RE: [videoblogging] Re:From Mac *TO* PC -- Should I Switch?

2008-06-11 Thread Jake Ludington
 I can agree that purchase one..maybe two warranties on products can be
 a wise choice.  This is especially true if you are in a financial
 situation where you shouldn't be purchasing the product in the first
 place.

Or if you're in a situation where wasting your time on downtime would be a
greater inconvenience than being out the money. For instance, with
AppleCare, the inconvenience on the iPhone might have been $60 had it not
paid off. Without it, the inconvenience would have been no phone until the
warranty repair turned it around in a couple of weeks (and/or buying another
phone). In that case, the potential of losing $60 was lower risk than the
risk of being out a phone for 2 weeks. The added bonus of having a new phone
in under 15 minutes made the $60 an easy decision. 

 It's just important to remember that either decision you make is a
 bet and the one that gives you the better odds is the decision of
 *not* buying extended warranties.  Not the other way around.

That entirely depends on what you're factoring for. Time is way more
important to me than the extra $100 or $200 for bigger ticket items. If I
spend $100 to insure against losing both the item and my time, the $100 is a
no brainer.

Does that mean you should buy an extended warranty for everything? Certainly
not.

Jake Ludington

http://www.jakeludington.com




Re: [videoblogging] Re:From Mac *TO* PC -- Should I Switch?

2008-06-11 Thread Patrick Delongchamp
Another thing to definitely consider.

but getting back to the topic at hand, i'd summarize the conversation
as the following:

Mac - It's much more expensive but a better value and you'll be very happy
PC - You'll be reasonably happy and have more money in your pocket but
you'll have a higher learning curve.

On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Jake Ludington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I can agree that purchase one..maybe two warranties on products can be
 a wise choice. This is especially true if you are in a financial
 situation where you shouldn't be purchasing the product in the first
 place.

 Or if you're in a situation where wasting your time on downtime would be a
 greater inconvenience than being out the money. For instance, with
 AppleCare, the inconvenience on the iPhone might have been $60 had it not
 paid off. Without it, the inconvenience would have been no phone until the
 warranty repair turned it around in a couple of weeks (and/or buying another
 phone). In that case, the potential of losing $60 was lower risk than the
 risk of being out a phone for 2 weeks. The added bonus of having a new phone
 in under 15 minutes made the $60 an easy decision.

 It's just important to remember that either decision you make is a
 bet and the one that gives you the better odds is the decision of
 *not* buying extended warranties. Not the other way around.

 That entirely depends on what you're factoring for. Time is way more
 important to me than the extra $100 or $200 for bigger ticket items. If I
 spend $100 to insure against losing both the item and my time, the $100 is a
 no brainer.

 Does that mean you should buy an extended warranty for everything? Certainly
 not.

 Jake Ludington

 http://www.jakeludington.com

 


[videoblogging] Recommendations for a small camera (Xacti or other) to shoot in India

2008-06-11 Thread scoobyfox
Hey all,

I'm heading to India for my honeymoon and the entire summer and plan to vlog 
and do some 
interviews from there.
I *do not* plan to bring my macbook.  I just want to bring a firewire or usb 
cable and upload 
at cafes.

It needs to be small, light and easy to travel with and have decent sound.

Recommendations?

(and it you know of any simple web-based editing tools, let me know!)

heather



Re: [videoblogging] Re:From Mac *TO* PC -- Should I Switch?

2008-06-11 Thread Roxanne Darling
Macs are not much more expensive. Sorry to challenge that one! Just do a
google search and read some of the posts.  (Again, we use both in our
office.  People on this list have agreed that PC's are harder to use.)
iMovie and iPhoto and iTunes come free - and Rocketboom used those tools and
so did Beach Walks for well over a year before switching to FCP.  You CAN
produce a professional, highly edited product using the FREE software.
(iMovie 6 is great editor - iMovie 8 not so much but that is another
thread).

Mac monitors have a more humane flicker rate so you won;'t go insane
sitting in front of one all day. Already insane? Fine, get a Mac Mini for
only and use your old Dell monitor and keyboard and being able to run Mac
and PC on that sweet little box.

Macs by default have better video cards. Most PC people I know end up
upgrading the default card. Makes sense - most office workers (PC's largest
target market) don't need good video cards, they are supposed to be writing
Word docs and crunching Excel worksheets all day, so why load up a PC with
one?  But (snark alert) last I checked, this is a list for video creators.
Do you tools support you or frustrate you?

