[videoblogging] Re: pocketPC video editor?
I think thats to do with future devices using Intel chips that arent released yet, and its unclear whether this platform will make it to mobile phones or whether it will be reserved for UMPC's and upcoming MIDs. Windows Mobile is probably not the target OS, bur rather full-blown windows or alternative linux-like MID OS that Intel wants to encourage. http://blog.digitalbackcountry.com/?p=1047 Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, taulpaulmpls [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I caught a news snippet the other day from Intel announcing support for a mobile version of Adobe AIR. Adobe will probably be making a mobile version of AIR available within the year. That being said, one could use one of several available AIR apps to edit local video files on a WM6 phone. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Meade meade.dave@ wrote: Yeah. Although, Windows Mobile devices seem to be pretty popular in the states anyway. I just upgraded my phone to a new Windows Mobile 6 (wm6) device, and the OS is quite nice (a significant improvement over wm5 which wasn't too bad itself). Windows has an advantage in the cell phone market similar to the advantage they have in the PC market their OS can be licensed and installed on hardware that others make. So you'll have HTC devices running windows mobile (which are really nice little devices), you'll have palm devices running windows ...etc etc etc There's also no shortage of developers out there making windows mobile apps. My windows phone can store music and video, and stream tv shows, and get my email, and twitter, and websites, and google maps w/ GPS, and Instant Messengers and on and on and on and on ... and its pretty nice interface even if not multi-touch ... so Windows isn't out of the game at all. ( That being said ... if the iPhone did video and was 3g I'd have gone with the iPhone no questions asked. :-) ) With a mobile version of .NET and DirectX available ... I'm sure the windows mobile platform COULD do simple trim/combine edits on video ... I just think that nobody has written the app to actually do it yet. :(( If anyone comes across such an app for windows mobile please let me know :-) - Dave On 10/25/07, Steve Watkins steve@ wrote: Im reasonably sure video editing on the pocketpc will get better, but Im not sure if windows mobile is likely to be the dominant pocket os in the future, the pocketpc is getting battered from all sides these days. I think it might be more likely that editing capabilities will be built into more camcorders etc in future. And if there is a future iphone that records video, or some other mobile mac device that makes use of multitouch screen, we could be in for a treat. On the camcorder front I suppose its feasible that the cameras of the future will be wifi enabled. In the meantime, I think nokia mobile video editing stuff possibly has the largest potential audience right now, in terms of number of people who buy nokia phones, but this may not be so true in the USA, and the lack of touchscreen or large enough screen is a hindrance. I dunno, I guess its one of those things that would be incredibly useful if done right, but only a very small %age of people who buy suitable devices will actually use this feature. I havent ended up using the basic video editing on the nokia N95 much yet, its just a tad too painful, but I guess I would use it if I were travelling the world or taking speedvlogging to an extreme. If the economy doesnt slow development pace, I think we are about to see mobile devices of all kinds reach a new level of useability, so the next few years should see some of these hopes come true. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Cook patsvideoblog@ wrote: Hi everyone: On 10/23/07, Renat Zarbailov innomind@ wrote: I actually thought about this idea while traveling the world. I doubt that the processors of Windows Mobile devices are fast enough to allow editing of raw video, even if it's mobile phone shot compressed video. I, however, hope that one day there will be a Windows Mobile flash- based software that allows miniature video editing on the go. So, imagine the hard drive based camcorders would in-camera convert the video files to this mobile edit-friendly format, be it in 320X240 DIVX or other non-processor-intensive format. Allowing transfer of these file from camcorder via Bluetooth or memorystick to a Windows Mobile device. So while on the road, say, when still in transit to where the full-fledged editing workstation is, one can edit the clips on a Windows Mobile device, and later, after importing the raw equvivalent of those video clips, this mobile software
Re: [videoblogging] Re: pocketPC video editor?
On 10/29/07, taulpaulmpls [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know if anyone answered your question, but I did find this company making software in asia. http://www.masternewmedia.org/news/2005/02/12/video_editing_on_mobile_phones.htm *gasp* !! I'm downloading to test it out now! THANKS Will report back here once I see it in action.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: pocketPC video editor?
False alarm ... the application doesn't actually allow for video editing. :-(( Unfortunately all it does is create a video slide show from still images you select from your phone. :(( Close but no cigar. Thanks though. On 10/30/07, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/29/07, taulpaulmpls [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know if anyone answered your question, but I did find this company making software in asia. http://www.masternewmedia.org/news/2005/02/12/video_editing_on_mobile_phones.htm *gasp* !! I'm downloading to test it out now! THANKS Will report back here once I see it in action. -- http://www.DavidMeade.com
[videoblogging] Re: pocketPC video editor?
if they port it to linux (non intel, but arm) then i'll be happy --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/29/07, taulpaulmpls [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know if anyone answered your question, but I did find this company making software in asia. http://www.masternewmedia.org/news/2005/02/12/video_editing_on_mobile_phones.htm *gasp* !! I'm downloading to test it out now! THANKS Will report back here once I see it in action.
[videoblogging] Re: pocketPC video editor?
