Re: [xwiki-users] Drop mailing lists in favor of a forum software
This subject seems very controversial and I think it's an important point. Thank you Andreas for submitting it. +1 to remove the user list and move it to getsatisfaction. Today, the XWiki community support using listserv is (imho) clearly a weak point. I don't know how Balsamiq or Jolicloud teams manage their work with getsatisfaction but the result is very effective. Maxime 2011/3/8 Vincent Massol vinc...@massol.net On Mar 8, 2011, at 3:04 PM, Sergiu Dumitriu wrote: On 03/08/2011 07:45 AM, Vincent Massol wrote: Hi Andreas, On Mar 7, 2011, at 11:13 PM, Andreas Hahn wrote: Hi everyone, I'd like to make the proposal to drop the existing mailing lists in favor of a forum (bulletin board) software. The objective is to promote the XWiki community discussions to a broader audience. 1) A forum serves like an advertising window as anyone can read the contributions without subscription. You don't need any subscription to read mailing lists. See http://xwiki.markmail.org/ 2) Anyone can judge the activity by reading the view count. Same here: http://xwiki.markmail.org/ 3) New users can get in touch with the community without being urged to subscribe to a mailing list. How? Even with forums you need to subscribe. 4) Many people consider mailing lists as spam and prefer not to subscribe 5) Contributions have a longer visibility and older entries will get responses 6) Communication gets more efficient as the same topics won't get repeatedly discussed 7) To my experience forums get much better indexed by google as mail collectors like Nabble , Markmail, e.t.c. 8) Forums encourage user to user discussions and you will see new users taking an active role 9) There should be at least one additional category IMHO: administrators 10) A forum is more pleasure to read once a topic split into many threads 11) A forum is beneficial when expecting increasing support requirements - some real large scale forums were run by just a few moderators 12) More people will see what a teriffic job the XWiki team does. Here's my +1 I have some good news for you: we already have a forum! :) See http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/MailingLists And more specifically: http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/Forum Now if this forum doesn't fit your needs could you explain what requirements you'd have for a forum and which solution you'd pick? I personally liked jive forums but it doesn't exist anymore (it's folded into a full collaboration suite now). Thanks -Vincent This was thoroughly discussed four years ago, and the conclusion was against installing a specific forum, and stick with Nabble as a forum-like view of the mailing list activity: http://markmail.org/thread/gbdnyb7jbh4ha5ja Right I had forgotten about this discussion :) I do remember another one though (earlier than the one you pointed) where I was the one wanting a forum as a way to get more participation. What I'd really like to have that we don't currently have is a way to more visibly see who's participating more and thus encourage participation. A lot of forum do this by giving points to people who answer questions, then they get a title and a badge based on these points. Then you can list the top contributors. That said, thanks to markmail, I think our mailing lists have become a lot more browsable than before and we even get statistics: http://xwiki.markmail.org/search/?q= At some point in the past I looked at jive because it has this point system and it had the feature to be integrated on top of a mailing list. But since it disappeared I haven't found any other good option that would allow us to keep the list too. Now we have a real open question as to whether we want to keep our list AND create a getstatisfaction project for XWiki too (getsatisfaction or another similar tool). So far we've resisted doing this because it means scattering our support and thus reducing the support quality level (we cannot monitor several places easily). There are some guys who post and ask questions about xwiki on developez.com for example (see http://tinyurl.com/4ftdyly) but since we don't answer there I believe people either think xwiki is not well supported or they find their way to the official support location. One one hand I'd love to use a tool such as getsatisfaction, OTOH I don't know how we can manage properly both our lists + getsatisfaction. One solution would be to remove the user list and only keep the devs list and move users to getsatisfaction but I'm not sure how good or bad that would be. Anyone having any thoughts on this? Thanks -Vincent ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org
Re: [xwiki-users] Drop mailing lists in favor of a forum software
Hmmm, I think removing the user mailing list is not a necessity when moving to a bulleting board (like) user support. Keeping both has the benefit of allowing both ways for the user but comes with the disadvantage of distributed information (board and mailing list) and possibly more work for the devs/supporting users because they would have to check both. So this should probably be discussed. Johannes -- View this message in context: http://xwiki.475771.n2.nabble.com/Drop-mailing-lists-in-favor-of-a-forum-software-tp6099297p6153205.html Sent from the XWiki- Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
[xwiki-users] how to do a faq with xwiki 2.7 : follow tutorial or install extension ?
