Re: [videoblogging] Re: Spam from Veoh?
bull, no way did i sign up for this list akonix_dmitry wrote: The only emails on our list are people that have sent an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] We do NOT harvest any email, will not release our email list to any third party, and will not spam. -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://apperceive.com http://app.etitio.us http://wearethemedia.com http://www.corante.com/events/feedfest/ http://spinflow.org http://spinsummer2005.blogspot.com http://spinsummer2005meetup.blogspot.com http://vloggercuewest.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Spam from Veoh?
On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 18:47:16 +0200, akonix_dmitry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have sent out one email to our [EMAIL PROTECTED] list, announcing the launch of our video uploader. The only emails on our list are people that have sent an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] If your name is inappropriately on the list, please email me directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED], or [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have never contacted Veoh before, and I recieved an invitation to Veoh last Sunday. It's unsolicited, it's spam and it's illegal (at least where I live). If this is not sanctioned by your organization I suggest that you take a long, serious talk with Maddie Gaskill your Marketing Specialist. We do NOT harvest any email, will not release our email list to any third party, and will not spam. How did my e-mail address end up on your notify list then? I shouldn't have to opt-out of your mailing adventures - you shouldn't even have added me in the first place. If at any time you experience any inappropriate activity from Veoh or any of its employees, please don't hesitate to contact me personally. I have CC'ed you directly as well. The complete e-mail from Maddie Gasskill is included below. I actually replied to this email because I wanted to see what Veoh is (mostly, because I don't believe in your business model). I wasn't going to comment on the email in this thread, but when you claimed that you've only been mailing people who have contacted you beforehand I got mad. Lying is not acceptable. - Andreas To: andreas [at] solitude.dk Subject: What is Veoh? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 20:12:38 -0400 We are a combination broadcaster and distributer of high quality video via the Internet. Veoh uses peer-to-peer file sharing as an alternative to traditional video distribution. As a result, Veoh can open opportunities that have never before existed for all filmmakers and video producers. With this technology, filmmakers can focus on the creative process because Veoh has solved the distribution problem. And, best of all, it's free for all publishers. Our investors are high profile in the media space, so we have access to a lot of mainstream media, but our primary focus is the long tail of video. We want Independent films, how-to videos, documentaries, music videos, crazy stuff (adult allowed), political commentary, or any other possibility out there. The beta version of our software will be available on Monday, August 15th and makes it incredibly easy to upload your video to the network. We are giving the early adopters an invite code so that their work can be front and center in this new form of media. Please contact me to receive yours! Maddie Gaskill Veoh Networks, Inc. Community Marketing Specialist www.veoh.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello World! Helpful Links: FAQ's: http://digitalintimacy.com/tvdrive/veoh/faq/faq.htm Press Release Info: http://www.socaltech.com/story/0002253.html VLOGDIR : The Videoblog Directory http://vlogdir.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Spam from Veoh?
Marcus, I personally appologize for your inconvenience... You will not receive any more emails from Veoh. As I stated in my prior email, if for some reason you did not sign up for the notification list, and got an email, simply email me personally at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Spammers don't give you their email addresses and 24 hour phone numbers... mine is 619-602-3305. Please accept my appologies. Sincerely, Dmitry Shapiro CEO Veoh Networks, Inc. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: bull, no way did i sign up for this list akonix_dmitry wrote: The only emails on our list are people that have sent an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] We do NOT harvest any email, will not release our email list to any third party, and will not spam. -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://apperceive.com http://app.etitio.us http://wearethemedia.com http://www.corante.com/events/feedfest/ http://spinflow.org http://spinsummer2005.blogspot.com http://spinsummer2005meetup.blogspot.com http://vloggercuewest.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Spam from Veoh?