David, I don't know if anyone answered your question, but I did find this company making software in asia. http://www.masternewmedia.org/news/2005/02/12/video_editing_on_mobile_phones.htm --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hmmm thats odd ... 3gp is a type of mp4 as I understand it .. but still ... that odd. :-P I don't think I can change the extension, but I can choose to save as avi instead of mp4 ... I'll do some testing ... given your discovery, I bet they probably are using the same codec inside the avi container and thus I probably wouldnt be sacrificing anything by using avi. I'll test that to be sure. Thanks Rupert! (now go friend me in facebook arelady, how long I gotta wait!? :P ) - Dave On 10/22/07, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I downloaded one of your mp4s and changed the extension to 3gp and it plays fine. What that means, I don't know. Seeing as it worked for a while and then stopped, my first guess is that it's something Apple screwed up in the last Quicktime update - allowing QT to recognise a 3gp file with an mp4 extension. I do know that my Nokia records lower quality 160x120 video as 3gp and higher quality 320x240 640x480 as mp4. So maybe your phone is set to record at lower quality but is still outputting an mp4 extension. Can you rename the file extensions in your phone, or would you have to copy to PC first before emailing/uploading to Blip? What a drag. Rupert On 22 Oct 2007, at 21:56, David Meade wrote: well I have an unlimited data plan with cingular (now att) , and can record as much video as my SD card will allow. So far my mobile vlogs have all been via email. I record the video and then email it to my blip address ... it then automatically gets cross posted to my site. I've done one such video in avi format and several in mp4 ... unfortunately something has happened recently and QuickTime player is no longer playing MP4 videos recorded from my phone (Cingular 8125). If you go to http://www.davidmeade.com/tags/movlog/ you can see my mp4s which previously played inline just fine ... but now even though blip confirms the files are there ... quicktime player isn't playing them anymore. I dont really know whats going on with it, but I think the blip people are looking into it in case there's anything they can do in order to continue to play nice with HTC phones. Anyway, I would love to find a simple edit ability for windows mobile devices. (I also hope that the intro/outro feature at blip becomes a reality one day ... but thats another story :-) ) Thanks for the links I'll look them over! - Dave On 10/22/07, Jan McLaughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hadn't thought about that David, but it might be nice...especially to cut out the last 2-3 frames when filming 'small' video in 3gp (my pocket pc films in either 3gp or mp4, 'large'). Here are my collected 8525 links though - FYI - http://del.icio.us/love_detective/8525 Will let you know if I find anything in my web travels. Curious: Do you have a maximum MMS upload size attached to your account? If not, who are you using and what kind of plan do you have? Warmly, Jan On 10/22/07, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all - Does anyone know of a Windows Mobile application that allows for trimming and combining of video clips? I just cannot find such an app but find it hard to believe that not even one crappy option exists. My windows mobile phone takes video (avi or mp4) and I want to be able to trim the clips and then re-order/combine them together into one longer clip before I upload to blip (or wherever). Thanks, - Dave -- http://www.DavidMeade.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- The Faux Press - better than real http://feeds.feedburner.com/WburgtvFallFilmFest - Fall Film Fest http://fauxpress.blogspot.com http://wburg.tv aim=janofsound air=862.571.5334 skype=janmclaughlin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- http://www.DavidMeade.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- http://www.DavidMeade.com
[videoblogging] Re: pocketPC video editor?
I caught a news snippet the other day from Intel announcing support for a mobile version of Adobe AIR. Adobe will probably be making a mobile version of AIR available within the year. That being said, one could use one of several available AIR apps to edit local video files on a WM6 phone. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah. Although, Windows Mobile devices seem to be pretty popular in the states anyway. I just upgraded my phone to a new Windows Mobile 6 (wm6) device, and the OS is quite nice (a significant improvement over wm5 which wasn't too bad itself). Windows has an advantage in the cell phone market similar to the advantage they have in the PC market their OS can be licensed and installed on hardware that others make. So you'll have HTC devices running windows mobile (which are really nice little devices), you'll have palm devices running windows ...etc etc etc There's also no shortage of developers out there making windows mobile apps. My windows phone can store music and video, and stream tv shows, and get my email, and twitter, and websites, and google maps w/ GPS, and Instant Messengers and on and on and on and on ... and its pretty nice interface even if not multi-touch ... so Windows isn't out of the game at all. ( That being said ... if the iPhone did video and was 3g I'd have gone with the iPhone no questions asked. :-) ) With a mobile version of .NET and DirectX available ... I'm sure the windows mobile platform COULD do simple trim/combine edits on video ... I just think that nobody has written the app to actually do it yet. :(( If anyone comes across such an app for windows mobile please let me know :-) - Dave On 10/25/07, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Im reasonably sure video editing on the pocketpc will get better, but Im not sure if windows mobile is likely to be the dominant pocket os in the future, the pocketpc is getting battered from all sides these days. I think it might be more likely that editing capabilities will be built into more camcorders etc in future. And if there is a future iphone that records video, or some other mobile mac device that makes use of multitouch screen, we could be in for a treat. On the camcorder front I suppose its feasible that the cameras of the future will be wifi enabled. In the meantime, I think nokia mobile video editing stuff possibly has the largest potential audience right now, in terms of number of people who buy nokia phones, but this may not be so true in the USA, and the lack of touchscreen or large enough screen is a hindrance. I dunno, I guess its one of those things that would be incredibly useful if done right, but only a very small %age of people who buy suitable devices will actually use this feature. I havent ended up using the basic video editing on the nokia N95 much yet, its just a tad too painful, but I guess I would use it if I were travelling the world or taking speedvlogging to an extreme. If the economy doesnt slow development pace, I think we are about to see mobile devices of all kinds reach a new level of useability, so the next few years should see some of these hopes come true. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Cook patsvideoblog@ wrote: Hi everyone: On 10/23/07, Renat Zarbailov innomind@ wrote: I actually thought about this idea while traveling the world. I doubt that the processors of Windows Mobile devices are fast enough to allow editing of raw video, even if it's mobile phone shot compressed video. I, however, hope that one day there will be a Windows Mobile flash- based software that allows miniature video editing on the go. So, imagine the hard drive based camcorders would in-camera convert the video files to this mobile edit-friendly format, be it in 320X240 DIVX or other non-processor-intensive format. Allowing transfer of these file from camcorder via Bluetooth or memorystick to a Windows Mobile device. So while on the road, say, when still in transit to where the full-fledged editing workstation is, one can edit the clips on a Windows Mobile device, and later, after importing the raw equvivalent of those video clips, this mobile software will transfer all the math behind the edit so that all the raw video clips are presented just like in the mobile editor. This will be a big time saver for videographers who shoot they dailies outside the editing studios. After having done some searching on CNET, it looks as though that YOUR ONLY option for DOING ANYTHING with video on a Pocket PC would be via a site like YouTube, Google Video, etc. So to sum up all the above; 1. Footage shot and each raw video clip on the hard drive of the camcorder has a mobile editable version
[videoblogging] Re: pocketPC video editor?