Hello dear xwiki authors and users, we'd like to have multiple FAQs in our wiki 2.7, what is the recommended approach for that : to implement it from scratch following the tutorial or xwiki.org code example, or install a specific extension ? thank you for your recommendation Regards Dominique. ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] how to do a faq with xwiki 2.7 : follow tutorial or install extension ?
Hey, Hi Dominique! On Mar 9, 2011, at 12:14 PM, Dominique Jocal wrote: Hello dear xwiki authors and users, we'd like to have multiple FAQs in our wiki 2.7, what is the recommended approach for that : to implement it from scratch following the tutorial or xwiki.org code example, or install a specific extension ? Implement it from scratch following the tutorial. It's simple and I don't think we have an extension for this. Contact us here or on IRC if you have specific question when implementing it. Thanks -Vincent thank you for your recommendation Regards Dominique. ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] Problem with SVG Macro
I cannot see this parameter either, here's all the accessible parameters while editing the MacroSVG document as Admin. Objects of type XWiki.JavaScriptExtension (1) Objects of type XWiki.StyleSheetExtension (1) StyleSheetExtension 0: [remove this object] [edit only this object] New StyleSheetExtension object Objects of type XWiki.TagClass (1) TagClass 0: [remove this object] [edit only this object] New TagClass object Objects of type XWiki.WikiMacroClass (1) WikiMacroClass 0: svg [remove this object] [edit only this object] New WikiMacroClass object Objects of type XWiki.WikiMacroParameterClass (3) WikiMacroParameterClass 2: width [remove this object] [edit only this object] WikiMacroParameterClass 3: height [remove this object] [edit only this object] WikiMacroParameterClass 4: forceimage [remove this object] [edit only this object] New WikiMacroParameterClass object Objects of type XWiki.XWikiRights (4) XWikiRights 0: XWiki.XWikiHomeGroup [remove this object] [edit only this object] XWikiRights 1: XWiki.XWikiAdminGroup [remove this object] [edit only this object] XWikiRights 2: XWiki.XWikiAllGroup [remove this object] [edit only this object] XWikiRights 3: Christophe. -Original Message- From: Ludovic Dubost [mailto:ludo...@xwiki.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 1:18 AM To: Christophe FRAULE Cc: XWiki Users Subject: Re: [xwiki-users] Problem with SVG Macro Sorry it's called macro visibility Ludovic Envoyé de mon iPhone Le 8 mars 2011 à 23:23, Christophe FRAULE christob...@msbx.net a écrit : You are talking about this one ? http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/SVG+Macro = YES I think you only need to use edit object on the macro (page XWiki/SVGMacro) and change the scope setting to current wiki. This setting did not exist at the time. I guess it's still the case so for I cannot see any 'scope settings' when editing the SVGMacro page Objects as Admin. = What's the fix ? Many thanks for your help, Regards, Christophe. -Original Message- From: Ludovic Dubost [mailto:ludo...@xwiki.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 12:49 PM To: XWiki Users Cc: Christophe FRAULE Subject: Re: [xwiki-users] Problem with SVG Macro You are talking about this one ? http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/SVG+Macro I think you only need to use edit object on the macro (page XWiki/SVGMacro) and change the scope setting to current wiki. This setting did not exist at the time. Ludovic Le 08/03/11 19:52, Christophe FRAULE a écrit : Hello, Using XWIKI 3.0M2 = 1) installing the SVG Macro from the XAR document 2) Granting all access rights (testing) to the 3 x SVG documents installed in the Xwiki workspace. I get: Unknown macro: svg The svg macro is not in the list