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From: Stephen Davis stevo.da...@btinternet.com
To: U.S. Metric Association usma@colostate.edu
Sent: Thu, February 18, 2010 2:29:06 PM
Subject: [USMA:46681] RE: And, by the way..
Perhaps we could steer this more
This is good to see. This part of Arizona is even more metricated than the UK
in regard to road signs. Is this a permanent measure?
It's time the UK stopped running scared of the anti-EU press and introduced
similar signs!
- Original Message -
From: Parker Willey Jr.
To: U.S.
The vast majority of things in the UK are fully metric, John.
The only time you will really see mixed units is with loose goods like fruit
and veg on market stalls. The metric measurement must be more pronounced than
the imperial measurement. This is largely academic since these items must be
given them.
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From: owner-u...@colostate.edu [mailto:owner-u...@colostate.edu] On Behalf Of
Stephen Davis
Sent: 23 February 2010 20:25
To: U.S. Metric Association
Subject: [USMA:46739] Re: metric products UK
having been given them.
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From: owner-u...@colostate.edu [mailto:owner-u...@colostate.edu] On Behalf Of
Stephen Davis
Sent: 23 February 2010 20:25
To: U.S. Metric Association
Subject: [USMA:46739] Re: metric
I'm not entirely certain why you are sharing the comments below with us.
- Original Message -
From: Stephen Humphreys
To: U.S. Metric Association
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 2:53 PM
Subject: [USMA:46838] RE: Ireland and UK
I think - regarding the historical context - we
As a footnote - I always think you should concentrate on trade reasons for
going metric.
With roadsigns and the like it looks more 'anti-imperial' than 'pro-metric' and
many people will just see it as some people's personal beef being played out at
a national level - if that makes any sense.
You'll have to ask Mr Steele whether he was being anti-imperial or pro-metric.
I was referring to your comment, so it would be rather a waste of time asking
Mr Steel about a comment you made, wouldn't it?
Weights and measures at work - I am currently involved with a big security
cleared
I think in the US, to be pro-metric and successfully advocate it, you also
have to be somewhat anti-Customary Choice, ie, indifference as to which
measurement is used, is part of the problem and causes errors to be made by
increasing complexity (Mars Climate orbiter, Gimli glider, assorted
If you could be as polite as the other members of this forum it would be a
bonus (See J.Steele's response to me regarding being anti-customary but not a
nutcase). Until then I'm going to ignore your 'contributions' if that's ok?
But I'm the height of politeness, Steve, I am really. And if you
Archery in schools? There's posh!! :-)
Seriously though, its good to know that this sport is now using metric
measurements. OK, its pretty much a minority sport (or is it massively
popular in the US? :-)) but it's nice to see all the same.
I used to know this absolutely gorgeous girl when
Sorry to refer to the UK again (its just that the UK is in my sphere of
experience) but, in the last few years, certain US imports, particularly
deoderants, are coming into UK ahops with floz readings on the boxes and
cannisters..
I'm not sure if this is legal or not, but I would strongly
.
- Original Message -
From: John M. Steele
To: Stephen Davis ; U.S. Metric Association
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 4:33 PM
Subject: Re: [USMA:46886] Re: The Good the Bad
Are those deodorants ALSO labeled with metric? Dual is the law here (US).
If the floz are only
There are other things - like long running British companies using traditional
looking containers which use floz. Check out the soaps in John Lewis outlets -
I can't for the life of me remember what the manufacurer is but one of the posh
ones quotes floz next to mL.
There may well be soaps
It's been some time since Ireland switched so it is interesting to hear the
use of imperial for walking (and thus road) distances. I wonder if it's simply
down to 'convenient talking' - ie that 'yard' is single syllable to 'metre's'
two.
Probably. But that's maybe slightly misleading.
I'm not sure on this one, so I probably am wrong but, aren't hours, minutes
and seconds accepted as SI units anyway?
If this is the case, then there's little problem with describing a distance as
km/h surely?
- Original Message -
From: John Frewen-Lord
To: U.S. Metric
It's all very well letting metrication succeed on its own merits but, when
you a vocal, usually right-wing press presenting metrication as some sort of
socialist plot to destroy their basic freedom to measure how they like, it
becomes rather difficult to succeed on your own merits. The US has
they are from
safe districts or states where their re-election is never in doubt.)
