you can always add a weblogic*.xml to the final war to
> override some libraries or so).
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Dane Laverty
> wrote:
> > I've really enjoyed getting to use Maven on my recent projects. I'm no
> > Maven expert, but I'm finding that I don't have to be -- it really
> > just does a great job. Getting Maven working with JDeveloper has not
> > been going well so far, so that's been one hangup.
> >
> > There are a few reasons for the department-wide IDE mandate. Our
> > manager has just discovered UML (I don't know anything about it, to be
> > honest), and JDeveloper provides UML functionality out of the box,
> > while any of the free Eclipse UML plugins I could find required a
> > mountain of dependencies and don't appear to work as smoothly as the
> > JDev one. Also, we're trying to replace TOAD as our database tool, and
> > JDev looks like it can do that. The third reason is that most of our
> > applications are Oracle ApEx, and JDev has stuff for that too.
> >
> > I'm trying to port my existing apps to JDeveloper, but without much
> > success. The main problems so far are:
> > - How do I import a Wicket project using the Maven standard directory
> > layout? (I am aware of the Maven JDev plugin for JDev 10, but it has
> > issues with JDev 11)
> > - How do I run a Wicket app in JDeveloper using the internal WebLogic
> server?
> > - Does JDeveloper have some sort of Maven-like functionality for
> > project lifecycle management?
> >
> > I imagine (hope) that most of these questions have easy answers, but
> > I'm just not finding a lot of relevant online
> > documentation/discussion. Most of the JDeveloper web app documentation
> > is focused on EJBs or basic Servlet/JSP-based apps.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 3:53 AM, James
> > Carman wrote:
> >> +1 on using Maven.  Most folks at our job site use eclipse, but I'm an
> >> IntelliJ junkie (they got me hooked many years ago and I can't break
> >> free).  For the most part, we don't have issues between environments,
> >> provided folks have their plugins set up correctly.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 6:39 AM, Martijn Reuvers
> >>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> When you use ADF, then stick to JDeveloper you'll get a lot of
> >>> integration for your application and can really build applications
> >>> fast.
> >>>
> >>> However if you use open-source frameworks like wicket, you're better
> >>> off using one of the other IDE's (Netbeans, Eclipse, IntelliJ). Just
> >>> use maven or so, then your management has nothing to say, as it does
> >>> not really matter what IDE you use. I always say: Use whatever gets
> >>> the job done. =)
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 1:00 AM, Dane Laverty
> wrote:
> >>> > Our management has chosen to make JDeveloper 11g the required IDE for
> >>> > the department. Searching the Wicket mailing list archives, I find
> >>> > that there is very little discussion about JDev. I'd be interested to
> >>> > know, are any of you currently using JDeveloper as your main Wicket
> >>> > IDE?
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Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?

2009-06-19 Thread Dane Laverty
James & Igor, It sounds like your experiences with UML are about what
I am expecting it to be like.

Scott, the move to drop other programs in favor of JDeveloper is
partly about cost-cutting, but more so about standardization. As I've
mentioned, I'm the only Java programmer on staff, and I think
JDeveloper and its out-of-the-box-ness will be a little less
intimidating to the rest of the staff as we move towards Java than
Eclipse with its many, many plugins.

Martijn, "Apex is Apex" is a good way of putting it. I'm hoping that
this will be a move away from Apex and toward application coding that
is more maintainable.

For the most part, I'm keeping a positive attitude about the change. I
love Eclipse, and I expect that I'll find JDeveloper frustrating, but
I'm looking forward to it as a chance to get some experience with
something new. Same with UML. Whether or not it sticks, at least it
will be a learning experience.

