[videoblogging] Re: Thinking outside the box...
More ways to generate $$ from vlogging: Vlogging can help you get you paid more in your day jobif you vlog about stuff you become more of a recognized expert about that stuff if you do decent work. This can help you get a better paying gig, or get better paid at your current gig. Vlogging can help you get a new job-for example, I'm managing a program where we're teaching kids to vlog. Wouldn't have happened if I wasn't vlogging. Vlogging is a tremendous social networking tool. Social networking is important for getting work. Use vlogging to promote your own businesse.g. if you're a rock musician, promote your gigs, if you're a ceramicist, show footage of yourself working in the studio. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ted Tagami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A valid exercise. Here is an off the top of my head first draft at it. I'll start by making two assumptions. Assumption #1: No advertising is the Provocative Operation. Assumption #2: The Goal of Revenue is to offset costs; provide for you (and your employee's, if any) living expenses; and increase your overall quality of life/time. This may or may not also include shareholder value depending on the scale of the endeavor. We therefore have at least 5 obvious choices exposed: (1) Donation, (2) Subscription/Purchase, (3) Sponsorship, (4) Benefactor, and (5) no revenue model (creation for creation's sake). Donation: relies on the random good will of your viewership. If donations do not reach revenue goals in assumption #2, you will need to advertise yourself to your viewership (think public radio/television) to keep your PL (Profit and Loss) in check. Subscription/Purchase: In order to view content viewer must pay a fee. This generally reduces your audience, especially in the Internet space where price is constantly being pushed to zero. As in donation above, if PL goals are not reached you will again be looking to advertise yourself to your visitors in hopes of converting them to paying viewers. Sponsorship: A cousin of advertising, more closely tied with branding. This may include a logo or bug, or perhaps a brought to you buy, or This program made possible by types of messages. Benefactor: Find yourself a Sugar Daddy that loves what you do, and they pay you for it. Think de'Medici. No Revenue: decide that real musicians have day jobs and leave it at that. On 1/5/06, Ron Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems to me that we are already stuck in a rut in terms of usage of this medium. How come we must jump right into advertising? I keep seeing *ads *being mentioned in terms of generating revenue, and it is said in such a way as to lead me to believe that it is the only viable method for generating revenue. Why? Let's do a little excercise here with all of you creative types. There is a concept called *Po* that I have read about. *Po* is a creative tool used for lateral thinking, or thinking outside the box. From WIkipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lateral_thinking: A notation used in Lateral thinking, is *Po*. This stands for *Provocative operation*and is used to propose an idea which may not necessarily be a solution or a 'good' idea in itself, but moves thinking forward to a new place where new ideas may be produced. So let's try it with this group: *Goal: *How can videoblogs generate revenue for vloggers? *Po: *Advertising does not exist. *Po: *Let's ban advertising on vlogs. I would like to look at this issue without that crutch of the 80 years of broadcast media our understanding is founded on. If so much is different with this medium, then why and the hell are we focused on the same old same old for generating revenue. Why are we letting the old skool media and the corporate media, the institutions we are going to challenge, lock us into their method of generating revenue? Later, Ron On Jan 5, 2006, at 3:59 PM, Ted Tagami wrote: a very timely quote. Thank you Matt! On 1/5/06, LeanBackVids.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This quote is in the January issue of Wired on page 73... iPod video has been a ding moment across media. It forces advertisers to make commercials compelling enough that people don't throw out their iPods and pick up a book. Sponsors also need to add their commercials to the vlogs I'm watching now. Ad agencies are whining about measurement. Well, wake up, fools! People are watching TV online and on their iPods and you're not there with them. Here is where Wired got that quote... http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2005/11/06/iads/ -Matt --- http://vlogmap.org http://leanbackvids.com http://ridertech.com -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS - Visit your group videoblogginghttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging on the web.
[videoblogging] re: Thinking outside the box...
