Re: [videoblogging] Re: external hard drives for editing?
On Apr 19, 2010, at 8:19 AM, Cris Thomas wrote: Couple of comments... If you are going to do actual editing on an external drive you will probably need to go with Firewire800 and or SATA. USB will unlikely be fast enough. Also get a fast drive, 7200RPM or faster. Some people don't like Lacie or OWC or whoever, neither of whom actually make hard drives. If you have a drive failure and it wasn't the power supply or the controller then it wasn't Lacie's or OWC fault. I use dozens of Lacie Quadra drives at my office, I use them exclusively and have not had one fail in almost three years. Of course your mileage may vary. For editing on my MacBook Pro I use this http://www.pcconnection.com/IPA/Shop/Product/Detail.htm?sku=10055890cac=Result It is awesome, triple interface (USB FW400, FW800), 7200RPM, bus powered. It is great because it is portable and fast. I don't need an extra power supply when I am on the move. When I am home I can daisy chain a FW400 drive off the back when needed. There are several different versions of this, just make sure to find the 7200RPM one. - C. Thomas external 2TB Western Digital $139.99, USB 2.0 http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?nm_mc=AFC-TechBargainscm_mmc=AFC-TechBargains-_-NA-_-NA-_-NAItem=N82E16822136471 same drive as above, $129.99 http://www.frys.com/product/6167269?site=sa:Hard%20Drive%20%20Memory%20Pod:Pod4 Hitachi 2TB 7200rpm, internal $125.00 http://www.frys.com/product/6167269?site=sa:Hard%20Drive%20%20Memory%20Pod:Pod4 There are various 2TB drives in the range of $129-$139, incl Western Digital. I've been using Hitachi 2TB (see above) in Hornettek Hover (dual USB/ eSATA interface, JMicron chip controller, $29.99): http://www.frys.com/product/5975674?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG I like this enclosure because of the dual fans (heat contributes to HD failure). I just got a Sonnet E2P card (PCIe, $48) from OWC, for my older G5 Powermac: http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Sonnet%20Technology/TSATAIIE2P/ it works with the above Hornettek Hover (dual USB/eSATA interface) in eSATA (note the Sonnet board will work with JMicron dual USB/eSATA, while it has issues with Oxford chip controller). Here is a nice dual-drive enclosure (eSATA native) w/fan for $60 (comes to ~$30 per drive): http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/MESATATBEK/ I will be using the above with a couple of Hitachi 2TB drives (photo archival storage) Newegg has some nice HD enclosures, like MacAlly: G-S350SU Aluminum 3.5 Silver USB 2.0 eSATA External Enclosure ($31) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817347015 macally G-S350SUA Aluminum 3.5 USB 1394 eSATA External Enclosure ($39.99) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817347017 Note the above do not have fans. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: videoblogging-dig...@yahoogroups.com videoblogging-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: videoblogging-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: external hard drives for editing?
Couple of comments... If you are going to do actual editing on an external drive you will probably need to go with Firewire800 and or SATA. USB will unlikely be fast enough. Also get a fast drive, 7200RPM or faster. Some people don't like Lacie or OWC or whoever, neither of whom actually make hard drives. If you have a drive failure and it wasn't the power supply or the controller then it wasn't Lacie's or OWC fault. I use dozens of Lacie Quadra drives at my office, I use them exclusively and have not had one fail in almost three years. Of course your mileage may vary. For editing on my MacBook Pro I use this http://www.pcconnection.com/IPA/Shop/Product/Detail.htm?sku=10055890cac=Result It is awesome, triple interface (USB FW400, FW800), 7200RPM, bus powered. It is great because it is portable and fast. I don't need an extra power supply when I am on the move. When I am home I can daisy chain a FW400 drive off the back when needed. There are several different versions of this, just make sure to find the 7200RPM one. - C. Thomas
Re: [videoblogging] Re: external hard drives for editing?
