[videoblogging] re: Long and File Size: Revisiting the question
I find myself revisiting this question every time I post a large file to my vlog. How much is too much? At what point will you (personally, yourself, as a vlog watcher): 1) Stop downloading the file. 2) Stop watching the movie (how many minutes, assuming it's not too boring). Just curious about the answers-- someone recently said they wanted longer than 10-minute vlogs, because they wanted to really sit down and watch stuff, but I wonder about that. A 10 minute vlog is 30 MB, easily. A 40 minute vlog would be almost 100 MB? Is that worth your time, bandwidth, and download speed? Would it make more sense to stream instead? --Stephanie Stephanie Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vlog: http://mortaine.blogspot.com Audioblog: http://bookramble.blogspot.com Hi Stephanie and all,I have two limits: pacing and download/buffer times. 1) I typically stop watching when the video loses my attention. They have a slow pace visually or in delivering information. This is subjective. But typically mainstream media can hold my attention longer than newbie videos becuase mainstream media has a certain pace-- and I like it. Now whethermainstream programs can keep me watching for longer than five minutes is another thing.2) I also don't even start to watchvideos if it takes more than a minute to download/buffer UNLESS I know I want to see this video for some reason I read in the description. This is where format and file size come into play for me. I prefer streaming or progressive downloads, or small files (10mb) of wmv, mov, and mpg.I've spent 20 minutes watchign buffering, watching buffering, watching and buffering --just becuase Iwas riveted bythe content. But that downlaod/buffer time is a killer for most videos because the content doesn't grab me at video beginning.3) Another way to look at this is to ask your viewers what they want. If your viewers want more scenery, give it to them. I they want more info, give that to them. If they want your videos to share on their website-- make it possible. Listen to what they say abotu your videos or ask them for more detailed feedback.For example, drjoevitale.blogspot.com streams flv and is accessible to most people without problems BUT is the content worhty of 2 minutes, 3 minutes or 15 minutes? I know most viewers just a want a glimpse so I try to keep posts short, moving and fun. But I also have a a great lead person who is riveting when he talks, but he also typically talks more than I want timewise. His readers are his viewers and no one seems to mind. He's got their attention and they love him. But he were a slow talker or boring ons screen then I may have cut jumps everywhere to keep thethe pertinant info moving along. The longest video I have up on his site is 15 minutes and I did it to show the entire adjustment session in real time. I kept the camera moving to stimulate visual movement and of course the video is narrated in real time and there is also good natured bantering going on that I knew his audience would love.Nebelungs.blogspot I keep those videos very short short becuase they are in mov format. I also dont want to keep my audience wanting more. I dont want the audienceto ever fill up and get bored with watching Nona.My .02, NerissaNerissa Odenhttp://TheVideoQueen.comhttp://FreeMediaGuide.comhttp://FreeVideoCoding.comhttp://FreeVideoEditing.comhttp://Nebelungs.blogspot.comMy Groups:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videobloggingbusiness/http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/videowomen/* Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] re: Long and File Size: Revisiting the question
Nerissa, can you explain what you mean by progressive buffering? On 1/16/06, Nerissa (TheVideoQueen) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2) I also don't even start to watch videos if it takes more than a minute to download/buffer UNLESS I know I want to see this video for some reason I read in the description. This is where format and file size come into play for me. I prefer streaming or progressive downloads, or small files (10mb) of wmv, mov, and mpg. -- Stephanie Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vlog: http://mortaine.blogspot.com Audioblog: http://bookramble.blogspot.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Long and File Size: Revisiting the question