Yes, I know there's a lot of hidden metric in the USA. But a visitor to
this country would never notice it.
Carleton
- Original Message -
From: Stephen Davis stevo.da...@btinternet.com
To: U.S
Metric is base 10; decimal and decimal currency is base 10.
Both divide up and down by units of 10:
5p - 50p - £5
5cm - 50cm - 500cm (or 5 metres).
Both divide into decimal fractions of 10:
£1.45 - £14.50 - £145
1.45cm - 14.5cm - 145cm (or 1 metre, 45cm)
The only real difference is that
I have a single unit/item called a 20p coin. 5 of these and I will have £1.00.
If I have a 50p coin I have half of £1 (£1 being 100 pence).
I also have far too many 2p pieces. Fifty of them make up a pound (£1)
Rather nicer is this £20 note. You can do the math(s) relating to all the
other
Indeed, Martin - you concur with my point. The dollar (or any currency) has
no prototype defining a fixed constant value. Most currencies either float or
are alinged to one that floats.
..Except in the way you count it or measure quantities of money.
Sure, the VALUE of decimal money
I guess that in itself proves my point about metric/decimalisation. Sort of.
IMHO. ;-)
No it doesn't! Anything like!
- Original Message -
From: Stephen Humphreys
To: U.S. Metric Association
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 11:08 PM
Subject: [USMA:47117] RE: Decimal currency
I used to disagree with measuring everything in millimetres. I believed (for
some reason) that not refering to 10mm as 1cm and 100cm as 1 metre would be
confusing to people, I can now see that one unit of measurement, the
millimetre, is better and far less confusing. I believe millimetres
The email address to the USMA listserver hasn't been slightly changed, has it?
About three or four of my previous posts seem to have disappeared into the
ether!
- Original Message -
From: Andrew Winn
To: U.S. Metric Association
Cc: U.S. Metric Association
Sent: Thursday,
Fourth time lucky! Againendless apologies if other listserver members have
has this post trpeated as infinitum!!
Regards,
Steve.
stevo.da...@btinternet.com
- Original Message -
From: Stephen Davis
To: U.S. Metric Association
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 6:58 PM
HALLELUJAH
- Original Message -
From: Stephen Davis
To: U.S. Metric Association
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 7:25 PM
Subject: [USMA:47140] RE: Decimal currency Metrication
Cars
All cars in the world (including all those in the USA) have been fully metric
since
endless apologies if other listserver members
have has this post trpeated as infinitum!!
Regards,
Steve.
stevo.da...@btinternet.com
- Original Message -
From: Stephen Davis
To: U.S. Metric Association
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 6:58 PM
Subject
Degrees F are now only found in the US.
Three guesses who it is on this listserver that will somehow find examples of
fahrenheit in UK newspapers when nobody else can! :-)
- Original Message -
From: John Frewen-Lord
To: U.S. Metric Association
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010
/everyday.html
Fourth time lucky! Againendless apologies if other listserver members
have has this post trpeated as infinitum!!
Regards,
Steve.
stevo.da...@btinternet.com
- Original Message -
From: Stephen Davis
To: U.S. Metric
The online versions of those newspapers may well bot mention fahrenheit, but
I'm afraid the Daily Mirror does in the actual newspaper.
Strangely enough, the reports referring to the UK weather contained not a trace
of fahrenheit, yet the reports for the temperature in countries abroad were a
I'm afraid there is a certain person on this listserver (you know who you are)
who I've already told once a little while ago to stop sending me unsolicited
and unwanted emails.
If that person doesn't desist from doing this, I'm afraid I'm going to put in a
complaint about this person or tell
But the USA is the king of the marketers using every trick in the book
to sell more. Gas is even worse at 2.99 9/10 pre gallon.
God! What's the matter with saying 299.9 cents? This would have to be rounded
up to $3.00 anyway, wouldn't it?
Surely its not that difficult to understand that 0.9 =
of low price parts
like fasteners. At work, we commonly used prices to four or five decimals.
Obviously in any purchase, they must be extended by a quantity first, then
rounded.
