Re: [videoblogging] Re: Best Overal Digital Video Format

[Charles Iliya Krempeaux]

Hello,Actually, thinking about it, promoting VideoLAN would be a good way promoting Ogg Theora.  SoEveryone should promote VideoLAN and link to: http://getVideoLAN.com/
   (Kind of like to getfirefox.com and getfireant.com links.)Just need some nice buttons and banner ads to link to it.See ya
On 4/5/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hello Harold,Short answer... VideoLAN will continue to support it.Long answer... I don't see why they would remove support for Windows Media formats on the Mac.  They have no reason to remove it.  It's probably more work to remove it.  And keeping it there is in line with their goals.  (Which seems to be that VideoLAN is the "ultimate video player" that plays everything.)
See yaOn 4/5/06, Harold Johnson <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Yes, that was it; thanks.  Do you know if VideoLAN Client is planning on continuing to support Windows Media formats in its Mac client, even though Microsoft is discontinuing it own support for Apple's platform?  Just wondering if you know...

 
Harold 
On 4/5/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <

[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Hello,(As far as I know...) VLC == VideoLAN Client.So you are using VideoLAN.See ya

On 4/5/06, Harold Johnson < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote: 


Good to know.  I think I'm using VideoLan on my Mac at home.  I think.  (I may just be using VLC right now; I forget.)

 
Harold 


On 4/5/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <


[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 



Hello,Or you could suggest to your uses that they install VideoLAN -- 


http://www.videolan.org/ (VideoLan supports playing Ogg Theora, as well as almost every other video format.) (There actually already seems to be quite a large install base for this already.  So there's probably more people who can watch Ogg Theora movies than you expect.) 

See ya
On 4/4/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote: 

Hello Harold,Just another point (that I forgot to mention before).  If you want to support Ogg Theora video, but are worried that browsers won't support it, you could always use the Free and open source applet that plays it.  You can get more info here: 

Cortadohttp://www.flumotion.net/cortado/ 


(It's akin to the Flash video player people are using.  But works with Ogg Theora.) See ya 

On 4/4/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote: 

Hello,If you implement the MPEG4 standard then you have to pay someone a "tax" to use it.  Specifically, you have to pay these guys:
http://www.mpegla.com/ MPEG4 is NOT an "open standard". 

See ya
On 4/4/06, Harold Johnson < [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote: 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't MPEG4 an open source format?  Or is that open standard?  (Or both?) 
HaroldOn 4/4/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:>  Hello, 
>> Currently, I don't think there is one defacto standard video format. > There's a whole set of formats that are currently being used:>> MPEG> WMV> QuickTime (.mov)> M4V (iPod) 
> MP4 (MPEG4)> FLV (Flash Video)> RM (Real Media)> Xivd> Ogg Theora> Most vlogs I go to regularly support around 4 of these formats.>> Everyone seems to be trying to support as much as possible to get the widest 
> possible audience. >> Honestly, I think it's early enough in the game where we can influence and> perhaps even determine which format will become the defacto standard.>> As soon as you get enough browsers/players reading it, and get enough free 
> (and maybe non-free) vlog hosting providers producing it, it will become the> defacto standard. See ya>> On 4/4/06, Harold Johnson <


 [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > Charles,> >> > This is the first I've heard of Ogg Theora, and I am *into* open> > source; that is, I run Linux on a PC and on an old Powerbook at home, 
> > though I can't say I use it every day (or even every week or month,> > for that matter).  I have my doubts that Ogg Theora will become the de> > facto standard; I mean, look at Ogg Vorbis.  How many of you (reading 
> > this) even know what Ogg Vorbis is?> >> > You're perhaps right, however, about one format or another becoming> > the de facto standard in the future.  Look at what happened with 
> > Flash; now you'll find it installed in nearly every browser out there.> > And though I admire your idealism about Ogg and its future, which> > format do you think is the *current* de facto standard? 
> >> > Thanks for your feedback,> > Harold> >> > On 4/4/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <


 [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > >  Hello,> > >> > > I think the only way to really make all (or most) browsers support one> > > standard video format is to force them. 
> > >> > > Basically, we do this by making a single video format the defacto > standard.> > > In other words, all of us vloggers just start using one video format,> and 
> > > eventually, the browser makers will feel compelled to support that> format.> > >> > > Now, this doesn't mean that we don't support other formats.  It just> means 
> > > that as a baseline we always support 

[videoblogging] Re: Best Overal Digital Video Format

[Bill Streeter]

I believe that they are. I think the intent of VLC is to be a good all
around video player that can play all known and available formats. I
don't know if they've fully achieved this but they've done pretty well.

As far as your original question goes, there isn't a good answer.
There isn't one good fool proof video format that is the absolute
best. MP4 comes close but not close enough. And if you are doing MP4
there is the question of which MP4 to use. There are a lot of versions
of it and lots of different audio/video codec combinations you can
use. I personally am doing ipod compatible Quicktime files for the
moment and flash video for embedding on my site. But I'm in the
process of rethinking everything right now and may end up doing about
4 formats each with their own feeds. WMV, MP4 (ipod and PSP
compatible) 3GP and Flash. So there ya go.

Bill Streeter
LO-FI SAINT LOUIS
www.lofistl.com

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Harold Johnson"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Yes, that was it; thanks.  Do you know if VideoLAN Client is planning on
> continuing to support Windows Media formats in its Mac client, even
though
> Microsoft is discontinuing it own support for Apple's platform?  Just
> wondering if you know...
> 
> Harold
> 
> 
> On 4/5/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > (As far as I know...) VLC == VideoLAN Client.
> >
> > So you are using VideoLAN.
> >
> >
> > See ya
> >
> >
> > On 4/5/06, Harold Johnson < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >  Good to know.  I think I'm using VideoLan on my Mac at home.  I
think.
> > > (I may just be using VLC right now; I forget.)
> > >
> > > Harold
> > >
> > >
> > >  On 4/5/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > >  Hello,
> > >
> > > Or you could suggest to your uses that they install VideoLAN --
http://www.videolan.org/
> > >
> > >
> > > (VideoLan supports playing Ogg Theora, as well as almost every other
> > > video format.)
> > >
> > > (There actually already seems to be quite a large install base
for this
> > > already.  So there's probably more people who can watch Ogg
Theora movies
> > > than you expect.)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > See ya
> > >
> > > On 4/4/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello Harold,
> > > >
> > > > Just another point (that I forgot to mention before).  If you
want to
> > > > support Ogg Theora video, but are worried that browsers won't
support it,
> > > > you could always use the Free and open source applet that
plays it.  You can
> > > > get more info here:
> > > >
> > > > Cortado
> > > > http://www.flumotion.net/cortado/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > (It's akin to the Flash video player people are using.  But
works with
> > > > Ogg Theora.)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > See ya
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  On 4/4/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello,
> > > > >
> > > > > If you implement the MPEG4 standard then you have to pay
someone a
> > > > > "tax" to use it.  Specifically, you have to pay these guys:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.mpegla.com/
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > MPEG4 is NOT an "open standard".
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > See ya
> > > > >
> > > > > On 4/4/06, Harold Johnson < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't MPEG4 an open source
> > > > > > format?  Or is
> > > > > > that open standard?  (Or both?)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Harold
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 4/4/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >  Hello,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Currently, I don't think there is one defacto standard video
> > > > > > format.
> > > > > > > There's a whole set of formats that are currently being
used:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > MPEG
> > > > > > > WMV
> > > > > > > QuickTime (.mov)
> > > > > > > M4V (iPod)
> > > > > > > MP4 (MPEG4)
> > > > > > > FLV (Flash Video)
> > > > > > > RM (Real Media)
> > > > > > > Xivd
> > > > > > > Ogg Theora
> > > > > > > Most vlogs I go to regularly support around 4 of these
formats.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Everyone seems to be trying to support as much as
possible to
> > > > > > get the widest
> > > > > > > possible audience.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Honestly, I think it's early enough in the game where we can
> > > > > > influence and
> > > > > > > perhaps even determine which format will become the defacto
> > > > > > standard.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As soon as you get enough browsers/players reading it,
and get
> > > > > > enough free
> > > > > > > (and maybe non-free) vlog hosting providers producing it, it
> > > > > > will become the
> > > > > > > defacto standard.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > See ya
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 4/4/06, Harold Johnson < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Charles,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > This is the first I've heard of Ogg Theora, and I am
*into*
> > > > > > open
> > 

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Best Overal Digital Video Format

[Charles Iliya Krempeaux]

Hello Harold,Short answer... VideoLAN will continue to support it.Long answer... I don't see why they would remove support for Windows Media formats on the Mac.  They have no reason to remove it.  It's probably more work to remove it.  And keeping it there is in line with their goals.  (Which seems to be that VideoLAN is the "ultimate video player" that plays everything.)
See yaOn 4/5/06, Harold Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Yes, that was it; thanks.  Do you know if VideoLAN Client is planning on continuing to support Windows Media formats in its Mac client, even though Microsoft is discontinuing it own support for Apple's platform?  Just wondering if you know...

