subject:"\[VFB\] Lively legz"

Re: [VFB] Lively legz

2016-12-04 Thread Joyce M Westphal

Great idea. Thanks Joyce

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 5:58 PM, Reuven Segal  wrote:

> I was half asleep when I commented. I meant you can cut away the rolled
> silicon/rubber at the wrist of the glove and use it to form segmented
> bodies at whatever the desired thickness is.
> Easy to cut. I have blues, black, white, yellow, green.couldn't be
> cheaper or easier.
>
>
> On 5/12/2016 9:02 AM, Beer mit wrote:
>
> I use rubber and silicon gloves (cleaning or surgical). They have
> different thicknesses, colours, and are cheap. The other benefit is the
> rolled bit at the opening. If you buy it there so you are left with a
> rolled silicon 'rope', it wraps around the hook to give an awesome
> segmented body such as in a grub. Want it thinner? Just pull tighter.
>
> Reuven
>
> On Wednesday, 30 November 2016, Michael Bliss 
> wrote:
>
>> I like the way they look on stones and some nymphs.  Not so much on the
>> midges.  I might have to try these for some stoneflies.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 8:37 AM, Pete Gramp  wrote:
>>
>>> These Lively Legz are meant for nymphs, I believe, not hoppers, with all
>>> due respect.  Perhaps we're speaking of two different products / leg types?
>>>  http://livelylegz.com/collections/lively-legz shows what they look
>>> like.
>>> Respectfully,
>>> -Pete
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Joyce M Westphal 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I find hoppers work the best in early fall, end of July, first of
 August, and then fished right along the banks, never in the middle of the
 stream for me. Joyce

 On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Michael Bliss 
 wrote:

> Let me know.  I am going to look for some sheets of silicon.  I have
> the foam sheets and now to get the cutters.  Have you fished hoppers much
> in Utah?  I have only had limited success.
>
> Mike
>
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 3:48 AM, Joyce M Westphal 
> wrote:
>
>> I use the 2 mm foam sheets and mark them with Permapen to my liking,
>> usually with spots. I am going to experiment with the sheets you use for
>> the backs of the nymphs and also with the slick Baxter IV bag material.
>> This will take place after the Christmas fly boxes are finished..only 5
>> dozen more flies to go.  I will let  you know how the IV bag ones work
>> after I've tried it. The material of the bags is very similar to Thin 
>> Skin.
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 8:55 PM, Michael Bliss 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Joyce,
>>> What do you use as material?  Foam?  If Silicon which I like best
>>> where do you get the sheets?
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 7:37 AM, Joyce M Westphal <
>>> joyce...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 These are great. If you wish to create your own, you can get leg
 cutters that work extremely well here. http://riverroadcreation
 s.com/HopperLegs.htm J
 A complete set costs $39.95 and you can use whatever foam color,
 touched up with Permapen you wish. Or, as Pete says, you can buy them 
 from
 Lively Legz pre-made. I agree with him, legs on my flies seem to add a 
 bit
 more action in this form than simple knotted legs.
 Thanks for the update. Joyce


 On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 5:43 AM, Pete Gramp 
 wrote:

> Anybody heard of these "Lively Legz" before?  it is a synthetic
> product kind of like a silicone, similar to the legs that J:Son puts 
> out as
> nymph legs, but (strictly in my opinion, and not to knock J:Son) I
> personally find them easier to work with, and for me where I'm located
> they're cheaper per fly than J:Son.  Plus, being from Pennsylvania, 
> USA, I
> have to support folks from my own state haha.  Seriously though, no
> affiliation to them, save for being a ridiculously happy customer, I
> absolutely love these things, and I find the purple flake color to 
> have
> increased my fish catching rates, when nymphing.  Maybe it is just my 
> added
> confidence in fishing these, I'll give you that, but it seems to have 
> had a
> positive impact.
>
> If anyone wants to try one or two for tying, or if anyone wants a
> fly tied by me (I'm not a professional, but I'll do my best), just 
> send an
> email off-list.  I won't promise it'll be tomorrow that I get to 
> tying them
> up for you, honestly, but it will be soon, and I think you'll like the
> results.
>
> Again, not meant as an ad for them, and I have no affiliation with
> them.  Just want to let folks see how awesome these

Re: [VFB] Lively legz

2016-12-04 Thread Reuven Segal

I was half asleep when I commented. I meant you can cut away the rolled 
silicon/rubber at the wrist of the glove and use it to form segmented 
bodies at whatever the desired thickness is.
Easy to cut. I have blues, black, white, yellow, green.couldn't 
be cheaper or easier.

On 5/12/2016 9:02 AM, Beer mit wrote:
I use rubber and silicon gloves (cleaning or surgical). They have 
different thicknesses, colours, and are cheap. The other benefit is 
the rolled bit at the opening. If you buy it there so you are left 
with a rolled silicon 'rope', it wraps around the hook to give an 
awesome segmented body such as in a grub. Want it thinner? Just pull 
tighter.

Reuven

On Wednesday, 30 November 2016, Michael Bliss > wrote:

I like the way they look on stones and some nymphs.  Not so much
on the midges.  I might have to try these for some stoneflies.