Well, I wouldn't say I just can't get enough of large files, I just don't really mind longer videos. Some people just make long videos, and if I enjoy them, I watch em! (yes, I'm looking at you, Mr. Richard Show.) After watching the Pan, I can see being on the train and enjoying the 15min...chapter markers would be nice on a portable device, but I also don't feel a need to have their Pan videos sent to me separately. There is something to be said for a curated show-- much like Liquid Television that used to be on MTV. (a compliation show of various animators) As time goes on, and Adam and Mica amass a large collection of original stuff, this could be a very fast-paced, entertaining 15min. You would just have to keep up with the shows before it ate your harddrive away. But that goes for my feeds in general...they always pile up. schlomo http://schlomolog.blogspot.com http://bayarea.node101.org --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, so now i'm wondering if those of us, like me, who prefer shorter videos are simply more vocal than others. Come on, there's got to be some people out there who love the longer videos and just can't get enough of the large files. -Josh On 1/16/06, Philip Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3 minutes doesn't seem like a long time for a video. until you've got 20 of them to watch. i'll take a 30-second video that's so rockin' i have to watch it three times in a row, over a three-minute one where i'm fast-forwarding going ok ok... i get it. disclaimer-- i am far from your typical vlog viewer. i'm on dialup and don't subscribe to any feeds. instead i visit sites individually and make download decisions based on the criteria of text description, file size, intriguing screenshot, and easy access to the .mov file (a few of you make this last one kind of difficult). anything over, say 15MB and i'll have to get back to you tomorrow... assuming i leave my modem on all night... and i remember it in the morning. even with my finite download capability i somehow still wind up with a backlog of unwatched vids. xo philip http://swordfight.org http://destroyhotaction.com On 16-Jan-06, at 5:00 AM, Markus Sandy wrote: i regularly download files in the 80-100Mb via fireant, although most are smaller. i tend to be less patient in the browser. if there is a feed, i'll use that instead if it makes sense. if not, i'll download it in the background. i generally multi-task and so rarely care how long the download takes. i prefer not to view vids in the browser, i prefer a sizable player like fireant. in general, i don't really care how big or how long a video is as long as the content is worth it (there is a limit of course, I'm not looking to download gigabyte files just yet). very few pieces of media can hold my full attention for 40 minutes anymore (especially movies and TV). i don't generally stop watching when it gets long, i usually just fast forward. if i do stop, i generally stop watching a video within the first 30 seconds. If it has not captured me by then (or if it's not from a friend perhaps), I delete it and move on to the next. again, size is not much of a factor here. while i constantly find great stuff, most videos fail to capture my attention these days (this is more of a statement about the increase in the number of videos, not a decrease in quality - there's just a lot more stuff out there these days) the main reason for stopping a download: i found something else I want sooner my download speed is usually in the 512Kb-1Mb range with no other limits (e.g., total downloads not limited). while this is not super fast, i would probably feel different (i.e., more selective) if I had slower access. i like streaming for the video conferences, but it does not seem to make much sense to me for vlogs (from a viewer standpoint, it stops and starts too much and it's usually hard to fast forward). hope that helps Stephanie Bryant wrote: I find myself revisiting this question every time I post a large file to my vlog. How much is too much? At what point will you (personally, yourself, as a vlog watcher): 1) Stop downloading the file. 2) Stop watching the movie (how many minutes, assuming it's not too boring). Just curious about the answers-- someone recently said they wanted longer than 10-minute vlogs, because they wanted to really sit down and watch stuff, but I wonder about that. A 10 minute vlog is 30 MB, easily. A 40 minute vlog would be almost 100 MB? Is that worth your time, bandwidth, and download speed? Would it make more sense to stream instead? --Stephanie -- Stephanie Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vlog: http://mortaine.blogspot.com Audioblog:
[videoblogging] Re: Long and File Size: Revisiting the question
For me size does not matter (in videos) However you got me mad if i have to download a 10 minute 50MB file showing some dork answering his email thru a vlog using the word whatever and like every 10 seconds. It is not the question do you like long or short video's for me it's more if the content is worth downloading. So people use TAGS!! or descriptions, a picture as a teaser will get me going too. just my 2..whatever Blips aka Klaas (he who is behind vlogmatic) --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I mean, in theory, if we're talking faster and fatter pipes, won't file size limitations be a thing of the past? -josh On 1/16/06, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, so now i'm wondering if those of us, like me, who prefer shorter videos are simply more vocal than others. Come on, there's got to be some people out there who love the longer videos and just can't get enough of the large files. -Josh On 1/16/06, Philip Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3 