 
Harold 
On 4/5/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hello,(As far as I know...) VLC == VideoLAN Client.So you are using VideoLAN.See ya

On 4/5/06, Harold Johnson < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote: 


Good to know.  I think I'm using VideoLan on my Mac at home.  I think.  (I may just be using VLC right now; I forget.)

 
Harold 


On 4/5/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <

[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 



Hello,Or you could suggest to your uses that they install VideoLAN -- 

http://www.videolan.org/ (VideoLan supports playing Ogg Theora, as well as almost every other video format.) (There actually already seems to be quite a large install base for this already.  So there's probably more people who can watch Ogg Theora movies than you expect.) 

See ya
On 4/4/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote: 

Hello Harold,Just another point (that I forgot to mention before).  If you want to support Ogg Theora video, but are worried that browsers won't support it, you could always use the Free and open source applet that plays it.  You can get more info here: 

Cortadohttp://www.flumotion.net/cortado/ 

(It's akin to the Flash video player people are using.  But works with Ogg Theora.) See ya 

On 4/4/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote: 

Hello,If you implement the MPEG4 standard then you have to pay someone a "tax" to use it.  Specifically, you have to pay these guys:
http://www.mpegla.com/ MPEG4 is NOT an "open standard". 

See ya
On 4/4/06, Harold Johnson < [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote: 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't MPEG4 an open source format?  Or is that open standard?  (Or both?) 
HaroldOn 4/4/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:>  Hello, 
>> Currently, I don't think there is one defacto standard video format. > There's a whole set of formats that are currently being used:>> MPEG> WMV> QuickTime (.mov)> M4V (iPod) 
> MP4 (MPEG4)> FLV (Flash Video)> RM (Real Media)> Xivd> Ogg Theora> Most vlogs I go to regularly support around 4 of these formats.>> Everyone seems to be trying to support as much as possible to get the widest 
> possible audience. >> Honestly, I think it's early enough in the game where we can influence and> perhaps even determine which format will become the defacto standard.>> As soon as you get enough browsers/players reading it, and get enough free 
> (and maybe non-free) vlog hosting providers producing it, it will become the> defacto standard. See ya>> On 4/4/06, Harold Johnson <

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > Charles,> >> > This is the first I've heard of Ogg Theora, and I am *into* open> > source; that is, I run Linux on a PC and on an old Powerbook at home, 
> > though I can't say I use it every day (or even every week or month,> > for that matter).  I have my doubts that Ogg Theora will become the de> > facto standard; I mean, look at Ogg Vorbis.  How many of you (reading 
> > this) even know what Ogg Vorbis is?> >> > You're perhaps right, however, about one format or another becoming> > the de facto standard in the future.  Look at what happened with 
> > Flash; now you'll find it installed in nearly every browser out there.> > And though I admire your idealism about Ogg and its future, which> > format do you think is the *current* de facto standard? 
> >> > Thanks for your feedback,> > Harold> >> > On 4/4/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > >  Hello,> > >> > > I think the only way to really make all (or most) browsers support one> > > standard video format is to force them. 
> > >> > > Basically, we do this by making a single video format the defacto > standard.> > > In other words, all of us vloggers just start using one video format,> and 
> > > eventually, the browser makers will feel compelled to support that> format.> > >> > > Now, this doesn't mean that we don't support other formats.  It just> means 
> > > that as a baseline we always support that one video format.> > >> > > (My vote is for Ogg Theora to be the defacto standard for the reasons I > > > previously mentioned.) 
> > >> > >> > > If you want an example of this working Just look at RSS.  It's now> being> > > supported by all the browsers because it was a defacto standard.   
I.e.,> the> > > browsers added support for RSS because everyone was 

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Best Overal Digital Video Format

[Harold Johnson]

Yes, that was it; thanks.  Do you know if VideoLAN Client is planning on continuing to support Windows Media formats in its Mac client, even though Microsoft is discontinuing it own support for Apple's platform?  Just wondering if you know...

 
Harold 
On 4/5/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hello,(As far as I know...) VLC == VideoLAN Client.So you are using VideoLAN.See ya

On 4/5/06, Harold Johnson < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote: 


Good to know.  I think I'm using VideoLan on my Mac at home.  I think.  (I may just be using VLC right now; I forget.)

 
Harold 


On 4/5/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 



Hello,Or you could suggest to your uses that they install VideoLAN -- 
http://www.videolan.org/ (VideoLan supports playing Ogg Theora, as well as almost every other video format.) (There actually already seems to be quite a large install base for this already.  So there's probably more people who can watch Ogg Theora movies than you expect.) 

See ya
On 4/4/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux < [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote: 

Hello Harold,Just another point (that I forgot to mention before).  If you want to support Ogg Theora video, but are worried that browsers won't support it, you could always use the Free and open source applet that plays it.  You can get more info here: 

Cortadohttp://www.flumotion.net/cortado/ 
(It's akin to the Flash video player people are using.  But works with Ogg Theora.) See ya 

On 4/4/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux < [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote: 

Hello,If you implement the MPEG4 standard then you have to pay someone a "tax" to use it.  Specifically, you have to pay these guys:
http://www.mpegla.com/ MPEG4 is NOT an "open standard". 

See ya
On 4/4/06, Harold Johnson < [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote: 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't MPEG4 an open source format?  Or is that open standard?  (Or both?) 
HaroldOn 4/4/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:>  Hello, 
>> Currently, I don't think there is one defacto standard video format. > There's a whole set of formats that are currently being used:>> MPEG> WMV> QuickTime (.mov)> M4V (iPod) 
> MP4 (MPEG4)> FLV (Flash Video)> RM (Real Media)> Xivd> Ogg Theora> Most vlogs I go to regularly support around 4 of these formats.>> Everyone seems to be trying to support as much as possible to get the widest 
> possible audience. >> Honestly, I think it's early enough in the game where we can influence and> perhaps even determine which format will become the defacto standard.>> As soon as you get enough browsers/players reading it, and get enough free 
> (and maybe non-free) vlog hosting providers producing it, it will become the> defacto standard. See ya>> On 4/4/06, Harold Johnson <
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > Charles,> >> > This is the first I've heard of Ogg Theora, and I am *into* open> > source; that is, I run Linux on a PC and on an old Powerbook at home, 
> > though I can't say I use it every day (or even every week or month,> > for that matter).  I have my doubts that Ogg Theora will become the de> > facto standard; I mean, look at Ogg Vorbis.  How many of you (reading 
> > this) even know what Ogg Vorbis is?> >> > You're perhaps right, however, about one format or another becoming> > the de facto standard in the future.  Look at what happened with 
> > Flash; now you'll find it installed in nearly every browser out there.> > And though I admire your idealism about Ogg and its future, which> > format do you think is the *current* de facto standard? 
> >> > Thanks for your feedback,> > Harold> >> > On 4/4/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > >  Hello,> > >> > > I think the only way to really make all (or most) browsers support one> > > standard video format is to force them. 
> > >> > > Basically, we do this by making a single video format the defacto > standard.> > > In other words, all of us vloggers just start using one video format,> and 
> > > eventually, the browser makers will feel compelled to support that> format.> > >> > > Now, this doesn't mean that we don't support other formats.  It just> means 
> > > that as a baseline we always support that one video format.> > >> > > (My vote is for Ogg Theora to be the defacto standard for the reasons I > > > previously mentioned.) 
> > >> > >> > > If you want an example of this working Just look at RSS.  It's now> being> > > supported by all the browsers because it was a defacto standard.   
I.e.,> the> > > browsers added support for RSS because everyone was using it.> > >> > >> > > See ya> > >> > >> > > On 4/4/06, Harold Johnson < 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > I wish there was a format that played great online on most browsers 
> (which> > > would still be IE, unfortunately) and played just as well on the video> iPod> > > and the Creative Zen Vision:M device...> > > >> > > > 
> > > > Harold> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > On 4/4/06, Enric <
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > > > > > > >

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Best Overal Digital Video Format

[Charles Iliya Krempeaux]

Hello,(As far as I know...) VLC == VideoLAN Client.So you are using VideoLAN.See yaOn 4/5/06, Harold Johnson <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Good to know.  I think I'm using VideoLan on my Mac at home.  I think.  (I may just be using VLC right now; I forget.)
 
Harold 
On 4/5/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hello,Or you could suggest to your uses that they install VideoLAN -- 
http://www.videolan.org/
(VideoLan supports playing Ogg Theora, as well as almost every other video format.) (There actually already seems to be quite a large install base for this already.  So there's probably more people who can watch Ogg Theora movies than you expect.)

See ya
On 4/4/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote: 

Hello Harold,Just another point (that I forgot to mention before).  If you want to support Ogg Theora video, but are worried that browsers won't support it, you could always use the Free and open source applet that plays it.  You can get more info here: 

Cortadohttp://www.flumotion.net/cortado/ 
(It's akin to the Flash video player people are using.  But works with Ogg Theora.) 
See ya 

On 4/4/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote: 

Hello,If you implement the MPEG4 standard then you have to pay someone a "tax" to use it.  Specifically, you have to pay these guys:
http://www.mpegla.com/ MPEG4 is NOT an "open standard".


See ya
On 4/4/06, Harold Johnson < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote: 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't MPEG4 an open source format?  Or is that open standard?  (Or both?)
HaroldOn 4/4/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:>  Hello,
>> Currently, I don't think there is one defacto standard video format. > There's a whole set of formats that are currently being used:>> MPEG> WMV> QuickTime (.mov)> M4V (iPod)
> MP4 (MPEG4)> FLV (Flash Video)> RM (Real Media)> Xivd> Ogg Theora> Most vlogs I go to regularly support around 4 of these formats.>> Everyone seems to be trying to support as much as possible to get the widest
> possible audience. >> Honestly, I think it's early enough in the game where we can influence and> perhaps even determine which format will become the defacto standard.>> As soon as you get enough browsers/players reading it, and get enough free 
> (and maybe non-free) vlog hosting providers producing it, it will become the> defacto standard. See ya>> On 4/4/06, Harold Johnson <

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > Charles,> >> > This is the first I've heard of Ogg Theora, and I am *into* open> > source; that is, I run Linux on a PC and on an old Powerbook at home, 
> > though I can't say I use it every day (or even every week or month,> > for that matter).  I have my doubts that Ogg Theora will become the de> > facto standard; I mean, look at Ogg Vorbis.  How many of you (reading 
> > this) even know what Ogg Vorbis is?> >> > You're perhaps right, however, about one format or another becoming> > the de facto standard in the future.  Look at what happened with 
> > Flash; now you'll find it installed in nearly every browser out there.> > And though I admire your idealism about Ogg and its future, which> > format do you think is the *current* de facto standard? 
> >> > Thanks for your feedback,> > Harold> >> > On 4/4/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > >  Hello,> > >> > > I think the only way to really make all (or most) browsers support one> > > standard video format is to force them.
> > >> > > Basically, we do this by making a single video format the defacto > standard.> > > In other words, all of us vloggers just start using one video format,> and
> > > eventually, the browser makers will feel compelled to support that> format.> > >> > > Now, this doesn't mean that we don't support other formats.  It just> means

> > > that as a baseline we always support that one video format.> > >> > > (My vote is for Ogg Theora to be the defacto standard for the reasons I > > > previously mentioned.)
> > >> > >> > > If you want an example of this working Just look at RSS.  It's now> being> > > supported by all the browsers because it was a defacto standard.   
I.e.,> the> > > browsers added support for RSS because everyone was using it.> > >> > >> > > See ya> > >> > >> > > On 4/4/06, Harold Johnson < 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > I wish there was a format that played great online on most browsers 
> (which> > > would still be IE, unfortunately) and played just as well on the video> iPod> > > and the Creative Zen Vision:M device...> > > >> > > >
> > > > Harold> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > On 4/4/06, Enric <

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > 3ivx creates mp4 with AAC that's compatible with quicktime 6 & 7,> iPod> > > > > and I suspect also the PSP player.  It also looks quite good with
> dual> > > > > pass encoding.> > > > >> > > > >   -- Enric> > > > >   -==-> > > > >   

http://www.cirne.com > > > > >> > > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
, "Harold Jo

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Best Overal Digital Video Format

[Harold Johnson]

Good to know.  I think I'm using VideoLan on my Mac at home.  I think.  (I may just be using VLC right now; I forget.)
 
Harold 
On 4/5/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hello,Or you could suggest to your uses that they install VideoLAN -- http://www.videolan.org/
(VideoLan supports playing Ogg Theora, as well as almost every other video format.) (There actually already seems to be quite a large install base for this already.  So there's probably more people who can watch Ogg Theora movies than you expect.)

See ya
On 4/4/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote: 

Hello Harold,Just another point (that I forgot to mention before).  If you want to support Ogg Theora video, but are worried that browsers won't support it, you could always use the Free and open source applet that plays it.  You can get more info here: 

Cortadohttp://www.flumotion.net/cortado/ (It's akin to the Flash video player people are using.  But works with Ogg Theora.) 
See ya 

On 4/4/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote: 

Hello,If you implement the MPEG4 standard then you have to pay someone a "tax" to use it.  Specifically, you have to pay these guys:
http://www.mpegla.com/ MPEG4 is NOT an "open standard".