Andreas, I will speak with Maddie. I suspect that she found your video blog and messaged you. Did you also get an email last night from [EMAIL PROTECTED] If so, then I need to find out how your email got onto it. I ASSURE you that it is NOT our policy to send out bulk unsolicited email, or to lie about it. Once again, please accept my apology. Dmitry Shapiro CEO Veoh Networks, Inc. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Andreas Haugstrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 18:47:16 +0200, akonix_dmitry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have sent out one email to our [EMAIL PROTECTED] list, announcing the launch of our video uploader. The only emails on our list are people that have sent an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] If your name is inappropriately on the list, please email me directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED], or [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have never contacted Veoh before, and I recieved an invitation to Veoh last Sunday. It's unsolicited, it's spam and it's illegal (at least where I live). If this is not sanctioned by your organization I suggest that you take a long, serious talk with Maddie Gaskill your Marketing Specialist. We do NOT harvest any email, will not release our email list to any third party, and will not spam. How did my e-mail address end up on your notify list then? I shouldn't have to opt-out of your mailing adventures - you shouldn't even have added me in the first place. If at any time you experience any inappropriate activity from Veoh or any of its employees, please don't hesitate to contact me personally. I have CC'ed you directly as well. The complete e-mail from Maddie Gasskill is included below. I actually replied to this email because I wanted to see what Veoh is (mostly, because I don't believe in your business model). I wasn't going to comment on the email in this thread, but when you claimed that you've only been mailing people who have contacted you beforehand I got mad. Lying is not acceptable. - Andreas To: andreas [at] solitude.dk Subject: What is Veoh? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 20:12:38 -0400 We are a combination broadcaster and distributer of high quality video via the Internet. Veoh uses peer-to-peer file sharing as an alternative to traditional video distribution. As a result, Veoh can open opportunities that have never before existed for all filmmakers and video producers. With this technology, filmmakers can focus on the creative process because Veoh has solved the distribution problem. And, best of all, it's free for all publishers. Our investors are high profile in the media space, so we have access to a lot of mainstream media, but our primary focus is the long tail of video. We want Independent films, how-to videos, documentaries, music videos, crazy stuff (adult allowed), political commentary, or any other possibility out there. The beta version of our software will be available on Monday, August 15th and makes it incredibly easy to upload your video to the network. We are giving the early adopters an invite code so that their work can be front and center in this new form of media. Please contact me to receive yours! Maddie Gaskill Veoh Networks, Inc. Community Marketing Specialist www.veoh.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello World! Helpful Links: FAQ's: http://digitalintimacy.com/tvdrive/veoh/faq/faq.htm Press Release Info: http://www.socaltech.com/story/0002253.html VLOGDIR : The Videoblog Directory http://vlogdir.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Spam from Veoh?
Firstly Id like to apologise for referring to 'the guy with the pink hair', as some researching on past conversation here about Veoh reveals that its Halcyon who has posted here to this group in the past. (eg http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/message/19607) I did not mean to refer to someone who is actually in this group in a way that made them sound like an unknown person we've never heard from. Now I just noticed that Ive received an email from Veoh too. I certainly dont remember signing up. It could be my bad memory, but considering the number of other people affected, I think someones taken liberties with your mailing list system. Who knows who is responsible, but I wouldnt be surprised if someone had harvested email addresses from this very yahoo group. Even if it wasnt an action sanctioned by Veoh, you are still responsible for your list. A good and fully compliant/safge system for such lists may work as follows. Opt-in with validity check. User puts their email address into a form on website to sign up to list (as at present) System sends user a confirmation email, saying that someone has entered this email address to be surscribed to veoh mailing list. This email includes a link they have to click on to CONFIRM that they actually wanted to sign up. If they dont click the link, they are NOT added to your email database. Sometimes such emails also contain the IP address of the computer that made the initial request on the website, along with a warning to that affect on the page where you subscribe, as a deterrant against gits putting other peoples email addresses intot he system. Whilst Im spouting advise from my high-horse, I may as well comment on the whole 'upload tools gets released first' philosophy that Veoh seem to have gone for, and google video the same before them. Whilst its totally understandable from a technology point of view, ie you want to test that part of system and actually get content onto server first, it sucks for encouraging people to take an interest. Feedback from the early days of the google video beta showed this. ie Why would I want to upload content to a new and untried network when I cant see what the experience is like from a viewers perspective? On a positive note, if youve released a PC and a Mac version at the same time, you get a big thumbs up for that from me. Cheers Steve of Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, akonix_dmitry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, This is Dmitry Shapiro, CEO of Veoh. I wanted to address this issue personally... We have sent out one email to our [EMAIL PROTECTED] list, announcing the launch of our video uploader. The only emails on our list are people that have sent an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] If your name is inappropriately on the list, please email me directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED], or [EMAIL PROTECTED] We do NOT harvest any email, will not release our email list to any third party, and will not spam. If at any time you experience any inappropriate activity from Veoh or any of its employees, please don't hesitate to contact me personally. I can be reached at: Dmitry Shapiro CEO [EMAIL PROTECTED] 619-602-3305 (cell phone - please be sensitive) :-) --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Stephanie Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Me too, more than one. They're starting to show up in my Gmail spam folder already. This is because the Members list is viewable by all members of the group. 1200 targeted email addresses, waiting to be mined. Veoh folks: Please stop. That's an abuse of the list, and I'm pretty sure it's a TOS violation with Yahoo! Cut it out-- you don't want to alienate your 1200 best leads. I think the welcome message for this group should probably be updated to let the more commercially-minded know that this is not acceptable. --Stephanie On 8/19/05, Anders Clerwall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/19/05, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: same here I've gotten one as well. -- Stephanie Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mortaine.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Spam from Veoh?
