[USMA:52654] RE: Germany: Thieves swipe 5 tons of chocolate spread

2013-04-08 Thread john
UK almost always uses the tonne (and stated simply as such), whether being used as a specific measurement or colloquially. John F-L From: John M. Steele Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 11:48 PM To: U.S. Metric Association Cc: U.S. Metric Association Subject: [USMA:52642] RE: Germany: Thieves sw

[USMA:52653] Re: Daltons

2013-04-08 Thread Scott Hudnall
We use Da and kDa in our drug manufacturing operations at Genentech/Roche Pharmaceuticals. -- Scott Hudnall On Apr 8, 2013, at 21:32, Paul Trusten wrote: > It takes a long time to achieve de facto deprecation of a unit. If the amu > was replaced by the dalton in 1961, no one reached the auth

[USMA:52652] Re: Daltons

2013-04-08 Thread Paul Trusten
It takes a long time to achieve de facto deprecation of a unit. If the amu was replaced by the dalton in 1961, no one reached the authors of my first science textbooks or teachers with the news (1965). In fact, I never heard of the dalton until the mid-seventies, so we shall probably continue s

[USMA:52651] RE: Germany: Thieves swipe 5 tons of chocolate spread

2013-04-08 Thread contact
According to http://www.onlineconversion.com 1 ton [long, UK] = 2 240 pounds and 1 ton [short, US] = 2 000 pounds David Pearl MetricPioneer.com 503-428-4917 - Message from vliets...@btinternet.com - Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 22:43:33 +0100 From: Martin Vlietstra Reply-To: vliets

[USMA:52650] Re: Daltons

2013-04-08 Thread James Frysinger
Sure, you could express it in yoctograms (or the mass of IGF-1 in zeptograms), Michael. But why would you want to? In a way, the dalton (Da, spelled out name starts in lowercase) is somewhat analogous to but opposite the astronimical unit u_a. One astronomical unit equals approximately

[USMA:52649] RE: Germany: Thieves swipe 5 tons of chocolate spread

2013-04-08 Thread Henschel Mark
I remember standing on a scale in England and being told I am 16 stone. I think I have gained a few kilograms since then, however.I remember something about an ounce of feathers being heavier than an ounce of gold, but just the opposite for pounds or perhaps tons. Maybe it is a pound of gold heavie

[USMA:52648] FW: Re: FW: Metric Time Conversion poses challenges to governments and people

2013-04-08 Thread JohnAltounji
It is definitely a joke. The alternative time that could be used is the so-called military time. John Altounji One size does not fit all. Social promotion ruined Education. From: owner-u...@colostate.edu [mailto:owner-u...@colostate.edu] On Behalf Of John M. Steele Sent: Sunday, April 0

[USMA:52647] Daltons

2013-04-08 Thread Michael Payne
Interesting Unit at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulin-like_growth_factor_1 forth paragraph down: IGF-1 consists of 70 amino acids in a single chain with three intramolecular disulfide bridges. IGF-1 has a molecular weight of 7,649 daltons. There is another page on Daltons http://en.wikiped

[USMA:52646] RE: Germany: Thieves swipe 5 tons of chocolate spread

2013-04-08 Thread John M. Steele
Density of seawater is commonly taken as 64 lb/ft³, so 35 ft³ is exactly 2240 lb (fresh water is commonly taken as 62.4 lb/ft³, the difference is important on the Great Lakes, and, I assume, in navigable rivers). Perhaps more important, in the metric system article of the AP Stylebook, they

[USMA:52645] Re: Unclear use of radiation units

2013-04-08 Thread James Frysinger
Their methodology seems sound, John. I cannot vet their dose conversion factors without digging up some information and doing the subsequent calculations. I did not bother checking their arithmetic, therefore. Just the activity levels seemed benign to me. Background radiation as determined by

[USMA:52644] RE: Germany: Thieves swipe 5 tons of chocolate spread

2013-04-08 Thread James Frysinger
You are correct, Mark. The short ton (2000 lb) is the one meant by the simple name "ton" for most applications; the term "short ton" is hardly ever used except to distinguish it in discussions such as this. The long ton is used most notably in the maritime industry for vessel capacities ("tonna

[USMA:52643] RE: The U.S. Isn't as Anti-metric as You Think

2013-04-08 Thread John M. Steele
I don't believe there is or was a troy ton; I've never seen a definition.  Rowlett's Units of Measures says the troy pound was abolished in 1878 (I presume in the UK) to avoid confusion with the av. pound. (But Handbook 44 defines the troy pound as 12 troy oz.) _

[USMA:52642] RE: Germany: Thieves swipe 5 tons of chocolate spread

2013-04-08 Thread John M. Steele
Per NIST Handbook 44, Appendix C, if the word is unmodified, the short hundredweight and ton are meant.  Long hundredweights and tons must be declared such (in the US), "short" is optional and may be omitted, but understood. I assume in the UK the long hundredweight and ton would the default and

[USMA:52641] RE: Germany: Thieves swipe 5 tons of chocolate spread

2013-04-08 Thread John M. Steele
Since we don't believe in stones, we consider a 100 lb hundredweight FAR more logical than a 112 lb hundredweight (which sounds like a trick question).  That leads to a 2000 lb ton in the US. :) From: Martin Vlietstra To: U.S. Metric Association Sent: Mon, A