See ya
On 4/4/06, Harold Johnson < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote: 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't MPEG4 an open source format?  Or is that open standard?  (Or both?)
HaroldOn 4/4/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:>  Hello,
>> Currently, I don't think there is one defacto standard video format. > There's a whole set of formats that are currently being used:>> MPEG> WMV> QuickTime (.mov)> M4V (iPod)
> MP4 (MPEG4)> FLV (Flash Video)> RM (Real Media)> Xivd> Ogg Theora> Most vlogs I go to regularly support around 4 of these formats.>> Everyone seems to be trying to support as much as possible to get the widest
> possible audience. >> Honestly, I think it's early enough in the game where we can influence and> perhaps even determine which format will become the defacto standard.>> As soon as you get enough browsers/players reading it, and get enough free 
> (and maybe non-free) vlog hosting providers producing it, it will become the> defacto standard. See ya>> On 4/4/06, Harold Johnson <
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > Charles,> >> > This is the first I've heard of Ogg Theora, and I am *into* open> > source; that is, I run Linux on a PC and on an old Powerbook at home, 
> > though I can't say I use it every day (or even every week or month,> > for that matter).  I have my doubts that Ogg Theora will become the de> > facto standard; I mean, look at Ogg Vorbis.  How many of you (reading 
> > this) even know what Ogg Vorbis is?> >> > You're perhaps right, however, about one format or another becoming> > the de facto standard in the future.  Look at what happened with 
> > Flash; now you'll find it installed in nearly every browser out there.> > And though I admire your idealism about Ogg and its future, which> > format do you think is the *current* de facto standard? 
> >> > Thanks for your feedback,> > Harold> >> > On 4/4/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > >  Hello,> > >> > > I think the only way to really make all (or most) browsers support one> > > standard video format is to force them.
> > >> > > Basically, we do this by making a single video format the defacto > standard.> > > In other words, all of us vloggers just start using one video format,> and
> > > eventually, the browser makers will feel compelled to support that> format.> > >> > > Now, this doesn't mean that we don't support other formats.  It just> means
> > > that as a baseline we always support that one video format.> > >> > > (My vote is for Ogg Theora to be the defacto standard for the reasons I > > > previously mentioned.)
> > >> > >> > > If you want an example of this working Just look at RSS.  It's now> being> > > supported by all the browsers because it was a defacto standard.   
I.e.,> the> > > browsers added support for RSS because everyone was using it.> > >> > >> > > See ya> > >> > >> > > On 4/4/06, Harold Johnson < 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > I wish there was a format that played great online on most browsers 
> (which> > > would still be IE, unfortunately) and played just as well on the video> iPod> > > and the Creative Zen Vision:M device...> > > >> > > >
> > > > Harold> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > On 4/4/06, Enric <
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > 3ivx creates mp4 with AAC that's compatible with quicktime 6 & 7,> iPod> > > > > and I suspect also the PSP player.  It also looks quite good with
> dual> > > > > pass encoding.> > > > >> > > > >   -- Enric> > > > >   -==-> > > > >   
http://www.cirne.com > > > > >> > > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
, "Harold Johnson" > > > > >> > > > > < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks for your response, Enric.  How in particular do you fing
> 3ivx> > 

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Best Overal Digital Video Format

[Charles Iliya Krempeaux]

Hello,Or you could suggest to your uses that they install VideoLAN -- http://www.videolan.org/(VideoLan supports playing Ogg Theora, as well as almost every other video format.)
(There actually already seems to be quite a large install base for this already.  So there's probably more people who can watch Ogg Theora movies than you expect.)See ya
On 4/4/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hello Harold,Just another point (that I forgot to mention before).  If you want to support Ogg Theora video, but are worried that browsers won't support it, you could always use the Free and open source applet that plays it.  You can get more info here:
Cortadohttp://www.flumotion.net/cortado/(It's akin to the Flash video player people are using.  But works with Ogg Theora.)
See yaOn 4/4/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hello,If you implement the MPEG4 standard then you have to pay someone a "tax" to use it.  Specifically, you have to pay these guys:


http://www.mpegla.com/MPEG4 is NOT an "open standard".See yaOn 4/4/06, 
Harold Johnson <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't MPEG4 an open source format?  Or is
that open standard?  (Or both?)HaroldOn 4/4/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:>  Hello,>> Currently, I don't think there is one defacto standard video format.
> There's a whole set of formats that are currently being used:>> MPEG> WMV> QuickTime (.mov)> M4V (iPod)> MP4 (MPEG4)> FLV (Flash Video)> RM (Real Media)


> Xivd> Ogg Theora> Most vlogs I go to regularly support around 4 of these formats.>> Everyone seems to be trying to support as much as possible to get the widest> possible audience.

>> Honestly, I think it's early enough in the game where we can influence and> perhaps even determine which format will become the defacto standard.>> As soon as you get enough browsers/players reading it, and get enough free
> (and maybe non-free) vlog hosting providers producing it, it will become the> defacto standard. See ya>> On 4/4/06, Harold Johnson <


[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > Charles,> >> > This is the first I've heard of Ogg Theora, and I am *into* open> > source; that is, I run Linux on a PC and on an old Powerbook at home,
> > though I can't say I use it every day (or even every week or month,> > for that matter).  I have my doubts that Ogg Theora will become the de> > facto standard; I mean, look at Ogg Vorbis.  How many of you (reading
> > this) even know what Ogg Vorbis is?> >> > You're perhaps right, however, about one format or another becoming> > the de facto standard in the future.  Look at what happened with
> > Flash; now you'll find it installed in nearly every browser out there.> > And though I admire your idealism about Ogg and its future, which> > format do you think is the *current* de facto standard?
> >> > Thanks for your feedback,> > Harold> >> > On 4/4/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <

[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >  Hello,> > >> > > I think the only way to really make all (or most) browsers support one> > > standard video format is to force them.> > >> > > Basically, we do this by making a single video format the defacto
> standard.> > > In other words, all of us vloggers just start using one video format,> and> > > eventually, the browser makers will feel compelled to support that> format.


> > >> > > Now, this doesn't mean that we don't support other formats.  It just> means> > > that as a baseline we always support that one video format.> > >> > > (My vote is for Ogg Theora to be the defacto standard for the reasons I
> > > previously mentioned.)> > >> > >> > > If you want an example of this working Just look at RSS.  It's now> being> > > supported by all the browsers because it was a defacto standard.  
I.e.,> the> > > browsers added support for RSS because everyone was using it.> > >> > >> > > See ya> > >> > >> > > On 4/4/06, Harold Johnson < 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > I wish there was a format that played great online on most browsers

> (which> > > would still be IE, unfortunately) and played just as well on the video> iPod> > > and the Creative Zen Vision:M device...> > > >> > > >


> > > > Harold> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > On 4/4/06, Enric <

[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > > > >
> > > > > 3ivx creates mp4 with AAC that's compatible with quicktime 6 & 7,> iPod> > > > > and I suspect also the PSP player.  It also looks quite good with> dual


> > > > > pass encoding.> > > > >> > > > >   -- Enric> > > > >   -==-> > > > >   

http://www.cirne.com
> > > > >> > > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Harold Johnson"
> > > > >> > > > > <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks for your response, Enric.  How in particular do you fing> 3ivx> > > > > > fits the criteria?
> > > > > >> > > > > > Harold> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > On 4/4/06, Enric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > > > > > >  3ivx...though I haven't tried iton PSP, it fits the other
> criteria

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Best Overal Digital Video Format

[Charles Iliya Krempeaux]

