[VFB] Re: FW: fly tying costs
The main thing I find on the cost is that most of the patterns that I use for my warmwater fly fishing are not available from any shop or catalogue. I thinkk that that makes tying them very inexpensive. Rick --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Strategic move to wait for others to lay the goodies all out in front of us. Like we say in Sweden: Riding on a schrimp sandwich... Spoilt or not... it sure is my kind of sandwich. ;o) /Jester -Original Message- From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Don Ordes Sent: 13 September 2009 05:51 To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: [VFB] Re: FW: fly tying costs Yeah, Nick, Don't even speak of genetic hackle back where I lived tying in the 60's- 'cause there wernt nun. I remember the drooling in the flyshops over every new genetic advances Mr. Hoffman was making in the late 70's and early 80's with his grizzly necks. If we had a sweet spot of two inches to tie one nice fly, we were in 7th heaven. It's just hard to believe what Dr. Tom and others are doing these days, especially with saddles. The advances in fly rods are also amazing. Bamboo is nice (I have 3 rods), but when it gets serious, I'll take a modern graphite any day. The wind here usually ends any thoughts of fishing with finesse. Everything's gotten so much better, and you and Jester are just spoilt. DonO - Original Message - From: Niclas Runarsson To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 11:37 AM Subject: [VFB] Re: FW: fly tying costs That's why some of us are still young. We didn't want to be the first tiers on earth. No point in being born in an era of hardly anything to chose from, when there were better times (and hackle quality) to come. Right Jester?Huh... did you say something? /Nick -Original Message- From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Don Ordes Sent: 12 September 2009 18:44 To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: [VFB] Re: FW: fly tying costs When I got into tying 45 or so years ago, it cost me nothing, per say. I tied with my fingers- no vise or bobbins, used dressmakers scissors, feathers from my pillow or BB-gun shot birds off the fence, and the like. Tied bluegill and panfish flies that caught one fish each, if I was lucky. 1st actual tying kit was $29.95 from Sears in the early 60's. So yes I got in cheap. 50 years later it's a hobby-business fishing support activity and I have $30,000+- in materials, hooks, tools, etc. Call it an investment. In late 50s and early 60s New Orleans, there was nothing to buy for flyfishing. My kit had to be ordered, as was everything else. Nothing in stores, no books, obviously no videos or DVDs, but also no tutors, computers, flyfishers in family, etc. This ws live bait country, and heavy lures were considered the fringe. Had no ideas except the few articles that were in Field and Stream, the only magazine my dad got, us being hunters 1st. What I would have given back then for a copy of The Fly Shop catalog and a Benchside Reference. But maybe learning the hard way built appreciation. Who knows? Maybe I'm making up now for the stuff I never could have when I was young. Buggs, what do you think? Z DonO - Original Message - From: Jeff Frye To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 9:58 PM Subject: [VFB] Re: FW: fly tying costs I have a buddy that is the only guy I know that saves money tying flies. He ties 10 patterns that he believes he can take just about anywhere and only owns the stuff for them. His whole kit fits in a shoebox. If he gets somewhere that requires a special, he just buys 'em. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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$350 to $400 doesn't even get you a decent vise and a good set of tools i'd have to say that if you wanna save money.buy your flies and ALL fly tyers, collect flies buy what you need for your fishin', and that's IT. But nobody does that..most fly fishers, and ALL fly tyers, collect flies 'Decent' is relative. The life time of a vise isn't measured in years but how much it has been in use. What qualifies as 'decent' to you would qualify as 'luxuary' to someone else. Some need a Rolex to see the time... while a no-name from the gas station is enough to others. ;o) I know several people who tie with the cheap tools they bought 30 years ago... and with the same cheap vise they bought 30 years ago. I had a friend (passed last summer) who tied on a vise that he had made himself, from parts of an old lawn mower. I know many who ties only what they need for his fishing... putting their stuff down in the box again as soon as the holes in the flyboxes are filled. Not a fly more than necessary... Some of them haven't done a material buy in years. Hooks