Re: [videoblogging] Re: Why use an RSS aggregator?
Anyone know what's up with Channels.com? Who's setting that up?On 11/30/05, LeanBackVids.com < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On a related note, Publish.com just posted a good article last night... http://www.publish.com/article2/0,1759,1894117,00.asp -Matt --- http://ridertech.com http://leanbackvids.com http://vlogmap.org --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Josh Leo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > have you asked this question before? > > this is my standard answer: > > http://stonefarm.blogspot.com/2005/11/2-way-rss.html > > footage from the Chicago Meet the Vloggers Event > > -- > Josh Leo > > joshleo.com > stonefarm.blogspot.com > joshspicks.blogspot.com > vlogcats.blogspot.com > wearethemedia.com > SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Ted Tagamitagami.comU N I V E R S U S YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Why use an RSS aggregator?
On a related note, Publish.com just posted a good article last night... http://www.publish.com/article2/0,1759,1894117,00.asp -Matt --- http://ridertech.com http://leanbackvids.com http://vlogmap.org --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Josh Leo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > have you asked this question before? > > this is my standard answer: > > http://stonefarm.blogspot.com/2005/11/2-way-rss.html > > footage from the Chicago Meet the Vloggers Event > > -- > Josh Leo > > joshleo.com > stonefarm.blogspot.com > joshspicks.blogspot.com > vlogcats.blogspot.com > wearethemedia.com > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/I258zB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Why use an RSS aggregator?
Very cool, Josh. :) --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Josh Leo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > have you asked this question before? > > this is my standard answer: > > http://stonefarm.blogspot.com/2005/11/2-way-rss.html > > footage from the Chicago Meet the Vloggers Event > > -- > Josh Leo > > joshleo.com > stonefarm.blogspot.com > joshspicks.blogspot.com > vlogcats.blogspot.com > wearethemedia.com > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/I258zB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Why use an RSS aggregator?
Yes, it is still tricky. You're right: an aggregator in general is useful *after* you've found what you want to watch. I'll be adding a keyword search at some point, but it is easier to sample and find videoblogs on a desktop. I think FireANT, for instance, blurs the line a little between pure browser and pure aggregator. And that's GOOD for users! I would call such aggregators useful for the "fully- connected, full-bandwidth internet" (although correct me if I'm wrong! These are just my suspicions!). With FeederReader, it's a little more difficult balancing what I call the "semi-connected Web" because when you are interacting with the Pocket PC, it may not be connected to the internet. And when you do connect to the internet, it might be at 5kbytes per second (GPRS speed) or 15 kbytes per second (EDGE speed). EVDO, I think, goes to 40 or 60 kbytes per second (but don't quote me!). Sampling on broadband, where streaming is possible, is much easier than on GPRS. The characteristics of the internet connection that make possible getting podcasts and videocasts onto a Pocket PC (non-interactive, download slowly in the background) are the exact opposite of those things that make it easy for streaming. Even when you are connected via WiFi hotspot, it's a little difficult to sample because many people don't design their web sites to be easily accessible on a 240x320 device. And they may add features such as DHTML or JavaScript or Flash 8, that prevent the Pocket PC from properly displaying the site and accessing videos (or audio). I'm waiting for the tipping point where mobile devices, the semi- connected Web, and downloading direct wherever you are will be the norm. I'm evangelizing as fast as I can! In my view, bandwidth is less like a non-renewable resource (water) and more like Doritos: use (crunch?) all you want, they'll make more...eventually. Greg Smith Author, FeederReader - Pocket PC *direct* RSS text, audio, video, podcasts www.FeederReader.com - Download on the Road --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It's still tricky, isnt it? > I dont know feederReader... but can you find content easily? can you filter > it before downloading? Or do you need to know before hand what you want to > subscribe to? Also, can you grab feed items meta data first before > downloading any media? Personally, I am against the abuse of bandwidth... > So i dont *always* like the idea of downloading 200 videos from channels you > may be subscribed to but then really you only care to watch 20 of them. I > kind of have this 'bandwidth as water' metaphor in my head ;-) > Sure, if you com eto know a channel well, and are certain to watch all the > video...not really a problem. But many feeds will not fall into this, > especially with the growth of meta-feeds and shared playlists etc. > > blah blah... > > sull > > On 11/30/05, ecomputerd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Amazing: I *just* wrote an explanation of aggregators yesterday. > > here is a the exchange between me and another user on a Pocket PC > > forum. (FeederReader is an aggregator for a Pocket PC device). > > > > > > "Duckie" said: > > I mean seriously...why is it a big deal to go to a website and > > download the podcast? > > > > > > "GSmith" said: > > I agree that downloading one podcast is not that big a deal. Try > > checking 30 web pages for new podcasts, downloading the new ones > > (after remembering which ones you've downloaded already) > > transferring to your Pocket PC, listening to them, then deleting > > them. There's a tipping point where using an aggregator makes sense. > > Plus you can use FeederReader for text blogs and news as well. And > > on the Pocket PC, going to each website, then finding and > > downloading the new podcasts is even harder. With FeederReader, > > selecting "Do | Update All Feeds" can automatically check for new > > podcasts and download them, turning a 40 minute interactive > > experience into a 10-second icon tap. Anywhere you can connect to > > the internet (WiFi hotspot, cell phone), FeederReader can check and > > download new items. > > > > It all depends on how easy you want it to be, and how many you are > > going to check. I have 200 feeds and about 50 podcasts that I'm > > subscribed to directly on my Pocket PC. I can give you the list and > > I'd love for you to tell me how long it takes you to check the web > > sites, download the new podcasts, and read the new text items on > > each site. > > > > But you're right, for one or two podcasts, it's easier with > > FeederReader, but it's still possible without it. > > > > > > "Duckie" said: > > While I will agree, on the basis of your argument, that an agregator > > is helpful to those who listen to 30+ Podcasts, it still doesnt seem > > like a tool for the normal uiser. > > > > I could see news organizations and reporters or fellow bloggers > > using your app, but Joe Sch
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Why use an RSS aggregator?
