Re: CNG - was Re: [VFB] WHERE IS EVERY BODY?
Before I answer your questions, I want to make the case that this thread IS fishing related. Regardless of the politics of global warming I think all fishermen can agree that pollution, smog, acid rain and other such nasties that result from burning fossil fuels can be detrimental to our sport, so in that sense we are all environmentalists. Yet getting to where we want to fish, pulling a boat if we have one with a truck built to do the job adds to the pollution. An obvious alternative for a country literally swimming in natural gas is to move as many vehicles as possible to this resource, which is one of the least polluting sources of fossil fuel energy available. It is fun taking my boat to a reservoir and paying 1/3 as much for fuel costs, but it is also nice to know I am doing it without adding much to existing pollution. It would be nice to see a LOT more CNG (or LNG) vehicles on the road, but in many parts of the US there is simply no infrastructure to make it happen. Luckily for me, Utah is the CNG Mecca of the US, IMO. Only New York and California have more physical stations, and we have far more per-capita than either. At 93 cents a gallon, our CNG is also cheap. And that brings us back to your questions. Yes, it is sold by the gallon but I am sure it is actually calculating the gallon using a specified volume of natural gas. Apparently a gallon of natural gas has less energy than a gallon of gasoline, but it is close, since my mpg hit is only about 30%. Refilling is as simple as buying gas. The hose is hooked up to a nozzle on the side of my truck using a device similar to the quick release connectors used for compressed air. Then the pump is turned on by moving a lever, just as you do when buying gas. Then you turn a valve on the dispenser, and the CNG starts flowing into your vehicle. A lot flows in at first, but eventually the pressures equalize and the flow stops. As the gas is released, the pump indicates how many gallons were dispensed. When you are done, you turn the lever off and the gas pressure in the line is vented. There is a pressure gauge on side of the pump dispenser that should read 3500 psi. Sometimes it drops to 2500, when that happens, I am only able to fill my tank with half as much. A common greeting when pulling up to the pump among CNGers is The pressure is great today. The tanks are large and typically hold 13 gallons, but the only way to get that much in them is to have your own compressor in your garage, an option available to anyone, but pricey. Most tanks have a 30 year life, but have to be replaced after 15 years regardless of their condition (federal regulations). Conversions are available for most vehicles and cost anywhere from $5000 to $8000 dollars depending on whether the mechanic doing it is EPA certified. This is a political football around here, since Utah has a $2500 tax rebate for conversions done by EPA certified dealers, yet both use the exact same conversion kits, and if they aren't installed correctly they simply won't run. The difference between the two is the credentials of the mechanic doing the installation. If my facts are correct, doing a conversion is the only way to get a newer CNG truck, since no truck dealers offer Duel Fuel (gas and CNG) vehicles to the public (Ford still does them by special order for fleets). Liquid natural gas would be wonderful since you could pack a LOT more energy into your tank, but I don't think it is available. Propane is available, but costs more than gas. I don't know anything about propane technology. On May 20, 2010, at 12:13 PM, Don Ordes wrote: Tom, CNG is still a gas vapor, as opposed to LNG, which would be Liquified Nat. Gas. How are they selling a vapor in gallons? No stores around here that I've found, so I can't go check into it. What's the refilling like? Do they provide the tanks and conversion kits? I'd still have plenty of power since my 3/4ton has a 8.1 liter gasser. My other is a diesel, so it wouldn't work. DonO - Original Message - From: Tom Davenport t...@comcast.net To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 10:39 PM Subject: Re: CNG - was Re: [VFB] WHERE IS EVERY BODY? My truck is one of many white Ford F-150 that are on the road with the CNG sticker on the back. They stem from a law (now defunct) requiring government fleets to have twenty percent of the their vehicles use a green fuel. Most used either propane or CNG (compressed natural gas). All of them started life as conventional gasoline engines that were prepped for CNG conversion, and they will run on either gasoline or CNG. The law lapsed, and as the trucks aged they were sold from the fleets. The truck has more power when running on gasoline and better mpg. I get 18 mpg on the freeway with gasoline, only 14 to 15 with natural gas. I don't know what my city mileage would
Re: CNG - was Re: [VFB] WHERE IS EVERY BODY?