Hello,If you implement the MPEG4 standard then you have to pay someone a "tax" to use it.  Specifically, you have to pay these guys:
http://www.mpegla.com/MPEG4 is NOT an "open standard".See yaOn 4/4/06, Harold Johnson <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't MPEG4 an open source format?  Or is
that open standard?  (Or both?)HaroldOn 4/4/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>  Hello,>> Currently, I don't think there is one defacto standard video format.
> There's a whole set of formats that are currently being used:>> MPEG> WMV> QuickTime (.mov)> M4V (iPod)> MP4 (MPEG4)> FLV (Flash Video)> RM (Real Media)
> Xivd> Ogg Theora> Most vlogs I go to regularly support around 4 of these formats.>> Everyone seems to be trying to support as much as possible to get the widest> possible audience.
>> Honestly, I think it's early enough in the game where we can influence and> perhaps even determine which format will become the defacto standard.>> As soon as you get enough browsers/players reading it, and get enough free
> (and maybe non-free) vlog hosting providers producing it, it will become the> defacto standard. See ya>> On 4/4/06, Harold Johnson <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > Charles,> >> > This is the first I've heard of Ogg Theora, and I am *into* open> > source; that is, I run Linux on a PC and on an old Powerbook at home,
> > though I can't say I use it every day (or even every week or month,> > for that matter).  I have my doubts that Ogg Theora will become the de> > facto standard; I mean, look at Ogg Vorbis.  How many of you (reading
> > this) even know what Ogg Vorbis is?> >> > You're perhaps right, however, about one format or another becoming> > the de facto standard in the future.  Look at what happened with
> > Flash; now you'll find it installed in nearly every browser out there.> > And though I admire your idealism about Ogg and its future, which> > format do you think is the *current* de facto standard?
> >> > Thanks for your feedback,> > Harold> >> > On 4/4/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >  Hello,> > >> > > I think the only way to really make all (or most) browsers support one> > > standard video format is to force them.> > >> > > Basically, we do this by making a single video format the defacto
> standard.> > > In other words, all of us vloggers just start using one video format,> and> > > eventually, the browser makers will feel compelled to support that> format.
> > >> > > Now, this doesn't mean that we don't support other formats.  It just> means> > > that as a baseline we always support that one video format.> > >> > > (My vote is for Ogg Theora to be the defacto standard for the reasons I
> > > previously mentioned.)> > >> > >> > > If you want an example of this working Just look at RSS.  It's now> being> > > supported by all the browsers because it was a defacto standard.  
I.e.,> the> > > browsers added support for RSS because everyone was using it.> > >> > >> > > See ya> > >> > >> > > On 4/4/06, Harold Johnson < 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > I wish there was a format that played great online on most browsers
> (which> > > would still be IE, unfortunately) and played just as well on the video> iPod> > > and the Creative Zen Vision:M device...> > > >> > > >
> > > > Harold> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > On 4/4/06, Enric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > > > >
> > > > > 3ivx creates mp4 with AAC that's compatible with quicktime 6 & 7,> iPod> > > > > and I suspect also the PSP player.  It also looks quite good with> dual
> > > > > pass encoding.> > > > >> > > > >   -- Enric> > > > >   -==-> > > > >   http://www.cirne.com
> > > > >> > > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Harold Johnson"> > > > >> > > > > <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks for your response, Enric.  How in particular do you fing> 3ivx> > > > > > fits the criteria?
> > > > > >> > > > > > Harold> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > On 4/4/06, Enric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > > > > > >  3ivx...though I haven't tried iton PSP, it fits the other
> criteria.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >-- Enric> > > > > > >> > > > > > >  --- In 
videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Van Dijck"> > > > > > >> > > > > > >   wrote:> > > > > > >  >> > > > > > >  > I want an answer too. I suspect it's a certain encoding for
> mp4.> > > > > > >  Something> > > > > > >  > that plays on older quicktime installs. And on the video iPod> > > (and> > > > > > >  the PSP
> > > > > > >  > if possible).> > > > > > >  >> > > > > > >  > Peter> > > > > > >  >> > > > > > >  > On 4/4/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux  wrote:
> > > > > > >  > >> > > > > > >  > >  Hello,> > > > > > >  > >> > > > > > >  > > IMO, it's Ogg Theora.
> > > > > > >  > >> > > > > > >  > > You can see why here:> > > > > > >  > >> > > > > > >> > >
> http://maketelevision.com/log/why_ogg_theora_matters_for_internet_tv> > > > > > >  > >> > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > >  > > See ya> > > > > > > 

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Best Overal Digital Video Format

[Charles Iliya Krempeaux]

Hello Harold,Just another point (that I forgot to mention before).  If you want to support Ogg Theora video, but are worried that browsers won't support it, you could always use the Free and open source applet that plays it.  You can get more info here:
Cortadohttp://www.flumotion.net/cortado/(It's akin to the Flash video player people are using.  But works with Ogg Theora.)
See yaOn 4/4/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hello,If you implement the MPEG4 standard then you have to pay someone a "tax" to use it.  Specifically, you have to pay these guys:

http://www.mpegla.com/MPEG4 is NOT an "open standard".See yaOn 4/4/06, 
Harold Johnson <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't MPEG4 an open source format?  Or is
that open standard?  (Or both?)HaroldOn 4/4/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:>  Hello,>> Currently, I don't think there is one defacto standard video format.
> There's a whole set of formats that are currently being used:>> MPEG> WMV> QuickTime (.mov)> M4V (iPod)> MP4 (MPEG4)> FLV (Flash Video)> RM (Real Media)

> Xivd> Ogg Theora> Most vlogs I go to regularly support around 4 of these formats.>> Everyone seems to be trying to support as much as possible to get the widest> possible audience.

>> Honestly, I think it's early enough in the game where we can influence and> perhaps even determine which format will become the defacto standard.>> As soon as you get enough browsers/players reading it, and get enough free
> (and maybe non-free) vlog hosting providers producing it, it will become the> defacto standard. See ya>> On 4/4/06, Harold Johnson <

[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > Charles,> >> > This is the first I've heard of Ogg Theora, and I am *into* open> > source; that is, I run Linux on a PC and on an old Powerbook at home,
> > though I can't say I use it every day (or even every week or month,> > for that matter).  I have my doubts that Ogg Theora will become the de> > facto standard; I mean, look at Ogg Vorbis.  How many of you (reading
> > this) even know what Ogg Vorbis is?> >> > You're perhaps right, however, about one format or another becoming> > the de facto standard in the future.  Look at what happened with
> > Flash; now you'll find it installed in nearly every browser out there.> > And though I admire your idealism about Ogg and its future, which> > format do you think is the *current* de facto standard?
> >> > Thanks for your feedback,> > Harold> >> > On 4/4/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >  Hello,> > >> > > I think the only way to really make all (or most) browsers support one> > > standard video format is to force them.> > >> > > Basically, we do this by making a single video format the defacto
> standard.> > > In other words, all of us vloggers just start using one video format,> and> > > eventually, the browser makers will feel compelled to support that> format.

> > >> > > Now, this doesn't mean that we don't support other formats.  It just> means> > > that as a baseline we always support that one video format.> > >> > > (My vote is for Ogg Theora to be the defacto standard for the reasons I
> > > previously mentioned.)> > >> > >> > > If you want an example of this working Just look at RSS.  It's now> being> > > supported by all the browsers because it was a defacto standard.  
I.e.,> the> > > browsers added support for RSS because everyone was using it.> > >> > >> > > See ya> > >> > >> > > On 4/4/06, Harold Johnson < 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > I wish there was a format that played great online on most browsers

> (which> > > would still be IE, unfortunately) and played just as well on the video> iPod> > > and the Creative Zen Vision:M device...> > > >> > > >

> > > > Harold> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > On 4/4/06, Enric <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > > > >
> > > > > 3ivx creates mp4 with AAC that's compatible with quicktime 6 & 7,> iPod> > > > > and I suspect also the PSP player.  It also looks quite good with> dual

> > > > > pass encoding.> > > > >> > > > >   -- Enric> > > > >   -==-> > > > >   
http://www.cirne.com
> > > > >> > > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Harold Johnson"
> > > > >> > > > > <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks for your response, Enric.  How in particular do you fing> 3ivx> > > > > > fits the criteria?
> > > > > >> > > > > > Harold> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > On 4/4/06, Enric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > > > > > >  3ivx...though I haven't tried iton PSP, it fits the other
> criteria.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >-- Enric> > > > > > >> > > > > > >  --- In 

videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Van Dijck"> > > > > > >> > > > > > >   wrote:> > > > > > >  >> > > > > > >  > I want an answer too. I suspect it's a certain encoding for
> mp4.> > > > > > >  Something> > > > > > >  > that plays on older quicktime installs. And on the video iPod> > > (and> > > > > > >  the PSP
> > > > > > >  > if possibl

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Best Overal Digital Video Format

[Harold Johnson]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't MPEG4 an open source format?  Or is
that open standard?  (Or both?)