Mike

On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 8:37 AM, Pete Gramp > wrote:

These Lively Legz are meant for nymphs, I believe, not
hoppers, with all due respect.  Perhaps we're speaking of two
different products / leg types?
http://livelylegz.com/collections/lively-legz
 shows what
they look like.
Respectfully,
-Pete

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Joyce M Westphal
> wrote:

I find hoppers work the best in early fall, end of July,
first of August, and then fished right along the banks,
never in the middle of the stream for me. Joyce

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Michael Bliss
> wrote:

Let me know.  I am going to look for some sheets of
silicon.  I have the foam sheets and now to get the
cutters. Have you fished hoppers much in Utah?  I have
only had limited success.

Mike

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 3:48 AM, Joyce M Westphal
>
wrote:

I use the 2 mm foam sheets and mark them with
Permapen to my liking, usually with spots. I am
going to experiment with the sheets you use for
the backs of the nymphs and also with the slick
Baxter IV bag material. This will take place after
the Christmas fly boxes are finished..only 5 dozen
more flies to go.  I will let  you know how the IV
bag ones work after I've tried it. The material of
the bags is very similar to Thin Skin.

On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 8:55 PM, Michael Bliss
>
wrote:

Joyce,
What do you use as material?  Foam?  If
Silicon which I like best where do you get the
sheets?

Mike

On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 7:37 AM, Joyce M
Westphal >
wrote:

These are great. If you wish to create
your own, you can get leg cutters that
work extremely well here.
http://riverroadcreations.com/HopperLegs.htm

J
A complete set costs $39.95 and you can
use whatever foam color, touched up with
Permapen you wish. Or, as Pete says, you
can buy them from Lively Legz pre-made. I
agree with him, legs on my flies seem to
add a bit more action in this form than
simple knotted legs.
Thanks for the update. Joyce

On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 5:43 AM, Pete
Gramp >
wrote:

Anybody heard of these "Lively Legz"
before?  it is a synthetic product

Re: [VFB] Lively legz

2016-12-04 Thread Beer mit

I use rubber and silicon gloves (cleaning or surgical). They have different
thicknesses, colours, and are cheap. The other benefit is the rolled bit at
the opening. If you buy it there so you are left with a rolled silicon
'rope', it wraps around the hook to give an awesome segmented body such as
in a grub. Want it thinner? Just pull tighter.

Reuven

On Wednesday, 30 November 2016, Michael Bliss  wrote:

> I like the way they look on stones and some nymphs.  Not so much on the
> midges.  I might have to try these for some stoneflies.
>
> Mike
>
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 8:37 AM, Pete Gramp  > wrote:
>
>> These Lively Legz are meant for nymphs, I believe, not hoppers, with all
>> due respect.  Perhaps we're speaking of two different products / leg types?
>>  http://livelylegz.com/collections/lively-legz shows what they look like.
>> Respectfully,
>> -Pete
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Joyce M Westphal > > wrote:
>>
>>> I find hoppers work the best in early fall, end of July, first of
>>> August, and then fished right along the banks, never in the middle of the
>>> stream for me. Joyce
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Michael Bliss >> > wrote:
>>>
 Let me know.  I am going to look for some sheets of silicon.  I have
 the foam sheets and now to get the cutters.  Have you fished hoppers much
 in Utah?  I have only had limited success.

 Mike

 On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 3:48 AM, Joyce M Westphal > wrote:

> I use the 2 mm foam sheets and mark them with Permapen to my liking,
> usually with spots. I am going to experiment with the sheets you use for
> the backs of the nymphs and also with the slick Baxter IV bag material.
> This will take place after the Christmas fly boxes are finished..only 5
> dozen more flies to go.  I will let  you know how the IV bag ones work
> after I've tried it. The material of the bags is very similar to Thin 
> Skin.
>
> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 8:55 PM, Michael Bliss  > wrote:
>
>> Joyce,
>> What do you use as material?  Foam?  If Silicon which I like best
>> where do you get the sheets?
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 7:37 AM, Joyce M Westphal > > wrote:
>>
>>> These are great. If you wish to create your own, you can get leg
>>> cutters that work extremely well here. http://riverroadcreation
>>> s.com/HopperLegs.htm J
>>> A complete set costs $39.95 and you can use whatever foam color,
>>> touched up with Permapen you wish. Or, as Pete says, you can buy them 
>>> from
>>> Lively Legz pre-made. I agree with him, legs on my flies seem to add a 
>>> bit
>>> more action in this form than simple knotted legs.
>>> Thanks for the update. Joyce
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 5:43 AM, Pete Gramp >> > wrote:
>>>
 Anybody heard of these "Lively Legz" before?  it is a synthetic
 product kind of like a silicone, similar to the legs that J:Son puts 
 out as
 nymph legs, but (strictly in my opinion, and not to knock J:Son) I
 personally find them easier to work with, and for me where I'm located
 they're cheaper per fly than J:Son.  Plus, being from Pennsylvania, 
 USA, I
 have to support folks from my own state haha.  Seriously though, no
 affiliation to them, save for being a ridiculously happy customer, I
 absolutely love these things, and I find the purple flake color to have
 increased my fish catching rates, when nymphing.  Maybe it is just my 
 added
 confidence in fishing these, I'll give you that, but it seems to have 
 had a
 positive impact.

 If anyone wants to try one or two for tying, or if anyone wants a
 fly tied by me (I'm not a professional, but I'll do my best), just 
 send an
 email off-list.  I won't promise it'll be tomorrow that I get to tying 
 them
 up for you, honestly, but it will be soon, and I think you'll like the
 results.