Message: 17 Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 01:04:35 -0500 From: Ron Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Thinking outside the box... So let's try it with this group: Goal: How can videoblogs generate revenue for vloggers? Po: Advertising does not exist. Po: Let's ban advertising on vlogs. I would like to look at this issue without that crutch of the 80 years of broadcast media our understanding is founded on. If so much is different with this medium, then why and the hell are we focused on the same old same old for generating revenue. Why are we letting the old skool media and the corporate media, the institutions we are going to challenge, lock us into their method of generating revenue? Later, Ron hi ron, goodquestion. donations don't work--ask anyone in this group with a donation button on their site. subscription feesdon't work -- unless they are tiny tiny tiny($3/month), and you target a large niche willing to pay.the road is paved by people entertaining usfreely. most internet newbies will expect even more entertainment and education for free. to forgo all ads and spons means you can try selling other items that are of value to supplement your free materials butis there a downside to that?someleading videobloggerscall that "referral" or "affiliate"money and are idealistically opposed to even doing that. so I look forward to hearing more options.nerissaNerissa Odenhttp://www.TheVideoQueen.com/blog.htmlhttp://www.FreeVideoCoding.comhttp://www.FreeMediaGuide.comhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/videobloggingbusiness/http://www.movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/videowomen/http://www.Nebelungs.blogspot.com Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] re: Thinking outside the box...
Working out ways to making videoblogging pay, is like working out a way to make sitting at home playing dominos pay.* It's the same with any amateur creative endeavour, in a short period of time, new people end up with an inflated sense of self worth. In our community, its because of a false equation that we are the same as big media. i.e. they make content, they make money; I make content, so I should make money. Perhaps the equation should be: I make content, I don't make money; they make content, so they shouldn't make any either. With more and more free content coming out by the day, perhaps instead of asking how to make money, people should either go and work for a big media content provider (while they still exist), or have a big long rational think about why they're videoblogging in the first place, and ask the question: what's so special about me that someone would want to pay me money? Regards, Richard * Somewhere in the world, there are a dozen or so domino players making less than enough to live off. I'd prefer to get a real job. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] re: Thinking outside the box...
Having said that, if there's an investor out there willing to give me large wads of cash, no questions asked, then absolutely, I'm all ears. Drop me an email. Regards, Richard -- Vlog: http://www.kashum.com Feed: http://www.kashum.com/rss2.xml Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Thinking outside the box...
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Richard Bennett-Forrest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps the equation should be: I make content, I don't make money; they make content, so they shouldn't make any either. Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner, Johnny! Thus endeth the lesson. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] re: Thinking outside the box...
I like this question because there is gets to the variety of vlogs out there. Not all of them are or will be quirky, artisitic, avenues of personal _expression_, which I think may be harder (not impossible) to monetize or recoup the costs of putting together. Other themes like music, entertainment, or news commentary may be able to sell subscriptions of related products: cds, books, etc. regards,vincent.njoroge.ndonyeOn 1/6/06, Richard Bennett-Forrest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Working out ways to making videoblogging pay, is like working out a way to make sitting at home playing dominos pay.* It's the same with any amateur creative endeavour, in a short period of time, new people end up with an inflated sense of self worth. In our community, its because of a false equation that we are the same as big media. i.e. they make content, they make money; I make content, so I should make money. Perhaps the equation should be: I make content, I don't make money; they make content, so they shouldn't make any either. With more and more free content coming out by the day, perhaps instead of asking how to make money, people should either go and work for a big media content provider (while they still exist), or have a big long rational think about why they're videoblogging in the first place, and ask the question: what's so special about me that someone would want to pay me money? Regards, Richard * Somewhere in the world, there are a dozen or so domino players making less than enough to live off. I'd prefer to get a real job. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] re: Thinking outside the box...
There we go, RIchard!Po: Video Blogging should not make money. What is the byproduct of that?Your post gets to some valid points that immediately make me feel good about our prospects in maintaining control over our media and the ability to distribute it.The idea that we can race them to the bottom, in terms of making money off of media is interesting to me. If there is no money in media then there is no sense in controlling it, is there? Of course that would mean there would have to be some kind of disincentive to spending on media. Rest assured that I will be trying to wrap my head around that.of money and the origin of this thread:My original post was not intended to say that we should all be making money off of vlogging. In fact, I strenuously disagree with that statement. My point was that the only options available are advertisement and sponsorship, and that those are what has led us to this point in media; where the customers of the media, corporations, use the media to pull the wool over an unsuspecting public's eyes. Why do we only allow these options for funding to be reasonable. If we move to a sponsorship/advertising economic model, we will fall right into that system. They will hold the coin purse which will give them control over the barriers for entry, which will leave us in exactly the same place we started. rambling... sorry... but that is the point of this, isn't it?ronOn Jan 6, 2006, at 8:13 AM, Richard Bennett-Forrest wrote: Working out ways to making videoblogging pay, is like working out a way to make sitting at home playing dominos pay.* It's the same with any amateur creative endeavour, in a short period of time, new people end up with an inflated sense of self worth. In our community, its because of a false equation that "we" are the same as big media. i.e. they make content, they make money; I make content, so I should make money. Perhaps the equation should be: I make content, I don't make money; they make content, so they shouldn't make any either. With more and more free content coming out by the day, perhaps instead of asking how to make money, people should either go and work for a big media content provider (while they still exist), or have a big long rational think about why they're videoblogging in the first place, and ask the question: what's so special about me that someone would want to pay me money? Regards, Richard * Somewhere in the world, there are a dozen or so domino players making less than enough to live off. I'd prefer to get a real job. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Thinking outside the box...
