Re: [VFB] Observations of VFB and age

2014-08-10 Thread Reuven Segal
We never had anything like that over here as far as I know. I only ever 
used a plastic handline growing up.it wasn't back in '39 however  :)
Quite a beautiful piece of equipment however. Deserves to be mounted on 
a wall.


On 10/08/2014 7:44 AM, 'Anthony Spezio' via VFB Mail wrote:

Nev,
I still have two of those. One is still brand new, never used. I got 
that one in a bunch of stuff that was given to me several years ago. 
That was also my first fishing thing. I caught my first trout on it. 
You could cast it out then hook the like on a bell that was on a 
length of spring wire with a bell on it. The wire had a hook bend in 
it to slip the line in. When the fish took the bait, the bell would 
ring. I think I was about 10 years old then. I think they cost a whole 
nickel at that time, that would of been 1939.

Tony


On Saturday, August 9, 2014 1:34 PM, Neville Gosling 
nev.gosl...@shaw.ca wrote:



I have been fascinated by fish and their environs since a small child. 
I begged my parents to get me some fishing tackle and eventually, I 
received a hand line for sea fishing comprising of a lead weight and 3 
hooks separated on wire booms. The line was wound around an H shaped 
handle and one stripped line onto the ground and then whirled the 
weighted hooks around and let go towards the sea.  My father didn't 
fish, but I believe that I have a deep instinct that makes me want to 
fish.


I don't think that you can make someone into a fly fisher person 
unless that person either has that deep instinct or interest and is 
not aware of it.  I know people that take up fly fishing and are very 
gung ho, only to lose interest and to move on to something else.



Neville (Nev) Gosling

The older I get, the better I was!



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Re: [VFB] Observations of VFB and age

2014-08-10 Thread 'Anthony Spezio' via VFB Mail
Reuven,
That is a good idea, I may just mount the new one I have in a shadow box and 
hang it on my wall.
Tony 


On Sunday, August 10, 2014 6:24 AM, Reuven Segal beer...@gmail.com wrote:
  


We never had anything like that over here as far as I know. I only ever used a 
plastic handline growing up.it wasn't back in '39 however  :)
Quite a beautiful piece of equipment however. Deserves to be mounted
on a wall.


On 10/08/2014 7:44 AM, 'Anthony Spezio' via VFB Mail wrote:
 
Nev, 
I still have two of those. One is still brand new, never used. I got that one 
in a bunch of stuff that was given to me several years ago. That was also my 
first fishing thing. I caught my first trout on it. You could cast it out then 
hook the like on a bell that was on a length of spring wire with a bell on it. 
The wire had a hook bend in it to slip the line in. When the fish took the 
bait, the bell would ring. I think I was about 10 years old then. I think they 
cost a whole nickel at that time, that would of been 1939. 
Tony 


 
On Saturday, August 9, 2014 1:34 PM, Neville Gosling 
mailto:nev.gosl...@shaw.ca wrote:
  


I have been fascinated by fish and their environs since a small child. I 
begged my parents to get me some fishing tackle and eventually, I received a 
hand line for sea fishing comprising of a lead weight and 3 hooks separated on 
wire booms. The line was wound around an H shaped handle and one stripped line 
onto the ground and then whirled the weighted hooks around and let go towards 
the sea.  My father didn't fish, but I believe that I have a deep instinct 
that makes me want to fish.

I don't think that you can make someone into a fly
fisher person unless that person either has that deep
instinct or interest and is not aware of it.  I know
people that take up fly fishing and are very gung ho,
only to lose interest and to move on to something else.


Neville (Nev) Gosling

The older I get, the better I was!



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Re: [VFB] Observations of VFB and age

2014-08-10 Thread Reuven Segal
I am into the old tools rather than the 'disposable' ones. My friend, 
the butcher, had old knives, hand- operated salami cutters, saws and so 
forth on the wall of his butcher shop. Lovely stuff.

Shame for this sort of stuff to get lost, damaged or tossed in the corner.