Im reasonably sure video editing on the pocketpc will get better, but Im not sure if windows mobile is likely to be the dominant pocket os in the future, the pocketpc is getting battered from all sides these days. I think it might be more likely that editing capabilities will be built into more camcorders etc in future. And if there is a future iphone that records video, or some other mobile mac device that makes use of multitouch screen, we could be in for a treat. On the camcorder front I suppose its feasible that the cameras of the future will be wifi enabled. In the meantime, I think nokia mobile video editing stuff possibly has the largest potential audience right now, in terms of number of people who buy nokia phones, but this may not be so true in the USA, and the lack of touchscreen or large enough screen is a hindrance. I dunno, I guess its one of those things that would be incredibly useful if done right, but only a very small %age of people who buy suitable devices will actually use this feature. I havent ended up using the basic video editing on the nokia N95 much yet, its just a tad too painful, but I guess I would use it if I were travelling the world or taking speedvlogging to an extreme. If the economy doesnt slow development pace, I think we are about to see mobile devices of all kinds reach a new level of useability, so the next few years should see some of these hopes come true. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Cook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone: On 10/23/07, Renat Zarbailov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I actually thought about this idea while traveling the world. I doubt that the processors of Windows Mobile devices are fast enough to allow editing of raw video, even if it's mobile phone shot compressed video. I, however, hope that one day there will be a Windows Mobile flash- based software that allows miniature video editing on the go. So, imagine the hard drive based camcorders would in-camera convert the video files to this mobile edit-friendly format, be it in 320X240 DIVX or other non-processor-intensive format. Allowing transfer of these file from camcorder via Bluetooth or memorystick to a Windows Mobile device. So while on the road, say, when still in transit to where the full-fledged editing workstation is, one can edit the clips on a Windows Mobile device, and later, after importing the raw equvivalent of those video clips, this mobile software will transfer all the math behind the edit so that all the raw video clips are presented just like in the mobile editor. This will be a big time saver for videographers who shoot they dailies outside the editing studios. After having done some searching on CNET, it looks as though that YOUR ONLY option for DOING ANYTHING with video on a Pocket PC would be via a site like YouTube, Google Video, etc. So to sum up all the above; 1. Footage shot and each raw video clip on the hard drive of the camcorder has a mobile editable version 2. Either via bluetooth or memorystick, these files are transfered into a Windows Mobile device 3. Footage is edited, cuts, transitions, effects, etc. 4. When in the studio the miniature edit is sycronized with FCP or Premiere by importing the raw video clips and placing the edit in the timeline just like in the timeline of the Windows Mobile video editor. What do you guys think? Should we start harrassing camcorder manufacturers as well as finding the right talent to create this mobile software? :)) Not just for pocket Windows PCs, but for Macs as well. Of course it's idealistic, but, wouldn't it be great?? It appears so - In an ideal world that is. Cheers -- Pat Cook Denver, Colorado PODCASTS - **NEW VLOG** AS MY WORLD TURNS - http://asmyworldturnstv.blogspot.com/ PAT'S REAL DEAL VIDEO BLOG - http://patsrealdeal.livejournal.com/ PAT'S HEALTH MEDICAL WONDERS VIDEOCAST - http://patshealthmedicalwondersvideocast.blogspot.com/ YOUTUBE CHANNEL - http://www.youtube.com/amwowttv/ THE PAT COOK SHOW - http://www.livevideo.com/thepcshow THE PAT COOK SHOW (Video Podcst) - http://thepctvshow.blogspot.com/ THE PAT COOK SHOW (Audio Podcast) - http://thepcradioshow.blogspot.com/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: pocketPC video editor?