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From: Stephen Davis stevo.da
Well, sometimes Roman numerals are concise.
Yes, but I sure wouldn't want to multiply and divide them.
And how exactly do you fraction roman numerals? :-)
- Original Message -
From: Paul Trusten
To: U.S. Metric Association
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 5:09 PM
Subject:
: Sent to the white house
On Wednesday 21 April 2010 12:42:56 Stephen Davis wrote:
Well, sometimes Roman numerals are concise.
Yes, but I sure wouldn't want to multiply and divide them.
And how exactly do you fraction roman numerals? :-)
With Egyptian fractions - e.g. CIRIVRXIVRCCLXXX (can you
Conversely I remember a French chap say 'yards' when I worked for a European
HQ for a very large company in Britain.
Of course you do! Most French people probably aren't aware of what a yard is,
let alone mention one in conversation.
However, because you are well aware nobody can prove this
Most people who use their own experience as examples to provide interesting
information or insights do so knowing that it can be impossible to back it up.
In this case it happened a few years back so, someone I am no longer in contact
with who, like me, has left the company we met at, would
Test message. Please ignore!
John Frewen Lord calls me a wind up merchant
You are! ;-)
- Original Message -
From: Stephen Humphreys
To: U.S. Metric Association
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 5:24 PM
Subject: [USMA:47484] Re: Opponents of metrication change
Thanks for your words, John - you would make
I would greatly appreciate it if certain people refrained from sending big
video attachments with their emails. This particular one was 7.33MB and as I
only have dial-up, it took more than an hour to download the damn thing.
Maybe send it as a zip file next time?
Pat, this is yet another made up story from the usual right-wing lunatic fringe.
It joins a long line of anti-EU stories including Britain having to have
straight bananas, trawler fisherman having to wear compulsory hairnets and
trapeze artists forced to wear hard hats due to EU health safety
Come off it, Steve...the story is total b**s!! Excuse my frankness, but I
loss patience with the press trying to give these stories any type of
creedence, probably with a sly wink!!
The brilliant QI programme on the BBC with Stephen Fry once spent the latter
half of one instalment devoted
I know the truth is somewhere in the middle
Oh dear, Mr Humphrey's is in mischief mode again.serves me right for rising
to it, I suppose. :-)
You don't know the truth is in the middle Steve, because it's a total non-story
that's been completely made up! It has no basis in fact whatsoever.
Was he? It could be that he was frustrated because he didn't understand
English very well and his court didn't understand German and people thought he
was mad.
Didn't you see that film? :-)
- Original Message -
From: Martin Vlietstra
To: 'Ametrica'
Cc: 'Chernack Phil'
Other than the obvious road signs and pint glasses in pubs, I see no other
major uses of non-metric in the UK (the pint glass issue is somewhat a minor
issue). Being a pro-metric person who wants total metrication you may see this
as the UK not being as fully metric as you would like it.
Pretty much as predicted, really.
...And, unfortunately for you, the vast majority of it absolute fact!
Try harder, Steve!
- Original Message -
From: Stephen Humphreys
To: U.S. Metric Association
Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 2:04 PM
Subject: [USMA:48125] RE: Wrong time to
Steve:
There are kilometre signs on all British motorway's -not opinion, fact.
99.9 per cent of pre-packaged goods are in hard metric-not opinion, fact.
All loose goods in supermarkets are weighed in metric at the checkout, not
opinion - fact.
There are dual measurement signs on British
Oh my, Steve:
I could seriously embarrass you by putting up a copy of that wonderful email
you sent me. In fact, if you keep this up, I just might!
Seriously mate, are these the tactics you stoop to every time things get a
little heated?
If you don't like what I have to say, fine, but
I'm referring to a certain Mr.Humphreys here, by the way!
- Original Message -
From: Stephen Davis
To: U.S. Metric Association
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 1:53 PM
Subject: [USMA:48191] Off topic:Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear!!
Oh my, Steve:
I could seriously embarrass you
in regard to this
matter.
Thank you,
Stephen Davis.
The USMA is a great place for like minded people to discuss, and at times,
argue, about the merits for and against metric.
Yes, occasionally, temperatures will get raised and heated debate, admittedly
sometimes fairly pointless debate, will ensue.