minutes doesn't seem like a long time for a video. until you've got 20 of them to watch. i'll take a 30-second video that's so rockin' i have to watch it three times in a row, over a three-minute one where i'm fast-forwarding going ok ok... i get it. disclaimer-- i am far from your typical vlog viewer. i'm on dialup and don't subscribe to any feeds. instead i visit sites individually and make download decisions based on the criteria of text description, file size, intriguing screenshot, and easy access to the .mov file (a few of you make this last one kind of difficult). anything over, say 15MB and i'll have to get back to you tomorrow... assuming i leave my modem on all night... and i remember it in the morning. even with my finite download capability i somehow still wind up with a backlog of unwatched vids. xo philip http://swordfight.org http://destroyhotaction.com On 16-Jan-06, at 5:00 AM, Markus Sandy wrote: i regularly download files in the 80-100Mb via fireant, although most are smaller. i tend to be less patient in the browser. if there is a feed, i'll use that instead if it makes sense. if not, i'll download it in the background. i generally multi-task and so rarely care how long the download takes. i prefer not to view vids in the browser, i prefer a sizable player like fireant. in general, i don't really care how big or how long a video is as long as the content is worth it (there is a limit of course, I'm not looking to download gigabyte files just yet). very few pieces of media can hold my full attention for 40 minutes anymore (especially movies and TV). i don't generally stop watching when it gets long, i usually just fast forward. if i do stop, i generally stop watching a video within the first 30 seconds. If it has not captured me by then (or if it's not from a friend perhaps), I delete it and move on to the next. again, size is not much of a factor here. while i constantly find great stuff, most videos fail to capture my attention these days (this is more of a statement about the increase in the number of videos, not a decrease in quality - there's just a lot more stuff out there these days) the main reason for stopping a download: i found something else I want sooner my download speed is usually in the 512Kb-1Mb range with no other limits (e.g., total downloads not limited). while this is not super fast, i would probably feel different (i.e., more selective) if I had slower access. i like streaming for the video conferences, but it does not seem to make much sense to me for vlogs (from a viewer standpoint, it stops and starts too much and it's usually hard to fast forward). hope that helps Stephanie Bryant wrote: I find myself revisiting this question every time I post a large file to my vlog. How much is too much? At what point will you (personally, yourself, as a vlog watcher): 1) Stop downloading the file. 2) Stop watching the movie (how many minutes, assuming it's not too boring). Just curious about the answers-- someone recently said they wanted longer than 10-minute vlogs, because they wanted to really sit down and watch stuff, but I wonder about that. A 10 minute vlog is 30 MB, easily. A 40 minute vlog would be almost 100 MB? Is that worth your time, bandwidth, and download speed? Would it make more sense to stream instead? --Stephanie -- Stephanie Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vlog: http://mortaine.blogspot.com Audioblog: http://bookramble.blogspot.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- My name
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Long and File Size: Revisiting the question
I prefer the shorter ones because of where I watch...at work or on my video ipod. When I can have it all connected to my living room tv...then I may want to watch longer pieces. And yeah, it'd better be a progressive download. On 1/16/06, usadutch2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For me size does not matter (in videos)However you got me mad if i have to download a 10 minute 50MB fileshowing some dork answering his email thru a vlog using theword whatever and like every 10 seconds. It is not the question do you like long or short video's for meit's more if the content is worth downloading.So people use TAGS!! or descriptions, a picture as a teaser will getme going too. just my 2..whateverBlips aka Klaas (he who is behind vlogmatic)--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I mean, in theory, if we're talking faster and fatter pipes, won't file size limitations be a thing of the past? -josh On 1/16/06, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, so now i'm wondering if those of us, like me, who prefershorter videos are simply more vocal than others. Come on, there's gotto be some people out there who love the longer videos and just can't get enough of the large files. -JoshOn 1/16/06, Philip Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3 minutes doesn't seem like a long time for a video. until you've got 20 of them to watch. i'll take a 30-second video that's so rockin' i