Yeah. Although, Windows Mobile devices seem to be pretty popular in the states anyway. I just upgraded my phone to a new Windows Mobile 6 (wm6) device, and the OS is quite nice (a significant improvement over wm5 which wasn't too bad itself). Windows has an advantage in the cell phone market similar to the advantage they have in the PC market their OS can be licensed and installed on hardware that others make. So you'll have HTC devices running windows mobile (which are really nice little devices), you'll have palm devices running windows ...etc etc etc There's also no shortage of developers out there making windows mobile apps. My windows phone can store music and video, and stream tv shows, and get my email, and twitter, and websites, and google maps w/ GPS, and Instant Messengers and on and on and on and on ... and its pretty nice interface even if not multi-touch ... so Windows isn't out of the game at all. ( That being said ... if the iPhone did video and was 3g I'd have gone with the iPhone no questions asked. :-) ) With a mobile version of .NET and DirectX available ... I'm sure the windows mobile platform COULD do simple trim/combine edits on video ... I just think that nobody has written the app to actually do it yet. :(( If anyone comes across such an app for windows mobile please let me know :-) - Dave On 10/25/07, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Im reasonably sure video editing on the pocketpc will get better, but Im not sure if windows mobile is likely to be the dominant pocket os in the future, the pocketpc is getting battered from all sides these days. I think it might be more likely that editing capabilities will be built into more camcorders etc in future. And if there is a future iphone that records video, or some other mobile mac device that makes use of multitouch screen, we could be in for a treat. On the camcorder front I suppose its feasible that the cameras of the future will be wifi enabled. In the meantime, I think nokia mobile video editing stuff possibly has the largest potential audience right now, in terms of number of people who buy nokia phones, but this may not be so true in the USA, and the lack of touchscreen or large enough screen is a hindrance. I dunno, I guess its one of those things that would be incredibly useful if done right, but only a very small %age of people who buy suitable devices will actually use this feature. I havent ended up using the basic video editing on the nokia N95 much yet, its just a tad too painful, but I guess I would use it if I were travelling the world or taking speedvlogging to an extreme. If the economy doesnt slow development pace, I think we are about to see mobile devices of all kinds reach a new level of useability, so the next few years should see some of these hopes come true. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Cook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone: On 10/23/07, Renat Zarbailov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I actually thought about this idea while traveling the world. I doubt that the processors of Windows Mobile devices are fast enough to allow editing of raw video, even if it's mobile phone shot compressed video. I, however, hope that one day there will be a Windows Mobile flash- based software that allows miniature video editing on the go. So, imagine the hard drive based camcorders would in-camera convert the video files to this mobile edit-friendly format, be it in 320X240 DIVX or other non-processor-intensive format. Allowing transfer of these file from camcorder via Bluetooth or memorystick to a Windows Mobile device. So while on the road, say, when still in transit to where the full-fledged editing workstation is, one can edit the clips on a Windows Mobile device, and later, after importing the raw equvivalent of those video clips, this mobile software will transfer all the math behind the edit so that all the raw video clips are presented just like in the mobile editor. This will be a big time saver for videographers who shoot they dailies outside the editing studios. After having done some searching on CNET, it looks as though that YOUR ONLY option for DOING ANYTHING with video on a Pocket PC would be via a site like YouTube, Google Video, etc. So to sum up all the above; 1. Footage shot and each raw video clip on the hard drive of the camcorder has a mobile editable version 2. Either via bluetooth or memorystick, these files are transfered into a Windows Mobile device 3. Footage is edited, cuts, transitions, effects, etc. 4. When in the studio the miniature edit is sycronized with FCP or Premiere by importing the raw video clips and placing the edit in the timeline just like in the timeline of the Windows Mobile video editor. What do you guys think? Should we start harrassing camcorder
Re: [videoblogging] Re: pocketPC video editor?
My old 8862 Nokia phone came out of the box with a simple editing software that could mute audio track, add music, transitions, cuts, and sew footage together. Nokia GETS cell phone media making. As soon as I'm able to afford to switch phones (and carriers since ATT doesn't offer any of the marvelous N-series Nokia phones), I'm outta the Pocket PC and ATT. Buh-bye. The only thing I really like about the 8525 Pocket PC is that its camera has the capacity to focus. The darned thing can get pretty darned close and stay in focus using the focus control. Problem is, the focus control is so near the lens that the finger obscures the lens when adjusting. Doesn't matter that much since you're usually gonna want the setting near or far. Still...the focus adjustment lever should live near the capture button. Jan On 10/23/07, tom_a_sparks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been want something like this on my gp2x (http://wiki.gp2x.org/wiki/GP2X) (screw winblows) currently there seams like none for hand-held device (lets get programming) --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Renat Zarbailov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I actually thought about this idea while traveling the world. I doubt that the processors of Windows Mobile devices are fast enough to allow editing of raw video, even if it's mobile phone shot compressed video. I, however, hope that one day there will be a Windows Mobile flash- based software that allows miniature video editing on the go. So, imagine the hard drive based camcorders would in-camera convert the video files to this mobile edit-friendly format, be it in 320X240 DIVX or other non-processor-intensive format. Allowing transfer of these file from camcorder via Bluetooth or memorystick to a Windows Mobile device. So while on the road, say, when still in transit to where the full-fledged editing workstation is, one can edit the clips on a Windows Mobile device, and later, after importing the raw equvivalent of those video clips, this mobile