On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 8:44 AM, Martijn
Reuvers wrote:
> You might want to try Netbeans for UML (there is a single plugin,
> install it and it works fine). I have not had any problems with it, it
> has quite some features (similar to the ones in JDeveloper).
>
> Use SQLDeveloper (of Oracle as well) if you need to replace Toad,
> however keep in mind it does not have all the dba features Toad
> provides, no free tool has these in fact.
>
> Well Apex is Apex, it cannot be replaced easily as its tied so closely
> to the oracle database and its pl/sql.
>
> As soon as you use Maven there is no need anymore for JDeveloper, at
> least not for running/building the project. If you really require
> specific features for instance for Apex you can still create a single
> workspace next to the normal maven one and use that separately.
>
> As for weblogic, just deploy a war manually through its console if you
> need to test it. However for faster testing I'd use Jetty with mvn
> jetty:run (you can always add a weblogic*.xml to the final war to
> override some libraries or so).
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Dane Laverty wrote:
>> I've really enjoyed getting to use Maven on my recent projects. I'm no
>> Maven expert, but I'm finding that I don't have to be -- it really
>> just does a great job. Getting Maven working with JDeveloper has not
>> been going well so far, so that's been one hangup.
>>
>> There are a few reasons for the department-wide IDE mandate. Our
>> manager has just discovered UML (I don't know anything about it, to be
>> honest), and JDeveloper provides UML functionality out of the box,
>> while any of the free Eclipse UML plugins I could find required a
>> mountain of dependencies and don't appear to work as smoothly as the
>> JDev one. Also, we're trying to replace TOAD as our database tool, and
>> JDev looks like it can do that. The third reason is that most of our
>> applications are Oracle ApEx, and JDev has stuff for that too.
>>
>> I'm trying to port my existing apps to JDeveloper, but without much
>> success. The main problems so far are:
>> - How do I import a Wicket project using the Maven standard directory
>> layout? (I am aware of the Maven JDev plugin for JDev 10, but it has
>> issues with JDev 11)
>> - How do I run a Wicket app in JDeveloper using the internal WebLogic server?
>> - Does JDeveloper have some sort of Maven-like functionality for
>> project lifecycle management?
>>
>> I imagine (hope) that most of these questions have easy answers, but
>> I'm just not finding a lot of relevant online
>> documentation/discussion. Most of the JDeveloper web app documentation
>> is focused on EJBs or basic Servlet/JSP-based apps.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 3:53 AM, James
>> Carman wrote:
>>> +1 on using Maven.  Most folks at our job site use eclipse, but I'm an
>>> IntelliJ junkie (they got me hooked many years ago and I can't break
>>> free).  For the most part, we don't have issues between environments,
>>> provided folks have their plugins set up correctly.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 6:39 AM, Martijn Reuvers
>>>  wrote:

 When you use ADF, then stick to JDeveloper you'll get a lot of
 integration for your application and can really build applications
 fast.

 However if you use open-source frameworks like wicket, you're better
 off using one of the other IDE's (Netbeans, Eclipse, IntelliJ). Just
 use maven or so, then your management has nothing to say, as it does
 not really matter what IDE you use. I always say: Use whatever gets
 the job done. =)

 On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 1:00 AM, Dane Laverty wrote:
 > Our management has chosen to make JDeveloper 11g the required IDE for
 > the department. Searching the Wicket mailing list archives, I find
 > that there is very little discussion about JDev. I'd be interested to
 > know, are any of you currently using JDeveloper as your main Wicket
 > IDE?
 >
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Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?

2009-06-19 Thread Martijn Reuvers
You might want to try Netbeans for UML (there is a single plugin,
install it and it works fine). I have not had any problems with it, it
has quite some features (similar to the ones in JDeveloper).

Use SQLDeveloper (of Oracle as well) if you need to replace Toad,
however keep in mind it does not have all the dba features Toad
provides, no free tool has these in fact.

Well Apex is Apex, it cannot be replaced easily as its tied so closely
to the oracle database and its pl/sql.

As soon as you use Maven there is no need anymore for JDeveloper, at
least not for running/building the project. If you really require
specific features for instance for Apex you can still create a single
workspace next to the normal maven one and use that separately.