On 10/08/2014 9:35 PM, 'Anthony Spezio' via VFB Mail wrote:

Reuven,
That is a good idea, I may just mount the new one I have in a shadow 
box and hang it on my wall.

Tony


On Sunday, August 10, 2014 6:24 AM, Reuven Segal beer...@gmail.com 
wrote:



We never had anything like that over here as far as I know. I only 
ever used a plastic handline growing up.it wasn't back in '39 
however  :)
Quite a beautiful piece of equipment however. Deserves to be mounted 
on a wall.


On 10/08/2014 7:44 AM, 'Anthony Spezio' via VFB Mail wrote:

Nev,
I still have two of those. One is still brand new, never used. I got 
that one in a bunch of stuff that was given to me several years ago. 
That was also my first fishing thing. I caught my first trout on it. 
You could cast it out then hook the like on a bell that was on a 
length of spring wire with a bell on it. The wire had a hook bend in 
it to slip the line in. When the fish took the bait, the bell would 
ring. I think I was about 10 years old then. I think they cost a 
whole nickel at that time, that would of been 1939.

Tony


On Saturday, August 9, 2014 1:34 PM, Neville Gosling 
mailto:nev.gosl...@shaw.ca wrote:



I have been fascinated by fish and their environs since a small 
child. I begged my parents to get me some fishing tackle and 
eventually, I received a hand line for sea fishing comprising of a 
lead weight and 3 hooks separated on wire booms. The line was wound 
around an H shaped handle and one stripped line onto the ground and 
then whirled the weighted hooks around and let go towards the sea.  
My father didn't fish, but I believe that I have a deep instinct that 
makes me want to fish.


I don't think that you can make someone into a fly fisher person 
unless that person either has that deep instinct or interest and is 
not aware of it.  I know people that take up fly fishing and are very 
gung ho, only to lose interest and to move on to something else.



Neville (Nev) Gosling

The older I get, the better I was!



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Re: [VFB] Observations of VFB and age

2014-08-10 Thread rx4fishing
Whether or not the sport of fly fishing is in trouble I am not sure. Certainly 
you do not see the younger people getting into it. Our local TU chapter is very 
active and we do alot of things. However when you look at the core group , it 
is primarily retired members, with just a couple of younger members who are 
really active. But when I go fishing there is no lack of fisherman out there. I 
spend alot of the spring fishing the Delaware river system. Over the years 
there is more and more people fishing, and spots That I used to have myself, 
well no longer. There are many times when we can't even get a spot on our home 
pool . And over the last 20 odd years or so, fishing out west  the same thing 
has occured. There used to be 3 fly shops in West Yellowstone. Now ther are 5, 
and when you go in there is always people in them.  I donot  even go into the 
park to fish anymore during the normal summer season, you can't find a spot to 
fish. Go to any of the known rivers in Montana, and there are people all over. 
You have to hike or backpack and seek out the unknown, smaller streams to be 
alone. So as I said I am not sure of the future of fly fishing. I am seeing 
younger people fishing, and seeing more women fly fishing also..

Ron B

 'Anthony Spezio' via VFB Mail vfb-mail@googlegroups.com wrote: 
 I live in a rural area where they are lakes and rivers all around. One of the 
 big business in the area is fishing and guiding on the lakes and ricers and 
 creeks along with a lot of campgrounds. What we see here are many people 
 leaving Wal-Mart with 15.00 spinning outfits on plastic covered cardboard 
 kits. Our Wal-Mart quit carrying any type of fly fishing gear except a few 
 flies in a package that fall apart after the first cast. We had three fly 
 shops in the area. we now have only one and that one has changed hands three 
 times since it opened. I have personally tutored a number of young  folks but 
 as far as I know only three have stayed with it.
 What bothers me most I have seven grandson and great grans sons but none are 
 interested in fishing. No interest at all. When they visit, I never see their 
 noses out of their cell phones or computer games. They are all addicted to 
 them. My son in law is a good fly fisher but his some has absently no 
 interest even though we have taken him out and he has caught some fish. I 
 have also tried to teach him to tie, no interest.
 Tony 
 
 
 On Saturday, August 9, 2014 10:43 AM, Wes Wada w...@wadaworks.com wrote:
   
 
 
 We've had a lot of discussions around here about the state of flyfishing and 
 tying, and whether there is enough new blood and interest to sustain it. 
 