software will transfer all the math behind the edit so that all the raw video clips are presented just like in the mobile editor. This will be a big time saver for videographers who shoot they dailies outside the editing studios. So to sum up all the above; 1. Footage shot and each raw video clip on the hard drive of the camcorder has a mobile editable version 2. Either via bluetooth or memorystick, these files are transfered into a Windows Mobile device 3. Footage is edited, cuts, transitions, effects, etc. 4. When in the studio the miniature edit is sycronized with FCP or Premiere by importing the raw video clips and placing the edit in the timeline just like in the timeline of the Windows Mobile video editor. What do you guys think? Should we start harrassing camcorder manufacturers as well as finding the right talent to create this mobile software? :)) Of course it's idealistic, but, wouldn't it be great?? Cheers --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Meade meade.dave@ wrote: Hi all - Does anyone know of a Windows Mobile application that allows for trimming and combining of video clips? I just cannot find such an app but find it hard to believe that not even one crappy option exists. My windows mobile phone takes video (avi or mp4) and I want to be able to trim the clips and then re-order/combine them together into one longer clip before I upload to blip (or wherever). Thanks, - Dave -- http://www.DavidMeade.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- The Faux Press - better than real http://feeds.feedburner.com/WburgtvFallFilmFest - Fall Film Fest http://fauxpress.blogspot.com http://wburg.tv aim=janofsound air=862.571.5334 skype=janmclaughlin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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There IS editing software for Windows mobile devices at http:// luci.eu - but it costs around $200/150 Euros, I think. Nokia N series phones have a Windows Movie Maker-like editor in them. Great idea for the device that allows you to produce an EDL (edit decision list) to sync with FCP, but I suspect that most people who can be bothered to edit 'twice' via EDLs will just carry a laptop with them to edit. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv/ http://feeds.feedburner.com/twittervlog/ On 24 Oct 2007, at 03:28, tom_a_sparks wrote: I've been want something like this on my gp2x (http://wiki.gp2x.org/wiki/GP2X) (screw winblows) currently there seams like none for hand-held device (lets get programming) --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Renat Zarbailov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I actually thought about this idea while traveling the world. I doubt that the processors of Windows Mobile devices are fast enough to allow editing of raw video, even if it's mobile phone shot compressed video. I, however, hope that one day there will be a Windows Mobile flash- based software that allows miniature video editing on the go. So, imagine the hard drive based camcorders would in-camera convert the video files to this mobile edit-friendly format, be it in 320X240 DIVX or other non-processor-intensive format. Allowing transfer of these file from camcorder via Bluetooth or memorystick to a Windows Mobile device. So while on the road, say, when still in transit to where the full-fledged editing workstation is, one can edit the clips on a Windows Mobile device, and later, after importing the raw equvivalent of those video clips, this mobile software will transfer all the math behind the edit so that all the raw video clips are presented just like in the mobile editor. This will be a big time saver for videographers who shoot they dailies outside the editing studios. So to sum up all the above; 1. Footage shot and each raw video clip on the hard drive of the camcorder has a mobile editable version 2. Either via bluetooth or memorystick, these files are transfered into a Windows Mobile device 3. Footage is edited, cuts, transitions, effects, etc. 4. When in the studio the miniature edit is sycronized with FCP or Premiere by importing the raw video clips and placing the edit in the timeline just like in the timeline of the Windows Mobile video editor. What do you guys think? Should we start harrassing camcorder manufacturers as well as finding the right talent to create this mobile software? :)) Of course it's idealistic, but, wouldn't it be great?? Cheers --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Meade meade.dave@ wrote: Hi all - Does anyone know of a Windows Mobile application that allows for trimming and combining of video clips? I just cannot find such an app but find it hard to believe that not even one crappy option exists. My windows mobile phone takes video (avi or mp4) and I want to be able to trim the clips and then re-order/combine them together into one longer clip before I upload to blip (or wherever). Thanks, - Dave -- http://www.DavidMeade.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Update: ok my AVIs and MP4s from my phone are not the same thing thing at all. It turns out that the AVIs are using Motion-JPEG codec and their filesizes are MUCH larger (for same frame size/duration recordings) than the MP4 option. I cannot change the extension of the mp4s on the phone with built in tools because Windows Mobile doesn't show you file extensions ... However I found a great free program called Total Commander which will allow me to do so. So, I guess I can take MP4 video, then change the file extension to 3gp using Total commander ... then upload to blip. (Total Commander: http://www.ghisler.com/ce.htm ) @Rupert - am I missing something? That software sounds like its an audio only thing. Does it do video as well? @Jan - You can use the Nokia phones on ATT if you get an unlocked version, however I'm told you can only connect to the EDGE network and not the 3G network. I've been tempted to upgrade to the 8525 (I have the 8125 now) ... but I just cant decide. (Damn I wish the iphone took video! :p ) - Dave On 10/24/07, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There IS editing software for Windows mobile devices at http:// luci.eu - but it costs around $200/150 Euros, I think. Nokia N series phones have a Windows Movie Maker-like editor in them. Great idea for the device that allows you to produce an EDL (edit decision list) to sync with FCP, but I suspect that most people who can be bothered to edit 'twice' via EDLs will just carry a laptop with them to edit. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv/ http://feeds.feedburner.com/twittervlog/ On 24 Oct 2007, at 03:28, tom_a_sparks wrote: I've been want something like this on my gp2x (http://wiki.gp2x.org/wiki/GP2X) (screw winblows) currently there seams like none for hand-held device (lets get programming) --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Renat Zarbailov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I actually thought about this idea while traveling the world. I doubt that the processors of Windows Mobile devices are fast enough to allow editing of raw video, even if it's mobile phone shot compressed video. I, however, hope that one day there will be a Windows Mobile flash- based software that allows miniature video editing on the go. So, imagine the hard drive based camcorders would in-camera convert the video files to this mobile edit-friendly format, be it in 320X240 DIVX or other non-processor-intensive format. Allowing transfer of these file from camcorder via Bluetooth or memorystick to a Windows Mobile device. So while on the road, say, when still in transit to where the full-fledged editing workstation is, one can edit the clips on a Windows Mobile device, and later, after importing the raw equvivalent of those video clips, this mobile software will transfer all the math behind the edit so that all the raw video clips are presented just like in the mobile editor. This will be a big time saver for videographers who shoot they dailies outside the editing studios. So to sum up all the above; 1. Footage shot and each raw video clip on the hard drive of the camcorder has a mobile editable version 2. Either via bluetooth or memorystick, these files are transfered into a Windows Mobile device 3. Footage is edited, cuts, transitions, effects, etc. 4. When in the studio the miniature edit is sycronized with FCP or Premiere by importing the raw video clips and placing the edit in the timeline just like in the timeline of the Windows Mobile video editor. What do you guys think? Should we start harrassing camcorder manufacturers as well as finding the right talent to create this mobile software? :)) Of course it's idealistic, but, wouldn't it be great?? Cheers --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Meade meade.dave@ wrote: Hi all - Does anyone know of a Windows Mobile application that allows for trimming and combining of video clips? I just cannot find such an app but find it hard to believe that not even one crappy option exists. My windows mobile phone takes video (avi or mp4) and I want to be able to trim the clips and then re-order/combine them together into one longer clip before I upload to blip (or wherever). Thanks, - Dave -- http://www.DavidMeade.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- http://www.DavidMeade.com
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Mr. Meade - call me - let's talk phones for real. On the phone. :) Jan On 10/24/07, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Update: ok my AVIs and MP4s from my phone are not the same thing thing at all. It turns out that the AVIs are using Motion-JPEG codec and their filesizes are MUCH larger (for same frame size/duration recordings) than the MP4 option. I cannot change the extension of the mp4s on the phone with built in tools because Windows Mobile doesn't show you file extensions ... However I found a great free program called Total Commander which will allow me to do so. So, I guess I can take MP4 video, then change the file extension to 3gp using Total commander ... then upload to blip. (Total Commander: http://www.ghisler.com/ce.htm ) @Rupert - am I missing something? That software sounds like its an audio only thing. Does it do video as well? @Jan - You can use the Nokia phones on ATT if you get an unlocked version, however I'm told you can only connect to the EDGE network and not the 3G network. I've been tempted to upgrade to the 8525 (I have the 8125 now) ... but I just cant decide. (Damn I wish the iphone took video! :p ) - Dave On 10/24/07, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There IS editing software for Windows mobile devices at http:// luci.eu - but it costs around $200/150 Euros, I think. Nokia N series phones have a Windows Movie Maker-like editor in them. Great idea for the device that allows you to produce an EDL (edit decision list) to sync with FCP, but I suspect that most people who can be bothered to edit 'twice' via EDLs will just carry a laptop with them to edit. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv/ http://feeds.feedburner.com/twittervlog/ On 24 Oct 2007, at 03:28, tom_a_sparks wrote: I've been want something like this on my gp2x (http://wiki.gp2x.org/wiki/GP2X) (screw winblows) currently there seams like none for hand-held device (lets get programming) --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Renat Zarbailov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I actually thought about this idea while traveling the world. I doubt that the processors of Windows Mobile devices are fast enough to allow editing of raw video, even if it's mobile phone shot compressed video. I, however, hope that one day there will be a Windows Mobile flash- based software that allows miniature video editing on the go. So, imagine the hard drive based camcorders would in-camera convert the video files to this mobile edit-friendly format, be it in 320X240 DIVX or other non-processor-intensive format. Allowing transfer of these file from camcorder via Bluetooth or memorystick to a Windows Mobile device. So while on the road, say, when still in transit to where the full-fledged editing workstation is, one can edit the clips on a Windows Mobile device, and later, after importing the raw equvivalent of those video clips, this mobile software will transfer all the math behind the edit so that all the raw video clips are presented just like in the mobile editor. This will be a big time saver for videographers who shoot they dailies outside the editing studios. So to sum up all the above; 1. Footage shot and each raw video clip on the hard drive of the camcorder has a mobile editable version 2. Either via bluetooth or memorystick, these files are transfered into a Windows Mobile device 3. Footage is edited, cuts, transitions, effects, etc. 4. When in the studio the miniature edit is sycronized with FCP or Premiere by importing the raw video clips and placing the edit in the timeline just like in the timeline of the Windows Mobile video editor. What do you guys think? Should we start harrassing camcorder manufacturers as well as finding the right talent to create this mobile software? :)) Of course it's idealistic, but, wouldn't it be great?? Cheers --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Meade meade.dave@ wrote: Hi all - Does anyone know of a Windows Mobile application that allows for trimming and combining of video clips? I just cannot find such an app but find it hard to believe that not even one crappy option exists. My windows mobile phone takes video (avi or mp4) and I want to be able to trim the clips and then re-order/combine them together into one longer clip before I upload to blip (or wherever). Thanks, - Dave -- http://www.DavidMeade.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- http://www.DavidMeade.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- The Faux Press - better than real http://feeds.feedburner.com/WburgtvFallFilmFest - Fall Film Fest http://fauxpress.blogspot.com http://wburg.tv aim=janofsound air=862.571.5334