 Again, not meant as an ad for them, and I have no affiliation with
 them.  Just want to let folks see how awesome these things are.  They 
 are a
 game changer for my nymphs, and I now tie my nymphs with these legs 
 almost
 exclusively.

 Hope I didn't

Re: [VFB] Lively legz

2016-11-29 Thread Michael Bliss

I like the way they look on stones and some nymphs.  Not so much on the
midges.  I might have to try these for some stoneflies.

Mike

On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 8:37 AM, Pete Gramp  wrote:

> These Lively Legz are meant for nymphs, I believe, not hoppers, with all
> due respect.  Perhaps we're speaking of two different products / leg types?
>  http://livelylegz.com/collections/lively-legz shows what they look like.
> Respectfully,
> -Pete
>
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Joyce M Westphal 
> wrote:
>
>> I find hoppers work the best in early fall, end of July, first of August,
>> and then fished right along the banks, never in the middle of the stream
>> for me. Joyce
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Michael Bliss 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Let me know.  I am going to look for some sheets of silicon.  I have the
>>> foam sheets and now to get the cutters.  Have you fished hoppers much in
>>> Utah?  I have only had limited success.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 3:48 AM, Joyce M Westphal 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I use the 2 mm foam sheets and mark them with Permapen to my liking,
 usually with spots. I am going to experiment with the sheets you use for
 the backs of the nymphs and also with the slick Baxter IV bag material.
 This will take place after the Christmas fly boxes are finished..only 5
 dozen more flies to go.  I will let  you know how the IV bag ones work
 after I've tried it. The material of the bags is very similar to Thin Skin.

 On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 8:55 PM, Michael Bliss 
 wrote:

> Joyce,
> What do you use as material?  Foam?  If Silicon which I like best
> where do you get the sheets?
>
> Mike
>
> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 7:37 AM, Joyce M Westphal 
> wrote:
>
>> These are great. If you wish to create your own, you can get leg
>> cutters that work extremely well here. http://riverroadcreation
>> s.com/HopperLegs.htm J
>> A complete set costs $39.95 and you can use whatever foam color,
>> touched up with Permapen you wish. Or, as Pete says, you can buy them 
>> from
>> Lively Legz pre-made. I agree with him, legs on my flies seem to add a 
>> bit
>> more action in this form than simple knotted legs.
>> Thanks for the update. Joyce
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 5:43 AM, Pete Gramp 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Anybody heard of these "Lively Legz" before?  it is a synthetic
>>> product kind of like a silicone, similar to the legs that J:Son puts 
>>> out as
>>> nymph legs, but (strictly in my opinion, and not to knock J:Son) I
>>> personally find them easier to work with, and for me where I'm located
>>> they're cheaper per fly than J:Son.  Plus, being from Pennsylvania, 
>>> USA, I
>>> have to support folks from my own state haha.  Seriously though, no
>>> affiliation to them, save for being a ridiculously happy customer, I
>>> absolutely love these things, and I find the purple flake color to have
>>> increased my fish catching rates, when nymphing.  Maybe it is just my 
>>> added
>>> confidence in fishing these, I'll give you that, but it seems to have 
>>> had a
>>> positive impact.
>>>
>>> If anyone wants to try one or two for tying, or if anyone wants a
>>> fly tied by me (I'm not a professional, but I'll do my best), just send 
>>> an
>>> email off-list.  I won't promise it'll be tomorrow that I get to tying 
>>> them
>>> up for you, honestly, but it will be soon, and I think you'll like the
>>> results.
>>>
>>> Again, not meant as an ad for them, and I have no affiliation with
>>> them.  Just want to let folks see how awesome these things are.  They 
>>> are a
>>> game changer for my nymphs, and I now tie my nymphs with these legs 
>>> almost
>>> exclusively.
>>>
>>> Hope I didn't break any list rules by the offer, or by raving about
>>> the product,
>>> -Pete
>>>
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Re: [VFB] Lively legz

2016-11-29 Thread Joyce Westphal

I have to see if it works first. It may not, may be too soft.  We throw lots of 
bags away and if it works I can send some. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 29, 2016, at 11:55 AM, Allan Fish  wrote:
> 
>> On 11/29/16 1:45 PM, Joyce Westphal wrote:
>> I am going to experiment with them cut from the plastic of Baxter IV bag 
>> material as well.
> But where would I get Baxter IV bag material?
> 
> 
> 
> Several places on ebay sell silicone sheets.  NOT cheap.
> 
> 
> af
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Re: [VFB] Lively legz

2016-11-29 Thread Allan Fish


On 11/29/16 1:45 PM, Joyce Westphal wrote:
I am going to experiment with them cut from the plastic of Baxter IV 
bag material as well.

But where would I get Baxter IV bag material?



Several places on ebay sell silicone sheets.  NOT cheap.