As for weblogic, just deploy a war manually through its console if you
need to test it. However for faster testing I'd use Jetty with mvn
jetty:run (you can always add a weblogic*.xml to the final war to
override some libraries or so).


On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Dane Laverty wrote:
> I've really enjoyed getting to use Maven on my recent projects. I'm no
> Maven expert, but I'm finding that I don't have to be -- it really
> just does a great job. Getting Maven working with JDeveloper has not
> been going well so far, so that's been one hangup.
>
> There are a few reasons for the department-wide IDE mandate. Our
> manager has just discovered UML (I don't know anything about it, to be
> honest), and JDeveloper provides UML functionality out of the box,
> while any of the free Eclipse UML plugins I could find required a
> mountain of dependencies and don't appear to work as smoothly as the
> JDev one. Also, we're trying to replace TOAD as our database tool, and
> JDev looks like it can do that. The third reason is that most of our
> applications are Oracle ApEx, and JDev has stuff for that too.
>
> I'm trying to port my existing apps to JDeveloper, but without much
> success. The main problems so far are:
> - How do I import a Wicket project using the Maven standard directory
> layout? (I am aware of the Maven JDev plugin for JDev 10, but it has
> issues with JDev 11)
> - How do I run a Wicket app in JDeveloper using the internal WebLogic server?
> - Does JDeveloper have some sort of Maven-like functionality for
> project lifecycle management?
>
> I imagine (hope) that most of these questions have easy answers, but
> I'm just not finding a lot of relevant online
> documentation/discussion. Most of the JDeveloper web app documentation
> is focused on EJBs or basic Servlet/JSP-based apps.
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 3:53 AM, James
> Carman wrote:
>> +1 on using Maven.  Most folks at our job site use eclipse, but I'm an
>> IntelliJ junkie (they got me hooked many years ago and I can't break
>> free).  For the most part, we don't have issues between environments,
>> provided folks have their plugins set up correctly.
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 6:39 AM, Martijn Reuvers
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> When you use ADF, then stick to JDeveloper you'll get a lot of
>>> integration for your application and can really build applications
>>> fast.
>>>
>>> However if you use open-source frameworks like wicket, you're better
>>> off using one of the other IDE's (Netbeans, Eclipse, IntelliJ). Just
>>> use maven or so, then your management has nothing to say, as it does
>>> not really matter what IDE you use. I always say: Use whatever gets
>>> the job done. =)
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 1:00 AM, Dane Laverty wrote:
>>> > Our management has chosen to make JDeveloper 11g the required IDE for
>>> > the department. Searching the Wicket mailing list archives, I find
>>> > that there is very little discussion about JDev. I'd be interested to
>>> > know, are any of you currently using JDeveloper as your main Wicket
>>> > IDE?
>>> >
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Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?

2009-06-19 Thread Scott Swank
Dane,

I have used JDev and it is not my preference for a Java IDE.  That
said, if you're having trouble with it your best resource is posting
at forums.oracle.com.  As for a PL/SQL IDE, why are you moving away
from TOAD, the price ($600 if I remember right...)?  The product
"PL/SQL Developer" from All Around Automations is a terrific product
for more like $180.  I have used it extensively and can vouch for it.

http://www.allroundautomations.com/

Alternately, there is a PL/SQL IDE from Oracle called "SQL Developer"
(formerly Project Raptor).  It is an entirely usable product and it's
free.  I use this on my Mac at home because it's just Java.

http://www.oracle.com/technology/products/database/sql_developer/files/what_is_sqldev.html

I don't see why you would need to use the same IDE for Java & PL/SQL.
I never have.