Ron is right. Some videobloggers NEED to make money. I, for example, had three hours of sleep last night and was woken up by a fire alarm at 4am (30 minutes after I lay down to sleep). I can barely open my eyes yet I'm at work anyways... why? Because I need the money to live on and I don't get paid for the full time job I have making Kitkast. Some could argue that I don't NEED to make a videoblog, but if I ever had to give it up I would be heartwrenched. I tried the donation button thing and it worked for one donation... then PayPal shut down my account because they accused me of selling sexual services (for anyone who watches my show, you should know how VERY wrong they are... unfortunately, outside of working full time by day as a secretary and full time by night on my show, I don't have much time to argue with PayPal in between!. The debate 'to be paid or not to be paid' is only here because we are in limbo... waiting for the mainstream to fully integrate the system vloggers and bloggers have set in motion. Until the integration is complete, we will continue to struggle and to wonder what the outcome will be... and something tells me it will involve something similar to TiVo but available to the whole world (TiVo's not available up here in Canada). All I know is that the future is digital... our walls will be made of hard drives. Kitka http://www.kitkast.com/ --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ron Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There we go, RIchard! Po: Video Blogging should not make money. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] re: Thinking outside the box...
Friday, January 6, 2006, 1:49:18 PM, Ron Watson wrote: If there is no money in media then there is no sense in controlling it, is there? But if there's no money in the media itself, then that leaves the field wide open for people and organizations willing to spend money to achieve other aims: politics, evangelism, propaganda and advertising. Have any of us got the clout to go up against any of _those_ bankrolls? -- Frank Carver http://www.makevideo.org.uk Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Thinking outside the box...
I call bullshit, on this. Videoblogging is communication. Communication has emensly more value than playing dominos. Anything that has value to *anyone* can be monitized. Anyone who has an audiance has value to offer someone else who wants to talk to that audiance. To say that no one should or could make money off video blogging is like saying that no one can or should make money off of blogging, but that's already being done so there goes that theory. There hasn't been a lack of free content in the world for a very long time. We've been at critical mass in this reguard for quite a while. So I have no idea what your point is about increasing amount of free content. Theres already more than any one person can ever hope to view. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Richard Bennett-Forrest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Working out ways to making videoblogging pay, is like working out a way to make sitting at home playing dominos pay.* *SNIP* in the first place, and ask the question: what's so special about me that someone would want to pay me money? Regards, Richard * Somewhere in the world, there are a dozen or so domino players making less than enough to live off. I'd prefer to get a real job. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] re: Thinking outside the box...
Nerissa (TheVideoQueen) wrote: donations don't work--ask anyone in this group with a donation button on their site. I've gotten one donation. It worked quite well. It made me feel that the person really valued what I did, and though it wasn't a huge amount, I added it to the funds to get myself one of those cheapy digital video cameras. So that one donation had a huge impact, maybe not financially, but motivationally... Thanks! Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] re: Thinking outside the box...
Why would you consider yourself in competition with those bankrolls, anyway? Are they capable of preventing you from making media? If not, then why do you think someone with an evangelist message will take audience share away from you, who do not? A friend of a friend is putting together (as soon as I can help him) a vlog for his law firm to provide insight, advice, and news on drug laws. Will this make him money directly? If it keeps people from getting arrested, no. Will it provide revenue for him anyway? I don't know, but I'm willing to bet dollars to megabytes that it will. Certainly, I know he'll have a lot of subscribers! --Stephanie On 1/6/06, Frank Carver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But if there's no money in the media itself, then that leaves the field wide open for people and organizations willing to spend money to achieve other aims: politics, evangelism, propaganda and advertising. Have any of us got the clout to go up against any of _those_ bankrolls? -- Stephanie Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vlog: http://mortaine.blogspot.com Audioblog: http://bookramble.blogspot.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Thinking outside the box...