 Our local flyclub also has youth programs such as Next Cast and Kokanee 
 Carnival, but in general, like elsewhere, this is an older person's pasttime 
 like rock hounding, old time fiddlers, or classic cars.  Also, first 
 impressions for a lot of folks is that this is an expensive, elitist hobby to 
 get into. 
 
 We have a large fly tying expo in Albany, Oregon each year, and one friend, 
 who owns a major fly tying materials company, always points out how you can 
 look at the show floor and not see anyone visiting that is under 40.   
 
 I don't think there is any question that in the future, many flyshops and 
 fishing gear businesses will bite the dust, as there won't be the critical 
 mass of customers existing to sustain them.  Across the USA, fishing and 
 hunting licenses sales have been in a steep decline.  Our local FW 
 department has just announced a 35% cut in their budget due the poor license 
 sales and the Congressional sequester. 
 
 That's not to say there isn't a younger group out there,  but as Peggy noted, 
 they are more internet and social network oriented, and much of what they 
 learn is through YouTube, Vimeo and sites sporting video tutorials.  If you 
 want to see some of this younger crowd, attend a fly fishing film tour 
 showing. Membership in fly clubs is not seen as a cool way to spend your 
 time!   
 
 More than anything, IMO, families do not stress the outdoors like they used 
 to, due to lack of experience, time or money.  Every fly fisher I know grew 
 up in families that spend at lot of time outdoors fishing, camping and 
 hunting.  Also organizations like Cub and Boy Scouts were a lot more 
 prevalent.  Not having these resources, it is no wonder younger people fall 
 into other interests. 
 
 What we need is another the movie grin.  Transformers vs. the Wily Brown 
 Trout. 
 
 Wes
 
 
 
 
 
 On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 7:33 PM, Jimmy D. Moore ray...@earthlink.net wrote:
 
 Well put, Peggy
 JIM
 
 
 Peggy Brenner wrote:
 
 
 I think our ages reflect all the fly tying groups in general, however, we 
 are all for the most part active.  A good number of our over 50's are still 
 working, all of us volunteer in our areas and we have extended families to 
 take care of.
 
 Joyce, it's nice to see someone else in healthcare hanging in, it's 

Re: [VFB] Observations of VFB and age

2014-08-10 Thread Reuven Segal

What a great shame Tony.
The flies you refer to come ouot of Africa and although rubbish, still 
cost a good $2.50 here. I used to spend big for little return when 
starting out, before venturing into fly tying and spending big on 
materials. The old story..The Most Expensive Way to Save Money :)


I try to involve my kids in fixing things Ie putting in screws, 
tightening nuts, etc so that they will know how to take care of 
themselves and be able to change their own light bulbs. Laugh if you 
will but there are so many who simply cannot do it.


Shame they don't have the fishing bug (fishing fly?? very funny!!). I 
still enjoy using my grandfather's old tools. Shame he wasn't into 
making bamboo rods and fly fishing!






On 10/08/2014 4:04 AM, 'Anthony Spezio' via VFB Mail wrote:

I live in a rural area where they are lakes and rivers all around. One 
of the big business in the area is fishing and guiding on the lakes 
and ricers and creeks along with a lot of campgrounds. What we see 
here are many people leaving Wal-Mart with 15.00 spinning outfits on 
plastic covered cardboard kits. Our Wal-Mart quit carrying any type of 
fly fishing gear except a few flies in a package that fall apart after 
the first cast. We had three fly shops in the area. we now have only 
one and that one has changed hands three times since it opened. I have 
personally tutored a number of young  folks but as far as I know only 
three have stayed with it.
What bothers me most I have seven grandson and great grans sons but 
none are interested in fishing. No interest at all. When they visit, I 
never see their noses out of their cell phones or computer games. They 
are all addicted to them. My son in law is a good fly fisher but his 
some has absently no interest even though we have taken him out and he 
has caught some fish. I have also tried to teach him to tie, no interest.