Tom, CNG is still a gas vapor, as opposed to LNG, which would be Liquified Nat. Gas. How are they selling a vapor in gallons? No stores around here that I've found, so I can't go check into it. What's the refilling like? Do they provide the tanks and conversion kits? I'd still have plenty of power since my 3/4ton has a 8.1 liter gasser. My other is a diesel, so it wouldn't work. DonO - Original Message - From: Tom Davenport t...@comcast.net To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 10:39 PM Subject: Re: CNG - was Re: [VFB] WHERE IS EVERY BODY? My truck is one of many white Ford F-150 that are on the road with the CNG sticker on the back. They stem from a law (now defunct) requiring government fleets to have twenty percent of the their vehicles use a green fuel. Most used either propane or CNG (compressed natural gas). All of them started life as conventional gasoline engines that were prepped for CNG conversion, and they will run on either gasoline or CNG. The law lapsed, and as the trucks aged they were sold from the fleets. The truck has more power when running on gasoline and better mpg. I get 18 mpg on the freeway with gasoline, only 14 to 15 with natural gas. I don't know what my city mileage would be with gasoline since I have never tried it, but with natural gas, it is pretty dismal... around 11 mpg. But with gas costing over $3.00 a gallon, and CNG at 93 cents a gallon, it is like driving a 8-cylinder truck getting 33 mpg! There are several downsides to owning CNG. As Don pointed out, it is hard to pack much natural gas in the tank. Mine is 13 gallons, but I have never been able to fill it with more than 9. How much you can actually put in a tank depends entirely on the current pressure of the refilling station . Sometimes the pressure has been so low that I could only get five gallons into an empty 13 gallon tank! Not only that, CNG stations are few and far between. There are only three between Ogden and Salt Lake City, (but one of them I go past every day on my way to work). The cost of natural gas varies widely from state to state. In Utah, all of the CNG stations are run buy Questar, our natural gas provider. They are located at regular gas stations, but I pay by credit card directly to Questar. I bought the truck primarily for fishing. I can get to all of my most frequented reservoirs using natural gas, and it pulls my boat FAR better than my old 4 cylinder Toyota Tacoma! On May 18, 2010, at 6:24 PM, Allan Fish wrote: Tom said, bought a truck that uses CNG so not only can I go fishing green, but I can go cheap! (currently $.93 cents a gallon) Interesting to look at the prices of CNG across the country. ALL of the Utah stations are 93｢/gallon. All of the Indiana stations are $1.73 (and few and far between). California stations ranged from $1.09 San Jose Unified School District - a flet operation) to $4.25 per gallon (Napa - Redwood Chevron). Source: http://www.cngprices.com/ a. -- Allan Fish Greenwood, IN afi...@sbcglobal.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
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Compressed natural gas. Compressing the gas changes it to a liquid form. Which is cheaper to transport store. -Original Message- From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Allan Fish Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 9:07 PM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: CNG - was Re: [VFB] WHERE IS EVERY BODY? What does the C in CNG stand for I looked it up and in Bama it's only available in Birmingham, but is only $1.37 per gallon, vs $282.9 per gallon of regular gas. BIG difference. I had an Uncle who converted his truck to run on propane. he got better mileage and he pulled the spark plugs after 50 THOUSAND miles and they looked to be in brand new condition. Chuck Apparently it's CLEAN Natural Gas (as opposed to dirty) I don't really understand it either. a. -- Allan Fish Greenwood, IN afi...@sbcglobal.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
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Nevermind... -Original Message- From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Don Ordes Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 9:21 PM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: CNG - was Re: [VFB] WHERE IS EVERY BODY? Chuck, C = Compressed, as opposed to liquified. Propane is liquified (by refrigeraton) for containers (my job), and thus needs no compression, and it's vapor pressure is within safe limits, depending on it purity, avg. (about 188# pure) but with different amounts of ethane and methane the pressure can be up in the 200's. Compressed Natural Gas (CNG- mainly methane gas, plus ethane and others) is still in the vapor state, but the pressure is up to 3600 psi (less tha 1% of it's atmospheric volume) in order to concentrate enough fuel into a cylinder to carry it around. (Pure methane's vapor pressure is 5000# at 100deg. F.) CNG's energy per the volume of the container is less than half of a liquified natural gas, such as propane (the liquid propane is obviously much more dense and has a higher BTU rating). Use your BBQ pit for an example. Propane makes the hottest flames due to higher BTU value. Changer over to home natural gas and you need bigger jets to get the same heat- less BTU in natural gas. Methane gas is the lightest (C1H4) and has the least btu value, so much more of it must be used to have the same BTU. For tow vehicles, the higher the btu rating the more energy is there for work and thus more polution. The highest HP ratio fuel is diesel, then gasoline, then butane (rarely used as fuel), then propane, then natural gas, then methane gas. So try to tow your gooseneck burning methane gas (fart gas) and you're not going to get there very fast. Offhand, I don't know of any local stores selling CNG. I'll have to check the web. I don't know how comfortable I'd be carrying that bomb around with me- propane is bad enough. Looking for references of equivalent octane ratings for propane, ethane, and methane fuels. (Octane rating is not energy rating but anti-detonation rating.)(Also not the same as the octane molecule C8H18.) Don - Original Message - From: Chuck Alexander chuckalexan...@hughes.net To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 7:19 PM Subject: Re: CNG - was Re: [VFB] WHERE IS EVERY BODY? What does the C in CNG stand for I looked it up and in Bama it's only available in Birmingham, but is only $1.37 per gallon, vs $282.9 per gallon of regular gas. BIG difference. I had an Uncle who converted his truck to run on propane. he got better mileage and he pulled the spark plugs after 50 THOUSAND miles and they looked to be in brand new condition. Chuck - Original Message - From: Allan Fish afi...@sbcglobal.net To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 7:24 PM Subject: CNG - was Re: [VFB] WHERE IS EVERY BODY? Tom said, bought a truck that uses CNG so not only can I go fishing green, but I can go cheap! (currently $.93 cents a gallon) Interesting to look at the prices of CNG across the country. ALL of the Utah stations are 93｢/gallon. All of the Indiana stations are $1.73 (and few and far between). California stations ranged from $1.09 San Jose Unified School District - a flet operation) to $4.25 per gallon (Napa - Redwood Chevron). Source: http://www.cngprices.com/ a. -- Allan Fish Greenwood, IN afi...@sbcglobal.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2882 - Release Date: 05/18/10 13:26:00 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group