have been all they have needed for a good while. So it's definitely possible to save money in tying your own flies... if you want to. Of course it takes a while longer to catch up with the cost for the tying stuff, with all these cheap flies from Africa and China available. But I don't doubt for a second that you can save money by tying your own flies... if that's what you want. I, myself, have failed... shopping obsession is very common in fly-tying. So much to chose from. H. That looks cool... and that... and that might come in handy one day... and I better take one of those too, while I'm here. HOLY SMOKE!!! A BOX OF CLOSE-OUTS! LOL /Nick -Original Message- From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Jeff Frye Sent: 12 September 2009 05:59 To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: [VFB] Re: FW: fly tying costs I have a buddy that is the only guy I know that saves money tying flies. He ties 10 patterns that he believes he can take just about anywhere and only owns the stuff for them. His whole kit fits in a shoebox. If he gets somewhere that requires a special, he just buys 'em. --- On Fri, 9/11/09, jim phillips desert-tr...@hotmail.com wrote: From: jim phillips desert-tr...@hotmail.com Subject: [VFB] FW: fly tying costs To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 10:14 PM FROM MARKI May your GOD be your fishing partner. Subject: RE: Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 19:55:19 -0600 $350 to $400 doesn't even get you a decent vise and a good set of tools...that was spoken like a true fly shop owner, lmao. suck 'em in easy...sink the fangs...and Drink the Blood. i'd have to say that if you wanna save money.buy your flies.course, that's only if your gonna buy what you need for your fishin', and that's IT. But nobody does that..most fly fishers, and ALL fly tyers, collect flies. So there goes a certain amount of $ right there. i have no way Jose' of a way to know what i have invested in vises, tools, materials, hooks and beads..but it's a small fortune by any stretch of the imagination. When you add in the VHS videos, DVD's, books, and all the rest of it...not to mention the artwork, and the tackle and gearOH, and the canoe and the kick boatwell, let's just say.Choices. Besides, who needs a villa in San Tropea anyway. LMAO! ..did a mention the fly collection? -- Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 17:44:36 -0700 From: rdzieg...@yahoo.com To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com; flyfishingandflytyingforpanf...@yahoogroups.com; flyfishingwo...@yahoogroups.com; hillcountryflyfish...@yahoogroups.com Most people say that tying flies to save money is a fallacy. What do you think? Well, I have sort of a different take on that. I tell most people it'll cost them $350 to $400 to really get into fly tying. That's tools, materials- everything you need to tie flies for fishing. That might seem like a bunch of money, but compared to the price of a lot of rods and reels, that's not bad. And for that money, I point out that they'll be getting a whole lot of flies in return. If you're smart about it, and you fish a lot, tying your own flies is a pretty good deal.' reply by Eddie Wyatt of the Fly Shop in Johnson City, Tennessee Rick -- With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. Click here. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed
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From: markflie...@hotmail.com May your GOD be your fishing partner. To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com I have a buddy that is the only guy I know that saves money tying flies. He ties 10 patterns that he believes he can take just about anywhere and only owns the stuff for them. His whole kit fits in a shoebox. If he gets somewhere that requires a special, he just buys 'em. From: markflie...@hotmail.com May your GOD be your fishing partner. Subject: RE: Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 19:55:19 -0600 $350 to $400 doesn't even get you a decent vise and a good set of tools...that was spoken like a true fly shop owner, lmao. suck 'em in easy...sink the fangs...and Drink the Blood. i'd have to say that if you wanna save money.buy your flies.course, that's only if your gonna buy what you need for your fishin', and that's IT. But nobody does that..most fly fishers, and ALL fly tyers, collect flies. So there goes a certain amount of $ right there. i have no way Jose' of a way to know what i have invested in vises, tools, materials, hooks and beads..but it's a small fortune by any stretch of the imagination. When you add in the VHS videos, DVD's, books, and all the rest of it...not to mention the artwork, and the tackle and gearOH, and the canoe and the kick boatwell, let's just say.Choices. Besides, who needs a villa in San Tropea anyway. LMAO! ..did a mention the fly collection? Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 17:44:36 -0700 From: rdzieg...@yahoo.com To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com; flyfishingandflytyingforpanf...@yahoogroups.com; flyfishingwo...@yahoogroups.com; hillcountryflyfish...@yahoogroups.com Most people say that tying flies to save money is a fallacy. What do you think? Well, I have sort of a different take on that. I tell most people it'll cost them $350 to $400 to really get into fly tying. That's tools, materials- everything you need to tie flies for fishing. That might seem like a bunch of money, but compared to the price of a lot of rods and reels, that's not bad. And for that money, I point out that they'll be getting a whole lot of flies in return. If you're smart about it, and you fish a lot, tying your own flies is a pretty good deal.' reply by Eddie Wyatt of the Fly Shop in Johnson City, Tennessee Rick With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. Click here. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[VFB] Re: FW: fly tying costs
It has been a LONG time since I have posted. Here is my two cents on the saving money. You can save money tying flies. However, you must be willing to spend extra time to procure and manufacture supplies and equipment. 1) find a taxidermist. Lots of material can be had for free - including some pretty exotic stuff (chamois or one of the many African antelopes for example). 2) find a trapper or hunter. I have a huge supply of materials from the hunts that I have gone on, and from my waterfowling friends. Grouse, pheasant, deer, rabbit, turkey, etc. free for the taking. You can get hungarian pats, exotic pheasants, quail at local game ranches, and hooking up with those hunters can pay off big. (I hunt these places on occasion, and have a nice stockpile of feathers and good eating.) Have gotten scraps of muskrat, otter, etc. from trappers, but trapping materials derived from trapping harder to come by. You can buy a lifetimes supply in one skin much cheaper than through a supply house. 3) Dying your own. Can be cheap if you use Rit Dyes and vinegar for a fixer. However, dying your own may not be cost effective for dubbing. Peroxide from local beauty shops has the proper concentration peroxide for bleaching. 4) alternative sourcing- local hardware store for wire, materials for tools (see below). Local five and dime's are great sources for hard as nails, nail poish, cork, foam sheet, various cements and glues, tinsels, etc. often cheaper than supply houses 5) make your own tools- I make some of my own tools. Bodkins from a piece of brass with a uphoulstry needle. Dubbing brushes from velcro epoxied to a bamboo chopstick, or a .22 cal cleaning brush epoxied to a piece of brass. Look up Leisers Fly Tying Materials, Modern Flytying Materials by Talleur, or Dyeing and Bleaching, Second Edition: Natural Fly-Tying Materials by Best. Might borrow from library or buy one used. I find that my biggest expenses other than a vise (I use a modified Renzetti traveler, but started with a Thompson Ultra) Still have the ultra, and have three other simple cheap vises around. Hackle pliers and bobbin. In terms of material, dry fly hackle is the big one. Concentrate on a good grizzly, medium dun, and a brown. Buy hooks strategically, a #12 dry fly hook can be weighted with fine copper wire to make an nymph or soft hackle hook. You do NOT have to buy two packs of a hundred. You can make flytying as cheap or as expensive as you want. I prefer to keep it on the cheap side. Eric Worm Reed City, MI 49677 A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. -Robert A. Heinlein From: jim phillips desert-tr...@hotmail.com To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 11:08:50 AM Subject: FW: [VFB] Re: FW: fly tying costs From: markflie...@hotmail.com May your GOD be your fishing partner. To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com I have a buddy that is the only guy I know that saves money tying flies. He ties 10 patterns that he believes he can take just about anywhere and only owns the stuff for them. His whole kit fits in a shoebox. If he gets somewhere that requires a special, he just buys 'em. From: markflie...