Hi Bill, I call bullshit, on this. Anyone who has an audiance has value to offer someone else who wants to talk to that audiance. I believe the original point of this thread was to find income outside of advertising and also that selling your audience to a third party, is a moral issue. And anyway, advertising won't pay a videoblogger's bills. To say that no one should or could make money off video blogging is like saying that no one can or should make money off of blogging, but that's already being done so there goes that theory. Well, let's just step back for a minute, I didn't say that no one should or could make, so please don't put words in my mouth. I said that people who aren't making money, but are looking for a way to, should probably carefully consider their options. Secondly, it depends what you call blogging and videoblogging, doesn't it? The discussion I believe was about the more traditional type of videblog, so personal entries in crono order on a blog. (Ooh, that'll get me in trouble on this list) There hasn't been a lack of free content in the world for a very long So I have no idea what your point is about increasing amount of free content. So you're saying the amount of free content won't increase? Here's an example. Who here watches RocketBoom? How many RocketBoom lookalikes are there today? How many will there be in six or twelve months? Will RocketBoom be able to compete? Andrew and Amanda have staked their claim, but it won't last. In a year, just like in podcasting, there will be a hundred, if not a thousand RocketBooms. Maybe not as sexy as Andrew, but there you go. ;-) I'm going to step out of this one now. Several opinions. Who knows what we'll be doing in 12 months. I'm more than happy to be proven wrong when my vlog is my primary source of income. Regards, Richard Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] re: Thinking outside the box...
its always great to give a donation.i have donated money to programmersusually because i make use of the software or feel they are providing a valuable free service. do you think they get a lot of donations? not usually i bet even Bram of BitTorrent barely got much donations and we all know how useful that technology is. Though he is well off now!most video, even rboom video, loses value once it leaves the lot (car purchase analogy).some provide valuable info, training or stimulation. those are able to sustain value over time. so:the video should have a long-term valueif not a daily type of show.otherwise, it could be great 'art' that you see and love but dont purchase off the wall.sull On 1/6/06, Pete Prodoehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nerissa (TheVideoQueen) wrote: donations don't work--ask anyone in this group with a donation button on their site.I've gotten one donation. It worked quite well. It made me feel that theperson really valued what I did, and though it wasn't a huge amount, I added it to the funds to get myself one of those cheapy digital videocameras.So that one donation had a huge impact, maybe not financially, butmotivationally...Thanks!Pete-- http://tinkernet.org/videoblog for the future...Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- sull - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directoryhttp://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] re: Thinking outside the box...
also, who has donated money to ourmedia.org, blip.tv, fireant, mefeedia or vlogdir and on and on... these are services... many make great use of and benefit from. if they cant get many random donations, you better believe that most vloggers wont either.On 1/6/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:its always great to give a donation.i have donated money to programmers usually because i make use of the software or feel they are providing a valuable free service. do you think they get a lot of donations? not usually i bet even Bram of BitTorrent barely got much donations and we all know how useful that technology is. Though he is well off now!most video, even rboom video, loses value once it leaves the lot (car purchase analogy).some provide valuable info, training or stimulation. those are able to sustain value over time. so:the video should have a long-term valueif not a daily type of show.otherwise, it could be great 'art' that you see and love but dont purchase off the wall.sull On 1/6/06, Pete Prodoehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nerissa (TheVideoQueen) wrote: donations don't work--ask anyone in this group with a donation button on their site.I've gotten one donation. It worked quite well. It made me feel that theperson really valued what I did, and though it wasn't a huge amount, I added it to the funds to get myself one of those cheapy digital videocameras.So that one donation had a huge impact, maybe not financially, butmotivationally...Thanks!Pete-- http://tinkernet.org/videoblog for the future...Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- sull - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directory http://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog -- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directoryhttp://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Thinking outside the box...
