Re: [vdr] Syncearly + subtitles problem
On Tuesday 21 of October 2008, Hannu Tirkkonen wrote: Ales Jurik wrote: On Monday 20 of October 2008, Hannu Tirkkonen wrote: Josce The subtitles and ttxtsubs are in sync when watching live... but The same problem with too early exists on recordings. vdr 1.7.0 with reelbox plugin 9044: VDR-Extensions-Patch-62/vdr-1.7.0_extensions.diff DR-Extensions-Patch-62/vdr-1.7.0-ext_h264.diff vdr170-ext-h264-rmm-svn8858-patch.diff There's a ReplayDelay option on ttxtsubs, but is it possible to get the (customized) delay also for the subtitles as well? ...hanu I don't see such problem: vdr-1.7.0 with reelbox plugin 9044 - vdr-1.7.0-h264-syncearly-framespersec-audioindexer-fielddetection-speedup - vdr170-h264-rmm-svn8858-patch BR, Ales Just finished the clean installation of vdr-1.7.0 with same patches: vdr-1.7.0 with reelbox plugin 9044 vdr-1.7.0-h264-syncearly-framespersec-audioindexer-fielddetection-speedup vdr170-h264-rmm-svn8858-patch The subtitles and ttxtsubs appears ~ 6 seconds too early. I can live with the ttxtsubs, because of the option ReplayDelay (5000), but watching the recordings with subtitles is quite annoying.. The recordings with ttxtsubs and subtitles are from Thor (S1.0W) (dvb-s/dvb-s2) and local Finnish (dvb-c) broadcaster Welho. (Canal Digital and Yle stuff...) I'll try to get a sample recordings uploaded somewhere tomorrow. I've tried to record 10mins samples from few channels other than I'm normally watching (with dvb-subtitles). It seems to me that recordings from some channels have problems you've reported, from other channels recordings are replayed without problems. The delay (time dvb-subtitles is displayed earlier) seems to be 0 at beginning od such recording and is increased and within 10 mins it reaches up to 6 secs. I'm not sure as I don't have too much time to test but channels with problems have only one dvb-subtitles stream and are dvb-s. I didn't found dvb-s2 channel with sync subtitles problem. But normally I'm using NatGeo (UPC, 19.2E) which is broadcasting also dvb-s and only one dvb-subtitles stream and no problems is there. So it is not necessary to upload the problematic recording for me (but maybe someone from reelmutimedia will be interested in). I already have such. BR, Ales ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Syncearly + subtitles problem
I'm not sure as I don't have too much time to test but channels with problems have only one dvb-subtitles stream and are dvb-s. I didn't found dvb-s2 channel with sync subtitles problem. But normally I'm using NatGeo (UPC, 19.2E) which is broadcasting also dvb-s and only one dvb-subtitles stream and no problems is there. So it is not necessary to upload the problematic recording for me (but maybe someone from reelmutimedia will be interested in). I already have such. BR, Ales The reason for this is explained here: http://www.linuxtv.org/pipermail/vdr/2008-October/018072.html So now we just have to be patient and hope that someone who knows how to fix it fixes it. If Klaus has the time I would really like to see an extra setting in the subtitles setup where one could always have the delay as explained in my previous post. Josce ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Syncearly + subtitles problem
On Tuesday 21 of October 2008, Josce wrote: I'm not sure as I don't have too much time to test but channels with problems have only one dvb-subtitles stream and are dvb-s. I didn't found dvb-s2 channel with sync subtitles problem. But normally I'm using NatGeo (UPC, 19.2E) which is broadcasting also dvb-s and only one dvb-subtitles stream and no problems is there. So it is not necessary to upload the problematic recording for me (but maybe someone from reelmutimedia will be interested in). I already have such. BR, Ales The reason for this is explained here: http://www.linuxtv.org/pipermail/vdr/2008-October/018072.html So now we just have to be patient and hope that someone who knows how to fix it fixes it. I've read this mail but now I've done test recording 47mins long (National Geographic, UPC, 19.2E) and when replaying it (without using any speed change within replaying) the dvb-subtitles were in sync for whole 47 minutes. So I do not understand why the problems appears only at specific channels. BR, Ales ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Syncearly + subtitles problem