Harold

On 4/4/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  Hello,
>
> Currently, I don't think there is one defacto standard video format.
> There's a whole set of formats that are currently being used:
>
> MPEG
> WMV
> QuickTime (.mov)
> M4V (iPod)
> MP4 (MPEG4)
> FLV (Flash Video)
> RM (Real Media)
> Xivd
> Ogg Theora
> Most vlogs I go to regularly support around 4 of these formats.
>
> Everyone seems to be trying to support as much as possible to get the widest
> possible audience.
>
> Honestly, I think it's early enough in the game where we can influence and
> perhaps even determine which format will become the defacto standard.
>
> As soon as you get enough browsers/players reading it, and get enough free
> (and maybe non-free) vlog hosting providers producing it, it will become the
> defacto standard.
>
>
>
> See ya
>
> On 4/4/06, Harold Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Charles,
> >
> > This is the first I've heard of Ogg Theora, and I am *into* open
> > source; that is, I run Linux on a PC and on an old Powerbook at home,
> > though I can't say I use it every day (or even every week or month,
> > for that matter).  I have my doubts that Ogg Theora will become the de
> > facto standard; I mean, look at Ogg Vorbis.  How many of you (reading
> > this) even know what Ogg Vorbis is?
> >
> > You're perhaps right, however, about one format or another becoming
> > the de facto standard in the future.  Look at what happened with
> > Flash; now you'll find it installed in nearly every browser out there.
> > And though I admire your idealism about Ogg and its future, which
> > format do you think is the *current* de facto standard?
> >
> > Thanks for your feedback,
> > Harold
> >
> > On 4/4/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >  Hello,
> > >
> > > I think the only way to really make all (or most) browsers support one
> > > standard video format is to force them.
> > >
> > > Basically, we do this by making a single video format the defacto
> standard.
> > > In other words, all of us vloggers just start using one video format,
> and
> > > eventually, the browser makers will feel compelled to support that
> format.
> > >
> > > Now, this doesn't mean that we don't support other formats.  It just
> means
> > > that as a baseline we always support that one video format.
> > >
> > > (My vote is for Ogg Theora to be the defacto standard for the reasons I
> > > previously mentioned.)
> > >
> > >
> > > If you want an example of this working Just look at RSS.  It's now
> being
> > > supported by all the browsers because it was a defacto standard.  I.e.,
> the
> > > browsers added support for RSS because everyone was using it.
> > >
> > >
> > > See ya
> > >
> > >
> > > On 4/4/06, Harold Johnson < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I wish there was a format that played great online on most browsers
> (which
> > > would still be IE, unfortunately) and played just as well on the video
> iPod
> > > and the Creative Zen Vision:M device...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Harold
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 4/4/06, Enric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 3ivx creates mp4 with AAC that's compatible with quicktime 6 & 7,
> iPod
> > > > > and I suspect also the PSP player.  It also looks quite good with
> dual
> > > > > pass encoding.
> > > > >
> > > > >   -- Enric
> > > > >   -==-
> > > > >   http://www.cirne.com
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Harold Johnson"
> > > > >
> > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for your response, Enric.  How in particular do you fing
> 3ivx
> > > > > > fits the criteria?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Harold
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > On 4/4/06, Enric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > >  3ivx...though I haven't tried iton PSP, it fits the other
> criteria.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >-- Enric
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Van Dijck"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >   wrote:
> > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > >  > I want an answer too. I suspect it's a certain encoding for
> mp4.
> > > > > > >  Something
> > > > > > >  > that plays on older quicktime installs. And on the video iPod
> > > (and
> > > > > > >  the PSP
> > > > > > >  > if possible).
> > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > >  > Peter
> > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > >  > On 4/4/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux  wrote:
> > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > >  > >  Hello,
> > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > >  > > IMO, it's Ogg Theora.
> > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > >  > > You can see why here:
> > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > >
> > >
> http://maketelevision.com/log/why_ogg_theora_matters_for_internet_tv
> > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > >  > > See ya
> > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > >  > > On 4/3/06, Harold Johnson < harold.johnson@> wrote:
> > > > > > >  > > >
> > > >

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Best Overal Digital Video Format

[Charles Iliya Krempeaux]

Hello,Currently, I don't think there is one defacto standard video format.  There's a whole set of formats that are currently being used:MPEGWMVQuickTime (.mov)
M4V (iPod)MP4 (MPEG4)FLV (Flash Video)RM (Real Media)XivdOgg TheoraMost vlogs I go to regularly support around 4 of these formats.Everyone seems to be trying to support as much as possible to get the widest possible audience.
Honestly, I think it's early enough in the game where we can influence and perhaps even determine which format will become the defacto standard.As soon as you get enough browsers/players reading it, and get enough free (and maybe non-free) vlog hosting providers producing it, it will become the defacto standard.
See yaOn 4/4/06, Harold Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Charles,This is the first I've heard of Ogg Theora, and I am *into* opensource; that is, I run Linux on a PC and on an old Powerbook at home,though I can't say I use it every day (or even every week or month,
for that matter).  I have my doubts that Ogg Theora will become the defacto standard; I mean, look at Ogg Vorbis.  How many of you (readingthis) even know what Ogg Vorbis is?You're perhaps right, however, about one format or another becoming
the de facto standard in the future.  Look at what happened withFlash; now you'll find it installed in nearly every browser out there. And though I admire your idealism about Ogg and its future, whichformat do you think is the *current* de facto standard?
Thanks for your feedback,HaroldOn 4/4/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>  Hello,>> I think the only way to really make all (or most) browsers support one
> standard video format is to force them.>> Basically, we do this by making a single video format the defacto standard.> In other words, all of us vloggers just start using one video format, and
> eventually, the browser makers will feel compelled to support that format.>> Now, this doesn't mean that we don't support other formats.  It just means> that as a baseline we always support that one video format.
>> (My vote is for Ogg Theora to be the defacto standard for the reasons I> previously mentioned.)>>> If you want an example of this working Just look at RSS.  It's now being
> supported by all the browsers because it was a defacto standard.  I.e., the> browsers added support for RSS because everyone was using it.>>> See ya>>> On 4/4/06, Harold Johnson < 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> >> >> > I wish there was a format that played great online on most browsers (which> would still be IE, unfortunately) and played just as well on the video iPod
> and the Creative Zen Vision:M device...> >> >> > Harold> >> >> >> > On 4/4/06, Enric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> > > 3ivx creates mp4 with AAC that's compatible with quicktime 6 & 7, iPod> > > and I suspect also the PSP player.  It also looks quite good with dual> > > pass encoding.
> > >> > >   -- Enric> > >   -==-> > >   http://www.cirne.com> > >> > > --- In 
videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Harold Johnson"> > >> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > > >> > > > Thanks for your response, Enric.  How in particular do you fing 3ivx
> > > > fits the criteria?> > > >> > > > Harold> > > >> > >> > > > On 4/4/06, Enric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > > > >  3ivx...though I haven't tried iton PSP, it fits the other criteria.
> > > > >> > > > >-- Enric> > > > >> > > > >  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Van Dijck"
> > > > >> > > > >   wrote:> > > > >  >> > > > >  > I want an answer too. I suspect it's a certain encoding for mp4.
> > > > >  Something> > > > >  > that plays on older quicktime installs. And on the video iPod> (and> > > > >  the PSP> > > > >  > if possible).
> > > > >  >> > > > >  > Peter> > > > >  >> > > > >  > On 4/4/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux  wrote:> > > > >  > >
> > > > >  > >  Hello,> > > > >  > >> > > > >  > > IMO, it's Ogg Theora.> > > > >  > >> > > > >  > > You can see why here:
> > > > >  > >> > > > >> http://maketelevision.com/log/why_ogg_theora_matters_for_internet_tv
> > > > >  > >> > > > >  > >> > > > >  > > See ya> > > > >  > >> > > > >  > >> > > > >  > > On 4/3/06, Harold Johnson < 
harold.johnson@> wrote:> > > > >  > > >> > > > >  > > >  Okay, I suspect this one has probably been debated a> gazillion> > > > >  > > > mazillion times, but I'm going to introduce the topic
> > > anyway: At> > > > >  this point> > > > >  > > > in time, what do you think is the best overall digital video> > > > >  format for> > > > >  > > > videoblogging?
> > > > >  > > >> > > > >  > > > thanks,> > > > >  > > >> > > > >  > > > Harold [...]
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Best Overal Digital Video Format

[Harold Johnson]

I wish to also add that this is very exciting news to me, learning
about Ogg Theora.  I'll definitely keep this in mind; but right now,
I'm interested in learning what everyone here feels is the current
overall best video format for videoblogging...