Here is a side by side chart:
http://www.myspace-modifier.com/macintosh/the-mac-is-more-expensive-thats-crap/#

Of course Macs are not perfect. No machine, no company, no person is. I've
used them for over 20 years and  had great response from them.  But then
when something goes wrong, I call calmly assuming it will be fixed not
ranting that it should never have broken in the first place.  (Hint hint -
how to get good customer service)

This message started off with a comparison from a very old Mac to a brand
new top of the line Mac. Yes, you are going to spend some bucks taking that
route. But that doesn't mean Macs are more expensive. It means you have
champagne taste, and I will be the first to raise a glass to that!  I always
buy the best computer I can possibly afford at each new milestone, knowing
it will last me longer.  I still have a 12 G4 laptop and it serves as a
great bookkeeping and surf-while-watching-TV machine.  We just gave a 6-year
old eMac running Tiger to a friend for her 3-year old.  The thing only cost
$899 when it was brand new, it still looks great and performs just fine if
you are not in a big hurry.

I rarely choose to rant on this list. It's kinda fun to get out of my box
though. :-)

Aloha and thanks for listening,

Rox




On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 5:53 AM, Patrick Delongchamp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

   Another thing to definitely consider.

 but getting back to the topic at hand, i'd summarize the conversation
 as the following:

 Mac - It's much more expensive but a better value and you'll be very happy
 PC - You'll be reasonably happy and have more money in your pocket but
 you'll have a higher learning curve.

 On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Jake Ludington [EMAIL 
 PROTECTED]jake%40jakeludington.com
 wrote:
  I can agree that purchase one..maybe two warranties on products can be
  a wise choice. This is especially true if you are in a financial
  situation where you shouldn't be purchasing the product in the first
  place.
 
  Or if you're in a situation where wasting your time on downtime would be
 a
  greater inconvenience than being out the money. For instance, with
  AppleCare, the inconvenience on the iPhone might have been $60 had it not
  paid off. Without it, the inconvenience would have been no phone until
 the
  warranty repair turned it around in a couple of weeks (and/or buying
 another
  phone). In that case, the potential of losing $60 was lower risk than the
  risk of being out a phone for 2 weeks. The added bonus of having a new
 phone
  in under 15 minutes made the $60 an easy decision.
 
  It's just important to remember that either decision you make is a
  bet and the one that gives you the better odds is the decision of
  *not* buying extended warranties. Not the other way around.
 
  That entirely depends on what you're factoring for. Time is way more
  important to me than the extra $100 or $200 for bigger ticket items. If I
  spend $100 to insure against losing both the item and my time, the $100
 is a
  no brainer.
 
  Does that mean you should buy an extended warranty for everything?
 Certainly
  not.
 
  Jake Ludington
 
  http://www.jakeludington.com
 
 
  




-- 
Roxanne Darling
o ke kai means of the sea in hawaiian
Join us at the reef! Mermaid videos, geeks talking, and lots more
http://reef.beachwalks.tv
808-384-5554
Video -- http://www.beachwalks.tv
Company --  http://www.barefeetstudios.com
Twitter-- http://www.twitter.com/roxannedarling


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[videoblogging] Re: Recommendations for a small camera (Xacti or other) to shoot in India

2008-06-11 Thread Susan
I always recommend Sony. T300, I think it takes 10MP pictures now.
Mine is a T100, and it takes 8MP pictures.  In fine 640x480 mode, the
movies are as good as from a video camera (IMHO), and it's a lot
smaller than an xacti, and it's flat so you can slip it in the front
pocket of your pants if you want.

If you're worried about waterproof, you can go on ebay and find
something called a DicaPac, it's a waterproof case for like fifteen
bucks. Granted, you won't get audio right out of a bag, but your
camera will be protected and you don't have to spend hundreds more for
a waterproof camera.

I have a Digital Foci hard drive photo/video viewer, and I bring it
with me on trips like yours; at the end of the day (or whenever you
fill up your card), you can copy your photos/videos to the hard drive,
and empty out the card to use over again. I think mine has a 160GB
hard drive in it. It's not a big name brand sony or an epson, but it
was cheap and it works AWESOME.