Scott



On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 8:30 AM, James
Carman wrote:
> I've always found that trying to do the UML thing just turns out to be more
> of a pain than it's worth.  For me, it's just easier to code the stuff.  You
> can generate UML from the code pretty easily (check out the yfiles Javadocs
> for an example that's generated using yworks' yDoc product).
>
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Dane Laverty wrote:
>
>> I've really enjoyed getting to use Maven on my recent projects. I'm no
>> Maven expert, but I'm finding that I don't have to be -- it really
>> just does a great job. Getting Maven working with JDeveloper has not
>> been going well so far, so that's been one hangup.
>>
>> There are a few reasons for the department-wide IDE mandate. Our
>> manager has just discovered UML (I don't know anything about it, to be
>> honest), and JDeveloper provides UML functionality out of the box,
>> while any of the free Eclipse UML plugins I could find required a
>> mountain of dependencies and don't appear to work as smoothly as the
>> JDev one. Also, we're trying to replace TOAD as our database tool, and
>> JDev looks like it can do that. The third reason is that most of our
>> applications are Oracle ApEx, and JDev has stuff for that too.
>>
>> I'm trying to port my existing apps to JDeveloper, but without much
>> success. The main problems so far are:
>> - How do I import a Wicket project using the Maven standard directory
>> layout? (I am aware of the Maven JDev plugin for JDev 10, but it has
>> issues with JDev 11)
>> - How do I run a Wicket app in JDeveloper using the internal WebLogic
>> server?
>> - Does JDeveloper have some sort of Maven-like functionality for
>> project lifecycle management?
>>
>> I imagine (hope) that most of these questions have easy answers, but
>> I'm just not finding a lot of relevant online
>> documentation/discussion. Most of the JDeveloper web app documentation
>> is focused on EJBs or basic Servlet/JSP-based apps.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 3:53 AM, James
>> Carman wrote:
>> > +1 on using Maven.  Most folks at our job site use eclipse, but I'm an
>> > IntelliJ junkie (they got me hooked many years ago and I can't break
>> > free).  For the most part, we don't have issues between environments,
>> > provided folks have their plugins set up correctly.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 6:39 AM, Martijn Reuvers
>> >  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> When you use ADF, then stick to JDeveloper you'll get a lot of
>> >> integration for your application and can really build applications
>> >> fast.
>> >>
>> >> However if you use open-source frameworks like wicket, you're better
>> >> off using one of the other IDE's (Netbeans, Eclipse, IntelliJ). Just
>> >> use maven or so, then your management has nothing to say, as it does
>> >> not really matter what IDE you use. I always say: Use whatever gets
>> >> the job done. =)
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 1:00 AM, Dane Laverty
>> wrote:
>> >> > Our management has chosen to make JDeveloper 11g the required IDE for
>> >> > the department. Searching the Wicket mailing list archives, I find
>> >> > that there is very little discussion about JDev. I'd be interested to
>> >> > know, are any of you currently using JDeveloper as your main Wicket
>> >> > IDE?
>> >> >
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Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?

2009-06-19 Thread Igor Vaynberg
we found uml works great in the beginning of an iteration to represent
high level architecture and processes to get everyone on the same
page. after that we fill in the blanks in code. all this roundtripping
into uml, etc, is insane imho.