I have no problem with anyone on this site
- one of the anomalies is the M4 where only the English
part has driver location signs.
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From: owner-u...@colostate.edu [mailto:owner-u...@colostate.edu] On Behalf Of
Stephen Davis
Sent: 09 July 2010 19:28
Yup, the only country left in the EU that has any sort of use for them.
As for the pint, I confidently predict that if UK weights and Measures added
32ml to the 568ml pint glass, bringing it up to a 600ml (or 60cl) glass and
only charged a bit extra for your beer\lager\cider (delete as
Are carpet lengths in the US sold by the sq yard? Of course, gasoline sales
are still in gallons over there.
If carpet sales are indeed still in sq yards in the US, (I suspect they are) it
may well be worth the US government trying to metricate these two things, that
is, sq metres for carpet
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From: Stephen Davis stevo.da...@btinternet.com
To: U.S. Metric Association usma@colostate.edu
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 11:23:24 AM
Subject: [USMA:48238] Question about US carpet sales.
Are carpet lengths in the US sold by the sq yard? Of course, gasoline sales
are still
I have been away since the 22nd of July and noticed that there has been no
emails from the USMA listserver between the 23rd and the 27th of July.
Have a just not received them for some reason or has it been a remarkably slow
week?
, I figured I lost something in the changeover to
outlook. I'm glad I'm still here.
From: owner-u...@colostate.edu [mailto:owner-u...@colostate.edu] On Behalf Of
Stephen Davis
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 2:34 PM
To: U.S. Metric Association
Subject: [USMA:48279] Off Topic: Slow Week
How much is one per cent of a hundred dollars?
Teacher: I'll tell you what - I'll give you one dollar if you get it right!
:-)
- Original Message -
From: Pat Naughtin
To: U.S. Metric Association
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 10:57 AM
Subject: [USMA:48975] Numeracy
By the way, when you say:
Draught beer is not sold in 570ml measures
don't you mean that beer is sold in pints that are defined by the metric system
as between 568.3 mL and approx 604 mL. That is, the word pint was chosen by
Maggie Thatcher to hide the fact that the UK sells beer according to
... the fact that shelf edge imperial still exists and is printed in most
stores - strangely missed out down there!!
I shop at a Morrison's supermarket almost every day and not once have I noticed
any shelf edge imperial.
Every shelf (and just about every item) has metric measurements ONLY on
wish drop into the
local Tesco and report its true metricness.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudwater,_Buckinghamshire
[USMA:50513] Re: Coffee mug
Stephen Davis
Fri, 27 May 2011 05:34:08 -0700
... the fact that shelf edge imperial still exists and is printed in most
stores - strangely
It's up to you if you want to believe the fruitcake who STILL beleives that pub
lager is sold metrically, Pat - it really doesn't bother me too much - just
that some people might actually believe him (having said that, the majority of
the list forum say they put his incarnations in the junk box
.although Mr Humphrey's has moved the goalposts on this debate, (yet again)
I'm afraid it is correct that there is metric AND imperial signs in certain
supermarkets in the UK.
However, I hasten to add, this is for loose fruit and veg ONLY! I don't know
how widespread it is and I have no
have been travelling towards full metrication since 1965...I think its about
time we finally arrived there, don't you?
- Original Message -
From: ezra.steinb...@comcast.net
To: Stephen Davis
Cc: U.S. Metric Association
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 11:45 PM
Subject: Re
for the
populace to complete the mental shift to 100% metric.
-- Ezra
- Original Message -
From: Stephen Davis stevo.da...@btinternet.com
To: U.S. Metric Association usma@colostate.edu
Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2011 9:46:09 AM
Subject: [USMA:50566] Unfortunately
a very little less
in reality) for their money.
Seems pretty pointless to me.
- Original Message -
From: Stephen Davis
To: Kilopascal
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: [USMA:50549] Re: Fwd: ASDA pound campaign
If they have changed strawberry containers to 454g (I
Martin,
Your comment parallels a similar comment I read on the American Spectator
called the Economics of Settlement.
http://spectator.org/archives/2011/06/08/the-economics-of-settlement
It documents the Jewish settlement of Palestine. Basically before the Jews
came, the land was a barren
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