Hope this helps :)
Susan 
http://www.kitykity.com

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, scoobyfox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hey all,
 
 I'm heading to India for my honeymoon and the entire summer and plan
to vlog and do some 
 interviews from there.
 I *do not* plan to bring my macbook.  I just want to bring a
firewire or usb cable and upload 
 at cafes.
 
 It needs to be small, light and easy to travel with and have decent
sound.
 
 Recommendations?
 
 (and it you know of any simple web-based editing tools, let me know!)
 
 heather





Re: [videoblogging] Re:From Mac *TO* PC -- Should I Switch?

2008-06-11 Thread Patrick Delongchamp
true, but we're talking about notebook computers.  I think we would
both agree that Mac notebooks are generally much more expensive
(though a better value) than notebook PCs available in Best Buy for
example.  Macbooks start at 1099 USD, whereas Bestbuy Notebook PCs
start at half the price.

I think it was a pretty reasonable statement.

On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Roxanne Darling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Macs are not much more expensive. Sorry to challenge that one! Just do a
 google search and read some of the posts. (Again, we use both in our
 office. People on this list have agreed that PC's are harder to use.)
 iMovie and iPhoto and iTunes come free - and Rocketboom used those tools and
 so did Beach Walks for well over a year before switching to FCP. You CAN
 produce a professional, highly edited product using the FREE software.
 (iMovie 6 is great editor - iMovie 8 not so much but that is another
 thread).

 Mac monitors have a more humane flicker rate so you won;'t go insane
 sitting in front of one all day. Already insane? Fine, get a Mac Mini for
 only and use your old Dell monitor and keyboard and being able to run Mac
 and PC on that sweet little box.

 Macs by default have better video cards. Most PC people I know end up
 upgrading the default card. Makes sense - most office workers (PC's largest
 target market) don't need good video cards, they are supposed to be writing
 Word docs and crunching Excel worksheets all day, so why load up a PC with
 one? But (snark alert) last I checked, this is a list for video creators.
 Do you tools support you or frustrate you?

 Here is a side by side chart:
 http://www.myspace-modifier.com/macintosh/the-mac-is-more-expensive-thats-crap/#

 Of course Macs are not perfect. No machine, no company, no person is. I've
 used them for over 20 years and had great response from them. But then
 when something goes wrong, I call calmly assuming it will be fixed not
 ranting that it should never have broken in the first place. (Hint hint -
 how to get good customer service)

 This message started off with a comparison from a very old Mac to a brand
 new top of the line Mac. Yes, you are going to spend some bucks taking that
 route. But that doesn't mean Macs are more expensive. It means you have
 champagne taste, and I will be the first to raise a glass to that! I always
 buy the best computer I can possibly afford at each new milestone, knowing
 it will last me longer. I still have a 12 G4 laptop and it serves as a
 great bookkeeping and surf-while-watching-TV machine. We just gave a 6-year
 old eMac running Tiger to a friend for her 3-year old. The thing only cost
 $899 when it was brand new, it still looks great and performs just fine if
 you are not in a big hurry.

 I rarely choose to rant on this list. It's kinda fun to get out of my box
 though. :-)

 Aloha and thanks for listening,

 Rox

 On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 5:53 AM, Patrick Delongchamp
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 Another thing to definitely consider.

 but getting back to the topic at hand, i'd summarize the conversation
 as the following:

 Mac - It's much more expensive but a better value and you'll be very happy
 PC - You'll be reasonably happy and have more money in your pocket but
 you'll have a higher learning curve.

 On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Jake Ludington
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]jake%40jakeludington.com
 wrote:
  I can agree that purchase one..maybe two warranties on products can be
  a wise choice. This is especially true if you are in a financial
  situation where you shouldn't be purchasing the product in the first
  place.
 
  Or if you're in a situation where wasting your time on downtime would be
 a
  greater inconvenience than being out the money. For instance, with
  AppleCare, the inconvenience on the iPhone might have been $60 had it
  not
  paid off. Without it, the inconvenience would have been no phone until
 the
  warranty repair turned it around in a couple of weeks (and/or buying
 another
  phone). In that case, the potential of losing $60 was lower risk than
  the
  risk of being out a phone for 2 weeks. The added bonus of having a new
 phone
  in under 15 minutes made the $60 an easy decision.
 