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Re: [VFB] Lively legz

2016-11-29 Thread Joyce Westphal

No problem, no foul. I am just a cheapy. I am going to experiment with them cut 
from the plastic of Baxter IV bag material as well. Christmas orders must be 
finished first. Joyce

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 29, 2016, at 11:33 AM, Pete Gramp  wrote:
> 
> Apologies, I didn't mean for it to come out poorly, I meant no disrespect.  
> Only wanted to see if we were speaking of the same thing is all.  
> 
> I've used hopper legs from River Roads and have had great success with them, 
> when tied as hopper legs.  I think I'll give it a try for tying in foam, 
> short, to make nymph legs from them.  I'm always open to new ideas and I 
> admit I never would have thought of that had you not mentioned it.  
> 
> Ever learning, with plenty more yet to learn,
> -Pete
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 1:27 PM, Joyce Westphal  wrote:
>> I just cut them to my liking. My fish do not seem to care. This is not to 
>> say that your lively legs may not work better. Joyce
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Nov 29, 2016, at 8:37 AM, Pete Gramp  wrote:
>>> 
>>> These Lively Legz are meant for nymphs, I believe, not hoppers, with all 
>>> due respect.  Perhaps we're speaking of two different products / leg types? 
>>>  http://livelylegz.com/collections/lively-legz shows what they look like.
>>> Respectfully,
>>> -Pete
>>> 
 On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Joyce M Westphal  
 wrote:
 I find hoppers work the best in early fall, end of July, first of August, 
 and then fished right along the banks, never in the middle of the stream 
 for me. Joyce
 
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Michael Bliss  
> wrote:
> Let me know.  I am going to look for some sheets of silicon.  I have the 
> foam sheets and now to get the cutters.  Have you fished hoppers much in 
> Utah?  I have only had limited success.
> 
> Mike
> 
>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 3:48 AM, Joyce M Westphal  
>> wrote:
>> I use the 2 mm foam sheets and mark them with Permapen to my liking, 
>> usually with spots. I am going to experiment with the sheets you use for 
>> the backs of the nymphs and also with the slick Baxter IV bag material. 
>> This will take place after the Christmas fly boxes are finished..only 5 
>> dozen more flies to go.  I will let  you know how the IV bag ones work 
>> after I've tried it. The material of the bags is very similar to Thin 
>> Skin.
>> 
>>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 8:55 PM, Michael Bliss  
>>> wrote:
>>> Joyce,
>>> What do you use as material?  Foam?  If Silicon which I like best where 
>>> do you get the sheets?
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> 
 On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 7:37 AM, Joyce M Westphal  
 wrote:
 These are great. If you wish to create your own, you can get leg 
 cutters that work extremely well here. 
 http://riverroadcreations.com/HopperLegs.htm J
 A complete set costs $39.95 and you can use whatever foam color, 
 touched up with Permapen you wish. Or, as Pete says, you can buy them 
 from Lively Legz pre-made. I agree with him, legs on my flies seem to 
 add a bit more action in this form than simple knotted legs. 
 Thanks for the update. Joyce
  
 
> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 5:43 AM, Pete Gramp  
> wrote:
> Anybody heard of these "Lively Legz" before?  it is a synthetic 
> product kind of like a silicone, similar to the legs that J:Son puts 
> out as nymph legs, but (strictly in my opinion, and not to knock 
> J:Son) I personally find them easier to work with, and for me where 
> I'm located they're cheaper per fly than J:Son.  Plus, being from 
> Pennsylvania, USA, I have to support folks from my own state haha.  
> Seriously though, no affiliation to them, save for being a 
> ridiculously happy customer, I absolutely love these things, and I 
> find the purple flake color to have increased my fish catching rates, 
> when nymphing.  Maybe it is just my added confidence in fishing 
> these, I'll give you that, but it seems to have had a positive impact.
> 
> If anyone wants to try one or two for tying, or if anyone wants a fly 
> tied by me (I'm not a professional, but I'll do my best), just send 
> an email off-list.  I won't promise it'll be tomorrow that I get to 
> tying them up for you, honestly, but it will be soon, and I think 
> you'll like the results.
> 
> Again, not meant as an ad for them, and I have no affiliation with 
> them.  Just want to let folks see how awesome these things are.  They 
> are a game changer for my nymphs, and I now

Re: [VFB] Lively legz

2016-11-29 Thread Pete Gramp

Apologies, I didn't mean for it to come out poorly, I meant no disrespect.
Only wanted to see if we were speaking of the same thing is all.

I've used hopper legs from River Roads and have had great success with
them, when tied as hopper legs.  I think I'll give it a try for tying in
foam, short, to make nymph legs from them.  I'm always open to new ideas
and I admit I never would have thought of that had you not mentioned it.

Ever learning, with plenty more yet to learn,
-Pete


On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 1:27 PM, Joyce Westphal  wrote:

> I just cut them to my liking. My fish do not seem to care. This is not to
> say that your lively legs may not work better. Joyce
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Nov 29, 2016, at 8:37 AM, Pete Gramp  wrote:
>
> These Lively Legz are meant for nymphs, I believe, not hoppers, with all
> due respect.  Perhaps we're speaking of two different products / leg types?
>  http://livelylegz.com/collections/lively-legz shows what they look like.
> Respectfully,
> -Pete
>
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Joyce M Westphal 
> wrote:
>
>> I find hoppers work the best in early fall, end of July, first of August,
>> and then fished right along the banks, never in the middle of the stream
>> for me. Joyce
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Michael Bliss 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Let me know.  I am going to look for some sheets of silicon.  I have the
>>> foam sheets and now to get the cutters.  Have you fished hoppers much in
>>> Utah?  I have only had limited success.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 3:48 AM, Joyce M Westphal 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I use the 2 mm foam sheets and mark them with Permapen to my liking,
 usually with spots. I am going to experiment with the sheets you use for
 the backs of the nymphs and also with the slick Baxter IV bag material.
 This will take place after the Christmas fly boxes are finished..only 5
 dozen more flies to go.  I will let  you know how the IV bag ones work
 after I've tried it. The material of the bags is very similar to Thin Skin.