I'm not saying that there won't be an increase in content. I'm saying that the increase hardly matters when there is already more content than there are hours in a day. We've been at critical mass in terms of content even before the Internet came along. Content producers aren't just competing with content from their own niche distribution model. When I watch video blogs they compete for time against everything else I do. So in order for me to choose to watch they have to be more compelling, for some reason, than say any of the other entertainment options I have at any given time. Now can selling your audience to a third party be a moral issue? Yeah. But it depends on how you do it. If you make your users register to see your content and then sell their personal info behind their backs to market research companies then that would be immoral in my book. If you communicate to your audience that you need to take on some advertising or a sponsorship to help pay your bills then I see no moral issue with that. It's the difference between being up front and honest about what you're doing and not. There can also be issues with how much you might compromise your content to please advertisers as well, and that's yet another can of worms that isn't unique to this space. On the topic of what a traditional video blog is, I gotta wonder how a medium so young can have anything that is really traditional. RB is pretty old in terms of vlogs (just over a year) is that a traditional video blog? The only traditions I can see in video blogging is the basic tools and techniques we use. I wouldn't want to lock in any hard and fast definition of what a traditional vlog is. Once we do that then that can stifle the creativity of what others think they can do with it. One thing that I think we can all agree on is that putting video on a blog is a powerful thing. But really, I gotta say, even the most mundane personal video blog has much more value than playing dominoes. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Richard Bennett-Forrest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bill, I call bullshit, on this. Anyone who has an audiance has value to offer someone else who wants to talk to that audiance. I believe the original point of this thread was to find income outside of advertising and also that selling your audience to a third party, is a moral issue. And anyway, advertising won't pay a videoblogger's bills. To say that no one should or could make money off video blogging is like saying that no one can or should make money off of blogging, but that's already being done so there goes that theory. Well, let's just step back for a minute, I didn't say that no one should or could make, so please don't put words in my mouth. I said that people who aren't making money, but are looking for a way to, should probably carefully consider their options. Secondly, it depends what you call blogging and videoblogging, doesn't it? The discussion I believe was about the more traditional type of videblog, so personal entries in crono order on a blog. (Ooh, that'll get me in trouble on this list) There hasn't been a lack of free content in the world for a very long So I have no idea what your point is about increasing amount of free content. So you're saying the amount of free content won't increase? Here's an example. Who here watches RocketBoom? How many RocketBoom lookalikes are there today? How many will there be in six or twelve months? Will RocketBoom be able to compete? Andrew and Amanda have staked their claim, but it won't last. In a year, just like in podcasting, there will be a hundred, if not a thousand RocketBooms. Maybe not as sexy as Andrew, but there you go. ;-) I'm going to step out of this one now. Several opinions. Who knows what we'll be doing in 12 months. I'm more than happy to be proven wrong when my vlog is my primary source of income. Regards, Richard Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Thinking outside the box...
Bill Streeter wrote: But really, I gotta say, even the most mundane personal video blog has much more value than playing dominoes. How long until we see videoblogs about people playing dominoes? (That sounds like a Friday Challenge to me!) Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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On the topic of what a traditional video blog is, I gotta wonder Geez Bill, now you're trying to argue things I agree with. Do you actually read my emails? On the original point, we disagree. No extra couple of hundred words, and nit picking the technicalities of the argument is going to change that. When you're next in Sydney, give me call, we'll play Scrabble instead. Regards, Richard Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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you're kidding, right? =) http://chasingmills.blogspot.com/2006/01/dominoes.html Pete Prodoehl wrote: Bill Streeter wrote: But really, I gotta say, even the most mundane personal video blog has much more value than playing dominoes. How long until we see videoblogs about people playing dominoes? (That sounds like a Friday Challenge to me!) Pete -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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It's not the activity -- dominnoes, taking garbage out, writing a letter, etc. -- that makes a scene interesting, but the narrative drama of characters. -- Enric --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you're kidding, right? =) http://chasingmills.blogspot.com/2006/01/dominoes.html Pete Prodoehl wrote: Bill Streeter wrote: But really, I gotta say, even the most mundane personal video blog has much more value than playing dominoes. How long until we see videoblogs about people playing dominoes? (That sounds like a Friday Challenge to me!) Pete -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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You are spot on Frank. Those four are all birds-of-a-feather. It's about mindshare. There are quite a few vloggers that want their signal undiluted, and I can respect that.On 1/6/06, Frank Carver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Friday, January 6, 2006, 1:49:18 PM, Ron Watson wrote: If there is no money in media then there is no sense in controlling it, is there? But if there's no money in the media itself, then that leaves the field wide open for people and organizations willing to spend money to achieve other aims: politics, evangelism, propaganda and advertising. Have any of us got the clout to go up against any of _those_ bankrolls? -- Frank Carver http://www.makevideo.org.uk YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Ted Tagamitagami.comU N I V E R S U S . N E T YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ms. Kitka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The debate 'to be paid or not to be paid' is only here because we are in limbo... waiting for the mainstream to fully integrate the system vloggers and bloggers have set in motion. Wanting the mainstream to integrate vlogging and blogging into itself--to subsume them, in other words--is akin to having a death wish. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