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I think what was meant by clean is natural gas burns much cleaner than gasoline. It's also cleaner in that no refining process is involved that could pollute the atmosphere. Perhaps a better way of looking at it is that Natural gas is mined in the US and thus we are not dependant on foreign oil. I suspect more things in this country will be converted to natural gas in the near future. As an example, I have a weed whacker that runs on propane, it said to produce 30% less emissions than a 2 stroke, gasoline powered weed whacker. I'm in the process of converting my push mower to run on propane, just have to find the right size propane cylinder to make it feasible. A twenty pound propane cylinder is to heavy but the small 14 ounce cylinders can't flow enough to power it and/or power it for very long. Wayne --- On Wed, 5/19/10, J Balmer jbal...@a5.com wrote: From: J Balmer jbal...@a5.com Subject: RE: CNG - was Re: [VFB] WHERE IS EVERY BODY? To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2010, 9:09 AM Compressed natural gas. Compressing the gas changes it to a liquid form. Which is cheaper to transport store. -Original Message- From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Allan Fish Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 9:07 PM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: CNG - was Re: [VFB] WHERE IS EVERY BODY? What does the C in CNG stand for I looked it up and in Bama it's only available in Birmingham, but is only $1.37 per gallon, vs $282.9 per gallon of regular gas. BIG difference. I had an Uncle who converted his truck to run on propane. he got better mileage and he pulled the spark plugs after 50 THOUSAND miles and they looked to be in brand new condition. Chuck Apparently it's CLEAN Natural Gas (as opposed to dirty) I don't really understand it either. a. -- Allan Fish Greenwood, IN afi...@sbcglobal.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
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Tom: How are you feeling? I'm ready to fish. I sent you a note a week ago about making a reel seat insert for a rod I intend to re-finish. I have a lot of walnut, and would donate some to your supply if you want. Talk to me about fishing, too. I have not been. Tom Davenport t...@comcast.net 5/18/2010 5:52 PM I'm lurking. I will be retiring in three weeks, and then you might hear too much of me! Lately I have been chasing after strange fish... Bass, Wall Eye and Wipers, using even stranger equipment: flimsy mono line (that it hard to strip), cheap reels, and lots of plastic things and balsa things with scary hooks. Mainly because that is what my son likes to use, and I'll do anything to have him go fishing with me. Its also easier for two people on a boat. But when I go out alone, or fish for trout (who are old, familiar friends) I still take my fly rod with me. I haven't fallen too far from the true religion. With summer coming on I will be looking for fishing buddies on weekdays when my son is working. Are you ready, Larry? Or anyone else in my neck of the woods? I bought a truck that uses CNG so not only can I go fishing green, but I can go cheap! (currently $.93 cents a gallon) Tom Davenport On May 17, 2010, at 12:58 PM, Jimmy D. Moore wrote: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
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Oops. I should've read through all my e-mails. Sorry for the duplication. LJ Tom Davenport t...@comcast.net 5/18/2010 5:52 PM I'm lurking. I will be retiring in three weeks, and then you might hear too much of me! Lately I have been chasing after strange fish... Bass, Wall Eye and Wipers, using even stranger equipment: flimsy mono line (that it hard to strip), cheap reels, and lots of plastic things and balsa things with scary hooks. Mainly because that is what my son likes to use, and I'll do anything to have him go fishing with me. Its also easier for two people on a boat. But when I go out alone, or fish for trout (who are old, familiar friends) I still take my fly rod with me. I haven't fallen too far from the true religion. With summer coming on I will be looking for fishing buddies on weekdays when my son is working. Are you ready, Larry? Or anyone else in my neck of the woods? I bought a truck that uses CNG so not only can I go fishing green, but I can go cheap! (currently $.93 cents a gallon) Tom Davenport On May 17, 2010, at 12:58 PM, Jimmy D. Moore wrote: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
RE: CNG - was Re: [VFB] WHERE IS EVERY BODY?
I think what was meant by clean is natural gas burns much cleaner than gasoline. It's also cleaner in that no refining process is invol Thanks, Wayne. A. -- Allan Fish Greenwood, IN afi...@sbcglobal.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
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Wayne: I see. I know that we recently completed the world's largest drilling operation for natural gas in the world up in Alaska (in the last few years it was anyway), so I think you're right, it will be used more in the future as a fuel than in the past, Chuck - Original Message - From: Wayne Blake-Hedges To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 9:18 AM Subject: RE: CNG - was Re: [VFB] WHERE IS EVERY BODY? I think what was meant by clean is natural gas burns much cleaner than gasoline. It's also cleaner in that no refining process is involved that could pollute the atmosphere. Perhaps a better way of looking at it is that Natural gas is mined in the US and thus we are not dependant on foreign oil. I suspect more things in this country will be converted to natural gas in the near future. As an example, I have a weed whacker that runs on propane, it said to produce 30% less emissions than a 2 stroke, gasoline powered weed whacker. I'm in the process of converting my push mower to run on propane, just have to find the right size propane cylinder to make it feasible. A twenty pound propane cylinder is to heavy but the small 14 ounce cylinders can't flow enough to power it and/or power it for very long. Wayne --- On Wed, 5/19/10, J Balmer jbal...@a5.com wrote: From: J Balmer jbal...@a5.com Subject: RE: CNG - was Re: [VFB] WHERE IS EVERY BODY? To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2010, 9:09 AM Compressed natural gas. Compressing the gas changes it to a liquid form. Which is cheaper to transport store. -Original Message- From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Allan Fish Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 9:07 PM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: CNG - was Re: [VFB] WHERE IS EVERY BODY? What does the C in CNG stand for I looked it up and in Bama it's only available in Birmingham, but is only $1.37 per gallon, vs $282.9 per gallon of regular gas. BIG difference. I had an Uncle who converted his truck to run on propane. he got better mileage and he pulled the spark plugs after 50 THOUSAND miles and they looked to be in brand new condition. Chuck Apparently it's CLEAN Natural Gas (as opposed to dirty) I don't really understand it either. a. -- Allan Fish Greenwood, IN afi...@sbcglobal.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2882 - Release Date: 05/18/10 13:26:00 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
