Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document Chapters Auto-numbering

[Virgil Arrington]

Robert wrote:.
> Only one hint for this: My first MasterDocument was the Master for the
> German Base Handbook. First I had a little bit problems with styles,
> which are named the same way, but were defined different in the
> separate *.odt-files. After correcting these ther doesn't appear
> problems any more.
>
> When editing a new version of Handbook, I only change the link in my
> filesystem to the special new folder and the new content will be read
> by the master. If have done this for 9 different versions of the
> Handbook, also without any problems and in a very short time.

I'm sure LO's master document works just fine once you get it set up. 
I've just never had the patience (or the pressing need) to get it fully 
set up. I also tend to constantly fiddle with documents, changing a word 
here or there. With a master document, I always have to check myself 
when it doesn't let me directly edit the text. I have to separately open 
the sub-document to do my editing. This is all good and the intended 
function of a master document. I just get frustrated when I have to keep 
reminding myself of this way of working.

Believe me, I'm not trying to open a LO vs. LaTeX debate. I work with 
and love both systems. I was only thinking that most of the questions 
Julian was asking were questions that LaTeX answers without anyone 
having to ask.
>
> The problem for many users: Writer and all other programs for editing
> a normal text have too much functions and too much styles. I remember
> my fist little dtp-program, called Timeworks Publisher: Only 4 styles
> were defined for the whole document for headers and content. Everybody
> knew, which style he/she had to choose for different tasks. Works.
> With Writer I have to learn: Less is more.

+10. Amen. Preach it brother.

Virgil


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document Chapters Auto-numbering

[Robert Großkopf]

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Hi *,
> 
> Now that you're done (I assume), I'll confess to how much our
> discussion has renewed my interest in and appreciation for LaTeX.
> Aside from the insertion of your images, I have to wonder if your
> life would have been easier using LaTeX for your thesis. No
> fiddling with master documents, page margins or fonts... just let
> the computer do it all.

Only one hint for this: My first MasterDocument was the Master for the
German Base Handbook. First I had a little bit problems with styles,
which are named the same way, but were defined different in the
separate *.odt-files. After correcting these ther doesn't appear
problems any more.

When editing a new version of Handbook, I only change the link in my
filesystem to the special new folder and the new content will be read
by the master. If have done this for 9 different versions of the
Handbook, also without any problems and in a very short time.

The problem for many users: Writer and all other programs for editing
a normal text have too much functions and too much styles. I remember
my fist little dtp-program, called Timeworks Publisher: Only 4 styles
were defined for the whole document for headers and content. Everybody
knew, which style he/she had to choose for different tasks. Works.
With Writer I have to learn: Less is more.

Regards

Robert
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document Chapters Auto-numbering

[Virgil Arrington]

Julian,

Now that you're done (I assume), I'll confess to how much our discussion 
has renewed my interest in and appreciation for LaTeX. Aside from the 
insertion of your images, I have to wonder if your life would have been 
easier using LaTeX for your thesis. No fiddling with master documents, 
page margins or fonts... just let the computer do it all.

Several years ago, my teenage son was challenged to write a 50,000 word 
novel in one month during "National Novel Writers Month." (NANOWRIMO). 
The quest was to just write... don't worry about editing... don't worry 
about formatting. Just write.

He accomplished his task on time, but did it with WordPerfect. As you 
can imagine, by using a WYSIWYG word processor, he formatted as he typed 
and it was a mess.

Several years later, I wanted to take his work and update it. As an 
exercise in LaTeX, I took his WordPerfect file and stripped all the 
formatting, saving it as a .txt file. I then inserted some \chapter and 
\section headings, threw in a \tableofcontents command and compiled it 
into a really nice looking book. The whole process took less than a half 
an hour. Now, admittedly, it was a simple book, no images, tables, etc., 
but even still, had I tried to do the same thing with LO or MS-Word, 
especially with master documents, it would have taken much longer, with 
more headaches.

All that said, there have been many times when LaTeX had given me much 
heartache, so I find myself switching back and forth between LaTeX and 
LO. The process of indecision means I get educated in both systems, 
which ain't a bad thing.

Virgil



On 10/16/2016 10:34 AM, Julian Brooks wrote:
> Thanks both so much, great info.
>
> Will check the doc now Robert and report back on how it all transpires.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Julian
>
> On 16 October 2016 at 15:04, Robert Großkopf 
> wrote:
>
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>> Hi Julian,
>>
>>> 1. My Master Documents chapters numbering always starts from 1 -
>>> how can this run concurrently for chapter1, chapter 2 etc etc.?
>>>
>>> 2. My introductory chapter has several subheadings, with the
>>> proviso of the above, how can I auto-number my introductions
>>> subheadings (0.1, 0.1.1 etc.)?
>> Have tested all these. Could it be you have set the style for the
>> headings beginning with '1'.
>>
>> Have uploaded a file. Hope it shows how it works:
>> http://robert.familiegrosskopf.de/download/MasterDoc.zip
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Robert
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document Chapters Auto-numbering

[Ricardo]

El 2016-10-16 19:52, Doug McNutt escribió:




I just picked up a recent technical book with paper pages and no
pushbuttons.  The first few pages are called the PREFACE and the page
numbers therein are noted in lower case Roman numerals like iv, v, vi,
viii. Can LibreOffice do that? The first page would have to be i
because there is no zero.