 On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 8:55 PM, Michael Bliss 
 wrote:

> Joyce,
> What do you use as material?  Foam?  If Silicon which I like best
> where do you get the sheets?
>
> Mike
>
> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 7:37 AM, Joyce M Westphal 
> wrote:
>
>> These are great. If you wish to create your own, you can get leg
>> cutters that work extremely well here. http://riverroadcreation
>> s.com/HopperLegs.htm J
>> A complete set costs $39.95 and you can use whatever foam color,
>> touched up with Permapen you wish. Or, as Pete says, you can buy them 
>> from
>> Lively Legz pre-made. I agree with him, legs on my flies seem to add a 
>> bit
>> more action in this form than simple knotted legs.
>> Thanks for the update. Joyce
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 5:43 AM, Pete Gramp 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Anybody heard of these "Lively Legz" before?  it is a synthetic
>>> product kind of like a silicone, similar to the legs that J:Son puts 
>>> out as
>>> nymph legs, but (strictly in my opinion, and not to knock J:Son) I
>>> personally find them easier to work with, and for me where I'm located
>>> they're cheaper per fly than J:Son.  Plus, being from Pennsylvania, 
>>> USA, I
>>> have to support folks from my own state haha.  Seriously though, no
>>> affiliation to them, save for being a ridiculously happy customer, I
>>> absolutely love these things, and I find the purple flake color to have
>>> increased my fish catching rates, when nymphing.  Maybe it is just my 
>>> added
>>> confidence in fishing these, I'll give you that, but it seems to have 
>>> had a
>>> positive impact.
>>>
>>> If anyone wants to try one or two for tying, or if anyone wants a
>>> fly tied by me (I'm not a professional, but I'll do my best), just send 
>>> an
>>> email off-list.  I won't promise it'll be tomorrow that I get to tying 
>>> them
>>> up for you, honestly, but it will be soon, and I think you'll like the
>>> results.
>>>
>>> Again, not meant as an ad for them, and I have no affiliation with
>>> them.  Just want to let folks see how awesome these things are.  They 
>>> are a
>>> game changer for my nymphs, and I now tie my nymphs with these legs 
>>> almost
>>> exclusively.
>>>
>>> Hope I didn't break any list rules by the offer, or by raving about
>>> the product,
>>> -Pete
>>>
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Re: [VFB] Lively legz

2016-11-29 Thread Joyce Westphal

I just cut them to my liking. My fish do not seem to care. This is not to say 
that your lively legs may not work better. Joyce

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 29, 2016, at 8:37 AM, Pete Gramp  wrote:
> 
> These Lively Legz are meant for nymphs, I believe, not hoppers, with all due 
> respect.  Perhaps we're speaking of two different products / leg types?  
> http://livelylegz.com/collections/lively-legz shows what they look like.
> Respectfully,
> -Pete
> 
>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Joyce M Westphal  wrote:
>> I find hoppers work the best in early fall, end of July, first of August, 
>> and then fished right along the banks, never in the middle of the stream for 
>> me. Joyce
>> 
>>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Michael Bliss  wrote:
>>> Let me know.  I am going to look for some sheets of silicon.  I have the 
>>> foam sheets and now to get the cutters.  Have you fished hoppers much in 
>>> Utah?  I have only had limited success.
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> 
 On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 3:48 AM, Joyce M Westphal  
 wrote:
 I use the 2 mm foam sheets and mark them with Permapen to my liking, 
 usually with spots. I am going to experiment with the sheets you use for 
 the backs of the nymphs and also with the slick Baxter IV bag material. 
 This will take place after the Christmas fly boxes are finished..only 5 
 dozen more flies to go.  I will let  you know how the IV bag ones work 
 after I've tried it. The material of the bags is very similar to Thin Skin.
 
> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 8:55 PM, Michael Bliss  
> wrote:
> Joyce,
> What do you use as material?  Foam?  If Silicon which I like best where 
> do you get the sheets?
> 
> Mike
> 
>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 7:37 AM, Joyce M Westphal  
>> wrote:
>> These are great. If you wish to create your own, you can get leg cutters 
>> that work extremely well here. 
>> http://riverroadcreations.com/HopperLegs.htm J
>> A complete set costs $39.95 and you can use whatever foam color, touched 
>> up with Permapen you wish. Or, as Pete says, you can buy them from 
>> Lively Legz pre-made. I agree with him, legs on my flies seem to add a 
>> bit more action in this form than simple knotted legs. 
>> Thanks for the update. Joyce
>>  
>> 
>>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 5:43 AM, Pete Gramp  
>>> wrote:
>>> Anybody heard of these "Lively Legz" before?  it is a synthetic product 
>>> kind of like a silicone, similar to the legs that J:Son puts out as 
>>> nymph legs, but (strictly in my opinion, and not to knock J:Son) I 
>>> personally find them easier to work with, and for me where I'm located 
>>> they're cheaper per fly than J:Son.  Plus, being from Pennsylvania, 
>>> USA, I have to support folks from my own state haha.  Seriously though, 
>>> no affiliation to them, save for being a ridiculously happy customer, I 
>>> absolutely love these things, and I find the purple flake color to have 
>>> increased my fish catching rates, when nymphing.  Maybe it is just my 
>>> added confidence in fishing these, I'll give you that, but it seems to 
>>> have had a positive impact.
>>> 
>>> If anyone wants to try one or two for tying, or if anyone wants a fly 
>>> tied by me (I'm not a professional, but I'll do my best), just send an 
>>> email off-list.  I won't promise it'll be tomorrow that I get to tying 
>>> them up for you, honestly, but it will be soon, and I think you'll like 
>>> the results.
>>> 
>>> Again, not meant as an ad for them, and I have no affiliation with 
>>> them.  Just want to let folks see how awesome these things are.  They 
>>> are a game changer for my nymphs, and I now tie my nymphs with these 
>>> legs almost exclusively.
>>> 
>>> Hope I didn't break any list rules by the offer, or by raving about the 
>>> product,
>>> -Pete
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Re: [VFB] Lively legz