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I see. Thanks, Chuck - Original Message - From: J Balmer jbal...@a5.com To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 8:09 AM Subject: RE: CNG - was Re: [VFB] WHERE IS EVERY BODY? Compressed natural gas. Compressing the gas changes it to a liquid form. Which is cheaper to transport store. -Original Message- From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Allan Fish Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 9:07 PM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: CNG - was Re: [VFB] WHERE IS EVERY BODY? What does the C in CNG stand for I looked it up and in Bama it's only available in Birmingham, but is only $1.37 per gallon, vs $282.9 per gallon of regular gas. BIG difference. I had an Uncle who converted his truck to run on propane. he got better mileage and he pulled the spark plugs after 50 THOUSAND miles and they looked to be in brand new condition. Chuck Apparently it's CLEAN Natural Gas (as opposed to dirty) I don't really understand it either. a. -- Allan Fish Greenwood, IN afi...@sbcglobal.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2882 - Release Date: 05/18/10 13:26:00 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
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Don: I see. I must be getting more forgetful in my old age than I thought. I JUST recently saw a program about all this on either the Discovery channel or the History channel one. I wouldn't like the idea of driving around with ANYTHING under than much pressure in the tank either, Chuck - Original Message - From: Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 9:20 PM Subject: Re: CNG - was Re: [VFB] WHERE IS EVERY BODY? Chuck, C = Compressed, as opposed to liquified. Propane is liquified (by refrigeraton) for containers (my job), and thus needs no compression, and it's vapor pressure is within safe limits, depending on it purity, avg. (about 188# pure) but with different amounts of ethane and methane the pressure can be up in the 200's. Compressed Natural Gas (CNG- mainly methane gas, plus ethane and others) is still in the vapor state, but the pressure is up to 3600 psi (less tha 1% of it's atmospheric volume) in order to concentrate enough fuel into a cylinder to carry it around. (Pure methane's vapor pressure is 5000# at 100deg. F.) CNG's energy per the volume of the container is less than half of a liquified natural gas, such as propane (the liquid propane is obviously much more dense and has a higher BTU rating). Use your BBQ pit for an example. Propane makes the hottest flames due to higher BTU value. Changer over to home natural gas and you need bigger jets to get the same heat- less BTU in natural gas. Methane gas is the lightest (C1H4) and has the least btu value, so much more of it must be used to have the same BTU. For tow vehicles, the higher the btu rating the more energy is there for work and thus more polution. The highest HP ratio fuel is diesel, then gasoline, then butane (rarely used as fuel), then propane, then natural gas, then methane gas. So try to tow your gooseneck burning methane gas (fart gas) and you're not going to get there very fast. Offhand, I don't know of any local stores selling CNG. I'll have to check the web. I don't know how comfortable I'd be carrying that bomb around with me- propane is bad enough. Looking for references of equivalent octane ratings for propane, ethane, and methane fuels. (Octane rating is not energy rating but anti-detonation rating.)(Also not the same as the octane molecule C8H18.) Don - Original Message - From: Chuck Alexander chuckalexan...@hughes.net To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 7:19 PM Subject: Re: CNG - was Re: [VFB] WHERE IS EVERY BODY? What does the C in CNG stand for I looked it up and in Bama it's only available in Birmingham, but is only $1.37 per gallon, vs $282.9 per gallon of regular gas. BIG difference. I had an Uncle who converted his truck to run on propane. he got better mileage and he pulled the spark plugs after 50 THOUSAND miles and they looked to be in brand new condition. Chuck - Original Message - From: Allan Fish afi...@sbcglobal.net To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 7:24 PM Subject: CNG - was Re: [VFB] WHERE IS EVERY BODY? Tom said, bought a truck that uses CNG so not only can I go fishing green, but I can go cheap! (currently $.93 cents a gallon) Interesting to look at the prices of CNG across the country. ALL of the Utah stations are 93｢/gallon. All of the Indiana stations are $1.73 (and few and far between). California stations ranged from $1.09 San Jose Unified School District - a flet operation) to $4.25 per gallon (Napa - Redwood Chevron). Source: http://www.cngprices.com/ a. -- Allan Fish Greenwood, IN afi...@sbcglobal.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2882 - Release Date: 05/18/10 13:26:00 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc
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Don: He just said it was cheaper to run, so I assumed (that bad word LOL) that's what he meant. He does own a concrete pumping company out of Douglassville GA (or did at the time) so all his trucks ran off propane, so that is probably what he meant, Chuck Maybe you can answer this.. I know it's off topic, but it IS on topic to us, cause the more money we make, the more often we can go fishing. My wife has cooked and sold boiled peanuts for 25 years now. And when we carry our 20 pound propane bottles to the propane place to get them filled, they fill them all the way full. When we just exchange then at the racks you find around town now, they are only filled to 80%. The propane guy told us he though it was some federal law about having the bottles too full.. I know we get 20% or less cook time per bottle off the rack and that is right into our slim profit margin.. - Original Message - From: Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 9:24 PM Subject: Re: CNG - was Re: [VFB] WHERE IS EVERY BODY? Chuck, I believe the part about cleaner plugs (less carbon), but propane has nowhere the energy of gasoline, so I don't see how he could have gotten better mpg. If propane was cheaper by a lot, he may have gotten better miles per dollar, but not miles per gallon. DonO - Original Message - From: Chuck Alexander chuckalexan...@hughes.net To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 7:19 PM Subject: Re: CNG - was Re: [VFB] WHERE IS EVERY BODY? What does the C in CNG stand for I looked it up and in Bama it's only available in Birmingham, but is only $1.37 per gallon, vs $282.9 per gallon of regular gas. BIG difference. I had an Uncle who converted his truck to run on propane. he got better mileage and he pulled the spark plugs after 50 THOUSAND miles and they looked to be in brand new condition. Chuck - Original Message - From: Allan Fish afi...@sbcglobal.net To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 7:24 PM Subject: CNG - was Re: [VFB] WHERE IS EVERY BODY? Tom said, bought a truck that uses CNG so not only can I go fishing green, but I can go cheap! (currently $.93 cents a gallon) Interesting to look at the prices of CNG across the country. ALL of the Utah stations are 93｢/gallon. All of the Indiana stations are $1.73 (and few and far between). California stations ranged from $1.09 San Jose Unified School District - a flet operation) to $4.25 per gallon (Napa - Redwood Chevron). Source: http://www.cngprices.com/ a. -- Allan Fish Greenwood, IN afi...@sbcglobal.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2882 - Release Date: 05/18/10 13:26:00 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2882 - Release Date: 05/18/10 13:26:00 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