The reason for this is explained here: http://www.linuxtv.org/pipermail/vdr/2008-October/018072.html So now we just have to be patient and hope that someone who knows how to fix it fixes it. I've read this mail but now I've done test recording 47mins long (National Geographic, UPC, 19.2E) and when replaying it (without using any speed change within replaying) the dvb-subtitles were in sync for whole 47 minutes. So I do not understand why the problems appears only at specific channels. Are you sure that this recording doesn't have the subtitle burned in? What happens when you turn off the dvb-subtitle support in VDR? Josce ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Syncearly + subtitles problem
On Tuesday 21 of October 2008, Josce wrote: The reason for this is explained here: http://www.linuxtv.org/pipermail/vdr/2008-October/018072.html So now we just have to be patient and hope that someone who knows how to fix it fixes it. I've read this mail but now I've done test recording 47mins long (National Geographic, UPC, 19.2E) and when replaying it (without using any speed change within replaying) the dvb-subtitles were in sync for whole 47 minutes. So I do not understand why the problems appears only at specific channels. Are you sure that this recording doesn't have the subtitle burned in? What happens when you turn off the dvb-subtitle support in VDR? Yes, I'm sure. Normally, I'm watching this channel without subtitles as it is broacasted in english and polish languages (no problem for me). For this test I've switch the dvb-subtitles by sub key on IR :) to cze. If you want I'll try on another channel too. I'm able to receive sats from 53.0E to 30.0W. BR, Ales ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Syncearly + subtitles problem
Josce wrote: I am having problems with subtitles: - vdr 1.6.0 - vdr-1.5.18-h264-syncearly-framespersec-audioindexer-fielddetection-speedup.diff - vdr-1.6.0-truecolor-compile_fixes.diff - reelbox plugin The subtitles appear 6-10 seconds too early, which is really annoying. Tested the recordings on a vdr 1.6.0 + FF without the patches and the subtitles were displayed correctly. I imagine it has something to do with the syncearly, but can't say for sure. Can I somehow disable the syncearly part of the patches to verify that this indeed is the problem. ( I need the patches because I can't compile vdr + reelbox plugin without them ) Josce The subtitles and ttxtsubs are in sync when watching live... but The same problem with too early exists on recordings. vdr 1.7.0 with reelbox plugin 9044: VDR-Extensions-Patch-62/vdr-1.7.0_extensions.diff DR-Extensions-Patch-62/vdr-1.7.0-ext_h264.diff vdr170-ext-h264-rmm-svn8858-patch.diff There's a ReplayDelay option on ttxtsubs, but is it possible to get the (customized) delay also for the subtitles as well? ...hanu ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Syncearly + subtitles problem
On Monday 20 of October 2008, Hannu Tirkkonen wrote: Josce wrote: I am having problems with subtitles: - vdr 1.6.0 - vdr-1.5.18-h264-syncearly-framespersec-audioindexer-fielddetection-speedu p.diff - vdr-1.6.0-truecolor-compile_fixes.diff - reelbox plugin The subtitles appear 6-10 seconds too early, which is really annoying. Tested the recordings on a vdr 1.6.0 + FF without the patches and the subtitles were displayed correctly. I imagine it has something to do with the syncearly, but can't say for sure. Can I somehow disable the syncearly part of the patches to verify that this indeed is the problem. ( I need the patches because I can't compile vdr + reelbox plugin without them ) Josce The subtitles and ttxtsubs are in sync when watching live... but The same problem with too early exists on recordings. vdr 1.7.0 with reelbox plugin 9044: VDR-Extensions-Patch-62/vdr-1.7.0_extensions.diff DR-Extensions-Patch-62/vdr-1.7.0-ext_h264.diff vdr170-ext-h264-rmm-svn8858-patch.diff There's a ReplayDelay option on ttxtsubs, but is it possible to get the (customized) delay also for the subtitles as well? ...hanu I don't see such problem: vdr-1.7.0 with reelbox plugin 9044 - vdr-1.7.0-h264-syncearly-framespersec-audioindexer-fielddetection-speedup - vdr170-h264-rmm-svn8858-patch BR, Ales ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Syncearly + subtitles problem