Tony


On Saturday, August 9, 2014 10:43 AM, Wes Wada w...@wadaworks.com wrote:


We've had a lot of discussions around here about the state of 
flyfishing and tying, and whether there is enough new blood and 
interest to sustain it.


Our local flyclub also has youth programs such as Next Cast and 
Kokanee Carnival, but in general, like elsewhere, this is an older 
person's pasttime like rock hounding, old time fiddlers, or classic 
cars.  Also, first impressions for a lot of folks is that this is an 
expensive, elitist hobby to get into.


We have a large fly tying expo in Albany, Oregon each year, and one 
friend, who owns a major fly tying materials company, always points 
out how you can look at the show floor and not see anyone visiting 
that is under 40.


I don't think there is any question that in the future, many flyshops 
and fishing gear businesses will bite the dust, as there won't be the 
critical mass of customers existing to sustain them.  Across the USA, 
fishing and hunting licenses sales have been in a steep decline.  Our 
local FW department has just announced a 35% cut in their budget due 
the poor license sales and the Congressional sequester.


That's not to say there isn't a younger group out there,  but as Peggy 
noted, they are more internet and social network oriented, and much of 
what they learn is through YouTube, Vimeo and sites sporting video 
tutorials.  If you want to see some of this younger crowd, attend a 
fly fishing film tour showing. Membership in fly clubs is not seen as 
a cool way to spend your time!


More than anything, IMO, families do not stress the outdoors like they 
used to, due to lack of experience, time or money.  Every fly fisher I 
know grew up in families that spend at lot of time outdoors fishing, 
camping and hunting.  Also organizations like Cub and Boy Scouts were 
a lot more prevalent.  Not having these resources, it is no wonder 
younger people fall into other interests.


What we need is another the movie grin.  Transformers vs. the Wily 
Brown Trout.


Wes




On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 7:33 PM, Jimmy D. Moore ray...@earthlink.net 
mailto:ray...@earthlink.net wrote:


Well put, Peggy
JIM


Peggy Brenner wrote:

I think our ages reflect all the fly tying groups in general,
however, we are all for the most part active.  A good number
of our over 50's are still working, all of us volunteer in our
areas and we have extended families to take care of.

Joyce, it's nice to see someone else in healthcare hanging in,
it's the fastest changing industry right now and the pace is
picking up.

We had decided and planned to retire completely August 29, but
have decided we will each need a small business to dabble in.

Peggy


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Re: [VFB] Observations of VFB and age

2014-08-09 Thread Wes Wada
We've had a lot of discussions around here about the state of flyfishing
and tying, and whether there is enough new blood and interest to sustain it.

Our local flyclub also has youth programs such as Next Cast and Kokanee
Carnival, but in general, like elsewhere, this is an older person's
pasttime like rock hounding, old time fiddlers, or classic cars.  Also,
first impressions for a lot of folks is that this is an expensive, elitist
hobby to get into.

We have a large fly tying expo in Albany, Oregon each year, and one friend,
who owns a major fly tying materials company, always points out how you can
look at the show floor and not see anyone visiting that is under 40.

I don't think there is any question that in the future, many flyshops and
fishing gear businesses will bite the dust, as there won't be the critical
mass of customers existing to sustain them.  Across the USA, fishing and
hunting licenses sales have been in a steep decline.  Our local FW
department has just announced a 35% cut in their budget due the poor
license sales and the Congressional sequester.