@hotmail.com May your GOD be your fishing partner. Subject: RE: Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 19:55:19 -0600 $350 to $400 doesn't even get you a decent vise and a good set of tools...that was spoken like a true fly shop owner, lmao. suck 'em in easy...sink the fangs...and Drink the Blood. i'd have to say that if you wanna save money.buy your flies.course, that's only if your gonna buy what you need for your fishin', and that's IT. But nobody does that..most fly fishers, and ALL fly tyers, collect flies. So there goes a certain amount of $ right there. i have no way Jose' of a way to know what i have invested in vises, tools, materials, hooks and beads..but it's a small fortune by any stretch of the imagination. When you add in the VHS videos, DVD's, books, and all the rest of it...not to mention the artwork, and the tackle and gearOH, and the canoe and the kick boatwell, let's just say.Choices. Besides, who needs a villa in San Tropea anyway. LMAO! ..did a mention the fly collection? Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 17:44:36 -0700 From: rdzieg...@yahoo.com To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com; flyfishingandflytyingforpanf...@yahoogroups.com; flyfishingwo...@yahoogroups.com; hillcountryflyfish...@yahoogroups.com Most people
[VFB] Re: FW: fly tying costs
When I got into tying 45 or so years ago, it cost me nothing, per say. I tied with my fingers- no vise or bobbins, used dressmakers scissors, feathers from my pillow or BB-gun shot birds off the fence, and the like. Tied bluegill and panfish flies that caught one fish each, if I was lucky. 1st actual tying kit was $29.95 from Sears in the early 60's. So yes I got in cheap. 50 years later it's a hobby-business fishing support activity and I have $30,000+- in materials, hooks, tools, etc. Call it an investment. In late 50s and early 60s New Orleans, there was nothing to buy for flyfishing. My kit had to be ordered, as was everything else. Nothing in stores, no books, obviously no videos or DVDs, but also no tutors, computers, flyfishers in family, etc. This ws live bait country, and heavy lures were considered the fringe. Had no ideas except the few articles that were in Field and Stream, the only magazine my dad got, us being hunters 1st. What I would have given back then for a copy of The Fly Shop catalog and a Benchside Reference. But maybe learning the hard way built appreciation. Who knows? Maybe I'm making up now for the stuff I never could have when I was young. Buggs, what do you think? Z DonO - Original Message - From: Jeff Frye To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 9:58 PM Subject: [VFB] Re: FW: fly tying costs I have a buddy that is the only guy I know that saves money tying flies. He ties 10 patterns that he believes he can take just about anywhere and only owns the stuff for them. His whole kit fits in a shoebox. If he gets somewhere that requires a special, he just buys 'em. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[VFB] Re: FW: fly tying costs
That's why some of us are still young. We didn't want to be the first tiers on earth. No point in being born in an era of hardly anything to chose from, when there were better times (and hackle quality) to come. Right Jester?Huh... did you say something? /Nick -Original Message- From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Don Ordes Sent: 12 September 2009 18:44 To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: [VFB] Re: FW: fly tying costs When I got into tying 45 or so years ago, it cost me nothing, per say. I tied with my fingers- no vise or bobbins, used dressmakers scissors, feathers from my pillow or BB-gun shot birds off the fence, and the like. Tied bluegill and panfish flies that caught one fish each, if I was lucky. 1st actual tying kit was $29.95 from Sears in the early 60's. So yes I got in cheap. 50 years later it's a hobby-business fishing support activity and I have $30,000+- in materials, hooks, tools, etc. Call it an investment. In late 50s and early 60s New Orleans, there was nothing to buy for flyfishing. My kit had to be ordered, as was everything else. Nothing in stores, no books, obviously no videos or DVDs, but also no tutors, computers, flyfishers in family, etc. This ws live bait country, and heavy lures were considered the fringe. Had no ideas except the few articles that were in Field and Stream, the only magazine my dad got, us being hunters 1st. What I would have given back then for a copy of The Fly Shop catalog and a Benchside Reference. But maybe learning the hard way built appreciation. Who knows? Maybe I'm making up now for the stuff I never could have when I was young. Buggs, what do you think? Z DonO - Original Message - From: Jeff Frye To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 9:58 PM Subject: [VFB] Re: FW: fly tying costs I have a buddy that is the only guy I know that saves money tying flies. He ties 10 patterns that he believes he can take just about anywhere and only owns the stuff for them. His whole kit fits in a shoebox. If he gets somewhere that requires a special, he just buys 'em. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
FW: [VFB] Re: FW: fly tying costs
From: markflie...@hotmail.com
May your GOD be your fishing partner.