At 11:40 20-10-2008 +0200, you wrote: On Monday 20 of October 2008, Hannu Tirkkonen wrote: Josce wrote: I am having problems with subtitles: - vdr 1.6.0 - vdr-1.5.18-h264-syncearly-framespersec-audioindexer-fielddetection-speedup.diff - vdr-1.6.0-truecolor-compile_fixes.diff - reelbox plugin The subtitles appear 6-10 seconds too early, which is really annoying. Tested the recordings on a vdr 1.6.0 + FF without the patches and the subtitles were displayed correctly. I imagine it has something to do with the syncearly, but can't say for sure. Can I somehow disable the syncearly part of the patches to verify that this indeed is the problem. ( I need the patches because I can't compile vdr + reelbox plugin without them ) The subtitles and ttxtsubs are in sync when watching live... but The same problem with too early exists on recordings. vdr 1.7.0 with reelbox plugin 9044: VDR-Extensions-Patch-62/vdr-1.7.0_extensions.diff DR-Extensions-Patch-62/vdr-1.7.0-ext_h264.diff vdr170-ext-h264-rmm-svn8858-patch.diff There's a ReplayDelay option on ttxtsubs, but is it possible to get the (customized) delay also for the subtitles as well? I don't see such problem: vdr-1.7.0 with reelbox plugin 9044 - vdr-1.7.0-h264-syncearly-framespersec-audioindexer-fielddetection-speedup - vdr170-h264-rmm-svn8858-patch Glad to hear that it works for you :) Checked out reelbox plugin 9053 and I still have the problem. When and where was this fixed? Should I re-install all reelbox files? If I want to apply a quick fix, how can I delay the subtitles? The subtitles seems to be 6-7 seconds too early. I have recorded a very good German film that I'd like to watch, but my German is still not good enough so sometimes I need a little help from the subtitles to be able to follow the plot Having said that, a setting that would enable me to always have the subtitles delayed a little would be a very nice feature. This would help me improve my German. When watching German films I could always first try to understand the speech and when there is something that I don't understand I could read the subtitles. Josce ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Syncearly + subtitles problem
On Monday 20 of October 2008, Josce wrote: At 11:40 20-10-2008 +0200, you wrote: On Monday 20 of October 2008, Hannu Tirkkonen wrote: Josce wrote: I am having problems with subtitles: - vdr 1.6.0 - vdr-1.5.18-h264-syncearly-framespersec-audioindexer-fielddetection-spee dup.diff - vdr-1.6.0-truecolor-compile_fixes.diff - reelbox plugin The subtitles appear 6-10 seconds too early, which is really annoying. Tested the recordings on a vdr 1.6.0 + FF without the patches and the subtitles were displayed correctly. I imagine it has something to do with the syncearly, but can't say for sure. Can I somehow disable the syncearly part of the patches to verify that this indeed is the problem. ( I need the patches because I can't compile vdr + reelbox plugin without them ) The subtitles and ttxtsubs are in sync when watching live... but The same problem with too early exists on recordings. vdr 1.7.0 with reelbox plugin 9044: VDR-Extensions-Patch-62/vdr-1.7.0_extensions.diff DR-Extensions-Patch-62/vdr-1.7.0-ext_h264.diff vdr170-ext-h264-rmm-svn8858-patch.diff There's a ReplayDelay option on ttxtsubs, but is it possible to get the (customized) delay also for the subtitles as well? I don't see such problem: vdr-1.7.0 with reelbox plugin 9044 - vdr-1.7.0-h264-syncearly-framespersec-audioindexer-fielddetection-speedup - vdr170-h264-rmm-svn8858-patch Glad to hear that it works for you :) Checked out reelbox plugin 9053 and I still have the problem. When and where was this fixed? Should I re-install all reelbox files? If I want to apply a quick fix, how can I delay the subtitles? The subtitles seems to be 6-7 seconds too early. I have recorded a very good German film that I'd like to watch, but my German is still not good enough so sometimes I need a little help from the subtitles to be able to follow the plot Having said that, a setting that would enable me to always have the subtitles delayed a little would be a very nice feature. This would help me improve my German. When watching German films I could always first try to understand the speech and when there is something that I don't understand I could read the subtitles. Coul'd you upload part of that problematic recordings (approx. 100MB) somewhere - I could try to test it in my environment. BR, Ales ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Syncearly + subtitles problem