Sure. Just modify the page style used on the preface, go to the "Page" 
tab and under "Page layout" select the kind of page numbers you need 
from the "Page numbers" drop down menu.







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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document Chapters Auto-numbering

[Doug McNutt]

The problem of counting has been a pain of my life. As a mathematics and 
physics student I learned that there are two kinds of numbers:


Cardinals include a zero, decimal points, and negatives. If you want the 
length of a fence you had better start counting posts with number zero. 
The common 12 inch ruler uses cardinals.


Ordinals, or "counting numbers" start at +1 and do not understand 
fractional parts such as 1.5. There is no zero. Algebra never uses them 
in a formula. They also are the only numbers in the Roman numerals of 
IVCLM fame. That permitted the Arabs, with their cardinals, to beat out 
the Romans with their inability to calculate interest rates.


I just picked up a recent technical book with paper pages and no 
pushbuttons.  The first few pages are called the PREFACE and the page 
numbers therein are noted in lower case Roman numerals like iv, v, vi, 
viii. Can LibreOffice do that? The first page would have to be i because 
there is no zero.


It's not so bad as one might think but it probably advances the logic of 
those who believe the 20th century ended in December 2001.  Somewhere on 
the WWW I found that the Christian era started in such a way that there 
was no +0 or -0 on either side of the famous birth. Those two years, of 
365 days each, do not exist if you're chasing ancestors.


On 10/16/2016 10:34 AM, Julian Brooks wrote:

Thanks both so much, great info.

Will check the doc now Robert and report back on how it all transpires.





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document Chapters Auto-numbering

[Julian Brooks]

Thanks both so much, great info.

Will check the doc now Robert and report back on how it all transpires.

Cheers,

Julian

On 16 October 2016 at 15:04, Robert Großkopf 
wrote:

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> Hi Julian,
>
> > 1. My Master Documents chapters numbering always starts from 1 -
> > how can this run concurrently for chapter1, chapter 2 etc etc.?
> >
> > 2. My introductory chapter has several subheadings, with the
> > proviso of the above, how can I auto-number my introductions
> > subheadings (0.1, 0.1.1 etc.)?
>
> Have tested all these. Could it be you have set the style for the
> headings beginning with '1'.
>
> Have uploaded a file. Hope it shows how it works:
> http://robert.familiegrosskopf.de/download/MasterDoc.zip
>
> Regards
>
> Robert
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document Chapters Auto-numbering

[Robert Großkopf]

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Hi Julian,

> 1. My Master Documents chapters numbering always starts from 1 -
> how can this run concurrently for chapter1, chapter 2 etc etc.?
> 
> 2. My introductory chapter has several subheadings, with the
> proviso of the above, how can I auto-number my introductions
> subheadings (0.1, 0.1.1 etc.)?

Have tested all these. Could it be you have set the style for the
headings beginning with '1'.

Have uploaded a file. Hope it shows how it works:
http://robert.familiegrosskopf.de/download/MasterDoc.zip

Regards

Robert

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document Chapters Auto-numbering

[Ricardo]

Hi!

El 2016-10-16 13:21, Julian Brooks escribió:

HI again,

I have a couple of questions regarding auto-numbering.

Apologies in advance if this has already been answered - I've spent 
umpteen
hours attempting to sort this over several days on and off, pouring 
through

documentation and the archives.

Two questions:

1. My Master Documents chapters numbering always starts from 1 - how 
can

this run concurrently for chapter1, chapter 2 etc etc.?


That's weird, because it should be as you want by default. Without 
seeing the actual document it is quite difficult to guess what's wrong. 
Check if the styles selected on Tools → Outline numbering are the same 
on Master and subdocuments.




2. My introductory chapter has several subheadings, with the proviso of 
the
above, how can I auto-number my introductions subheadings (0.1, 0.1.1 
etc.)?


That's not easy, sorry. It seems Writer belong to the school of thinking 
that says "zero is not a natural number" so even if there is no numbered 
heading before, a subheading will start with "1.1" instead of 0.1.


If you really want a leading zero, I think your only chance is to fake 
the numbering. Remember that you can set an "outline level" to any 
paragraph style on the "Outline and numbering" tab of the style 
definition, so you can "clone" the first and second level paragraph 
styles used on the rest of the document, set those clones to get outline 
level 1 and 2 and then fake the numbering either by writing them by hand 
or by using a sequence field.


You'll need to later fix the TOC, though




Cheers,

Julian


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