  It's just important to remember that either decision you make is a
  bet and the one that gives you the better odds is the decision of
  *not* buying extended warranties. Not the other way around.
 
  That entirely depends on what you're factoring for. Time is way more
  important to me than the extra $100 or $200 for bigger ticket items. If
  I
  spend $100 to insure against losing both the item and my time, the $100
 is a
  no brainer.
 
  Does that mean you should buy an extended warranty for everything?
 Certainly
  not.
 
  Jake Ludington
 
  http://www.jakeludington.com
 
 



 --
 Roxanne Darling
 o ke kai means of the sea in hawaiian
 Join us at the reef! Mermaid videos, geeks talking, and lots more
 http://reef.beachwalks.tv
 808-384-5554
 Video -- 

[videoblogging] Re: Free Beer to the person who can explain the steps of recording

2008-06-11 Thread Renat Zarbailov
Save your hair and use Camtasia 5 from TechSmith, export to any web
format right out of it without going to any NLE.
Always perfect tutorials with menu zoom and all.

Renat Zarbailov of Innomind.org


--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jennifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 So I've been pulling my hair out for weeks and just when I think I 
 get close to having my 24 minute tutorial online for my team to 
 see...something stops me DEAD in my tracks.
 
 I'm trying to record my audio and video (great quality not needed) 
 of my screen (outlook, excel, browser, etc) so that my team can 
 start taking more tasks off my plate.
 
 I would prefer to stick with CamStudio for now.  I have 20 different 
 people telling me to use 20 different software products and until I 
 can figure out how to use the free one, I'm not going to start 
 plunking down $300 a whack.
 
 I've been through  every HOW TO RECORD SCREENS video on YouTube, 
 Revver, SHOWMEDO etc and I have come to a few conclusions:
 
 1. CamStudio will work just fine for what I need
 2. The AVI file it produces is too large and I heard that it depends 
 on the codec involved.
 3. I'm clueless on the best compression method at this point and 
 again I'm under the impression that using the same codec is 
 important.
 4. If I export to a SWF, audioacrobat can take it but bloats it up 
 ten time bigger than original
 5. If I export it to WVM it's all fuzzy and I lose the ability to 
 see the text.
 
 I've redcued my screen reso to 800x600 before recording and tried to 
 keep the end result at 640x480.  I've tested both WMV, SWF, FLV and 
 all come with issues.  I've tried Reply, CamTasia, Media Manager 9, 
 ViewletCam, Windows Movie Maker, VideoLAN/VLC, QuickTime, Windows 
 Media Encoder, and now I've forgotten and have to start the cycle 
 over again.
 
 Why can't anyone say Set the  to , and the ___ to  and 
 give me a step by step from start to finish?  Again, FREE BEER to 
 whoever can explain this.  
 
 Disclaimer, FREE BEER may be exchanged for cold hard cash.





[videoblogging] Re:From Mac *TO* PC -- Should I Switch?

2008-06-11 Thread Heath
Most of the active people on this list use Mac, but I would question 
wheather that everyone on this list has agreed PC's are harder to 
use.I frequent the DVX fourms and a lot and I mean A LOT of 
people there use PC's to edit.

I know I may not be in your league Rox ;)  but I think me and my PC 
have made some pretty nice videos on occasion...(which is due more to 
my own limited skill set than my PC..  ;)


Heath
http://batmangeek.com
http://heathparks.com

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Roxanne Darling [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Macs are not much more expensive. Sorry to challenge that one! Just 
do a
 google search and read some of the posts.  (Again, we use both in 
our
 office.  People on this list have agreed that PC's are harder to 
use.)
 iMovie and iPhoto and iTunes come free - and Rocketboom used those 
tools and
 so did Beach Walks for well over a year before switching to FCP.  
You CAN
 produce a professional, highly edited product using the FREE 
software.
 (iMovie 6 is great editor - iMovie 8 not so much but that is another
 thread).
 
 Mac monitors have a more humane flicker rate so you won;'t go 
insane
 sitting in front of one all day. Already insane? Fine, get a Mac 
Mini for
 only and use your old Dell monitor and keyboard and being able to 
run Mac
 and PC on that sweet little box.
 