Ales Jurik wrote: On Monday 20 of October 2008, Hannu Tirkkonen wrote: Josce The subtitles and ttxtsubs are in sync when watching live... but The same problem with too early exists on recordings. vdr 1.7.0 with reelbox plugin 9044: VDR-Extensions-Patch-62/vdr-1.7.0_extensions.diff DR-Extensions-Patch-62/vdr-1.7.0-ext_h264.diff vdr170-ext-h264-rmm-svn8858-patch.diff There's a ReplayDelay option on ttxtsubs, but is it possible to get the (customized) delay also for the subtitles as well? ...hanu I don't see such problem: vdr-1.7.0 with reelbox plugin 9044 - vdr-1.7.0-h264-syncearly-framespersec-audioindexer-fielddetection-speedup - vdr170-h264-rmm-svn8858-patch BR, Ales Just finished the clean installation of vdr-1.7.0 with same patches: vdr-1.7.0 with reelbox plugin 9044 vdr-1.7.0-h264-syncearly-framespersec-audioindexer-fielddetection-speedup vdr170-h264-rmm-svn8858-patch The subtitles and ttxtsubs appears ~ 6 seconds too early. I can live with the ttxtsubs, because of the option ReplayDelay (5000), but watching the recordings with subtitles is quite annoying.. The recordings with ttxtsubs and subtitles are from Thor (S1.0W) (dvb-s/dvb-s2) and local Finnish (dvb-c) broadcaster Welho. (Canal Digital and Yle stuff...) I'll try to get a sample recordings uploaded somewhere tomorrow. br. ...hanu ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Syncearly + subtitles problem
On Wednesday 08 of October 2008, Josce wrote: I am having problems with subtitles: - vdr 1.6.0 - vdr-1.5.18-h264-syncearly-framespersec-audioindexer-fielddetection-speedup. diff - vdr-1.6.0-truecolor-compile_fixes.diff - reelbox plugin The subtitles appear 6-10 seconds too early, which is really annoying. Tested the recordings on a vdr 1.6.0 + FF without the patches and the subtitles were displayed correctly. I imagine it has something to do with the syncearly, but can't say for sure. Can I somehow disable the syncearly part of the patches to verify that this indeed is the problem. ( I need the patches because I can't compile vdr + reelbox plugin without them ) Josce Which version of reelbox plugin (i.e. from which svn) are you using? There was some changes (from 8072) regarding sublitles. Did you test it with latest reelbox svn? BR, Ales ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Syncearly + subtitles problem
On Wednesday 08 of October 2008, Josce wrote: Which version of reelbox plugin (i.e. from which svn) are you using? There was some changes (from 8072) regarding sublitles. Did you test it with latest reelbox svn? The reelbox-plugin is 8171. I can test with a newer svn if you think that will help. regards, Josce As I remember there was another problem - with audio/video sync. The sound was delayed more and more - I've patched the plugin myself to disable the audio/video sync algorithm. But in last versions (I'm now using the 8649 version) it is ok. So it is maybe second reason of your problem. You could test if immediately after switching to the channel the sync of subtitles is good or significantly better then after some time (1-2 minutes) it could be the sync problem. BR, Ales ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Syncearly + subtitles problem
Which version of reelbox plugin (i.e. from which svn) are you using? There was some changes (from 8072) regarding sublitles. Did you test it with latest reelbox svn? The reelbox-plugin is 8171. I can test with a newer svn if you think that will help. regards, Josce ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Syncearly + subtitles problem