Dmitry, I searched my gmail outgoing folder, which I have never ever deleted anything from. No message there to anyone at veoh.com, so clearly I've never directly emailed to join that notification list. Here is what I think happened (best scenario): someone subscribed to this Yahoo! group with the notify@ as their email address and harvested addresses from people who emailed to the listserve. Whether that was done deliberately or as an accident, I don't know. You've been very up-front about Veoh and I don't believe this is a deliberate part of your business model. But if notify@ has an auto-adder to it, it would certainly be one quick way to get a bunch of email addresses without really thinking about it. Also, it's more than one message. I received one that's still in my inbox (the initial press release from Maddie) and then another one this morning, not from this Y! group, which went directly into my spam box and which I deleted permanently about an hour ago. Glad you're attending to these issues. --Stephanie On 8/19/05, akonix_dmitry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, This is Dmitry Shapiro, CEO of Veoh. I wanted to address this issue personally... We have sent out one email to our [EMAIL PROTECTED] list, announcing the launch of our video uploader. The only emails on our list are people that have sent an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] If your name is inappropriately on the list, please email me directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED], or [EMAIL PROTECTED] We do NOT harvest any email, will not release our email list to any third party, and will not spam. If at any time you experience any inappropriate activity from Veoh or any of its employees, please don't hesitate to contact me personally. I can be reached at: Dmitry Shapiro CEO [EMAIL PROTECTED] 619-602-3305 (cell phone - please be sensitive) :-) --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Stephanie Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Me too, more than one. They're starting to show up in my Gmail spam folder already. This is because the Members list is viewable by all members of the group. 1200 targeted email addresses, waiting to be mined. Veoh folks: Please stop. That's an abuse of the list, and I'm pretty sure it's a TOS violation with Yahoo! Cut it out-- you don't want to alienate your 1200 best leads. I think the welcome message for this group should probably be updated to let the more commercially-minded know that this is not acceptable. --Stephanie On 8/19/05, Anders Clerwall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/19/05, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: same here I've gotten one as well. -- Stephanie Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mortaine.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- Stephanie Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mortaine.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Spam from Veoh?
take me off your spam list as well, please. it's not my responsibility to fix your company's mistake. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, akonix_dmitry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marcus, I personally appologize for your inconvenience... You will not receive any more emails from Veoh. As I stated in my prior email, if for some reason you did not sign up for the notification list, and got an email, simply email me personally at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Spammers don't give you their email addresses and 24 hour phone numbers... mine is 619-602-3305. Please accept my appologies. Sincerely, Dmitry Shapiro CEO Veoh Networks, Inc. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: bull, no way did i sign up for this list akonix_dmitry wrote: The only emails on our list are people that have sent an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] We do NOT harvest any email, will not release our email list to any third party, and will not spam. -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://apperceive.com http://app.etitio.us http://wearethemedia.com http://www.corante.com/events/feedfest/ http://spinflow.org http://spinsummer2005.blogspot.com http://spinsummer2005meetup.blogspot.com http://vloggercuewest.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Spam from Veoh?