My 7 cents: All drives fail. External drives fail more often, usually sooner, and often with little warning. They all suck. All of them. I have used so many brands, from Lacie Quadras to DIY cases with off the shelf drives. I had a Lacie last 7 years. I've had them last 5 months. Every other brand has similar variability. Lacie's weak spot seems to be the power supply (a drive shutting off suddenly is not good for the drive, esp. in an external). Does that mean I won't get another Quadra? No. At this point it's a matter of speed and price. They all have weak points. Some drives seem to fail due to poor/loose fw connections. Overheating can be an issue, though some fanless enclosures do a good job at dissipating heat (others don't). And yes, sometimes its the drive itself. eSATA can be a good thing and much faster, but in my experience its less reliable than firewire (which is saying something) - this may have to do with the particular expresscard adapter I use though. The drives don't seem to be the issue. USB is no go for editing unless you have no choice, even 2.0. FW400 is fine for DV. Go FW 800 or eSATA for HDV, AVCHD, DVCProHD. Beyond that you're best off with a RAID 0 system. I no longer stress about brands for externals because I just accept that they all suck. I worry more about performance and keep a second set as a backup (which you need to do if you go tapeless anyway). The only company that gets regular raves for externals is G-Technology, but their drives are usually significantly more expensive. OWC has gotten good marks from fellow editors recently but I've been wary due to my first under-a-year failures many moons ago occurring with their drives. But I'll probably try them again. Backup backup backup, even your media drives. And follow good firewire and esata hygiene re power on/off mounting/unmounting etc. Brook On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 8:19 AM, Cris Thomas thomas_c...@yahoo.com wrote: Couple of comments... If you are going to do actual editing on an external drive you will probably need to go with Firewire800 and or SATA. USB will unlikely be fast enough. Also get a fast drive, 7200RPM or faster. Some people don't like Lacie or OWC or whoever, neither of whom actually make hard drives. If you have a drive failure and it wasn't the power supply or the controller then it wasn't Lacie's or OWC fault. I use dozens of Lacie Quadra drives at my office, I use them exclusively and have not had one fail in almost three years. Of course your mileage may vary. For editing on my MacBook Pro I use this http://www.pcconnection.com/IPA/Shop/Product/Detail.htm?sku=10055890cac=Result It is awesome, triple interface (USB FW400, FW800), 7200RPM, bus powered. It is great because it is portable and fast. I don't need an extra power supply when I am on the move. When I am home I can daisy chain a FW400 drive off the back when needed. There are several different versions of this, just make sure to find the 7200RPM one. - C. Thomas -- ___ Brook Hinton film/video/audio art www.brookhinton.com studio vlog/blog: www.brookhinton.com/temporalab [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: videoblogging-dig...@yahoogroups.com videoblogging-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: videoblogging-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: external hard drives for editing?
If you want portability of editing on a laptop I'd suggest avoiding external hard drives altogether. Nowadays laptop hard drives are pretty big allowing videographers to work on the road. Of course depends on the scope of your projects, if they are not that huge, go with the laptop drive edit. Possibility of losing data because you accidentally moved the laptop pulling the USB cable of the external hard drive is much greater compared if it was hooked to a static workstation. A bit off topic; Has anyone used this mobile monster? http://www.toshibadirect.com/td/b2c/pdet.to?poid=460942 cheers -Renat Innomind.org --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Lee King davidleek...@... wrote: I'd like to move to doing more editing of videos and music off of an external hard drive... I've used LaCie drives for that before, and that seemed to work ok. But wanted to find out you amazing video peeps suggest - what would you buy/what do you use? Thanks! David Lee King davidleeking.com - blog davidleeking.com/etc - videoblog twitter | skype: davidleeking [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: external hard drives for editing?
Wow, I've been pricing out my next machine and I hadn't seen that Toshiba before. The 64gb solid state alone makes me want it. That's always a battle for me, because I feel like I *should* get a Mac because of all the motion and editing I do, but then I start pricing them out and realize I can have nearly double the processing power in a PC for the same price. And really half the reason I'd be buying a Mac would be to use their proprietary codecs and shit, which I hate to give in to. Feels like I'm paying them to make my life harder. As an editor, I literally stand up and leave the room if I pull a file from a client's drive and it's in ProRES or some other Mac shit. I have to leave the room, pace a bit, then come back and figure out when I can use my fiancee's mac to transcode it to a universal codec. The clients don't do it on purpose of course. They're just exporting the most intuitive way they can. But Mac does do it on purpose. My god I just hijacked this thread and tore down on Macs. Sorry, cocktail night. To sort of answer David's original question, I like external drives for archiving, but only use internal SATA drives for project media. I have a couple 500gb Caviars that do really well. Haven't had a problem for about 3 years. They're pretty cheap now too, well under $100 I think. AQ On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 9:57 PM, pageflex2001 innom...@gmail.com wrote: If you want portability of editing on a laptop I'd suggest avoiding external hard drives altogether. Nowadays laptop hard drives are pretty big allowing videographers to work on the road. Of course depends on the scope of your projects, if they are not that huge, go with the laptop drive edit. Possibility of losing data because you accidentally moved the laptop pulling the USB cable of the external hard drive is much greater compared if it was hooked to a static workstation. A bit off topic; Has anyone used this mobile monster? http://www.toshibadirect.com/td/b2c/pdet.to?poid=460942 cheers -Renat Innomind.org --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Lee King davidleek...@... wrote: I'd like to move to doing more editing of videos and music off of an external hard drive... I've used LaCie drives for that before, and that seemed to work ok. But wanted to find out you amazing video peeps suggest - what would you buy/what do you use? Thanks! David Lee King davidleeking.com - blog davidleeking.com/etc - videoblog twitter | skype: davidleeking [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