Am 08.10.2008 um 11:12 schrieb Josce: I am having problems with subtitles: - vdr 1.6.0 - vdr-1.5.18-h264-syncearly-framespersec-audioindexer-fielddetection- speedup.diff - vdr-1.6.0-truecolor-compile_fixes.diff - reelbox plugin The subtitles appear 6-10 seconds too early, which is really annoying. Tested the recordings on a vdr 1.6.0 + FF without the patches and the subtitles were displayed correctly. I imagine it has something to do with the syncearly, but can't say for sure. Can I somehow disable the syncearly part of the patches to verify that this indeed is the problem. ( I need the patches because I can't compile vdr + reelbox plugin without them ) This isn't caused by syncearly, this occurs 'cause the buffers of the HD-extension are not taken into account yet. The missing lines are in dvbsubtitles.c, around line 767, there you can read: TODO sync on PTS? are there actually devices that don't deliver an STC? Yes, there is such a device... ;-) Nevertheless, this will probably be fixed quiet soon... Regards Tobias ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Syncearly + subtitles problem
On 10/08/08 17:16, Tobias Bratfisch wrote: Am 08.10.2008 um 11:12 schrieb Josce: I am having problems with subtitles: - vdr 1.6.0 - vdr-1.5.18-h264-syncearly-framespersec-audioindexer-fielddetection- speedup.diff - vdr-1.6.0-truecolor-compile_fixes.diff - reelbox plugin The subtitles appear 6-10 seconds too early, which is really annoying. Tested the recordings on a vdr 1.6.0 + FF without the patches and the subtitles were displayed correctly. I imagine it has something to do with the syncearly, but can't say for sure. Can I somehow disable the syncearly part of the patches to verify that this indeed is the problem. ( I need the patches because I can't compile vdr + reelbox plugin without them ) This isn't caused by syncearly, this occurs 'cause the buffers of the HD-extension are not taken into account yet. The missing lines are in dvbsubtitles.c, around line 767, there you can read: TODO sync on PTS? are there actually devices that don't deliver an STC? Yes, there is such a device... ;-) Nevertheless, this will probably be fixed quiet soon... Does this mean that the eHD will actually deliver an STC, or that some workaround will be implemented? Klaus ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Syncearly + subtitles problem
This isn't caused by syncearly, this occurs 'cause the buffers of the HD-extension are not taken into account yet. The missing lines are in dvbsubtitles.c, around line 767, there you can read: TODO sync on PTS? are there actually devices that don't deliver an STC? Yes, there is such a device... ;-) Nevertheless, this will probably be fixed quiet soon... Ok, thanks for letting me know. I am eagerly waiting for this fix :) As a side note, I today did 'svn co svn://reelbox.org testing' and got revision 8820. When trying to compile the plugin it stopped on following error: HdTrueColorOsd.c:595: error: 'class cBitmap' has no member named 'SetSizeWithoutRealloc' I have the 'vdr-1.6.0-truecolor-compile_fixes.diff' patch installed but can't see there any mention of 'SetSizeWithoutRealloc'. Nor can I find this anywhere else in vdr code. Is there a new patch for the reelbox plugin that I should install? Is there any site in English where the reelbox is discussed? Regards, Josce ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Syncearly + subtitles problem
On Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 06:10:55PM +0200, Klaus Schmidinger wrote: Does this mean that the eHD will actually deliver an STC, or that some workaround will be implemented? The STC is already written into the shm area in regular intervals (after each received packet). It is used to emulate a somewhat synchronous STC on the PC for the AV-sync via mainboard audio. -- Georg Acher, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.lrr.in.tum.de/~acher Oh no, not again ! The bowl of petunias ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Syncearly + subtitles problem
As I remember there was another problem - with audio/video sync. The sound was delayed more and more - I've patched the plugin myself to disable the audio/video sync algorithm. But in last versions (I'm now using the 8649 version) it is ok. So it is maybe second reason of your problem. You could test if immediately after switching to the channel the sync of subtitles is good or significantly better then after some time (1-2 minutes) it could be the sync problem. Is there a CHANGELOG somewhere or something similar showing what's going on with the plugin development and the various revisions? ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