That's not to say there isn't a younger group out there,  but as Peggy
noted, they are more internet and social network oriented, and much of what
they learn is through YouTube, Vimeo and sites sporting video tutorials.
 If you want to see some of this younger crowd, attend a fly fishing film
tour showing. Membership in fly clubs is not seen as a cool way to spend
your time!

More than anything, IMO, families do not stress the outdoors like they used
to, due to lack of experience, time or money.  Every fly fisher I know grew
up in families that spend at lot of time outdoors fishing, camping and
hunting.  Also organizations like Cub and Boy Scouts were a lot more
prevalent.  Not having these resources, it is no wonder younger people fall
into other interests.

What we need is another the movie grin.  Transformers vs. the Wily Brown
Trout.

Wes




On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 7:33 PM, Jimmy D. Moore ray...@earthlink.net wrote:

 Well put, Peggy
 JIM


 Peggy Brenner wrote:

  I think our ages reflect all the fly tying groups in general, however, we
 are all for the most part active.  A good number of our over 50's are still
 working, all of us volunteer in our areas and we have extended families to
 take care of.

 Joyce, it's nice to see someone else in healthcare hanging in, it's the
 fastest changing industry right now and the pace is picking up.

 We had decided and planned to retire completely August 29, but have
 decided we will each need a small business to dabble in.

 Peggy


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Re: [VFB] Observations of VFB and age

2014-08-09 Thread 'Anthony Spezio' via VFB Mail
I live in a rural area where they are lakes and rivers all around. One of the 
big business in the area is fishing and guiding on the lakes and ricers and 
creeks along with a lot of campgrounds. What we see here are many people 
leaving Wal-Mart with 15.00 spinning outfits on plastic covered cardboard kits. 
Our Wal-Mart quit carrying any type of fly fishing gear except a few flies in a 
package that fall apart after the first cast. We had three fly shops in the 
area. we now have only one and that one has changed hands three times since it 
opened. I have personally tutored a number of young  folks but as far as I know 
only three have stayed with it.
What bothers me most I have seven grandson and great grans sons but none are 
interested in fishing. No interest at all. When they visit, I never see their 
noses out of their cell phones or computer games. They are all addicted to 
them. My son in law is a good fly fisher but his some has absently no interest 
even though we have taken him out and he has caught some fish. I have also 
tried to teach him to tie, no interest.
Tony 


On Saturday, August 9, 2014 10:43 AM, Wes Wada w...@wadaworks.com wrote:
  


We've had a lot of discussions around here about the state of flyfishing and 
tying, and whether there is enough new blood and interest to sustain it. 

Our local flyclub also has youth programs such as Next Cast and Kokanee 
Carnival, but in general, like elsewhere, this is an older person's pasttime 
like rock hounding, old time fiddlers, or classic cars.  Also, first 
impressions for a lot of folks is that this is an expensive, elitist hobby to 
get into. 

We have a large fly tying expo in Albany, Oregon each year, and one friend, who 
owns a major fly tying materials company, always points out how you can look at 
the show floor and not see anyone visiting that is under 40.   

I don't think there is any question that in the future, many flyshops and 
fishing gear businesses will bite the dust, as there won't be the critical mass 
of customers existing to sustain them.  Across the USA, fishing and hunting 
licenses sales have been in a steep decline.  Our local FW department has just 
announced a 35% cut in their budget due the poor license sales and the 
Congressional sequester. 

That's not to say there isn't a younger group out there,  but as Peggy noted, 
they are more internet and social network oriented, and much of what they learn 
is through YouTube, Vimeo and sites sporting video tutorials.  If you want to 
see some of this younger crowd, attend a fly fishing film tour showing. 
Membership in fly clubs is not seen as a cool way to spend your time!   

More than anything, IMO, families do not stress the outdoors like they used to, 
due to lack of experience, time or money.  Every fly fisher I know grew up in 
families that spend at lot of time outdoors fishing, camping and hunting.  Also 
organizations like Cub and Boy Scouts were a lot more prevalent.  Not having 
these resources, it is no wonder younger people fall into other interests. 