 Macs by default have better video cards. Most PC people I know end 
up
 upgrading the default card. Makes sense - most office workers (PC's 
largest
 target market) don't need good video cards, they are supposed to be 
writing
 Word docs and crunching Excel worksheets all day, so why load up a 
PC with
 one?  But (snark alert) last I checked, this is a list for video 
creators.
 Do you tools support you or frustrate you?
 
 Here is a side by side chart:
 http://www.myspace-modifier.com/macintosh/the-mac-is-more-expensive-
thats-crap/#
 
 Of course Macs are not perfect. No machine, no company, no person 
is. I've
 used them for over 20 years and  had great response from them.  But 
then
 when something goes wrong, I call calmly assuming it will be fixed 
not
 ranting that it should never have broken in the first place.  (Hint 
hint -
 how to get good customer service)
 
 This message started off with a comparison from a very old Mac to a 
brand
 new top of the line Mac. Yes, you are going to spend some bucks 
taking that
 route. But that doesn't mean Macs are more expensive. It means you 
have
 champagne taste, and I will be the first to raise a glass to that!  
I always
 buy the best computer I can possibly afford at each new milestone, 
knowing
 it will last me longer.  I still have a 12 G4 laptop and it serves 
as a
 great bookkeeping and surf-while-watching-TV machine.  We just gave 
a 6-year
 old eMac running Tiger to a friend for her 3-year old.  The thing 
only cost
 $899 when it was brand new, it still looks great and performs just 
fine if
 you are not in a big hurry.
 
 I rarely choose to rant on this list. It's kinda fun to get out of 
my box
 though. :-)
 
 Aloha and thanks for listening,
 
 Rox
 
 
 
 
 On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 5:53 AM, Patrick Delongchamp 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
Another thing to definitely consider.
 
  but getting back to the topic at hand, i'd summarize the 
conversation
  as the following:
 
  Mac - It's much more expensive but a better value and you'll be 
very happy
  PC - You'll be reasonably happy and have more money in your 
pocket but
  you'll have a higher learning curve.
 
  On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Jake Ludington [EMAIL PROTECTED]jake%
40jakeludington.com
  wrote:
   I can agree that purchase one..maybe two warranties on 
products can be
   a wise choice. This is especially true if you are in a 
financial
   situation where you shouldn't be purchasing the product in the 
first
   place.
  
   Or if you're in a situation where wasting your time on downtime 
would be
  a
   greater inconvenience than being out the money. For instance, 
with
   AppleCare, the inconvenience on the iPhone might have been $60 
had it not
   paid off. Without it, the inconvenience would have been no 
phone until
  the
   warranty repair turned it around in a couple of weeks (and/or 
buying
  another
   phone). In that case, the potential of losing $60 was lower 
risk than the
   risk of being out a phone for 2 weeks. The added bonus of 
having a new
  phone
   in under 15 minutes made the $60 an easy decision.
  
   It's just important to remember that either decision you make 
is a
   bet and the one that gives you the better odds is the 
decision of
   *not* buying extended warranties. Not the other way around.
  
   That entirely depends on what you're factoring for. Time is way 
more
   important to me than the extra $100 or $200 for bigger ticket 
items. If I
   spend $100 to insure against losing both the item and my time, 
the $100
  is a
   no brainer.
  
   Does that mean you should buy an extended warranty for 
everything?
  Certainly
   not.
  

[videoblogging] Re: Free Beer to the person who can explain the steps of recording

2008-06-11 Thread * Jennifer Hall Goodwin *
You guys rock.  I just mounted my video camera (digital camera with video
capability) to my forehead.
I'm still waiting for qik.com to have a sprint phone.
 
Jennifer Goodwin
 http://www.internetgirlfriday.com/ www.internetGIRLfriday.com


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[videoblogging] Re: Free Beer to the person who can explain the steps of recording

2008-06-11 Thread * Jennifer Hall Goodwin *
UGH...just when I thought I was getting somewhere...
 
Now that I've exhausted the FREE route, is there possibly a paid program
worth looking into that ELIMINATES the conversion and hoop jumping?  Is
there really one 'set it', 'record it', 'upload it' solution out there?
 


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Re: [videoblogging] Re:From Mac *TO* PC -- Should I Switch?

2008-06-11 Thread Roxanne Darling
My dear Heath,
I do not mean to disparage anyone, especially you.  I am merely tired of the
mac is more expensive than PC mis-conception.  It was true in the 80's,
maybe some of the 90's, but not here in the new century, especially when you
map components side by side.