akonix_dmitry wrote: You will not receive any more emails from Veoh. thank you Spammers don't give you their email addresses and 24 hour phone numbers actually, i know many who do they always tell me they feel that they are informing people about something we will want to know about many are in the music biz and think what they are sending is better than porn or viagra ads it's still spam and it's not exactly carrying on a conversation you may want to check this out http://www.cluetrain.com/ markus -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://apperceive.com http://app.etitio.us http://wearethemedia.com http://www.corante.com/events/feedfest/ http://spinflow.org http://spinsummer2005.blogspot.com http://spinsummer2005meetup.blogspot.com http://vloggercuewest.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Spam from Veoh?
akonix_dmitry wrote: I ASSURE you that it is NOT our policy to send out bulk unsolicited email, or to lie about it. Policy is as policy does. I got the mail too and I'll be rather interested to learn which slimy address collection method was used. Did you scrape the whole Yahoo group membership list? Collect the address of everyone who posted since you joined? I only got one mail, and came from Dmitry, not Maddie. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Spam from Veoh?
Most unfortunate Watson! It's quite obvious to me (as I track all emails by using unique addresses for every different service) that these email addresses were harvested directly to the video blogging group. And harvested they were, there's no denying it, there's way to much correspondence between the two. For example I received email from them to groups-yahoo-com[at)mmeiser.com which I only use for yahoo groups. It's a huge over-site but I hope we can all forgive the people at Veoh. I can't imagine what they were thinking but I'm sure they won't make the same mistake twice. Please keep in mind our whole idea of standards and etiquette are still evolving and aren't so familiar to people who don't participate in bboards or yahoo groups that often. What's most unfortunate is I was and still am more than willing to subscribe to or participate in a mailing list or yahoo group regarding their project. Their email has thrown a lot of would be fans back on their heals. If I may make the suggestion... they should start all over, a clear slate and instead of emailing us all off group through our personal email.. use this group as a forum as MANY others have (from ANT to Vlogmaps), for approaching us all us all as a group in the open. A nice short introduction should work well, where we can ask questions in an open manner and then perhaps... a link to Veoh's own Yahoo group or mailing list for those of us who are interested. Personally I've loved to follow the conversation on projects I'm interested in. Almost every project I'm interested in from Flickr, to Del.icio.us to Ant and so on has a mailing list of some sort. -Mike Michael Meiser http://mmeiser.com/blog - fun stuff http://mmeiser.com/backchannel - serious lunacy stuff On Aug 19, 2005, at 12:59 PM, Andreas Haugstrup wrote: On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 18:47:16 +0200, akonix_dmitry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have sent out one email to our [EMAIL PROTECTED] list, announcing the launch of our video uploader. The only emails on our list are people that have sent an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] If your name is inappropriately on the list, please email me directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED], or [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have never contacted Veoh before, and I recieved an invitation to Veoh last Sunday. It's unsolicited, it's spam and it's illegal (at least where I live). If this is not sanctioned by your organization I suggest that you take a long, serious talk with Maddie Gaskill your Marketing Specialist. We do NOT harvest any email, will not release our email list to any third party, and will not spam. How did my e-mail address end up on your notify list then? I shouldn't have to opt-out of your mailing adventures - you shouldn't even have added me in the first place. If at any time you experience any inappropriate activity from Veoh or any of its employees, please don't hesitate to contact me personally. I have CC'ed you directly as well. The complete e-mail from Maddie Gasskill is included below. I actually replied to this email because I wanted to see what Veoh is (mostly, because I don't believe in your business model). I wasn't going to comment on the email in this thread, but when you claimed that you've only been mailing people who have contacted you beforehand I got mad. Lying is not acceptable. - Andreas To: andreas [at] solitude.dk Subject: What is Veoh? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 20:12:38 -0400 We are a combination broadcaster and distributer of high quality video via the Internet. Veoh uses peer-to-peer file sharing as an alternative to traditional video distribution. As a result, Veoh can open opportunities that have never before existed for all filmmakers and video producers. With this technology, filmmakers can focus on the creative process because Veoh has solved the distribution problem. And, best of all, it's free for all publishers. Our investors are high profile in the media space, so we have access to a lot of mainstream media, but our primary focus is the long tail of video. We want Independent films, how-to videos, documentaries, music videos, crazy stuff (adult allowed), political commentary, or any other possibility out there. The beta version of our software will be available on Monday, August 15th and makes it incredibly easy to upload your video to the network. We are giving the early adopters an invite code so that their work can be front and center in this new form of media. Please contact me to receive yours! Maddie Gaskill Veoh Networks, Inc. Community Marketing Specialist www.veoh.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello World! Helpful Links: FAQ's: http://digitalintimacy.com/tvdrive/veoh/faq/faq.htm Press Release Info: http://www.socaltech.com/story/0002253.html VLOGDIR : The Videoblog Directory http://vlogdir.com Yahoo! Groups Links SPONSORED LINKS Individual
[videoblogging] Re: Spam from Veoh?