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 12:21:37 -0600
Keith Fulsher uses a bullet shell for a hair stackerin my early days of
tyin', i use to go to the Garmet district (Furiurs in the 30's on the west side
off Broadway), and get all kinds of fur scraps for free. Four/five different
fox furs, mink, chinchila, sable, etc., etc., etcsecond year ('03)
i went to Montana for the FFF I.C., in West Yellowstone, i went to a Pow
Wow.and got all kinna skins, Skunk, Cyote, Badger, Bobcat, Beaver,
Wolverine, Wolf tails, Muskrat, Goat, black and brown Bear, you name
it...and silver linned glass beads in every color and size...and all of
it was super cheap. Ya gotta 100 TeePees all set up and every one has the same
Stuff. All you gotta do is run back and forth with, but he told me...but
he said..you WILL get the BEST price.
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 08:57:11 -0700
From: flytyer...@yahoo.com
Subject: [VFB] Re: FW: fly tying costs
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
It has been a LONG time since I have posted. Here is my two cents on the
saving money.
You can save money tying flies. However, you must be willing to spend extra
time to procure and manufacture supplies and equipment.
1) find a taxidermist. Lots of material can be had for free - including some
pretty exotic stuff (chamois or one of the many African antelopes for example).
2) find a trapper or hunter. I have a huge supply of materials from the hunts
that I have gone on, and from my waterfowling friends. Grouse, pheasant, deer,
rabbit, turkey, etc. free for the taking. You can get hungarian pats, exotic
pheasants, quail at local game ranches, and hooking up with those hunters can
pay off big. (I hunt these places on occasion, and have a nice stockpile of
feathers and good eating.) Have gotten scraps of muskrat, otter, etc. from
trappers, but trapping materials derived from trapping harder to come by. You
can buy a lifetimes supply in one skin much cheaper than through a supply house.
3) Dying your own. Can be cheap if you use Rit Dyes and vinegar for a fixer.
However, dying your own may not be cost effective for dubbing. Peroxide from
local beauty shops has the proper concentration peroxide for bleaching.
4) alternative sourcing- local hardware store for wire, materials for tools
(see below). Local five and dime's are great sources for hard as nails, nail
poish, cork, foam sheet, various cements and glues, tinsels, etc. often cheaper
than supply houses
5) make your own tools- I make some of my own tools. Bodkins from a piece of
brass with a uphoulstry needle. Dubbing brushes from velcro epoxied to a
bamboo chopstick, or a .22 cal cleaning brush epoxied to a piece of brass.
Look up Leisers Fly Tying Materials, Modern Flytying Materials by Talleur, or
Dyeing and Bleaching, Second Edition: Natural Fly-Tying Materials by Best.
Might borrow from library or buy one used.
I find that my biggest expenses other than a vise (I use a modified Renzetti
traveler, but started with a Thompson Ultra) Still have the ultra, and have
three other simple cheap vises around. Hackle pliers and bobbin. In terms of
material, dry fly hackle is the big one. Concentrate on a good grizzly, medium
dun, and a brown. Buy hooks strategically, a #12 dry fly hook can be weighted
with fine copper wire to make an nymph or soft hackle hook. You do NOT have to
buy two packs of a hundred.