2016-11-29 Thread Pete Gramp

These Lively Legz are meant for nymphs, I believe, not hoppers, with all
due respect.  Perhaps we're speaking of two different products / leg types?
 http://livelylegz.com/collections/lively-legz shows what they look like.
Respectfully,
-Pete

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Joyce M Westphal 
wrote:

> I find hoppers work the best in early fall, end of July, first of August,
> and then fished right along the banks, never in the middle of the stream
> for me. Joyce
>
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Michael Bliss 
> wrote:
>
>> Let me know.  I am going to look for some sheets of silicon.  I have the
>> foam sheets and now to get the cutters.  Have you fished hoppers much in
>> Utah?  I have only had limited success.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 3:48 AM, Joyce M Westphal 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I use the 2 mm foam sheets and mark them with Permapen to my liking,
>>> usually with spots. I am going to experiment with the sheets you use for
>>> the backs of the nymphs and also with the slick Baxter IV bag material.
>>> This will take place after the Christmas fly boxes are finished..only 5
>>> dozen more flies to go.  I will let  you know how the IV bag ones work
>>> after I've tried it. The material of the bags is very similar to Thin Skin.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 8:55 PM, Michael Bliss 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Joyce,
 What do you use as material?  Foam?  If Silicon which I like best where
 do you get the sheets?

 Mike

 On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 7:37 AM, Joyce M Westphal 
 wrote:

> These are great. If you wish to create your own, you can get leg
> cutters that work extremely well here. http://riverroadcreation
> s.com/HopperLegs.htm J
> A complete set costs $39.95 and you can use whatever foam color,
> touched up with Permapen you wish. Or, as Pete says, you can buy them from
> Lively Legz pre-made. I agree with him, legs on my flies seem to add a bit
> more action in this form than simple knotted legs.
> Thanks for the update. Joyce
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 5:43 AM, Pete Gramp 
> wrote:
>
>> Anybody heard of these "Lively Legz" before?  it is a synthetic
>> product kind of like a silicone, similar to the legs that J:Son puts out 
>> as
>> nymph legs, but (strictly in my opinion, and not to knock J:Son) I
>> personally find them easier to work with, and for me where I'm located
>> they're cheaper per fly than J:Son.  Plus, being from Pennsylvania, USA, 
>> I
>> have to support folks from my own state haha.  Seriously though, no
>> affiliation to them, save for being a ridiculously happy customer, I
>> absolutely love these things, and I find the purple flake color to have
>> increased my fish catching rates, when nymphing.  Maybe it is just my 
>> added
>> confidence in fishing these, I'll give you that, but it seems to have 
>> had a
>> positive impact.
>>
>> If anyone wants to try one or two for tying, or if anyone wants a fly
>> tied by me (I'm not a professional, but I'll do my best), just send an
>> email off-list.  I won't promise it'll be tomorrow that I get to tying 
>> them
>> up for you, honestly, but it will be soon, and I think you'll like the
>> results.
>>
>> Again, not meant as an ad for them, and I have no affiliation with
>> them.  Just want to let folks see how awesome these things are.  They 
>> are a
>> game changer for my nymphs, and I now tie my nymphs with these legs 
>> almost
>> exclusively.
>>
>> Hope I didn't break any list rules by the offer, or by raving about
>> the product,
>> -Pete
>>
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Re: [VFB] Lively legz

2016-11-28 Thread Joyce M Westphal

I find hoppers work the best in early fall, end of July, first of August,
and then fished right along the banks, never in the middle of the stream
for me. Joyce

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Michael Bliss  wrote:

> Let me know.  I am going to look for some sheets of silicon.  I have the
> foam sheets and now to get the cutters.  Have you fished hoppers much in
> Utah?  I have only had limited success.
>
> Mike
>
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 3:48 AM, Joyce M Westphal 
> wrote:
>
>> I use the 2 mm foam sheets and mark them with Permapen to my liking,
>> usually with spots. I am going to experiment with the sheets you use for
>> the backs of the nymphs and also with the slick Baxter IV bag material.
>> This will take place after the Christmas fly boxes are finished..only 5
>> dozen more flies to go.  I will let  you know how the IV bag ones work
>> after I've tried it. The material of the bags is very similar to Thin Skin.
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 8:55 PM, Michael Bliss 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Joyce,
>>> What do you use as material?  Foam?  If Silicon which I like best where
>>> do you get the sheets?
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 7:37 AM, Joyce M Westphal 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 These are great. If you wish to create your own, you can get leg
 cutters that work extremely well here. http://riverroadcreation
 s.com/HopperLegs.htm J
 A complete set costs $39.95 and you can use whatever foam color,
 touched up with Permapen you wish. Or, as Pete says, you can buy them from
 Lively Legz pre-made. I agree with him, legs on my flies seem to add a bit
 more action in this form than simple knotted legs.
 Thanks for the update. Joyce