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Hi everyone: On 10/23/07, Renat Zarbailov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I actually thought about this idea while traveling the world. I doubt that the processors of Windows Mobile devices are fast enough to allow editing of raw video, even if it's mobile phone shot compressed video. I, however, hope that one day there will be a Windows Mobile flash- based software that allows miniature video editing on the go. So, imagine the hard drive based camcorders would in-camera convert the video files to this mobile edit-friendly format, be it in 320X240 DIVX or other non-processor-intensive format. Allowing transfer of these file from camcorder via Bluetooth or memorystick to a Windows Mobile device. So while on the road, say, when still in transit to where the full-fledged editing workstation is, one can edit the clips on a Windows Mobile device, and later, after importing the raw equvivalent of those video clips, this mobile software will transfer all the math behind the edit so that all the raw video clips are presented just like in the mobile editor. This will be a big time saver for videographers who shoot they dailies outside the editing studios. After having done some searching on CNET, it looks as though that YOUR ONLY option for DOING ANYTHING with video on a Pocket PC would be via a site like YouTube, Google Video, etc. So to sum up all the above; 1. Footage shot and each raw video clip on the hard drive of the camcorder has a mobile editable version 2. Either via bluetooth or memorystick, these files are transfered into a Windows Mobile device 3. Footage is edited, cuts, transitions, effects, etc. 4. When in the studio the miniature edit is sycronized with FCP or Premiere by importing the raw video clips and placing the edit in the timeline just like in the timeline of the Windows Mobile video editor. What do you guys think? Should we start harrassing camcorder manufacturers as well as finding the right talent to create this mobile software? :)) Not just for pocket Windows PCs, but for Macs as well. Of course it's idealistic, but, wouldn't it be great?? It appears so - In an ideal world that is. Cheers -- Pat Cook Denver, Colorado PODCASTS - **NEW VLOG** AS MY WORLD TURNS - http://asmyworldturnstv.blogspot.com/ PAT'S REAL DEAL VIDEO BLOG - http://patsrealdeal.livejournal.com/ PAT'S HEALTH MEDICAL WONDERS VIDEOCAST - http://patshealthmedicalwondersvideocast.blogspot.com/ YOUTUBE CHANNEL - http://www.youtube.com/amwowttv/ THE PAT COOK SHOW - http://www.livevideo.com/thepcshow THE PAT COOK SHOW (Video Podcst) - http://thepctvshow.blogspot.com/ THE PAT COOK SHOW (Audio Podcast) - http://thepcradioshow.blogspot.com/
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could virtualdub (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VirtualDub) be ported or like? --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jan McLaughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hadn't thought about that David, but it might be nice...especially to cut out the last 2-3 frames when filming 'small' video in 3gp (my pocket pc films in either 3gp or mp4, 'large'). Here are my collected 8525 links though - FYI - http://del.icio.us/love_detective/8525 Will let you know if I find anything in my web travels. Curious: Do you have a maximum MMS upload size attached to your account? If not, who are you using and what kind of plan do you have? Warmly, Jan On 10/22/07, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all - Does anyone know of a Windows Mobile application that allows for trimming and combining of video clips? I just cannot find such an app but find it hard to believe that not even one crappy option exists. My windows mobile phone takes video (avi or mp4) and I want to be able to trim the clips and then re-order/combine them together into one longer clip before I upload to blip (or wherever). Thanks, - Dave -- http://www.DavidMeade.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- The Faux Press - better than real http://feeds.feedburner.com/WburgtvFallFilmFest - Fall Film Fest http://fauxpress.blogspot.com http://wburg.tv aim=janofsound air=862.571.5334 skype=janmclaughlin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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I actually thought about this idea while traveling the world. I doubt that the processors of Windows Mobile devices are fast enough to allow editing of raw video, even if it's mobile phone shot compressed video. I, however, hope that one day there will be a Windows Mobile flash- based software that allows miniature video editing on the go. So, imagine the hard drive based camcorders would in-camera convert the video files to this mobile edit-friendly format, be it in 320X240 DIVX or other non-processor-intensive format. Allowing transfer of these file from camcorder via Bluetooth or memorystick to a Windows Mobile device. So while on the road, say, when still in transit to where the full-fledged editing workstation is, one can edit the clips on a Windows Mobile device, and later, after importing the raw equvivalent of those video clips, this mobile software will transfer all the math behind the edit so that all the raw video clips are presented just like in the mobile editor. This will be a big time saver for videographers who shoot they dailies outside the editing studios. So to sum up all the above; 1. Footage shot and each raw video clip on the hard drive of the camcorder has a mobile editable version 2. Either via bluetooth or memorystick, these files are transfered into a Windows Mobile device 3. Footage is edited, cuts, transitions, effects, etc. 4. When in the studio the miniature edit is sycronized with FCP or Premiere by importing the raw video clips and placing the edit in the timeline just like in the timeline of the Windows Mobile video editor. What do you guys think? Should we start harrassing camcorder manufacturers as well as finding the right talent to create this mobile software? :)) Of course it's idealistic, but, wouldn't it be great?? Cheers --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all - Does anyone know of a Windows Mobile application that allows for trimming and combining of video clips? I just cannot find such an app but find it hard to believe that not even one crappy option exists. My windows mobile phone takes video (avi or mp4) and I want to be able to trim the clips and then re-order/combine them together into one longer clip before I upload to blip (or wherever). Thanks, - Dave -- http://www.DavidMeade.com
[videoblogging] Re: pocketPC video editor?