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Hi Chuck; I'm guessing it's a safety thing, those propane exchange racks could sit in the sun and heat up the bottles raising the pressure. Lower fill volumes would act as a safety. Either that or those places do it to make higher profits and label it a safety issue. Wayne --- On Wed, 5/19/10, Chuck Alexander chuckalexan...@hughes.net wrote: From: Chuck Alexander chuckalexan...@hughes.net Subject: Re: CNG - was Re: [VFB] WHERE IS EVERY BODY? To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2010, 3:41 PM Don: He just said it was cheaper to run, so I assumed (that bad word LOL) that's what he meant. He does own a concrete pumping company out of Douglassville GA (or did at the time) so all his trucks ran off propane, so that is probably what he meant, Chuck Maybe you can answer this.. I know it's off topic, but it IS on topic to us, cause the more money we make, the more often we can go fishing. My wife has cooked and sold boiled peanuts for 25 years now. And when we carry our 20 pound propane bottles to the propane place to get them filled, they fill them all the way full. When we just exchange then at the racks you find around town now, they are only filled to 80%. The propane guy told us he though it was some federal law about having the bottles too full.. I know we get 20% or less cook time per bottle off the rack and that is right into our slim profit margin.. - Original Message - From: Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 9:24 PM Subject: Re: CNG - was Re: [VFB] WHERE IS EVERY BODY? Chuck, I believe the part about cleaner plugs (less carbon), but propane has nowhere the energy of gasoline, so I don't see how he could have gotten better mpg. If propane was cheaper by a lot, he may have gotten better miles per dollar, but not miles per gallon. DonO - Original Message - From: Chuck Alexander chuckalexan...@hughes.net To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 7:19 PM Subject: Re: CNG - was Re: [VFB] WHERE IS EVERY BODY? What does the C in CNG stand for I looked it up and in Bama it's only available in Birmingham, but is only $1.37 per gallon, vs $282.9 per gallon of regular gas. BIG difference. I had an Uncle who converted his truck to run on propane. he got better mileage and he pulled the spark plugs after 50 THOUSAND miles and they looked to be in brand new condition. Chuck - Original Message - From: Allan Fish afi...@sbcglobal.net To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 7:24 PM Subject: CNG - was Re: [VFB] WHERE IS EVERY BODY? Tom said, bought a truck that uses CNG so not only can I go fishing green, but I can go cheap! (currently $.93 cents a gallon) Interesting to look at the prices of CNG across the country. ALL of the Utah stations are 93｢/gallon. All of the Indiana stations are $1.73 (and few and far between). California stations ranged from $1.09 San Jose Unified School District - a flet operation) to $4.25 per gallon (Napa - Redwood Chevron). Source: http://www.cngprices.com/ a. -- Allan Fish Greenwood, IN afi...@sbcglobal.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2882 - Release Date: 05/18/10 13:26:00 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2882 - Release Date: 05/18/10 13:26:00 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr
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*see below - Original Message - From: Chuck Alexander chuckalexan...@hughes.net To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 1:41 PM Subject: Re: CNG - was Re: [VFB] WHERE IS EVERY BODY? Don: He just said it was cheaper to run, so I assumed (that bad word LOL) that's what he meant. He does own a concrete pumping company out of Douglassville GA (or did at the time) *I used to live in Villa Rica, my wife's home town, and drove through Douglasville every day to get to the 'unfinished at the time' I-20 to drive into Atlanta (NE even). Ate at the Paragon Restaurant many times and bought my 1st pickem-up truck there. (parts of 1973/4/5) so all his trucks ran off propane, so that is probably what he meant, Chuck Maybe you can answer this.. I know it's off topic, but it IS on topic to us, cause the more money we make, the more often we can go fishing. My wife has cooked and sold boiled peanuts for 25 years now. And when we carry our 20 pound propane bottles to the propane place to get them filled, they fill them all the way full. *This practice is now illegal and is deemed dangerous by the propane industry. Propane liquid expands with heat and there needs to be a vapor pocket above the liquid, and thus all the hullabalou about the new overfill protection nozzles required for all tanks filled at stations. It has to do with the capacity of the relief valve. When we just exchange then at the racks you find around town now, they are only filled to 80%. The propane guy told us he though it was some federal law about having the bottles too full.. I know we get 20% or less cook time per bottle off the rack and that is right into our slim profit margin.. *You should be paying for the propane by the gallon, so it wouldn't matter dollar-wise if the tank wasn't full when you bought it. It just wouldn't last as long. I'd get the weight (minus the cyl.) and see what they are charging you per gallon or per pound, and make the conversion. (see internet) Vended propane has to meet the new regs., and if you can get your tanks filled to capacity, you must have the old style valve, and every legit refill station has rules against filling these, but again, you live in Abalama. ;o) lol *Please send my wife some boiled peanuts. DonO - Original Message - From: Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 9:24 PM Subject: Re: CNG - was Re: [VFB] WHERE IS EVERY BODY? Chuck, I believe the part about cleaner plugs (less carbon), but propane has nowhere the energy of gasoline, so I don't see how he could have gotten better mpg. If propane was cheaper by a lot, he may have gotten better miles per dollar, but not miles per gallon. DonO - Original Message - From: Chuck Alexander chuckalexan...@hughes.net To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 7:19 PM Subject: Re: CNG - was Re: [VFB] WHERE IS EVERY BODY? What does the C in CNG stand for I looked it up and in Bama it's only available in Birmingham, but is only $1.37 per gallon, vs $282.9 per gallon of regular gas. BIG difference. I had an Uncle who converted his truck to run on propane. he got better mileage and he pulled the spark plugs after 50 THOUSAND miles and they looked to be in brand new condition. Chuck - Original Message - From: Allan Fish afi...@sbcglobal.net To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 7:24 PM Subject: CNG - was Re: [VFB] WHERE IS EVERY BODY? Tom said, bought a truck that uses CNG so not only can I go fishing green, but I can go cheap! (currently $.93 cents a gallon) Interesting to look at the prices of CNG across the country. ALL of the Utah stations are 93｢/gallon. All of the Indiana stations are $1.73 (and few and far between). California stations ranged from $1.09 San Jose Unified School District - a flet operation) to $4.25 per gallon (Napa - Redwood Chevron). Source: http://www.cngprices.com/ a. -- Allan Fish Greenwood, IN afi...@sbcglobal.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2882 - Release Date: 05/18/10 13:26:00 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail
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My truck is one of many white Ford F-150 that are on the road with the CNG sticker on the back. They stem from a law (now defunct) requiring government fleets to have twenty percent of the their vehicles use a green fuel. Most used either propane or CNG (compressed natural gas). All of them started life as conventional gasoline engines that were prepped for CNG conversion, and they will run on either gasoline or CNG. The law lapsed, and as the trucks aged they were sold from the fleets. The truck has more power when running on gasoline and better mpg. I get 18 mpg on the freeway with gasoline, only 14 to 15 with natural gas. I don't know what my city mileage would be with gasoline since I have never tried it, but with natural gas, it is pretty dismal... around 11 mpg. But with gas costing over $3.00 a gallon, and CNG at 93 cents a gallon, it is like driving a 8-cylinder truck getting 33 mpg! There are several downsides to owning CNG. As Don pointed out, it is hard to pack much natural gas in the tank. Mine is 13 gallons, but I have never been able to fill it with more than 9. How much you can actually put in a tank depends entirely on the current pressure of the refilling station . Sometimes the pressure has been so low that I could only get five gallons into an empty 13 gallon tank! Not only that, CNG stations are few and far between. There are only three between Ogden and Salt Lake City, (but one of them I go past every day on my way to work). The cost of natural gas varies widely from state to state. In Utah, all of the CNG stations are run buy Questar, our natural gas provider. They are located at regular gas stations, but I pay by credit card directly to Questar. I bought the truck primarily for fishing. I can get to all of my most frequented reservoirs using natural gas, and it pulls my boat FAR better than my old 4 cylinder Toyota Tacoma! On May 18, 2010, at 6:24 PM, Allan Fish wrote: Tom said, bought a truck that uses CNG so not only can I go fishing green, but I can go cheap! (currently $.93 cents a gallon) Interesting to look at the prices of CNG across the country. ALL of the Utah stations are 93¢/gallon. All of the Indiana stations are $1.73 (and few and far between). California stations ranged from $1.09 San Jose Unified School District - a flet operation) to $4.25 per gallon (Napa - Redwood Chevron). Source: http://www.cngprices.com/ a. -- Allan Fish Greenwood, IN afi...@sbcglobal.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
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Lurking. Would like to claim I'm busy fishing. Gary L Webb -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
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Glad to say: FISHING! (by the time I get to Saturday, it will have been 7 out of 9 days.) Wes Wada Bend, Oregon -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
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You need to find some time for fishing. Arkansas Tony --- On Mon, 5/17/10, Wayne Blake-Hedges wayneb22...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Wayne Blake-Hedges wayneb22...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [VFB] WHERE IS EVERY BODY? To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 10:19 PM WORK And work at home! Busy at work, need to rebuild engine in wife's car(she ran it with out oil), picked up oldest daughter from college then turned around next day and dropped her off at airport for school trip. wife out of town on business trip and finally driving youngest to soccer game and taking her out for driving lessons. Mowing lawn, then I'm replacing the kitchen cabinets this summer. Some time this summer I hope to wet a line once in a while. Wayne --- On Mon, 5/17/10, Jimmy D. Moore ray...@earthlink.net wrote: From: Jimmy D. Moore ray...@earthlink.net Subject: [VFB] WHERE IS EVERY BODY? To: Virtual Fly Box vfb-mail@googlegroups.com, Fly Fishing World flyfishingwo...@yahoogroups.com, Hill Coountry Fly Fishers hillcountryflyfish...@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 2:58 PM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
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I'm lurking. I will be retiring in three weeks, and then you might hear too much of me! Lately I have been chasing after strange fish... Bass, Wall Eye and Wipers, using even stranger equipment: flimsy mono line (that it hard to strip), cheap reels, and lots of plastic things and balsa things with scary hooks. Mainly because that is what my son likes to use, and I'll do anything to have him go fishing with me. Its also easier for two people on a boat. But when I go out alone, or fish for trout (who are old, familiar friends) I still take my fly rod with me. I haven't fallen too far from the true religion. With summer coming on I will be looking for fishing buddies on weekdays when my son is working. Are you ready, Larry? Or anyone else in my neck of the woods? I bought a truck that uses CNG so not only can I go fishing green, but I can go cheap! (currently $.93 cents a gallon) Tom Davenport On May 17, 2010, at 12:58 PM, Jimmy D. Moore wrote: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
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Where's your neck of the woods? I too, fish for strange fish, except for the wipers. Still use a fly rod though... -Original Message- From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Davenport Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 6:52 PM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [VFB] WHERE IS EVERY BODY? I'm lurking. I will be retiring in three weeks, and then you might hear too much of me! Lately I have been chasing after strange fish... Bass, Wall Eye and Wipers, using even stranger equipment: flimsy mono line (that it hard to strip), cheap reels, and lots of plastic things and balsa things with scary hooks. Mainly because that is what my son likes to use, and I'll do anything to have him go fishing with me. Its also easier for two people on a boat. But when I go out alone, or fish for trout (who are old, familiar friends) I still take my fly rod with me. I haven't fallen too far from the true religion. With summer coming on I will be looking for fishing buddies on weekdays when my son is working. Are you ready, Larry? Or anyone else in my neck of the woods? I bought a truck that uses CNG so not only can I go fishing green, but I can go cheap! (currently $.93 cents a gallon) Tom Davenport On May 17, 2010, at 12:58 PM, Jimmy D. Moore wrote: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