Sincerely,
Harold

On 4/4/06, Harold Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Charles,
>
> This is the first I've heard of Ogg Theora, and I am *into* open
> source; that is, I run Linux on a PC and on an old Powerbook at home,
> though I can't say I use it every day (or even every week or month,
> for that matter).  I have my doubts that Ogg Theora will become the de
> facto standard; I mean, look at Ogg Vorbis.  How many of you (reading
> this) even know what Ogg Vorbis is?
>
> You're perhaps right, however, about one format or another becoming
> the de facto standard in the future.  Look at what happened with
> Flash; now you'll find it installed in nearly every browser out there.
>  And though I admire your idealism about Ogg and its future, which
> format do you think is the *current* de facto standard?
>
> Thanks for your feedback,
> Harold
>
> On 4/4/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >  Hello,
> >
> > I think the only way to really make all (or most) browsers support one
> > standard video format is to force them.
> >
> > Basically, we do this by making a single video format the defacto standard.
> > In other words, all of us vloggers just start using one video format, and
> > eventually, the browser makers will feel compelled to support that format.
> >
> > Now, this doesn't mean that we don't support other formats.  It just means
> > that as a baseline we always support that one video format.
> >
> > (My vote is for Ogg Theora to be the defacto standard for the reasons I
> > previously mentioned.)
> >
> >
> > If you want an example of this working Just look at RSS.  It's now being
> > supported by all the browsers because it was a defacto standard.  I.e., the
> > browsers added support for RSS because everyone was using it.
> >
> >
> > See ya
> >
> >
> > On 4/4/06, Harold Johnson < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > I wish there was a format that played great online on most browsers (which
> > would still be IE, unfortunately) and played just as well on the video iPod
> > and the Creative Zen Vision:M device...
> > >
> > >
> > > Harold
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 4/4/06, Enric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 3ivx creates mp4 with AAC that's compatible with quicktime 6 & 7, iPod
> > > > and I suspect also the PSP player.  It also looks quite good with dual
> > > > pass encoding.
> > > >
> > > >   -- Enric
> > > >   -==-
> > > >   http://www.cirne.com
> > > >
> > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Harold Johnson"
> > > >
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for your response, Enric.  How in particular do you fing 3ivx
> > > > > fits the criteria?
> > > > >
> > > > > Harold
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On 4/4/06, Enric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > >  3ivx...though I haven't tried iton PSP, it fits the other criteria.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >-- Enric
> > > > > >
> > > > > >  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Van Dijck"
> > > > > >
> > > > > >   wrote:
> > > > > >  >
> > > > > >  > I want an answer too. I suspect it's a certain encoding for mp4.
> > > > > >  Something
> > > > > >  > that plays on older quicktime installs. And on the video iPod
> > (and
> > > > > >  the PSP
> > > > > >  > if possible).
> > > > > >  >
> > > > > >  > Peter
> > > > > >  >
> > > > > >  > On 4/4/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux  wrote:
> > > > > >  > >
> > > > > >  > >  Hello,
> > > > > >  > >
> > > > > >  > > IMO, it's Ogg Theora.
> > > > > >  > >
> > > > > >  > > You can see why here:
> > > > > >  > >
> > > > > >
> > http://maketelevision.com/log/why_ogg_theora_matters_for_internet_tv
> > > > > >  > >
> > > > > >  > >
> > > > > >  > > See ya
> > > > > >  > >
> > > > > >  > >
> > > > > >  > > On 4/3/06, Harold Johnson < harold.johnson@> wrote:
> > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > >  > > >  Okay, I suspect this one has probably been debated a
> > gazillion
> > > > > >  > > > mazillion times, but I'm going to introduce the topic
> > > > anyway: At
> > > > > >  this point
> > > > > >  > > > in time, what do you think is the best overall digital video
> > > > > >  format for
> > > > > >  > > > videoblogging?
> > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > >  > > > thanks,
> > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > >  > > > Harold
> > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > >  > >
> > > > > >  > >
> > > > > >  > >
> > > > > >  > > --
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> > > > > >  > >
> > > > > >  > > charles @ reptile.ca
> > > > > >  > > supercanadian @ gmail.com
> > > > > >  > >
> > > > > >  > > developer weblog: http://ChangeLog.ca/
> > > > > >  > >
> > > > > >  > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Best Overal Digital Video Format

[Harold Johnson]

Charles,

This is the first I've heard of Ogg Theora, and I am *into* open
source; that is, I run Linux on a PC and on an old Powerbook at home,
though I can't say I use it every day (or even every week or month,
for that matter).  I have my doubts that Ogg Theora will become the de
facto standard; I mean, look at Ogg Vorbis.  How many of you (reading
this) even know what Ogg Vorbis is?

You're perhaps right, however, about one format or another becoming
the de facto standard in the future.  Look at what happened with
Flash; now you'll find it installed in nearly every browser out there.
 And though I admire your idealism about Ogg and its future, which
format do you think is the *current* de facto standard?

Thanks for your feedback,
Harold

On 4/4/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  Hello,
>
> I think the only way to really make all (or most) browsers support one
> standard video format is to force them.
>
> Basically, we do this by making a single video format the defacto standard.
> In other words, all of us vloggers just start using one video format, and
> eventually, the browser makers will feel compelled to support that format.
>
> Now, this doesn't mean that we don't support other formats.  It just means
> that as a baseline we always support that one video format.
>
> (My vote is for Ogg Theora to be the defacto standard for the reasons I
> previously mentioned.)
>
>
> If you want an example of this working Just look at RSS.  It's now being
> supported by all the browsers because it was a defacto standard.  I.e., the
> browsers added support for RSS because everyone was using it.
>
>
> See ya
>
>
> On 4/4/06, Harold Johnson < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I wish there was a format that played great online on most browsers (which
> would still be IE, unfortunately) and played just as well on the video iPod
> and the Creative Zen Vision:M device...
> >
> >
> > Harold
> >
> >
> >
> > On 4/4/06, Enric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > 3ivx creates mp4 with AAC that's compatible with quicktime 6 & 7, iPod
> > > and I suspect also the PSP player.  It also looks quite good with dual
> > > pass encoding.
> > >
> > >   -- Enric
> > >   -==-
> > >   http://www.cirne.com
> > >
> > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Harold Johnson"
> > >
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for your response, Enric.  How in particular do you fing 3ivx
> > > > fits the criteria?
> > > >
> > > > Harold
> > > >
> > >
> > > > On 4/4/06, Enric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >  3ivx...though I haven't tried iton PSP, it fits the other criteria.
> > > > >
> > > > >-- Enric
> > > > >
> > > > >  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Van Dijck"
> > > > >
> > > > >   wrote:
> > > > >  >
> > > > >  > I want an answer too. I suspect it's a certain encoding for mp4.
> > > > >  Something
> > > > >  > that plays on older quicktime installs. And on the video iPod
> (and
> > > > >  the PSP
> > > > >  > if possible).
> > > > >  >
> > > > >  > Peter
> > > > >  >
> > > > >  > On 4/4/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux  wrote:
> > > > >  > >
> > > > >  > >  Hello,
> > > > >  > >
> > > > >  > > IMO, it's Ogg Theora.
> > > > >  > >
> > > > >  > > You can see why here:
> > > > >  > >
> > > > >
> http://maketelevision.com/log/why_ogg_theora_matters_for_internet_tv
> > > > >  > >
> > > > >  > >
> > > > >  > > See ya
> > > > >  > >
> > > > >  > >
> > > > >  > > On 4/3/06, Harold Johnson < harold.johnson@> wrote:
> > > > >  > > >
> > > > >  > > >  Okay, I suspect this one has probably been debated a
> gazillion
> > > > >  > > > mazillion times, but I'm going to introduce the topic
> > > anyway: At
> > > > >  this point
> > > > >  > > > in time, what do you think is the best overall digital video
> > > > >  format for
> > > > >  > > > videoblogging?
> > > > >  > > >
> > > > >  > > > thanks,
> > > > >  > > >
> > > > >  > > > Harold
> > > > >  > > >
> > > > >  > >
> > > > >  > >
> > > > >  > >
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Best Overal Digital Video Format

[Charles Iliya Krempeaux]

Hello,I think the only way to really make all (or most) browsers support one standard video format is to force them.Basically, we do this by making a single video format the 
defacto standard.  In other words, all of us vloggers just start using one video format, and eventually, the browser makers will feel compelled to support that format.Now, this doesn't mean that we don't support other formats.  It just means that as a 
baseline we always support that one video format.(My vote is for Ogg Theora to be the defacto standard for the reasons I previously mentioned.)If you want an example of this working Just look at RSS.  It's now being supported by all the browsers because it was a defacto standard.  
I.e., the browsers added support for RSS because everyone was using it.See yaOn 4/4/06, Harold Johnson <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I wish there was a format that played great online on most browsers (which would still be IE, unfortunately) and played just as well on the video iPod and the Creative Zen Vision:M device...