I've been want something like this on my gp2x (http://wiki.gp2x.org/wiki/GP2X) (screw winblows) currently there seams like none for hand-held device (lets get programming) --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Renat Zarbailov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I actually thought about this idea while traveling the world. I doubt that the processors of Windows Mobile devices are fast enough to allow editing of raw video, even if it's mobile phone shot compressed video. I, however, hope that one day there will be a Windows Mobile flash- based software that allows miniature video editing on the go. So, imagine the hard drive based camcorders would in-camera convert the video files to this mobile edit-friendly format, be it in 320X240 DIVX or other non-processor-intensive format. Allowing transfer of these file from camcorder via Bluetooth or memorystick to a Windows Mobile device. So while on the road, say, when still in transit to where the full-fledged editing workstation is, one can edit the clips on a Windows Mobile device, and later, after importing the raw equvivalent of those video clips, this mobile software will transfer all the math behind the edit so that all the raw video clips are presented just like in the mobile editor. This will be a big time saver for videographers who shoot they dailies outside the editing studios. So to sum up all the above; 1. Footage shot and each raw video clip on the hard drive of the camcorder has a mobile editable version 2. Either via bluetooth or memorystick, these files are transfered into a Windows Mobile device 3. Footage is edited, cuts, transitions, effects, etc. 4. When in the studio the miniature edit is sycronized with FCP or Premiere by importing the raw video clips and placing the edit in the timeline just like in the timeline of the Windows Mobile video editor. What do you guys think? Should we start harrassing camcorder manufacturers as well as finding the right talent to create this mobile software? :)) Of course it's idealistic, but, wouldn't it be great?? Cheers --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Meade meade.dave@ wrote: Hi all - Does anyone know of a Windows Mobile application that allows for trimming and combining of video clips? I just cannot find such an app but find it hard to believe that not even one crappy option exists. My windows mobile phone takes video (avi or mp4) and I want to be able to trim the clips and then re-order/combine them together into one longer clip before I upload to blip (or wherever). Thanks, - Dave -- http://www.DavidMeade.com
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Plenty of wisdom there from Rupert :) And yeah I am surrounded by portable devices phones that can play video but I dont use them. The N95 has all the features but I dont find it fun to use, the screen isnt quite big enough and the UI is better but still not good enough. But now that Ive got an ipod touch, I can see what all this iphone fuss was about. Im impressed. UI wise, video wise lovely touchscreen size, this puts the all important fun into the device, and makes it more likely I would actually watch video on it. Obviously this touch is only wifi connected, not a mobile, and I really dont like the sound of the speed bitrate settings for iphone video over Edge. But yeah, its so much fun to actually surf the web on this thing compared to other devices, that I am now more optimistic about the future of portable devices, I think they will catch on when they are this much fun. I stand by my earlier ponderings that the features of a nokia N95 combined with the UI and touchscreen of the iphone, would be the killer device. If that doesnt catch on, then I dont think anything pocketsized will, and I give up on mobile video. And as the web surfing is so much fun, but still a bit of a challenge ont he small screen, I am drawn to sites that are optimised for such devices as the iphone and ipod touch, and I see things like tumblelogs as being a potential good fit, though blogs with a simple theme work well too. Just a shame about the video issue, 3gp is such poor quality Ive never really looked at it properly but maybe there is a demand for it out there, not convinced. Its not hard to anticipate that most mobile devices will eventually be capable of playing back h264, but the wide variety of connection speeds of mobile devices, will probably mean that one clear format type bitrate res may not emerge to dominate. Stuck with 3gp for a long time, ugh, oh well. Im not sure I'lle ver do stuff with video over cellular data networks, but wifi with decent devices is a lot more promising. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Pat, Yeah, the unfortunate truth of video codecs is that you can't make something for everyone. Flash seems like the perfect Mac/Windows solution, since nearly all computers have Flash player, or can download it quickly. But Flash doesn't work on phones. Or at least, Flash 8 9 won't work on my video phone. Gah. Flash 7 Youtube videos will, though. But now they're being converted to H264, which won't. The one format that does seem to be accepted by almost all phones that play video is 3gp. But at what resolution? 160x120 or thereabouts, I think. Tiny. If you get VisualHub, and get it to pump out multiple versions of your file, and upload all those files to Blip, and then get Blip to crosspost to your blog, you'll get a nice post with all your file formats linked to. MP4, WMV, 3GP, FLV. Then, if you publish with Wordpress, you can use something like the nice plugin that the ShowInABox.tv guys have made, to create format- specific feeds. So it'll be possible for you to 'easily' offer podcasting in different formats. But I have to ask, how many people will actually watch on a phone? Like Jan, I make videos using my phone - a Nokia N93, which has serious video capabilities - but I've never ever watched or subscribed to anybody else's video on it. And I'm someone who's very into watching web video. So is it worth the effort? I guess you won't know until you try. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv/ On 23 Oct 2007, at 00:03, Patrick Cook wrote: Hi everyone: On 10/22/07, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hmmm thats odd ... 3gp is a type of mp4 as I understand it .. but still ... that odd. :-P I don't think I can change the extension, but I can choose to save as avi instead of mp4 ... I'll do some testing ... given your discovery, I bet they probably are using the same codec inside the avi container and thus I probably wouldnt be sacrificing anything by using avi. I'll test that to be sure. I don't think this will work. I'm trying to figure out a way to encode videos for cell phones without having to upload like a hundred instances of THE SAME video every time I make a video on my desktop PC, but I don't think doing THIS will work regardless of the type of PC. So far, all I've found is some software that encode for some phones, but not others while other software will encode will only encode for only a scant (A *very small* scant at that) handful of phones and that's it. Cheers :D -- Pat Cook Denver, Colorado PODCASTS - **NEW VLOG** AS MY WORLD TURNS - http://asmyworldturnstv.blogspot.com/ PAT'S REAL DEAL VIDEO BLOG - http://patsrealdeal.livejournal.com/ PAT'S HEALTH MEDICAL WONDERS VIDEOCAST - http://patshealthmedicalwondersvideocast.blogspot.com/ YOUTUBE CHANNEL -