What we need is another the movie grin.  Transformers vs. the Wily Brown 
Trout. 

Wes





On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 7:33 PM, Jimmy D. Moore ray...@earthlink.net wrote:

Well put, Peggy
JIM


Peggy Brenner wrote:


I think our ages reflect all the fly tying groups in general, however, we are 
all for the most part active.  A good number of our over 50's are still 
working, all of us volunteer in our areas and we have extended families to 
take care of.

Joyce, it's nice to see someone else in healthcare hanging in, it's the 
fastest changing industry right now and the pace is picking up.

We had decided and planned to retire completely August 29, but have decided 
we will each need a small business to dabble in.

Peggy
 
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[VFB] Observations of VFB and age

2014-08-09 Thread Neville Gosling
I have been fascinated by fish and their environs since a small child. I begged 
my parents to get me some fishing tackle and eventually, I received a hand line 
for sea fishing comprising of a lead weight and 3 hooks separated on wire 
booms. The line was wound around an H shaped handle and one stripped line onto 
the ground and then whirled the weighted hooks around and let go towards the 
sea.  My father didn't fish, but I believe that I have a deep instinct that 
makes me want to fish.

I don't think that you can make someone into a fly fisher person unless that 
person either has that deep instinct or interest and is not aware of it.  I 
know people that take up fly fishing and are very gung ho, only to lose 
interest and to move on to something else.


Neville (Nev) Gosling

The older I get, the better I was!



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Re: [VFB] Observations of VFB and age

2014-08-09 Thread 'Anthony Spezio' via VFB Mail
Nev,
I still have two of those. One is still brand new, never used. I got that one 
in a bunch of stuff that was given to me several years ago. That was also my 
first fishing thing. I caught my first trout on it. You could cast it out then 
hook the like on a bell that was on a length of spring wire with a bell on it. 
The wire had a hook bend in it to slip the line in. When the fish took the 
bait, the bell would ring. I think I was about 10 years old then. I think they 
cost a whole nickel at that time, that would of been 1939.
Tony 


On Saturday, August 9, 2014 1:34 PM, Neville Gosling nev.gosl...@shaw.ca 
wrote:
  


I have been fascinated by fish and their environs since a small child. I begged 
my parents to get me some fishing tackle and eventually, I received a hand line 
for sea fishing comprising of a lead weight and 3 hooks separated on wire 
booms. The line was wound around an H shaped handle and one stripped line onto 
the ground and then whirled the weighted hooks around and let go towards the 
sea.  My father didn't fish, but I believe that I have a deep instinct that 
makes me want to fish.

I don't think that you can make someone into a fly fisher person unless that 
person either has that deep instinct or interest and is not aware of it.  I 
know people that take up fly fishing and are very gung ho, only to lose 
interest and to move on to something else.


Neville (Nev) Gosling

The older I get, the better I was!



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[VFB] Observations of VFB and age

2014-08-08 Thread Peggy Brenner
I think our ages reflect all the fly tying groups in general, however, 
we are all for the most part active.  A good number of our over 50's are 
still working, all of us volunteer in our areas and we have extended 
families to take care of.


Joyce, it's nice to see someone else in healthcare hanging in, it's the 
fastest changing industry right now and the pace is picking up.


We had decided and planned to retire completely August 29, but have 
decided we will each need a small business to dabble in.


Peggy
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Re: [VFB] Observations of VFB and age

2014-08-08 Thread Jimmy D. Moore

Well put, Peggy
JIM

Peggy Brenner wrote:

I think our ages reflect all the fly tying groups in general, however, 
we are all for the most part active.  A good number of our over 50's 
are still working, all of us volunteer in our areas and we have 
extended families to take care of.


Joyce, it's nice to see someone else in healthcare hanging in, it's 
the fastest changing industry right now and the pace is picking up.


We had decided and planned to retire completely August 29, but have 
decided we will each need a small business to dabble in.


Peggy


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