 
Harold 
On 4/4/06, Enric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


3ivx creates mp4 with AAC that's compatible with quicktime 6 & 7, iPodand I suspect also the PSP player.  It also looks quite good with dualpass encoding.  -- Enric

  -==-  http://www.cirne.com--- In 

videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Harold Johnson"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> Thanks for your response, Enric.  How in particular do you fing 3ivx> fits the criteria?> > Harold
> 
> On 4/4/06, Enric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> >  3ivx...though I haven't tried iton PSP, it fits the other criteria.> >> >    -- Enric
> >> >  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Van Dijck"> >
> >   wrote:> >  >> >  > I want an answer too. I suspect it's a certain encoding for mp4.> >  Something> >  > that plays on older quicktime installs. And on the video iPod (and
> >  the PSP> >  > if possible).> >  >> >  > Peter> >  >> >  > On 4/4/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux  wrote:> >  > >
> >  > >  Hello,> >  > >> >  > > IMO, it's Ogg Theora.> >  > >> >  > > You can see why here:> >  > >> > 

http://maketelevision.com/log/why_ogg_theora_matters_for_internet_tv> >  > >> >  > >> >  > > See ya> >  > >> >  > >> >  > > On 4/3/06, Harold Johnson <
harold.johnson@> wrote:> >  > > >> >  > > >  Okay, I suspect this one has probably been debated a gazillion> >  > > > mazillion times, but I'm going to introduce the topic
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Best Overal Digital Video Format

[Harold Johnson]

I wish there was a format that played great online on most browsers (which would still be IE, unfortunately) and played just as well on the video iPod and the Creative Zen Vision:M device...
 
Harold 
On 4/4/06, Enric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

3ivx creates mp4 with AAC that's compatible with quicktime 6 & 7, iPodand I suspect also the PSP player.  It also looks quite good with dualpass encoding.  -- Enric
  -==-  http://www.cirne.com--- In 
videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Harold Johnson"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> Thanks for your response, Enric.  How in particular do you fing 3ivx> fits the criteria?> > Harold
> 
> On 4/4/06, Enric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> >  3ivx...though I haven't tried iton PSP, it fits the other criteria.> >> >    -- Enric
> >> >  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Van Dijck"> >
> >   wrote:> >  >> >  > I want an answer too. I suspect it's a certain encoding for mp4.> >  Something> >  > that plays on older quicktime installs. And on the video iPod (and
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[videoblogging] Re: Best Overal Digital Video Format

[Enric]

3ivx creates mp4 with AAC that's compatible with quicktime 6 & 7, iPod
and I suspect also the PSP player.  It also looks quite good with dual
pass encoding.

  -- Enric
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--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Harold Johnson"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Thanks for your response, Enric.  How in particular do you fing 3ivx
> fits the criteria?
> 
> Harold
> 
> On 4/4/06, Enric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >  3ivx...though I haven't tried iton PSP, it fits the other criteria.
> >
> >-- Enric
> >
> >  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Van Dijck"
> >
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> >  >
> >  > I want an answer too. I suspect it's a certain encoding for mp4.
> >  Something
> >  > that plays on older quicktime installs. And on the video iPod (and
> >  the PSP
> >  > if possible).
> >  >
> >  > Peter
> >  >
> >  > On 4/4/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux  wrote:
> >  > >
> >  > >  Hello,
> >  > >
> >  > > IMO, it's Ogg Theora.
> >  > >
> >  > > You can see why here:
> >  > >
> > http://maketelevision.com/log/why_ogg_theora_matters_for_internet_tv
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> >  > > On 4/3/06, Harold Johnson  wrote:
> >  > > >
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> >  > > > in time, what do you think is the best overall digital video
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> >  > > > videoblogging?
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> >  > > >
> >  > > > Harold
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Best Overal Digital Video Format

[Harold Johnson]

Thanks for your response, Enric.  How in particular do you fing 3ivx
fits the criteria?

Harold

On 4/4/06, Enric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  3ivx...though I haven't tried iton PSP, it fits the other criteria.
>
>-- Enric
>
>  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Van Dijck"
>
>  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  >
>  > I want an answer too. I suspect it's a certain encoding for mp4.
>  Something
>  > that plays on older quicktime installs. And on the video iPod (and
>  the PSP
>  > if possible).
>  >
>  > Peter
>  >
>  > On 4/4/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > >
>  > >  Hello,
>  > >
>  > > IMO, it's Ogg Theora.
>  > >
>  > > You can see why here:
>  > >
> http://maketelevision.com/log/why_ogg_theora_matters_for_internet_tv
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > See ya
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > On 4/3/06, Harold Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > > >
>  > > >  Okay, I suspect this one has probably been debated a gazillion
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>  this point
>  > > > in time, what do you think is the best overall digital video
>  format for
>  > > > videoblogging?
>  > > >
>  > > > thanks,
>  > > >
>  > > > Harold
>  > > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > --
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>  > >
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[videoblogging] Re: Best Overal Digital Video Format

[gmjoyce_y]

Regarding 3ivx, does anyone know if you can't do quick start/fast 
streaming if you're doing a double-pass using 3ivx? I've tried it a 
couple of times now and it doesn't fast-start. My single pass, lower 
quality 3ivx encoded videos start up and play just fine. 

Is there a procedural trick I'm missing? It's not because of the 
larger file size of the higher quality, double-pass versions is it?

--Greg



--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Enric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 3ivx...though I haven't tried iton PSP, it fits the other criteria.
> 
>   -- Enric
> 
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Van Dijck"
>  wrote:
> >
> > I want an answer too. I suspect it's a certain encoding for mp4.
> Something
> > that plays on older quicktime installs. And on the video iPod (and
> the PSP
> > if possible).
> > 
> > Peter
> > 
> > On 4/4/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux  wrote:
> > >
> > >  Hello,
> > >
> > > IMO, it's Ogg Theora.
> > >
> > > You can see why here:
> > > 
http://maketelevision.com/log/why_ogg_theora_matters_for_internet_tv
> > >
> > >
> > > See ya
> > >
> > >
> > > On 4/3/06, Harold Johnson  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >  Okay, I suspect this one has probably been debated a 
gazillion
> > > > mazillion times, but I'm going to introduce the topic anyway: 
At
> this point
> > > > in time, what do you think is the best overall digital video
> format for
> > > > videoblogging?
> > > >
> > > > thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Harold
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
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> > >
> > > charles @ reptile.ca
> > > supercanadian @ gmail.com
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[videoblogging] Re: Best Overal Digital Video Format

[Enric]

3ivx...though I haven't tried iton PSP, it fits the other criteria.

  -- Enric

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Van Dijck"
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>
> I want an answer too. I suspect it's a certain encoding for mp4.
Something
> that plays on older quicktime installs. And on the video iPod (and
the PSP
> if possible).
> 
> Peter
> 
> On 4/4/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >  Hello,
> >
> > IMO, it's Ogg Theora.
> >
> > You can see why here:
> > http://maketelevision.com/log/why_ogg_theora_matters_for_internet_tv
> >
> >
> > See ya
> >
> >
> > On 4/3/06, Harold Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >  Okay, I suspect this one has probably been debated a gazillion
> > > mazillion times, but I'm going to introduce the topic anyway: At
this point
> > > in time, what do you think is the best overall digital video
format for
> > > videoblogging?
> > >
> > > thanks,
> > >
> > > Harold
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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