Re: What's going on with refactoring?

2019-11-09 Thread Geertjan Wielenga 
No, it hasn’t been only right now for the current release.

Can you report your refactoring issues or point to the specific issues
you’re encountering?

Yes, there have been several performance enhancements, can you spend some
time on the 11.2 features page on netbeans.apache.org?

And, yes, versioning systems are indeed handy when working with tools such
as IDEs.

Gj

On Sat, 9 Nov 2019 at 09:49, Ty Young  wrote:

>
> On 11/9/19 2:29 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>
> We're working hard on implementing the special sauce that nb-javac adds
> into NetBeans itself so that ultimately nb-javac won't be needed at all
> anymore, e.g.:
>
> https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/1319
>
> In the meantime, if you can avoid using nb-javac, even though when it
> works correctly (something else we're trying to fix), it does better than
> not having it, that would be best.
>
> Gj
>
>
> Not having the ability to refactor at all outweighs any supposed
> performance benefit. This really shouldn't be recommended to be installed,
> ever. No one is going to know that refactoring is borked because nb-javac
> is bugged to high hell(and has been for 5 releases now!).
>
>
> Maybe it's just my imagination(or some other system update) but Netbeans
> 11.2 runs faster in general anyway, even without nb-javac.
>
>
> Also regarding the other email: Versioning software isn't meant to be used
> to work around or fix IDE screwups.
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 9:19 AM Ty Young  wrote:
>
>>
>> On 11/9/19 2:09 AM, Thomas Kellerer wrote:
>> > Ty Young schrieb am 09.11.2019 um 08:58:
>> >> On 11/9/19 1:53 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>> >>> What happens when you uninstall nb-javac?
>> >>>
>> >>> Gj
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I deactivated it and still have the same issue.
>> >
>> > Disabling is not enough as I found out, you need to completely remove
>> it.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Well, the plugin loader is borked too then.
>>
>>
>> Anyway, I can rename methods now but i'm a bit too scared to rename any
>> packages or move classes around. Does that work for you after removing it?
>>
>>
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Re: What's going on with refactoring?

2019-11-09 Thread Ty Young 


On 11/9/19 2:29 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
We're working hard on implementing the special sauce that nb-javac 
adds into NetBeans itself so that ultimately nb-javac won't be needed 
at all anymore, e.g.:


https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/1319

In the meantime, if you can avoid using nb-javac, even though when it 
works correctly (something else we're trying to fix), it does better 
than not having it, that would be best.


Gj



Not having the ability to refactor at all outweighs any supposed 
performance benefit. This really shouldn't be recommended to be 
installed, ever. No one is going to know that refactoring is borked 
because nb-javac is bugged to high hell(and has been for 5 releases now!).



Maybe it's just my imagination(or some other system update) but Netbeans 
11.2 runs faster in general anyway, even without nb-javac.



Also regarding the other email: Versioning software isn't meant to be 
used to work around or fix IDE screwups.






On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 9:19 AM Ty Young > wrote:



On 11/9/19 2:09 AM, Thomas Kellerer wrote:
> Ty Young schrieb am 09.11.2019 um 08:58:
>> On 11/9/19 1:53 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>>> What happens when you uninstall nb-javac?
>>>
>>> Gj
>>
>>
>> I deactivated it and still have the same issue.
>
> Disabling is not enough as I found out, you need to completely
remove it.
>
>

Well, the plugin loader is borked too then.


Anyway, I can rename methods now but i'm a bit too scared to
rename any
packages or move classes around. Does that work for you after
removing it?


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Re: What's going on with refactoring?

2019-11-09 Thread Geertjan Wielenga 
On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 9:19 AM Ty Young  wrote:

>
>
>
> Anyway, I can rename methods now but i'm a bit too scared to rename any
> packages or move classes around.



That implies you need to get your code into a versioning system, e.g., on
GitHub.

Gj



> Does that work for you after removing it?
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Re: What's going on with refactoring?

2019-11-09 Thread Geertjan Wielenga 
We're working hard on implementing the special sauce that nb-javac adds
into NetBeans itself so that ultimately nb-javac won't be needed at all
anymore, e.g.:

https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/1319

In the meantime, if you can avoid using nb-javac, even though when it works
correctly (something else we're trying to fix), it does better than not
having it, that would be best.

Gj


On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 9:19 AM Ty Young  wrote:

>
> On 11/9/19 2:09 AM, Thomas Kellerer wrote:
> > Ty Young schrieb am 09.11.2019 um 08:58:
> >> On 11/9/19 1:53 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> >>> What happens when you uninstall nb-javac?
> >>>
> >>> Gj
> >>
> >>
> >> I deactivated it and still have the same issue.
> >
> > Disabling is not enough as I found out, you need to completely remove it.
> >
> >
>
> Well, the plugin loader is borked too then.
>
>
> Anyway, I can rename methods now but i'm a bit too scared to rename any
> packages or move classes around. Does that work for you after removing it?
>
>
> >
> > -
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Re: What's going on with refactoring?

2019-11-09 Thread Ty Young 



On 11/9/19 2:09 AM, Thomas Kellerer wrote:

Ty Young schrieb am 09.11.2019 um 08:58:

On 11/9/19 1:53 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:

What happens when you uninstall nb-javac?

Gj



I deactivated it and still have the same issue.


Disabling is not enough as I found out, you need to completely remove it.




Well, the plugin loader is borked too then.


Anyway, I can rename methods now but i'm a bit too scared to rename any 
packages or move classes around. Does that work for you after removing it?





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Re: What's going on with refactoring?

2019-11-09 Thread Thomas Kellerer 

Ty Young schrieb am 09.11.2019 um 08:58:

On 11/9/19 1:53 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:

What happens when you uninstall nb-javac?

Gj



I deactivated it and still have the same issue.


Disabling is not enough as I found out, you need to completely remove it.



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Re: What's going on with refactoring?

2019-11-08 Thread Ty Young 


On 11/9/19 1:53 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:

What happens when you uninstall nb-javac?

Gj



I deactivated it and still have the same issue.




On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 8:46 AM Ty Young > wrote:


Hi,


Ever since Netbeans 9(technically pre-alpha, where Netbeans was still
under Oracle), refractoring on a modular Ant project package or class
has resulted in exceptions which forces manual refractoring(changing
imports, mostly). This situation hasn't improved since Netbeans 9
and in
Netbeans 11.2 it has somehow gotten worse. Now attempting to
rename any
method results in a "Java Refactoring threw java.lang.AssertionError"
error with zero indication as to why it fails.


What's going on here? Why is refactoring so borked?


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Re: What's going on with refactoring?

2019-11-08 Thread Geertjan Wielenga 
What happens when you uninstall nb-javac?

Gj

On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 8:46 AM Ty Young  wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
> Ever since Netbeans 9(technically pre-alpha, where Netbeans was still
> under Oracle), refractoring on a modular Ant project package or class
> has resulted in exceptions which forces manual refractoring(changing
> imports, mostly). This situation hasn't improved since Netbeans 9 and in
> Netbeans 11.2 it has somehow gotten worse. Now attempting to rename any
> method results in a "Java Refactoring threw java.lang.AssertionError"
> error with zero indication as to why it fails.
>
>
> What's going on here? Why is refactoring so borked?
>
>
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