-igor

On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 8:30 AM, James
Carman wrote:
> I've always found that trying to do the UML thing just turns out to be more
> of a pain than it's worth.  For me, it's just easier to code the stuff.  You
> can generate UML from the code pretty easily (check out the yfiles Javadocs
> for an example that's generated using yworks' yDoc product).
>
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Dane Laverty wrote:
>
>> I've really enjoyed getting to use Maven on my recent projects. I'm no
>> Maven expert, but I'm finding that I don't have to be -- it really
>> just does a great job. Getting Maven working with JDeveloper has not
>> been going well so far, so that's been one hangup.
>>
>> There are a few reasons for the department-wide IDE mandate. Our
>> manager has just discovered UML (I don't know anything about it, to be
>> honest), and JDeveloper provides UML functionality out of the box,
>> while any of the free Eclipse UML plugins I could find required a
>> mountain of dependencies and don't appear to work as smoothly as the
>> JDev one. Also, we're trying to replace TOAD as our database tool, and
>> JDev looks like it can do that. The third reason is that most of our
>> applications are Oracle ApEx, and JDev has stuff for that too.
>>
>> I'm trying to port my existing apps to JDeveloper, but without much
>> success. The main problems so far are:
>> - How do I import a Wicket project using the Maven standard directory
>> layout? (I am aware of the Maven JDev plugin for JDev 10, but it has
>> issues with JDev 11)
>> - How do I run a Wicket app in JDeveloper using the internal WebLogic
>> server?
>> - Does JDeveloper have some sort of Maven-like functionality for
>> project lifecycle management?
>>
>> I imagine (hope) that most of these questions have easy answers, but
>> I'm just not finding a lot of relevant online
>> documentation/discussion. Most of the JDeveloper web app documentation
>> is focused on EJBs or basic Servlet/JSP-based apps.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 3:53 AM, James
>> Carman wrote:
>> > +1 on using Maven.  Most folks at our job site use eclipse, but I'm an
>> > IntelliJ junkie (they got me hooked many years ago and I can't break
>> > free).  For the most part, we don't have issues between environments,
>> > provided folks have their plugins set up correctly.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 6:39 AM, Martijn Reuvers
>> >  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> When you use ADF, then stick to JDeveloper you'll get a lot of
>> >> integration for your application and can really build applications
>> >> fast.
>> >>
>> >> However if you use open-source frameworks like wicket, you're better
>> >> off using one of the other IDE's (Netbeans, Eclipse, IntelliJ). Just
>> >> use maven or so, then your management has nothing to say, as it does
>> >> not really matter what IDE you use. I always say: Use whatever gets
>> >> the job done. =)
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 1:00 AM, Dane Laverty
>> wrote:
>> >> > Our management has chosen to make JDeveloper 11g the required IDE for
>> >> > the department. Searching the Wicket mailing list archives, I find
>> >> > that there is very little discussion about JDev. I'd be interested to
>> >> > know, are any of you currently using JDeveloper as your main Wicket
>> >> > IDE?
>> >> >
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Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?

2009-06-19 Thread James Carman
I've always found that trying to do the UML thing just turns out to be more
of a pain than it's worth.  For me, it's just easier to code the stuff.  You
can generate UML from the code pretty easily (check out the yfiles Javadocs
for an example that's generated using yworks' yDoc product).

On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Dane Laverty wrote:

> I've really enjoyed getting to use Maven on my recent projects. I'm no
> Maven expert, but I'm finding that I don't have to be -- it really
> just does a great job. Getting Maven working with JDeveloper has not
> been going well so far, so that's been one hangup.
>
> There are a few reasons for the department-wide IDE mandate. Our
> manager has just discovered UML (I don't know anything about it, to be
> honest), and JDeveloper provides UML functionality out of the box,
> while any of the free Eclipse UML plugins I could find required a
> mountain of dependencies and don't appear to work as smoothly as the
> JDev one. Also, we're trying to replace TOAD as our database tool, and
> JDev looks like it can do that. The third reason is that most of our
> applications are Oracle ApEx, and JDev has stuff for that too.
>
> I'm trying to port my existing apps to JDeveloper, but without much
> success. The main problems so far are:
> - How do I import a Wicket project using the Maven standard directory
> layout? (I am aware of the Maven JDev plugin for JDev 10, but it has
> issues with JDev 11)
> - How do I run a Wicket app in JDeveloper using the internal WebLogic
> server?
> - Does JDeveloper have some sort of Maven-like functionality for
> project lifecycle management?
>
> I imagine (hope) that most of these questions have easy answers, but
> I'm just not finding a lot of relevant online
> documentation/discussion. Most of the JDeveloper web app documentation
> is focused on EJBs or basic Servlet/JSP-based apps.
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 3:53 AM, James
> Carman wrote:
> > +1 on using Maven.  Most folks at our job site use eclipse, but I'm an
> > IntelliJ junkie (they got me hooked many years ago and I can't break
> > free).  For the most part, we don't have issues between environments,
> > provided folks have their plugins set up correctly.
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 6:39 AM, Martijn Reuvers
> >  wrote:
> >>
> >> When you use ADF, then stick to JDeveloper you'll get a lot of
> >> integration for your application and can really build applications
> >> fast.
> >>
> >> However if you use open-source frameworks like wicket, you're better
> >> off using one of the other IDE's (Netbeans, Eclipse, IntelliJ). Just
> >> use maven or so, then your management has nothing to say, as it does
> >> not really matter what IDE you use. I always say: Use whatever gets
> >> the job done. =)
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 1:00 AM, Dane Laverty
> wrote:
> >> > Our management has chosen to make JDeveloper 11g the required IDE for
> >> > the department. Searching the Wicket mailing list archives, I find
> >> > that there is very little discussion about JDev. I'd be interested to
> >> > know, are any of you currently using JDeveloper as your main Wicket
> >> > IDE?
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Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?