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Tom said, bought a truck that uses CNG so not only can I go fishing green, but I can go cheap! (currently $.93 cents a gallon) Interesting to look at the prices of CNG across the country. ALL of the Utah stations are 93¢/gallon. All of the Indiana stations are $1.73 (and few and far between). California stations ranged from $1.09 San Jose Unified School District - a flet operation) to $4.25 per gallon (Napa - Redwood Chevron). Source: http://www.cngprices.com/ a. -- Allan Fish Greenwood, IN afi...@sbcglobal.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
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California stations ranged from $1.09 San Jose Unified School District - a flet operation) Make that a FLEET operation. -- Allan Fish Greenwood, IN afi...@sbcglobal.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
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Chuck, C = Compressed, as opposed to liquified. Propane is liquified (by refrigeraton) for containers (my job), and thus needs no compression, and it's vapor pressure is within safe limits, depending on it purity, avg. (about 188# pure) but with different amounts of ethane and methane the pressure can be up in the 200's. Compressed Natural Gas (CNG- mainly methane gas, plus ethane and others) is still in the vapor state, but the pressure is up to 3600 psi (less tha 1% of it's atmospheric volume) in order to concentrate enough fuel into a cylinder to carry it around. (Pure methane's vapor pressure is 5000# at 100deg. F.) CNG's energy per the volume of the container is less than half of a liquified natural gas, such as propane (the liquid propane is obviously much more dense and has a higher BTU rating). Use your BBQ pit for an example. Propane makes the hottest flames due to higher BTU value. Changer over to home natural gas and you need bigger jets to get the same heat- less BTU in natural gas. Methane gas is the lightest (C1H4) and has the least btu value, so much more of it must be used to have the same BTU. For tow vehicles, the higher the btu rating the more energy is there for work and thus more polution. The highest HP ratio fuel is diesel, then gasoline, then butane (rarely used as fuel), then propane, then natural gas, then methane gas. So try to tow your gooseneck burning methane gas (fart gas) and you're not going to get there very fast. Offhand, I don't know of any local stores selling CNG. I'll have to check the web. I don't know how comfortable I'd be carrying that bomb around with me- propane is bad enough. Looking for references of equivalent octane ratings for propane, ethane, and methane fuels. (Octane rating is not energy rating but anti-detonation rating.)(Also not the same as the octane molecule C8H18.) Don - Original Message - From: Chuck Alexander chuckalexan...@hughes.net To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 7:19 PM Subject: Re: CNG - was Re: [VFB] WHERE IS EVERY BODY? What does the C in CNG stand for I looked it up and in Bama it's only available in Birmingham, but is only $1.37 per gallon, vs $282.9 per gallon of regular gas. BIG difference. I had an Uncle who converted his truck to run on propane. he got better mileage and he pulled the spark plugs after 50 THOUSAND miles and they looked to be in brand new condition. Chuck - Original Message - From: Allan Fish afi...@sbcglobal.net To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 7:24 PM Subject: CNG - was Re: [VFB] WHERE IS EVERY BODY? Tom said, bought a truck that uses CNG so not only can I go fishing green, but I can go cheap! (currently $.93 cents a gallon) Interesting to look at the prices of CNG across the country. ALL of the Utah stations are 93｢/gallon. All of the Indiana stations are $1.73 (and few and far between). California stations ranged from $1.09 San Jose Unified School District - a flet operation) to $4.25 per gallon (Napa - Redwood Chevron). Source: http://www.cngprices.com/ a. -- Allan Fish Greenwood, IN afi...@sbcglobal.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2882 - Release Date: 05/18/10 13:26:00 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
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Chuck, I believe the part about cleaner plugs (less carbon), but propane has nowhere the energy of gasoline, so I don't see how he could have gotten better mpg. If propane was cheaper by a lot, he may have gotten better miles per dollar, but not miles per gallon. DonO - Original Message - From: Chuck Alexander chuckalexan...@hughes.net To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 7:19 PM Subject: Re: CNG - was Re: [VFB] WHERE IS EVERY BODY? What does the C in CNG stand for I looked it up and in Bama it's only available in Birmingham, but is only $1.37 per gallon, vs $282.9 per gallon of regular gas. BIG difference. I had an Uncle who converted his truck to run on propane. he got better mileage and he pulled the spark plugs after 50 THOUSAND miles and they looked to be in brand new condition. Chuck - Original Message - From: Allan Fish afi...@sbcglobal.net To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 7:24 PM Subject: CNG - was Re: [VFB] WHERE IS EVERY BODY? Tom said, bought a truck that uses CNG so not only can I go fishing green, but I can go cheap! (currently $.93 cents a gallon) Interesting to look at the prices of CNG across the country. ALL of the Utah stations are 93｢/gallon. All of the Indiana stations are $1.73 (and few and far between). California stations ranged from $1.09 San Jose Unified School District - a flet operation) to $4.25 per gallon (Napa - Redwood Chevron). Source: http://www.cngprices.com/ a. -- Allan Fish Greenwood, IN afi...@sbcglobal.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2882 - Release Date: 05/18/10 13:26:00 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
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Fishing related? Yes. Conversion kits are available, but I'd only have a multifuel set-up, so I could burn gas, propane, or CNG. Don't want to be halfway to my fishing hole and run out of CNG and not have a back-up. DonO - Original Message - From: Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 8:20 PM Subject: Re: CNG - was Re: [VFB] WHERE IS EVERY BODY? Chuck, C = Compressed, as opposed to liquified. Propane is liquified (by refrigeraton) for containers (my job), and thus needs no compression, and it's vapor pressure is within safe limits, depending on it purity, avg. (about 188# pure) but with different amounts of ethane and methane the pressure can be up in the 200's. Compressed Natural Gas (CNG- mainly methane gas, plus ethane and others) is still in the vapor state, but the pressure is up to 3600 psi (less tha 1% of it's atmospheric volume) in order to concentrate enough fuel into a cylinder to carry it around. (Pure methane's vapor pressure is 5000# at 100deg. F.) CNG's energy per the volume of the container is less than half of a liquified natural gas, such as propane (the liquid propane is obviously much more dense and has a higher BTU rating). Use your BBQ pit for an example. Propane makes the hottest flames due to higher BTU value. Changer over to home natural gas and you need bigger jets to get the same heat- less BTU in natural gas. Methane gas is the lightest (C1H4) and has the least btu value, so much more of it must be used to have the same BTU. For tow vehicles, the higher the btu rating the more energy is there for work and thus more polution. The highest HP ratio fuel is diesel, then gasoline, then butane (rarely used as fuel), then propane, then natural gas, then methane gas. So try to tow your gooseneck burning methane gas (fart gas) and you're not going to get there very fast. Offhand, I don't know of any local stores selling CNG. I'll have to check the web. I don't know how comfortable I'd be carrying that bomb around with me- propane is bad enough. Looking for references of equivalent octane ratings for propane, ethane, and methane fuels. (Octane rating is not energy rating but anti-detonation rating.)