of registered macros. Verify the spelling or contact your administrator. . when an individual user (authenticated and with rights to display the page) hit one page which include this macro. I have the following in the xwiki.cfg file: #-# List of active plugins. xwiki.plugins=\ com.xpn.xwiki.monitor.api.MonitorPlugin,\ com.xpn.xwiki.plugin.skinx.JsSkinExtensionPlugin,\ com.xpn.xwiki.plugin.skinx.JsSkinFileExtensionPlugin,\ com.xpn.xwiki.plugin.skinx.CssSkinExtensionPlugin,\ com.xpn.xwiki.plugin.skinx.CssSkinFileExtensionPlugin,\ com.xpn.xwiki.plugin.skinx.LinkExtensionPlugin,\ com.xpn.xwiki.plugin.feed.FeedPlugin,\ com.xpn.xwiki.plugin.ldap.LDAPPlugin,\ com.xpn.xwiki.plugin.google.GooglePlugin,\ com.xpn.xwiki.plugin.mail.MailPlugin,\ com.xpn.xwiki.plugin.packaging.PackagePlugin,\ com.xpn.xwiki.plugin.query.QueryPlugin,\ com.xpn.xwiki.plugin.svg.SVGPlugin,\ com.xpn.xwiki.plugin.charts.ChartingPlugin,\ com.xpn.xwiki.plugin.fileupload.FileUploadPlugin,\ com.xpn.xwiki.plugin.image.ImagePlugin,\ com.xpn.xwiki.plugin.userdirectory.UserDirectoryPlugin,\ com.xpn.xwiki.plugin.usertools.XWikiUserManagementToolsImpl,\ com.xpn.xwiki.plugin.zipexplorer.ZipExplorerPlugin,\ com.xpn.xwiki.plugin.autotag.AutoTagPlugin,\ com.xpn.xwiki.plugin.lucene.LucenePlugin,\ com.xpn.xwiki.plugin.diff.DiffPlugin,\ com.xpn.xwiki.plugin.rightsmanager.RightsManagerPlugin,\ com.xpn.xwiki.plugin.jodatime.JodaTimePlugin,\ com.xpn.xwiki.plugin.scheduler.SchedulerPlugin,\ com.xpn.xwiki.plugin.mailsender.MailSenderPlugin,\ com.xpn.xwiki.plugin.activitystream.plugin.ActivityStreamPlugin, \ com.xpn.xwiki.plugin.watchlist.WatchListPlugin, \
Re: [xwiki-users] Problem with SVG Macro
On 03/09/2011 04:19 PM, Christophe FRAULE wrote: I cannot see this parameter either, here's all the accessible parameters while editing the MacroSVG document as Admin. Objects of type XWiki.JavaScriptExtension (1) Objects of type XWiki.StyleSheetExtension (1) StyleSheetExtension 0: [remove this object] [edit only this object] New StyleSheetExtension object Objects of type XWiki.TagClass (1) TagClass 0: [remove this object] [edit only this object] New TagClass object Objects of type XWiki.WikiMacroClass (1) WikiMacroClass 0: svg [remove this object] [edit only this object] Did you expand this object? Click on it. Hope this helps, Marius New WikiMacroClass object Objects of type XWiki.WikiMacroParameterClass (3) WikiMacroParameterClass 2: width [remove this object] [edit only this object] WikiMacroParameterClass 3: height [remove this object] [edit only this object] WikiMacroParameterClass 4: forceimage [remove this object] [edit only this object] New WikiMacroParameterClass object Objects of type XWiki.XWikiRights (4) XWikiRights 0: XWiki.XWikiHomeGroup [remove this object] [edit only this object] XWikiRights 1: XWiki.XWikiAdminGroup [remove this object] [edit only this object] XWikiRights 2: XWiki.XWikiAllGroup [remove this object] [edit only this object] XWikiRights 3: Christophe. -Original Message- From: Ludovic Dubost [mailto:ludo...@xwiki.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 1:18 AM To: Christophe FRAULE Cc: XWiki Users Subject: Re: [xwiki-users] Problem with SVG Macro Sorry it's called macro visibility Ludovic Envoyé de mon iPhone Le 8 mars 2011 à 23:23, Christophe FRAULEchristob...@msbx.net a écrit : You are talking about this one ? http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/SVG+Macro = YES I think you only need to use edit object on the macro (page XWiki/SVGMacro) and change the scope setting to current wiki. This setting did not exist at the time. I guess it's still the case so for I cannot see any 'scope settings' when editing the SVGMacro page Objects as Admin. = What's the fix ? Many thanks for your help, Regards, Christophe. -Original Message- From: Ludovic Dubost [mailto:ludo...@xwiki.