2009-06-19 Thread Igor Vaynberg
dont you mean

1.  Eclipse
2.  IntelliJ IDEA
3.  Netbeans

:)

-igor

On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 3:25 AM, James
Carman wrote:
> Absolutely not.  I don't know that I've even heard anyone say they're
> using it.  It's funny how management thinks they can make these sort
> of decisions for developers.  I'd say stick with one of the top three
> (in my opinion), in this order:
>
> 1.  IntelliJ IDEA
> 2.  Eclipse
> 3.  Netbeans
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Dane Laverty  wrote:
>>
>> Our management has chosen to make JDeveloper 11g the required IDE for
>> the department. Searching the Wicket mailing list archives, I find
>> that there is very little discussion about JDev. I'd be interested to
>> know, are any of you currently using JDeveloper as your main Wicket
>> IDE?
>>
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Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?

2009-06-19 Thread Dane Laverty
I've really enjoyed getting to use Maven on my recent projects. I'm no
Maven expert, but I'm finding that I don't have to be -- it really
just does a great job. Getting Maven working with JDeveloper has not
been going well so far, so that's been one hangup.

There are a few reasons for the department-wide IDE mandate. Our
manager has just discovered UML (I don't know anything about it, to be
honest), and JDeveloper provides UML functionality out of the box,
while any of the free Eclipse UML plugins I could find required a
mountain of dependencies and don't appear to work as smoothly as the
JDev one. Also, we're trying to replace TOAD as our database tool, and
JDev looks like it can do that. The third reason is that most of our
applications are Oracle ApEx, and JDev has stuff for that too.

I'm trying to port my existing apps to JDeveloper, but without much
success. The main problems so far are:
- How do I import a Wicket project using the Maven standard directory
layout? (I am aware of the Maven JDev plugin for JDev 10, but it has
issues with JDev 11)
- How do I run a Wicket app in JDeveloper using the internal WebLogic server?
- Does JDeveloper have some sort of Maven-like functionality for
project lifecycle management?

I imagine (hope) that most of these questions have easy answers, but
I'm just not finding a lot of relevant online
documentation/discussion. Most of the JDeveloper web app documentation
is focused on EJBs or basic Servlet/JSP-based apps.