Most people who disparage Macs have never really used them. Most people who
disparage PC's, have used them. I would bet money on that.

I'll repeat my first comment in part - I truly admire being able to look at
things objectively when group mind goes so strongly in one direction. I was
curious to see what I would learn in the thread. And for me I have ended up
where I started - an appreciative Mac user. :-)  Thank you for speaking up!

Love and hugs to you, Rox



On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Most of the active people on this list use Mac, but I would question
 wheather that everyone on this list has agreed PC's are harder to
 use.I frequent the DVX fourms and a lot and I mean A LOT of
 people there use PC's to edit.

 I know I may not be in your league Rox ;) but I think me and my PC
 have made some pretty nice videos on occasion...(which is due more to
 my own limited skill set than my PC.. ;)

 Heath
 http://batmangeek.com
 http://heathparks.com

 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com,
 Roxanne Darling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  Macs are not much more expensive. Sorry to challenge that one! Just
 do a
  google search and read some of the posts. (Again, we use both in
 our
  office. People on this list have agreed that PC's are harder to
 use.)
  iMovie and iPhoto and iTunes come free - and Rocketboom used those
 tools and
  so did Beach Walks for well over a year before switching to FCP.
 You CAN
  produce a professional, highly edited product using the FREE
 software.
  (iMovie 6 is great editor - iMovie 8 not so much but that is another
  thread).
 
  Mac monitors have a more humane flicker rate so you won;'t go
 insane
  sitting in front of one all day. Already insane? Fine, get a Mac
 Mini for
  only and use your old Dell monitor and keyboard and being able to
 run Mac
  and PC on that sweet little box.
 
  Macs by default have better video cards. Most PC people I know end
 up
  upgrading the default card. Makes sense - most office workers (PC's
 largest
  target market) don't need good video cards, they are supposed to be
 writing
  Word docs and crunching Excel worksheets all day, so why load up a
 PC with
  one? But (snark alert) last I checked, this is a list for video
 creators.
  Do you tools support you or frustrate you?
 
  Here is a side by side chart:
  http://www.myspace-modifier.com/macintosh/the-mac-is-more-expensive-
 thats-crap/#
 
  Of course Macs are not perfect. No machine, no company, no person
 is. I've
  used them for over 20 years and had great response from them. But
 then
  when something goes wrong, I call calmly assuming it will be fixed
 not
  ranting that it should never have broken in the first place. (Hint
 hint -
  how to get good customer service)
 
  This message started off with a comparison from a very old Mac to a
 brand
  new top of the line Mac. Yes, you are going to spend some bucks
 taking that
  route. But that doesn't mean Macs are more expensive. It means you
 have
  champagne taste, and I will be the first to raise a glass to that!
 I always
  buy the best computer I can possibly afford at each new milestone,
 knowing
  it will last me longer. I still have a 12 G4 laptop and it serves
 as a
  great bookkeeping and surf-while-watching-TV machine. We just gave
 a 6-year
  old eMac running Tiger to a friend for her 3-year old. The thing
 only cost
  $899 when it was brand new, it still looks great and performs just
 fine if
  you are not in a big hurry.
 
  I rarely choose to rant on this list. It's kinda fun to get out of
 my box
  though. :-)
 
  Aloha and thanks for listening,
 
  Rox
 
 
 
 
  On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 5:53 AM, Patrick Delongchamp
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
 
   Another thing to definitely consider.
  
   but getting back to the topic at hand, i'd summarize the
 conversation
   as the following:
  
   Mac - It's much more expensive but a better value and you'll be
 very happy
   PC - You'll be reasonably happy and have more money in your
 pocket but
   you'll have a higher learning curve.
  
   On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Jake Ludington [EMAIL PROTECTED]jake%

 40jakeludington.com
   wrote:
I can agree that purchase one..maybe two warranties on
 products can be
a wise choice. This is especially true if you are in a
 financial
situation where you shouldn't be purchasing the product in the
 first
place.
   
Or if you're in a situation where wasting your time on downtime
 would be
   a
greater inconvenience than being out the money. For instance,
 with
AppleCare, the inconvenience on the iPhone might have been $60
 had it not
paid off. Without it, the