To be fair they already did that here in the past. Someone posting their previous press release caused some moaning about press releases, which caused several people connected to Veoh to appear, apologise, and provide a link to the yahoo group for Veoh. The best way they can fix the current mailing list strife is to concede that their mailing list database is impossibly tainted, and to trash it and start again with a fully compliant opt-in and opt-out system. I guess that would be a brave move, considering at the product beta release stage they need to spread the word to those who are genuinely interested, but because the database has lots of people in it who dont want to be there, I think its a measure that should be taken for the sake of their reputation. As for the reality behind anti-spam legislation, I believe people who are sending thousands of emails occasionally, as opposed to millions every day, are more likely to suffer the negative effects of annoying the hell out of potential customers, than legal penalties. Cheers Steve of Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I may make the suggestion... they should start all over, a clear slate and instead of emailing us all off group through our personal email.. use this group as a forum as MANY others have (from ANT to Vlogmaps), for approaching us all us all as a group in the open. A nice short introduction should work well, where we can ask questions in an open manner and then perhaps... a link to Veoh's own Yahoo group or mailing list for those of us who are interested. Personally I've loved to follow the conversation on projects I'm interested in. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Spam from Veoh?
Hey, I'm the pink haired guy and I may have been resposible for some of the confusion and mistaken emails. I get excited and may not have communicated well with Maddie when I was gushing over many of the people on the list. I truly apologize. In any case, I have known Dmitry for many years and he is a stand up guy with a visionary passion. I just spoke with him and I have confidence he will do whatever possible to make this right. If you have lingering frustration or doubt, I'd give him a call (he posted his phone number). Again, my apologies to those who got mail they didn't want. -Halcyon www.SpreadingThePink.com On 8/19/05, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To be fair they already did that here in the past. Someone posting their previous press release caused some moaning about press releases, which caused several people connected to Veoh to appear, apologise, and provide a link to the yahoo group for Veoh. The best way they can fix the current mailing list strife is to concede that their mailing list database is impossibly tainted, and to trash it and start again with a fully compliant opt-in and opt-out system. I guess that would be a brave move, considering at the product beta release stage they need to spread the word to those who are genuinely interested, but because the database has lots of people in it who dont want to be there, I think its a measure that should be taken for the sake of their reputation. As for the reality behind anti-spam legislation, I believe people who are sending thousands of emails occasionally, as opposed to millions every day, are more likely to suffer the negative effects of annoying the hell out of potential customers, than legal penalties. Cheers Steve of Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I may make the suggestion... they should start all over, a clear slate and instead of emailing us all off group through our personal email.. use this group as a forum as MANY others have (from ANT to Vlogmaps), for approaching us all us all as a group in the open. A nice short introduction should work well, where we can ask questions in an open manner and then perhaps... a link to Veoh's own Yahoo group or mailing list for those of us who are interested. Personally I've loved to follow the conversation on projects I'm interested in. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- www.SpreadingThePink.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Spam from Veoh?