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 12:49 PM To: XWiki Users Cc: Christophe FRAULE Subject: Re: [xwiki-users] Problem with SVG Macro You are talking about this one ? http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/SVG+Macro I think you only need to use edit object on the macro (page XWiki/SVGMacro) and change the scope setting to current wiki. This setting did not exist at the time. Ludovic Le 08/03/11 19:52, Christophe FRAULE a écrit : Hello, Using XWIKI 3.0M2 = 1) installing the SVG Macro from the XAR document 2) Granting all access rights (testing) to the 3 x SVG documents installed in the Xwiki workspace. I get: Unknown macro: svg The svg macro is not in the list of registered macros. Verify the spelling or contact your administrator. . when an individual user (authenticated and with rights to display the page) hit one page which include this macro. I have the following in the xwiki.cfg file: #-# List of active plugins. xwiki.plugins=\ com.xpn.xwiki.monitor.api.MonitorPlugin,\ com.xpn.xwiki.plugin.skinx.JsSkinExtensionPlugin,\ com.xpn.xwiki.plugin.skinx.JsSkinFileExtensionPlugin,\ com.xpn.xwiki.plugin.skinx.CssSkinExtensionPlugin,\ com.xpn.xwiki.plugin.skinx.CssSkinFileExtensionPlugin,\ com.xpn.xwiki.plugin.skinx.LinkExtensionPlugin,\ com.xpn.xwiki.plugin.feed.FeedPlugin,\ com.xpn.xwiki.plugin.ldap.LDAPPlugin,\ com.xpn.xwiki.plugin.google.GooglePlugin,\ com.xpn.xwiki.plugin.mail.MailPlugin,\ com.xpn.xwiki.plugin.packaging.PackagePlugin,\ com.xpn.xwiki.plugin.query.QueryPlugin,\ com.xpn.xwiki.plugin.svg.SVGPlugin,\ com.xpn.xwiki.plugin.charts.ChartingPlugin,\ com.xpn.xwiki.plugin.fileupload.FileUploadPlugin,\ com.xpn.xwiki.plugin.image.ImagePlugin,\ com.xpn.xwiki.plugin.userdirectory.UserDirectoryPlugin,\ com.xpn.xwiki.plugin.usertools.XWikiUserManagementToolsImpl,\ com.xpn.xwiki.plugin.zipexplorer.ZipExplorerPlugin,\ com.xpn.xwiki.plugin.autotag.AutoTagPlugin,\ com.xpn.xwiki.plugin.lucene.LucenePlugin,\ com.xpn.xwiki.plugin.diff.DiffPlugin,\ com.xpn.xwiki.plugin.rightsmanager.RightsManagerPlugin,\ com.xpn.xwiki.plugin.jodatime.JodaTimePlugin,\ com.xpn.xwiki.plugin.scheduler.SchedulerPlugin,\ com.xpn.xwiki.plugin.mailsender.MailSenderPlugin,\ com.xpn.xwiki.plugin.activitystream.plugin.ActivityStreamPlugin, \
Re: [xwiki-users] Drop mailing lists in favor of a forum software
To me, the ideal solution would be enhanced forum-functionality inside XWiki. Not only for the this mailinglist (getting all conversation in one place, linking discussions to the pages/features it concerns) but for XWiki as a platform too. I currently have no time to elaborate in a functional proposal, but roughly: commenting works fine as-is online, but (mail) notification of replies is lacking (chosing 'watch this page' is unsatisfactory). ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] Troubleshooting Watchlist Email notification
Some more information: I tried to manually edit my profile and added the following: WatchListClass 0: Scheduler.WatchListHourlyNotifier However I'm not getting any notifications. My email setup is working. I'm using $xwiki.mailsender.sendTextMessage in other parts of the Wiki and it works great. -- View this message in context: http://xwiki.475771.n2.nabble.com/Troubleshooting-Watchlist-Email-notification-tp6131067p6154335.html Sent from the XWiki- Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] Dynamically set rights over document
Still unable to create a correct Groovy macro :( It would be great if someone could help me on this. Thanks! Luís Braga -- View this message in context: http://xwiki.475771.n2.nabble.com/Dynamically-set-rights-over-document-tp6060830p6154420.html Sent from the XWiki- Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] how to do a faq with xwiki 2.7 : follow tutorial or install extension ?