You can make flytying as cheap or as expensive as you want. I prefer to keep
it on the cheap side.
Eric Worm
Reed City, MI 49677
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a
hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a
wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act
alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a
computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization
is for insects.
-Robert A. Heinlein
From: jim phillips desert-tr...@hotmail.com
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 11:08:50 AM
Subject: FW: [VFB] Re: FW: fly tying costs
From: markflie...@hotmail.com
May your GOD be your fishing partner.
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
I have a buddy that is the only guy I know that saves money tying flies. He
ties 10 patterns that he believes he can take just about anywhere and only owns
the stuff for them. His whole kit fits in a shoebox. If he gets somewhere that
requires a special, he just buys 'em.
From: markflie...@hotmail.com
May your GOD be your fishing partner.
Subject: RE:
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 19:55:19 -0600
$350 to $400 doesn't even get you a decent vise and a good set of
tools...that was spoken like a true fly shop owner, lmao.
suck 'em in easy...sink the fangs...and Drink the Blood
[VFB] Re: FW: fly tying costs
Don, those were the good old days. That's nothing. Al Fish told me that they used to fashion their flies from bits of dinosaur fur lashed to rocks that they would throw at the trout. --- On Sat, 9/12/09, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote: From: Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com Subject: [VFB] Re: FW: fly tying costs To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, September 12, 2009, 11:44 AM When I got into tying 45 or so years ago, it cost me nothing, per say. I tied with my fingers- no vise or bobbins, used dressmakers scissors, feathers from my pillow or BB-gun shot birds off the fence, and the like. Tied bluegill and panfish flies that caught one fish each, if I was lucky. 1st actual tying kit was $29.95 from Sears in the early 60's. So yes I got in cheap. 50 years later it's a hobby-business fishing support activity and I have $30,000+- in materials, hooks, tools, etc. Call it an investment. In late 50s and early 60s New Orleans, there was nothing to buy for flyfishing. My kit had to be ordered, as was everything else. Nothing in stores, no books, obviously no videos or DVDs, but also no tutors, computers, flyfishers in family, etc. This ws live bait country, and heavy lures were considered the fringe. Had no ideas except the few articles that were in Field and Stream, the only magazine my dad got, us being hunters 1st. What I would have given back then for a copy of The Fly Shop catalog and a Benchside Reference. But maybe learning the hard way built appreciation. Who knows? Maybe I'm making up now for the stuff I never could have when I was young. Buggs, what do you think? Z DonO - Original Message - From: Jeff Frye To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 9:58 PM Subject: [VFB] Re: FW: fly tying costs I have a buddy that is the only guy I know that saves money tying flies. He ties 10 patterns that he believes he can take just about anywhere and only owns the stuff for them. His whole kit fits in a shoebox. If he gets somewhere that requires a special, he just buys 'em. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[VFB] Re: FW: fly tying costs
Yeah, Nick, Don't even speak of genetic hackle back where I lived tying in the 60's- 'cause there wernt nun. I remember the drooling in the flyshops over every new genetic advances Mr. Hoffman was making in the late 70's and early 80's with his grizzly necks. If we had a sweet spot of two inches to tie one nice fly, we were in 7th heaven. It's just hard to believe what Dr. Tom and others are doing these days, especially with saddles. The advances in fly rods are also amazing. Bamboo is nice (I have 3 rods), but when it gets serious, I'll take a modern graphite any day. The wind here usually ends any thoughts of fishing with finesse. Everything's gotten so much better, and you and Jester are just spoilt. DonO - Original Message - From: Niclas Runarsson To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 11:37 AM Subject: [VFB] Re: FW: fly tying costs That's why some of us are still young. We didn't want to be the first tiers on earth. No point in being born in an era of hardly anything to chose from, when there were better times (and hackle quality) to come. Right Jester?Huh... did you say something? /Nick -Original Message- From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Don Ordes Sent: 12 September 2009 18:44 To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: [VFB] Re: FW: fly tying costs When I got into tying 45 or so years ago, it cost me nothing, per say. I tied with my fingers- no vise or bobbins, used dressmakers scissors, feathers from my pillow or BB-gun shot birds off the fence, and the like. Tied bluegill and panfish flies that caught one fish each, if I was lucky. 