 On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 5:43 AM, Pete Gramp 
 wrote:

> Anybody heard of these "Lively Legz" before?  it is a synthetic
> product kind of like a silicone, similar to the legs that J:Son puts out 
> as
> nymph legs, but (strictly in my opinion, and not to knock J:Son) I
> personally find them easier to work with, and for me where I'm located
> they're cheaper per fly than J:Son.  Plus, being from Pennsylvania, USA, I
> have to support folks from my own state haha.  Seriously though, no
> affiliation to them, save for being a ridiculously happy customer, I
> absolutely love these things, and I find the purple flake color to have
> increased my fish catching rates, when nymphing.  Maybe it is just my 
> added
> confidence in fishing these, I'll give you that, but it seems to have had 
> a
> positive impact.
>
> If anyone wants to try one or two for tying, or if anyone wants a fly
> tied by me (I'm not a professional, but I'll do my best), just send an
> email off-list.  I won't promise it'll be tomorrow that I get to tying 
> them
> up for you, honestly, but it will be soon, and I think you'll like the
> results.
>
> Again, not meant as an ad for them, and I have no affiliation with
> them.  Just want to let folks see how awesome these things are.  They are 
> a
> game changer for my nymphs, and I now tie my nymphs with these legs almost
> exclusively.
>
> Hope I didn't break any list rules by the offer, or by raving about
> the product,
> -Pete
>
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Re: [VFB] Lively legz

2016-11-28 Thread Michael Bliss

Let me know.  I am going to look for some sheets of silicon.  I have the
foam sheets and now to get the cutters.  Have you fished hoppers much in
Utah?  I have only had limited success.

Mike

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 3:48 AM, Joyce M Westphal 
wrote:

> I use the 2 mm foam sheets and mark them with Permapen to my liking,
> usually with spots. I am going to experiment with the sheets you use for
> the backs of the nymphs and also with the slick Baxter IV bag material.
> This will take place after the Christmas fly boxes are finished..only 5
> dozen more flies to go.  I will let  you know how the IV bag ones work
> after I've tried it. The material of the bags is very similar to Thin Skin.
>
> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 8:55 PM, Michael Bliss 
> wrote:
>
>> Joyce,
>> What do you use as material?  Foam?  If Silicon which I like best where
>> do you get the sheets?
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 7:37 AM, Joyce M Westphal 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> These are great. If you wish to create your own, you can get leg cutters
>>> that work extremely well here. http://riverroadcreation
>>> s.com/HopperLegs.htm J
>>> A complete set costs $39.95 and you can use whatever foam color, touched
>>> up with Permapen you wish. Or, as Pete says, you can buy them from Lively
>>> Legz pre-made. I agree with him, legs on my flies seem to add a bit more
>>> action in this form than simple knotted legs.
>>> Thanks for the update. Joyce
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 5:43 AM, Pete Gramp 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Anybody heard of these "Lively Legz" before?  it is a synthetic product
 kind of like a silicone, similar to the legs that J:Son puts out as nymph
 legs, but (strictly in my opinion, and not to knock J:Son) I personally
 find them easier to work with, and for me where I'm located they're cheaper
 per fly than J:Son.  Plus, being from Pennsylvania, USA, I have to support
 folks from my own state haha.  Seriously though, no affiliation to them,
 save for being a ridiculously happy customer, I absolutely love these
 things, and I find the purple flake color to have increased my fish
 catching rates, when nymphing.  Maybe it is just my added confidence in
 fishing these, I'll give you that, but it seems to have had a positive
 impact.

 If anyone wants to try one or two for tying, or if anyone wants a fly
 tied by me (I'm not a professional, but I'll do my best), just send an
 email off-list.  I won't promise it'll be tomorrow that I get to tying them
 up for you, honestly, but it will be soon, and I think you'll like the
 results.

 Again, not meant as an ad for them, and I have no affiliation with
 them.  Just want to let folks see how awesome these things are.  They are a
 game changer for my nymphs, and I now tie my nymphs with these legs almost
 exclusively.

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Re: [VFB] Lively legz

2016-11-28 Thread Joyce M Westphal

I use the 2 mm foam sheets and mark them with Permapen to my liking,
usually with spots. I am going to experiment with the sheets you use for
the backs of the nymphs and also with the slick Baxter IV bag material.
This will take place after the Christmas fly boxes are finished..only 5
dozen more flies to go.  I will let  you know how the IV bag ones work
after I've tried it. The material of the bags is very similar to Thin Skin.