Who are you directing this at? There is no one person here who decided to talk every day about veoh spam, to the detriment of all other people. If the way I offer advice makes me come across as self-important then Im very sorry, but I am unable to know how to change, and if sounding like a smart arse is a potential side-effect of offering advise then I guess I'll just have to run that risk, because Im only hre to learn from other people and to hopefully say something useful to some people every once in a while. I wouldnt want to waste this groups time by talking about spam too much, but I see the Veoh discussion as totally legitimate because it relates to a service that is trying to engage this group specifically, and who listens and responds to this group. See how an outcome has been achieved, making me for one feel absolutely no guilt for talking about it here. Steve of Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, skullcrew webmaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who really care if someone sent you a spam email? Do you not get other spam from other sources. Do you not have a spam filter you can add him to? I think all the chatter about it is worse than the spam it self. Stop being stupid and whining. You are not smarter than anyone else, you are not the most important person in the group and you are annoying the hell out of most of the group by complaining about this everyday occurrence. anyways... nixter out. =X http://www.skullcrew.com http://www.angryshirts.com On Aug 19, 2005, at 1:18 PM, Halcyon Lujah wrote: Hey, I'm the pink haired guy and I may have been resposible for some of the confusion and mistaken emails. I get excited and may not have communicated well with Maddie when I was gushing over many of the people on the list. I truly apologize. In any case, I have known Dmitry for many years and he is a stand up guy with a visionary passion. I just spoke with him and I have confidence he will do whatever possible to make this right. If you have lingering frustration or doubt, I'd give him a call (he posted his phone number). Again, my apologies to those who got mail they didn't want. -Halcyon www.SpreadingThePink.com On 8/19/05, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To be fair they already did that here in the past. Someone posting their previous press release caused some moaning about press releases, which caused several people connected to Veoh to appear, apologise, and provide a link to the yahoo group for Veoh. The best way they can fix the current mailing list strife is to concede that their mailing list database is impossibly tainted, and to trash it and start again with a fully compliant opt-in and opt- out system. I guess that would be a brave move, considering at the product beta release stage they need to spread the word to those who are genuinely interested, but because the database has lots of people in it who dont want to be there, I think its a measure that should be taken for the sake of their reputation. As for the reality behind anti-spam legislation, I believe people who are sending thousands of emails occasionally, as opposed to millions every day, are more likely to suffer the negative effects of annoying the hell out of potential customers, than legal penalties. Cheers Steve of Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I may make the suggestion... they should start all over, a clear slate and instead of emailing us all off group through our personal email.. use this group as a forum as MANY others have (from ANT to Vlogmaps), for approaching us all us all as a group in the open. A nice short introduction should work well, where we can ask questions in an open manner and then perhaps... a link to Veoh's own Yahoo group or mailing list for those of us who are interested. Personally I've loved to follow the conversation on projects I'm interested in. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- www.SpreadingThePink.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Spam from Veoh?
On 8/19/05, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who are you directing this at? There is no one person here who decided to talk every day about veoh spam, to the detriment of all other people. I guess we need to remember to not let a certain thread get on our nerves. I think I also got some email from Veoh but I must have deleted it without further ado. I receive a lot of mail I did not ask for, and deleting them if I want to is not that hard. On the other hand, this Veoh story is very interesting, just like it was with the original press release. Maybe they just like the attention? ;) I hope this whole episode ends up teaching someone something about how to pitch the videoblogging crew. We might be genetically different from the people who love being sent emails without asking for it, but I doubt that. Videoblogging services will bloom, and That is awesome. I just hope we can learn to skille klinten fra hveten - which is a Norwegian _expression_ I have not the energy to translate right now. :) Wishing you all a great weekend, I know I need some rest. Raymond M. Kristiansen YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Spam from Veoh?
Oh dear - I suspect you are having one of those special days. I sense you really are trying to make amends. I'll wait and see. But to be clear: Please remove me from the notification email database. If you have a product or service that I would be interested in my usual path is to go directly to the web site to check it out. It helps if there is word of mouth or I discover reviews/recomendations from people I trust. I don't like having my email address plucked from my blog, forum or other discussion groups. I did not opt-in. All this did was to bring instant bad feelings for your company. I don't want more crud in my mail box. Not saying your stuff is crud. But if you have email then you know what we all have to wade through. And I don't even have the anatomy/equipment for 90% of the crud. I have no need for male performance enhancements. Parts is parts and I ain't got the parts. ;-} Take a deep breath, do what you have to do. Tommorow is another day. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