1st actual tying kit was $29.95 from Sears in the early 60's. So yes I got in cheap. 50 years later it's a hobby-business fishing support activity and I have $30,000+- in materials, hooks, tools, etc. Call it an investment. In late 50s and early 60s New Orleans, there was nothing to buy for flyfishing. My kit had to be ordered, as was everything else. Nothing in stores, no books, obviously no videos or DVDs, but also no tutors, computers, flyfishers in family, etc. This ws live bait country, and heavy lures were considered the fringe. Had no ideas except the few articles that were in Field and Stream, the only magazine my dad got, us being hunters 1st. What I would have given back then for a copy of The Fly Shop catalog and a Benchside Reference. But maybe learning the hard way built appreciation. Who knows? Maybe I'm making up now for the stuff I never could have when I was young. Buggs, what do you think? Z DonO - Original Message - From: Jeff Frye To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 9:58 PM Subject: [VFB] Re: FW: fly tying costs I have a buddy that is the only guy I know that saves money tying flies. He ties 10 patterns that he believes he can take just about anywhere and only owns the stuff for them. His whole kit fits in a shoebox. If he gets somewhere that requires a special, he just buys 'em. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[VFB] Re: FW: fly tying costs
I have a buddy that is the only guy I know that saves money tying flies. He
ties 10 patterns that he believes he can take just about anywhere and only owns
the stuff for them. His whole kit fits in a shoebox. If he gets somewhere that
requires a special, he just buys 'em.
--- On Fri, 9/11/09, jim phillips desert-tr...@hotmail.com wrote:
From: jim phillips desert-tr...@hotmail.com
Subject: [VFB] FW: fly tying costs
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Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 10:14 PM
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$350 to $400 doesn't even get you a decent vise and a good set of
tools...that was spoken like a true fly shop owner, lmao.
suck 'em in easy...sink the fangs...and Drink the Blood.
i'd have to say that if you wanna save money.buy your
flies.course, that's only if your gonna buy what you need for your
fishin', and that's IT. But nobody does that..most fly fishers, and ALL
fly tyers, collect flies. So there goes a certain amount of $ right there. i
have no way Jose' of a way to know what i have invested in vises, tools,
materials, hooks and beads..but it's a small fortune by any stretch of
the imagination. When you add in the VHS videos, DVD's, books, and all the rest
of it...not to mention the artwork, and the tackle and gearOH, and
the canoe and the kick boatwell, let's just say.Choices.
Besides, who needs a villa in San Tropea anyway. LMAO! ..did a mention
the fly collection?
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 17:44:36 -0700
From: rdzieg...@yahoo.com
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com; flyfishingandflytyingforpanf...@yahoogroups.com;
flyfishingwo...@yahoogroups.com; hillcountryflyfish...@yahoogroups.com
Most people say that tying flies to save money is a fallacy. What do you think?
Well, I have sort of a different take on that. I tell most people it'll cost
them $350 to $400 to really get into fly tying. That's tools, materials-
everything you need to tie flies for fishing. That might seem like a bunch of
money, but compared to the price of a lot of rods and reels, that's not bad.
And for that money, I point out that they'll be getting a whole lot of flies in
return. If you're smart about it, and you fish a lot, tying your own flies is
a pretty good deal.'
reply by Eddie Wyatt of the Fly Shop in Johnson City, Tennessee
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