(Also not the same as the octane molecule C8H18.) Don - Original Message - From: Chuck Alexander chuckalexan...@hughes.net To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 7:19 PM Subject: Re: CNG - was Re: [VFB] WHERE IS EVERY BODY? What does the C in CNG stand for I looked it up and in Bama it's only available in Birmingham, but is only $1.37 per gallon, vs $282.9 per gallon of regular gas. BIG difference. I had an Uncle who converted his truck to run on propane. he got better mileage and he pulled the spark plugs after 50 THOUSAND miles and they looked to be in brand new condition. Chuck - Original Message - From: Allan Fish afi...@sbcglobal.net To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 7:24 PM Subject: CNG - was Re: [VFB] WHERE IS EVERY BODY? Tom said, bought a truck that uses CNG so not only can I go fishing green, but I can go cheap! (currently $.93 cents a gallon) Interesting to look at the prices of CNG across the country. ALL of the Utah stations are 93｢/gallon. All of the Indiana stations are $1.73 (and few and far between). California stations ranged from $1.09 San Jose Unified School District - a flet operation) to $4.25 per gallon (Napa - Redwood Chevron). Source: http://www.cngprices.com/ a. -- Allan Fish Greenwood, IN afi...@sbcglobal.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2882 - Release Date: 05/18/10 13:26:00 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because
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I is here, loud and clear. Larry J Jimmy D. Moore ray...@earthlink.net 5/17/2010 12:58 PM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
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Some of us are in Bloomington IL... -Original Message- From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jimmy D. Moore Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 1:58 PM To: Virtual Fly Box; Fly Fishing World; Hill Coountry Fly Fishers Subject: [VFB] WHERE IS EVERY BODY? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
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Germany... J Balmer wrote: Some of us are in Bloomington IL... -Original Message- From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jimmy D. Moore Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 1:58 PM To: Virtual Fly Box; Fly Fishing World; Hill Coountry Fly Fishers Subject: [VFB] WHERE IS EVERY BODY? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
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Canada! -Original Message- From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jimmy D. Moore Sent: May 17, 2010 11:58 AM To: Virtual Fly Box; Fly Fishing World; Hill Coountry Fly Fishers Subject: [VFB] WHERE IS EVERY BODY? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
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Unfortunately very busy today, I need to go fishing in a far a way place. Jerry McKaughan,President Caddis Fly Fishing Club P. O. Box 9104 Russellville, AR 72811 www.caddisflyfishers.org Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 13:58:02 -0500 From: ray...@earthlink.net To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com; flyfishingwo...@yahoogroups.com; hillcountryflyfish...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [VFB] WHERE IS EVERY BODY? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com _ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccountocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
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I need to go fishing anywhere. Not too fond of waving long sticks of carbon around in storms though. From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of J McK Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 3:10 PM To: Fly Swap Subject: RE: [VFB] WHERE IS EVERY BODY? Unfortunately very busy today, I need to go fishing in a far a way place. Jerry McKaughan,President Caddis Fly Fishing Club P. O. Box 9104 Russellville, AR 72811 www.caddisflyfishers.org http://www.caddisflyfishers.org/ Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 13:58:02 -0500 From: ray...@earthlink.net To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com; flyfishingwo...@yahoogroups.com; hillcountryflyfish...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [VFB] WHERE IS EVERY BODY? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com _ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. Get busy. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccountocid=PID28 326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
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Switzerland -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Thomas R. Eckert mailto:royalcoach...@bluewin.ch -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
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We have had a load iof them this past week and more to come. Tony --- On Mon, 5/17/10, J Balmer jbal...@a5.com wrote: From: J Balmer jbal...@a5.com Subject: RE: [VFB] WHERE IS EVERY BODY? To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 3:12 PM I need to go fishing anywhere. Not too fond of waving long sticks of carbon around in storms though… From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of J McK Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 3:10 PM To: Fly Swap Subject: RE: [VFB] WHERE IS EVERY BODY? Unfortunately very busy today, I need to go fishing in a far a way place. Jerry McKaughan,President Caddis Fly Fishing Club P. O. Box 9104 Russellville, AR 72811 www.caddisflyfishers.org Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 13:58:02 -0500 From: ray...@earthlink.net To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com; flyfishingwo...@yahoogroups.com; hillcountryflyfish...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [VFB] WHERE IS EVERY BODY? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. Get busy. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
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WORK And work at home! Busy at work, need to rebuild engine in wife's car(she ran it with out oil), picked up oldest daughter from college then turned around next day and dropped her off at airport for school trip. wife out of town on business trip and finally driving youngest to soccer game and taking her out for driving lessons. Mowing lawn, then I'm replacing the kitchen cabinets this summer. Some time this summer I hope to wet a line once in a while. Wayne --- On Mon, 5/17/10, Jimmy D. Moore ray...@earthlink.net wrote: From: Jimmy D. Moore ray...@earthlink.net Subject: [VFB] WHERE IS EVERY BODY? To: Virtual Fly Box vfb-mail@googlegroups.com, Fly Fishing World flyfishingwo...@yahoogroups.com, Hill Coountry Fly Fishers hillcountryflyfish...@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 2:58 PM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