Dear Vincent, (ça me fait drôle de parler anglais, mais jouons le jeu du forum) we're interested in reusing the current xwiki.org FAQ implementation, as somebody asked in a previous post http://xwiki.475771.n2.nabble.com/FAQ-bundle-td4704393.htmlhttp://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/FAQ/?viewer=code at this time, you did forward to the page source code, but can we access to classes and templates source code as well ? (if possible) merci l'ami D 2011/3/9 Vincent Massol vinc...@massol.net Hey, Hi Dominique! On Mar 9, 2011, at 12:14 PM, Dominique Jocal wrote: Hello dear xwiki authors and users, we'd like to have multiple FAQs in our wiki 2.7, what is the recommended approach for that : to implement it from scratch following the tutorial or xwiki.org code example, or install a specific extension ? Implement it from scratch following the tutorial. It's simple and I don't think we have an extension for this. Contact us here or on IRC if you have specific question when implementing it. Thanks -Vincent thank you for your recommendation Regards Dominique. ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] Troubleshooting Watchlist Email notification
Problem solved. I hadn't actually started the cron jobs. Doh! Went to the Job Scheduler and scheduled all the Notifiers. The only glitch is that the Watchlist Preferences page doesn't list the Notifier you have chosen. -- View this message in context: http://xwiki.475771.n2.nabble.com/Troubleshooting-Watchlist-Email-notification-tp6131067p6154466.html Sent from the XWiki- Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] Troubleshooting Watchlist Email notification
On 03/09/2011 06:05 PM, Alex Jakobsen wrote: Problem solved. I hadn't actually started the cron jobs. Doh! Went to the Job Scheduler and scheduled all the Notifiers. The only glitch is that the Watchlist Preferences page doesn't list the Notifier you have chosen. Could this be the problem? http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XPWATCHLIST-124 -- Sergiu Dumitriu http://purl.org/net/sergiu/ ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] Troubleshooting Watchlist Email notification
I can pick a notifier and it adds the correct notifier to my profile - I can
see the Notifier listed when I edit my profile via the Object editor.
I looked at the code for : XWikiUserWatchListSheet and this code:
#set($currentNotifier = $doc.display('interval', 'view')) results in an
empty string so nothing is displayed. Also if I go back to edit mode the
current Notifier is not selected in the drop down list.
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Re: [xwiki-users] Drop mailing lists in favor of a forum software
Hi everyone, as for your morning entertainment I'll tell a little shortstory. Get yourself a coffee - relax - and a few mins to read and think about it. Back in 2004 2 Java Developers that were upset about EJBs published a book with their thoughts and recommendations about how J2EE software developement should be done in their minds. The 2 guys were Rod Johnson and Juergen Hoeller, the book was J2EE Development without EJB, and they created the spring framework. Right from the beginning they were sharing their thoughts with a community that quickly became larger. I think every Java Developer knows the rest of the story - spring is the leading free open source framework used in enterprise java dev and it is today a subdivision of VMWare. Left aside I have liked it more in its earlier days when it was not so crowded - checking the numbers from their forums there are roughly 80.000 members, the forum which is run by vBulletin flags 5.500 as active. http://forum.springsource.org The interesting story about that is that there was an impressive flow of knowledge from the masterminds to the people that joined in in a way a pyramid of knowledge was building up. The senior members trained the newbies and the newbies trained the next generation and so on. Some members had their own ideas and started subprojects - I remember about security - workflow -webservices and toolSuite. Once these subprojects got a certain size they became an own module in the spring ecosystem with an own forum (and their initiators became employees of springsource and later VMWare). Why am I telling this ? This apporach feels much more community to me as the XWiki community. The Xwiki community seems to be of 2 parts: On one side a small group of people developing the code and giving answers. On the other side questioners that soon drop out once their problem is solved. I wouldn't regard those being part of acommunity - I'd say they are requesters - users just having a service request. It may have to do with the media we are using - mailing lists - which is not encouraging to keep a thread active (or easily visible) over a longer lifecycle. In the years I've been working on spring based projects I have done very rare contributions (requests and answers) to the forum - most of the time a solution to my problem could already be found in the existing contributions. What irony that Sergiu was the only one to remember/find out that this topic had been deeply discussed in 2007 ? Of course you can't compare a framework like spring to a solution like Xwiki and it may be due to the inspiration and charisma of Rod that so many people followed his voice and helped to build a community. Although he was not as democratic as the XWiki founders - a lot of things weren't discussed with the community. In the end it has been to everybodys benefit I guess. Coming back to my topic i cannot imagine how they could have done it just with a mailing list. One final word on the concern that running 2 different systems (a mailing list for devs and a forum for users) might be too much of a burdon for the poeple maintaining it: As for the example of spring there weren't these 2 systems - it was all transparent on the forums. And I'm still very much for hoping this pyramid to build up - at least for the users stuff - that would be a relief for the devs ! Please think about it and reconsider your votes still here is my +1 for the forum (which one to be decided in another thread) with a seperate developers list or not Andreas ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