On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 3:53 AM, James
Carman wrote:
> +1 on using Maven.  Most folks at our job site use eclipse, but I'm an
> IntelliJ junkie (they got me hooked many years ago and I can't break
> free).  For the most part, we don't have issues between environments,
> provided folks have their plugins set up correctly.
>
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 6:39 AM, Martijn Reuvers
>  wrote:
>>
>> When you use ADF, then stick to JDeveloper you'll get a lot of
>> integration for your application and can really build applications
>> fast.
>>
>> However if you use open-source frameworks like wicket, you're better
>> off using one of the other IDE's (Netbeans, Eclipse, IntelliJ). Just
>> use maven or so, then your management has nothing to say, as it does
>> not really matter what IDE you use. I always say: Use whatever gets
>> the job done. =)
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 1:00 AM, Dane Laverty wrote:
>> > Our management has chosen to make JDeveloper 11g the required IDE for
>> > the department. Searching the Wicket mailing list archives, I find
>> > that there is very little discussion about JDev. I'd be interested to
>> > know, are any of you currently using JDeveloper as your main Wicket
>> > IDE?
>> >
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Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?

2009-06-19 Thread James Carman
+1 on using Maven.  Most folks at our job site use eclipse, but I'm an
IntelliJ junkie (they got me hooked many years ago and I can't break
free).  For the most part, we don't have issues between environments,
provided folks have their plugins set up correctly.

On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 6:39 AM, Martijn Reuvers
 wrote:
>
> When you use ADF, then stick to JDeveloper you'll get a lot of
> integration for your application and can really build applications
> fast.
>
> However if you use open-source frameworks like wicket, you're better
> off using one of the other IDE's (Netbeans, Eclipse, IntelliJ). Just
> use maven or so, then your management has nothing to say, as it does
> not really matter what IDE you use. I always say: Use whatever gets
> the job done. =)
>
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 1:00 AM, Dane Laverty wrote:
> > Our management has chosen to make JDeveloper 11g the required IDE for
> > the department. Searching the Wicket mailing list archives, I find
> > that there is very little discussion about JDev. I'd be interested to
> > know, are any of you currently using JDeveloper as your main Wicket
> > IDE?
> >
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Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?

2009-06-19 Thread Martijn Reuvers
When you use ADF, then stick to JDeveloper you'll get a lot of
integration for your application and can really build applications
fast.

However if you use open-source frameworks like wicket, you're better
off using one of the other IDE's (Netbeans, Eclipse, IntelliJ). Just
use maven or so, then your management has nothing to say, as it does
not really matter what IDE you use. I always say: Use whatever gets
the job done. =)

On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 1:00 AM, Dane Laverty wrote:
> Our management has chosen to make JDeveloper 11g the required IDE for
> the department. Searching the Wicket mailing list archives, I find
> that there is very little discussion about JDev. I'd be interested to
> know, are any of you currently using JDeveloper as your main Wicket
> IDE?
>
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Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?

2009-06-19 Thread James Carman
Absolutely not.  I don't know that I've even heard anyone say they're
using it.  It's funny how management thinks they can make these sort
of decisions for developers.  I'd say stick with one of the top three
(in my opinion), in this order:

1.  IntelliJ IDEA
2.  Eclipse
3.  Netbeans


On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Dane Laverty  wrote:
>
> Our management has chosen to make JDeveloper 11g the required IDE for
> the department. Searching the Wicket mailing list archives, I find
> that there is very little discussion about JDev. I'd be interested to
> know, are any of you currently using JDeveloper as your main Wicket
> IDE?
>
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Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?

2009-06-18 Thread Ryan Gravener
http://instantcrickets.com
Ryan Gravener
http://bit.ly/no_word_docs


On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Nick Heudecker wrote:

> JDeveloper?
>
> *crickets*
>
> :)
>
> --
> Nick Heudecker
> Professional Wicket Training & Consulting
> http://www.systemmobile.com
>


Re: JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?

2009-06-18 Thread Nick Heudecker
JDeveloper?

*crickets*

:)

-- 
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Professional Wicket Training & Consulting
http://www.systemmobile.com


JDeveloper - Can I get a show of hands?

2009-06-18 Thread Dane Laverty
Our management has chosen to make JDeveloper 11g the required IDE for
the department. Searching the Wicket mailing list archives, I find
that there is very little discussion about JDev. I'd be interested to
know, are any of you currently using JDeveloper as your main Wicket
IDE?

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