have to watchit three times in a row, over a three-minute one where i'm fast-forwarding going ok ok... i get it. disclaimer-- i am far from your typical vlog viewer. i'm ondialup and don't subscribe to any feeds. instead i visit sites individually and make download decisionsbased on the criteria of text description, file size, intriguingscreenshot, and easy access to the .mov file (a few of you make this last one kind of difficult). anything over, say 15MB and i'll have to get back to youtomorrow... assuming i leave my modem on all night... and i remember it inthe morning. even with my finite download capability i somehow still windup with a backlog of unwatched vids. xo philip http://swordfight.org http://destroyhotaction.com On 16-Jan-06, at 5:00 AM, Markus Sandy wrote: i regularly download files in the 80-100Mb via fireant,although most are smaller.i tend to be less patient in the browser.if there is a feed, i'll use that instead if it makes sense.if not, i'll download it inthe background. i generally multi-task and so rarely care howlong the download takes.i prefer not to view vids in the browser, i prefer a sizable player like fireant.in general, i don't really care how big or how long a videois as long as the content is worth it(there is a limit of course, I'm not looking to download gigabyte files just yet).very few pieces ofmedia can hold my full attention for 40 minutes anymore (especially moviesand TV). i don't generally stop watching when it gets long, i usuallyjust fast forward.if i do stop, i generally stop watching a video within thefirst 30 seconds. If it has not captured me by then (or if it's notfrom a friend perhaps), I delete it and move on to the next.again, sizeis not much of a factor here. while i constantly find great stuff, most videos fail tocapture my attention these days (this is more of a statement about theincrease in the number of videos, not a decrease in quality - there's just a lot more stuff out there these days)the main reason for stopping a download: i found somethingelse I want sooner my download speed is usually in the 512Kb-1Mb range with noother limits (e.g., total downloads not limited). while this is notsuper fast, i would probably feel different ( i.e., more selective) if I hadslower access.i like streaming for the video conferences, but it does notseem to make much sense to me for vlogs (from a viewer standpoint, it stops and starts too much and it's usually hard to fast forward).hope that helpsStephanie Bryant wrote: I find myself revisiting this question every time I post alarge file to my vlog.How much is too much? At what point will you (personally, yourself, as a vlog watcher): 1) Stop downloading the file. 2) Stop watching the movie (how many minutes, assuming it'snot too boring). Just curious about the answers-- someone recently said theywanted longer than 10-minute vlogs, because they wanted to reallysit down and watch stuff, but I wonder about that. A 10 minute vlog is 30 MB, easily. A 40 minute vlog would be almost 100 MB? Is thatworth your time, bandwidth, and download speed? Would it make moresense to stream instead? --Stephanie-- Stephanie Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vlog: http://mortaine.blogspot.com Audioblog: http://bookramble.blogspot.comYahoo! Groups Links --My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org
[videoblogging] Re: Long and File Size: Revisiting the question
I tend to like shorter too. But then again if something is really good I often wish it was longer. I've been showing Nathan Millers Bicycle Sidewalk to my wife via my ipod plugged into the TV and she loves it. Her complaint is that it's too short! But then again that's the difference between watching on a computer screen and watching on a TV. I would suspect that as more devices come along to allow aggregated internet video content to be displayed on a television then there will be a greater demand for longer videos. On the creative side, I happen to love making short form stuff. I mean I really love it. I love the callenge of keeping something really interesting for 3 to 5 minutes. It's also a good format to learn, experiment and make mistakes in. If you do something really bad you haven't wasted too much of anyones time. But if you think about it, before the Internet the only short form films one might see on a regular basis was television commercials. And that's a real waste of a perfectly good format. Now you might also consider the fact that there are several longer format video blogs that seem to be popular (like Democracy Now) but those tend to have a lot of very high quality content. So yeah if you have enough great content to carry a long format then by all means put it out there!! Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, so now i'm wondering if those of us, like me, who prefer shorter videos are simply more vocal than others. Come on, there's got to be some people out there who love the longer videos and just can't get enough of the large files. -Josh On 1/16/06, Philip Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3 minutes doesn't seem like a long time for a video. until you've got 20 of them to watch. i'll take a 30-second video that's so rockin' i have to watch it three times in a row, over a three-minute one where i'm fast-forwarding going ok ok... i get it. disclaimer-- i am far from your typical vlog viewer. i'm on dialup and don't subscribe to any feeds. instead i visit sites individually and make download decisions based on the criteria of text description, file size, intriguing screenshot, and easy access to the .mov file (a few of you make this last one kind of difficult). anything over, say 15MB and i'll have to get back to you tomorrow... assuming i leave my modem on all night... and i remember it in the morning. even with my finite download capability i somehow still wind up with a backlog of unwatched vids. xo philip http://swordfight.org http://destroyhotaction.com On 16-Jan-06, at 5:00 AM, Markus Sandy wrote: i regularly download files in the 80-100Mb via fireant, although most are smaller. i tend to be less patient in the browser. if there is a feed, i'll use that instead if it makes sense. if not, i'll download it in the background. i generally multi-task and so rarely care how long the download takes. i prefer not to view vids in the browser, i prefer a sizable player like fireant. in general, i don't really care how big or how long a video is as long as the content is worth it (there is a limit of course, I'm not looking to download gigabyte files just yet). very few pieces of media can hold my full attention for 40 minutes anymore (especially movies and TV). i don't generally stop watching when it gets long, i usually just fast forward. if i do stop, i generally stop watching a video within the first 30 seconds. If it has not captured me by then (or if it's not from a friend perhaps), I delete it and move on to the next. again, size is not much of a factor here. while i constantly find great stuff, most videos fail to capture my attention these days (this is more of a statement about the increase in the number of videos, not a decrease in quality - there's just a lot more stuff out there these days) the main reason for stopping a download: i found something else I want sooner my download speed is usually in the 512Kb-1Mb range with no other limits (e.g., total downloads not limited). while this is not super fast, i would probably feel different (i.e., more selective) if I had slower access. i like streaming for the video conferences, but it does not seem to make much sense to me for vlogs (from a viewer standpoint, it stops and starts too much and it's usually hard to fast forward). hope that helps Stephanie Bryant wrote: I find myself revisiting this question every time I post a large file to my vlog. How much is too much? At what point will you (personally, yourself, as a vlog watcher): 1) Stop downloading the file. 2) Stop watching the movie (how many minutes, assuming it's not too boring). Just curious about the
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Long and File Size: Revisiting the question
On 1/16/06, johngaltsjournal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I wouldn't say I just can't get enough of large files, I just don't really mind longervideos.Some people just make long videos, and if I enjoy them, I watch em! (yes, I'm looking atyou, Mr. Richard Show.) ... hey, my recent ones are shorter ... really ... I'm down below a gigabyte and , my last was shorter than the most recent Harry Potter movie ... well, almost ... Richard (War and Peace of the Vlog World) -- Richard http://www.richardshow.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Long and File Size: Revisiting the question
On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:45:58 +0100, Bill Streeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would suspect that as more devices come along to allow aggregated internet video content to be displayed on a television then there will be a greater demand for longer videos. No doubt. I have the feeling that public access tv has failed because it requires longer content. That leaves out the regular joe who don't have time to produce a weekly 30 minute show. I only have limited experience with public access of course (a 5 month stay at CTN in Ann Arbor), but it seemed that the 'public' wasn't represented very well. It was mostly representatives from the local churches who videotaped sermons (a very easy way to create a 60 minute show). That why videoblogging - in my opinion - has an advantage over the tv. Shorter forms (ie. shorter than 30 minutes) work better, and thus more people can be involved. before the Internet the only short form films one might see on a regular basis was television commercials. And that's a real waste of a perfectly good format. I always tell people to start watching commercials. You can say a lot about them, but they're really good for figuring out how much you can leave *out* of a video and still have a perfectly coherent story. - Andreas -- URL: http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