On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 8:55 PM, Michael Bliss  wrote:

> Joyce,
> What do you use as material?  Foam?  If Silicon which I like best where do
> you get the sheets?
>
> Mike
>
> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 7:37 AM, Joyce M Westphal 
> wrote:
>
>> These are great. If you wish to create your own, you can get leg cutters
>> that work extremely well here. http://riverroadcreation
>> s.com/HopperLegs.htm J
>> A complete set costs $39.95 and you can use whatever foam color, touched
>> up with Permapen you wish. Or, as Pete says, you can buy them from Lively
>> Legz pre-made. I agree with him, legs on my flies seem to add a bit more
>> action in this form than simple knotted legs.
>> Thanks for the update. Joyce
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 5:43 AM, Pete Gramp  wrote:
>>
>>> Anybody heard of these "Lively Legz" before?  it is a synthetic product
>>> kind of like a silicone, similar to the legs that J:Son puts out as nymph
>>> legs, but (strictly in my opinion, and not to knock J:Son) I personally
>>> find them easier to work with, and for me where I'm located they're cheaper
>>> per fly than J:Son.  Plus, being from Pennsylvania, USA, I have to support
>>> folks from my own state haha.  Seriously though, no affiliation to them,
>>> save for being a ridiculously happy customer, I absolutely love these
>>> things, and I find the purple flake color to have increased my fish
>>> catching rates, when nymphing.  Maybe it is just my added confidence in
>>> fishing these, I'll give you that, but it seems to have had a positive
>>> impact.
>>>
>>> If anyone wants to try one or two for tying, or if anyone wants a fly
>>> tied by me (I'm not a professional, but I'll do my best), just send an
>>> email off-list.  I won't promise it'll be tomorrow that I get to tying them
>>> up for you, honestly, but it will be soon, and I think you'll like the
>>> results.
>>>
>>> Again, not meant as an ad for them, and I have no affiliation with
>>> them.  Just want to let folks see how awesome these things are.  They are a
>>> game changer for my nymphs, and I now tie my nymphs with these legs almost
>>> exclusively.
>>>
>>> Hope I didn't break any list rules by the offer, or by raving about the
>>> product,
>>> -Pete
>>>
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Re: [VFB] Lively legz

2016-11-27 Thread Michael Bliss

Joyce,
What do you use as material?  Foam?  If Silicon which I like best where do
you get the sheets?

Mike

On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 7:37 AM, Joyce M Westphal 
wrote:

> These are great. If you wish to create your own, you can get leg cutters
> that work extremely well here. http://riverroadcreations.com/
> HopperLegs.htm J
> A complete set costs $39.95 and you can use whatever foam color, touched
> up with Permapen you wish. Or, as Pete says, you can buy them from Lively
> Legz pre-made. I agree with him, legs on my flies seem to add a bit more
> action in this form than simple knotted legs.
> Thanks for the update. Joyce
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 5:43 AM, Pete Gramp  wrote:
>
>> Anybody heard of these "Lively Legz" before?  it is a synthetic product
>> kind of like a silicone, similar to the legs that J:Son puts out as nymph
>> legs, but (strictly in my opinion, and not to knock J:Son) I personally
>> find them easier to work with, and for me where I'm located they're cheaper
>> per fly than J:Son.  Plus, being from Pennsylvania, USA, I have to support
>> folks from my own state haha.  Seriously though, no affiliation to them,
>> save for being a ridiculously happy customer, I absolutely love these
>> things, and I find the purple flake color to have increased my fish
>> catching rates, when nymphing.  Maybe it is just my added confidence in
>> fishing these, I'll give you that, but it seems to have had a positive
>> impact.
>>
>> If anyone wants to try one or two for tying, or if anyone wants a fly
>> tied by me (I'm not a professional, but I'll do my best), just send an
>> email off-list.  I won't promise it'll be tomorrow that I get to tying them
>> up for you, honestly, but it will be soon, and I think you'll like the
>> results.
>>
>> Again, not meant as an ad for them, and I have no affiliation with them.
>> Just want to let folks see how awesome these things are.  They are a game
>> changer for my nymphs, and I now tie my nymphs with these legs almost
>> exclusively.
>>
>> Hope I didn't break any list rules by the offer, or by raving about the
>> product,
>> -Pete
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Re: [VFB] Lively legz

2016-11-27 Thread Joyce M Westphal

These are great. If you wish to create your own, you can get leg cutters
that work extremely well here. http://riverroadcreations.com/HopperLegs.htm
J
A complete set costs $39.95 and you can use whatever foam color, touched up
with Permapen you wish. Or, as Pete says, you can buy them from Lively Legz
pre-made. I agree with him, legs on my flies seem to add a bit more action
in this form than simple knotted legs.
Thanks for the update. Joyce


On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 5:43 AM, Pete Gramp  wrote:

> Anybody heard of these "Lively Legz" before?  it is a synthetic product
> kind of like a silicone, similar to the legs that J:Son puts out as nymph
> legs, but (strictly in my opinion, and not to knock J:Son) I personally
> find them easier to work with, and for me where I'm located they're cheaper
> per fly than J:Son.  Plus, being from Pennsylvania, USA, I have to support
> folks from my own state haha.  Seriously though, no affiliation to them,
> save for being a ridiculously happy customer, I absolutely love these
> things, and I find the purple flake color to have increased my fish
> catching rates, when nymphing.  Maybe it is just my added confidence in
> fishing these, I'll give you that, but it seems to have had a positive
> impact.
>
> If anyone wants to try one or two for tying, or if anyone wants a fly tied
> by me (I'm not a professional, but I'll do my best), just send an email
> off-list.  I won't promise it'll be tomorrow that I get to tying them up
> for you, honestly, but it will be soon, and I think you'll like the results.
>
> Again, not meant as an ad for them, and I have no affiliation with them.
> Just want to let folks see how awesome these things are.  They are a game
> changer for my nymphs, and I now tie my nymphs with these legs almost
> exclusively.
>
> Hope I didn't break any list rules by the offer, or by raving about the
> product,
> -Pete
>
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