[USMA:52640] RE: Germany: Thieves swipe 5 tons of chocolate spread

2013-04-08 Thread Henschel Mark
We have both short tons and long tons. I think the short ton is 2,000 pounds whereas the long ton is based on the hundredweight, which is 112 pounds (sic). So a long ton in the USA could very well be 2240 pounds. Mark- Original Message -From: Martin Vlietstra Date: Monday, April 8, 2013 4:4

[USMA:52639] RE: The U.S. Isn't as Anti-metric as You Think

2013-04-08 Thread Henschel Mark
When we get to tons, however, the situation is reversed. If I remember correctly and avoirdupois ton is heavier than a troy ton. Mark- Original Message -From: Martin Vlietstra Date: Monday, April 8, 2013 4:51 pmSubject: [USMA:52637] RE: The U.S. Isn't as Anti-metric as You ThinkTo: "U.S. Me

[USMA:52638] Re: The U.S. Isn't as Anti-metric as You Think

2013-04-08 Thread Martin Vlietstra
I agree with John. The Wikipedia article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metric_system catalogues the most important prefixes (at least my view of them). They run from “nano” (used in “nanotechnology”) to “tera” (used in terabytes). From: owner-u...@colostate.edu [mailto:owner-u...@colostate.ed

[USMA:52637] RE: The U.S. Isn't as Anti-metric as You Think

2013-04-08 Thread Martin Vlietstra
Question: Which is heavier, an ounce of feathers or an ounce of gold? Answer: An ounce of gold because it would be a troy ounce, while an ounce of feathers would be an avoirdupois ounce. How many people would believe this? -Original Message- From: owner-u...@colostate.edu [mailto:owner-u.

[USMA:52636] RE: Germany: Thieves swipe 5 tons of chocolate spread

2013-04-08 Thread Martin Vlietstra
But they got their conversion wrong – 1 tonne is 2209 lbs and an ordinary ton is 2240 lbs (at least that is what I was taught in school in South Africa), or is something different in the United States? ;-) Martin Vlietstra From: owner-u...@colostate.edu [mailto:owner-u...@colostate.edu

[USMA:52635] Re: The U.S. Isn't as Anti-metric as You Think

2013-04-08 Thread John M. Steele
I agree with most of your points.  I even agree that problems like "how many nanometers in a kilometer" just teach children to hate the metric system. However, I have to take issue on the decimeter for two reasons: *To understand metric, you have to understand the system of prefixes.  Perhaps a

[USMA:52634] Re: The U.S. Isn't as Anti-metric as You Think

2013-04-08 Thread john
Very well said! I have a Kindle book (Metric made me Sick - But I'm better Now) that says essentially the same thing - we look upon most measures as comparisons. This is bigger than that, that is less than the other, regardless of what measurement units are being used. There is not much that w

[USMA:52633] Answer lies in the Question? RE: The U.S. Isn't as Anti-metric as You Think

2013-04-08 Thread Brij Bhushan Vij
Martin Morrison, Sirs:>." The quiz show "Are You > Smarter than a Fifth Grader?" recently had a third-grade question: "How > many decimetres are there in a metre?"The failure of Metric System in US is > not because 'children DO NOT wish to learn" BUT because they get confronted > with DUA

[USMA:52632] Re: Unclear use of radiation units

2013-04-08 Thread John M. Steele
Jim: Two proposed tests for whether they are crying wolf: *(Serious one):  Take a look at the FAO link I posted (FAO is UN's Food & Agriculture Organization).  They outline two approaches which I think may sense but I am not very familiar with radiological calculations.  By either of FAO's app

[USMA:52631] The U.S. Isn't as Anti-metric as You Think

2013-04-08 Thread csm
The recent exchange on this list about radiological units raises a bigger point that is often missed in discussions on the metric vs. customary systems with the public. When it comes to most measurements, people are not as wedded to the customary system as they think. Outside of a few common

[USMA:52630] Re: Unclear use of radiation units

2013-04-08 Thread James Frysinger
The article is useless and poorly written, as many here have pointed out. I have significant experience in radiological controls for human exposure and nothing here provides me with sufficient data to estimate resulting exposures. It does serve one sole purpose, perhaps its only intended one -

[USMA:52629] Germany: Thieves swipe 5 tons of chocolate spread

2013-04-08 Thread John M. Steele
Amazingly, it is an AP article and they are metric tons. http://news.yahoo.com/germany-thieves-swipe-5-tons-chocolate-spread-103316137.html BERLIN (AP) — These thieves might really have sticky fingers. Police said Monday an unknown number of culprits made off with 5 metric tons (5.5 tons) of Nute

[USMA:52628] RE: Unclear use of radiation units

2013-04-08 Thread Martin Vlietstra
I agree, the writer of the article appears not to have a clue what (s)he is writing about. The author does not appear to understand the difference between Bq/kg and Sv. -Original Message- From: owner-u...@colostate.edu [mailto:owner-u...@colostate.edu] On Behalf Of Pierre Abbat Sent: 0

[USMA:52627] Fw: Unclear use of radiation units

2013-04-08 Thread John M. Steele
I don't claim to entirely understand this, but FAO seems to consider 1000 Bq/kg from all isotopes other than plutonium a reasonable limit for radioactivty in food.  So the food looks OK, the water which he largely ignored looks like a big problem. http://www.fao.org/docrep/u5900t/u5900t08.htm

[USMA:52626] Re: Unclear use of radiation units

2013-04-08 Thread John M. Steele
What is more amazing is that a few becquerels per kilogram in food makes the top of the article, but a few thousand becquerels per kilogram in water falls near the end of the article.  Don't most people drink an amount of water daily approximately equal to their food intake?  It seems to me