It's still tricky, isnt it?I dont know feederReader... but can you find content easily? can you filter it before downloading? Or do you need to know before hand what you want to subscribe to? Also, can you grab feed items meta data first before downloading any media? Personally, I am against the abuse of bandwidth... So i dont *always* like the idea of downloading 200 videos from channels you may be subscribed to but then really you only care to watch 20 of them. I kind of have this 'bandwidth as water' metaphor in my head ;-) Sure, if you com eto know a channel well, and are certain to watch all the video...not really a problem. But many feeds will not fall into this, especially with the growth of meta-feeds and shared playlists etc. blah blah...sullOn 11/30/05, ecomputerd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Amazing: I *just* wrote an explanation of aggregators yesterday.here is a the exchange between me and another user on a Pocket PCforum. (FeederReader is an aggregator for a Pocket PC device)."Duckie" said: I mean seriously...why is it a big deal to go to a website anddownload the podcast?"GSmith" said:I agree that downloading one podcast is not that big a deal. Trychecking 30 web pages for new podcasts, downloading the new ones (after remembering which ones you've downloaded already)transferring to your Pocket PC, listening to them, then deletingthem. There's a tipping point where using an aggregator makes sense.Plus you can use FeederReader for text blogs and news as well. And on the Pocket PC, going to each website, then finding anddownloading the new podcasts is even harder. With FeederReader,selecting "Do | Update All Feeds" can automatically check for newpodcasts and download them, turning a 40 minute interactive experience into a 10-second icon tap. Anywhere you can connect tothe internet (WiFi hotspot, cell phone), FeederReader can check anddownload new items.It all depends on how easy you want it to be, and how many you are going to check. I have 200 feeds and about 50 podcasts that I'msubscribed to directly on my Pocket PC. I can give you the list andI'd love for you to tell me how long it takes you to check the websites, download the new podcasts, and read the new text items on each site.But you're right, for one or two podcasts, it's easier withFeederReader, but it's still possible without it."Duckie" said:While I will agree, on the basis of your argument, that an agregator is helpful to those who listen to 30+ Podcasts, it still doesnt seemlike a tool for the normal uiser.I could see news organizations and reporters or fellow bloggersusing your app, but Joe Schmoe (who barely knows how to open a word document without infecting himself, everyone in his email database,and Nasa) would have to be jobless to have time for 30+ Podcasts. Ibarely squeeze 5 in per week with my schedule, and mine isn't evenhectic. I mean, good on ya, mate, for creating (what I can only assume is) agood app for a niche market. Perhaps you're ahead of the game and Ijust don't know it yet...Now, if and when your app downloads the latest episodes of 'Lost' for me...then we can talk."GSmith" said:I appreciate your kind comments. And your sense is right that youhave to WANT to listen to podcasts. Perhaps part of the reason thatyou only have time for 5 podcasts is that you spend time checking and downloading. As news, information, and entertainment move to RSSfeeds, FeederReader will be available for you to save time bychecking all feeds with one tap. You can then spend your timelistening. Of course I *do* think I'm ahead of the game somewhat. I spend a lotof my time teaching people how to use FeederReader and RSS Feeds onthe FeederReader Forums.Once people have a desire to read, watch, or listen to RSS feeds and podcasts, they are usually happily surprised when I tell them theycan get those feeds directly to their Pocket PC without using adesktop computer at all. Any Wifi Hotspot or cell phone dataconnection will work. Some people will not find it useful. But many people will (and have) found FeederReader a convenient andtimesaving tool when you don't want to be tied to your desk. Everdownload the latest RocketBoom while shopping, then watch it in lineat the store? I have. It's amazingly cool. I'm not saying it's for everyone, and it may not be for you, but RSSFeeds and in particular, FeederReader, have totally changed the wayI get my information and entertainment.Greg SmithAuthor, FeederReader - Pocket PC *direct* RSS text, audio, video, podcastswww.FeederReader.com - Download on the Road Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-->Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/I258zB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM~-> Yahoo! Groups Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[videoblogging] Re: Why use an RSS aggregator?
Amazing: I *just* wrote an explanation of aggregators yesterday. here is a the exchange between me and another user on a Pocket PC forum. (FeederReader is an aggregator for a Pocket PC device). "Duckie" said: I mean seriously...why is it a big deal to go to a website and download the podcast? "GSmith" said: I agree that downloading one podcast is not that big a deal. Try checking 30 web pages for new podcasts, downloading the new ones (after remembering which ones you've downloaded already) transferring to your Pocket PC, listening to them, then deleting them. There's a tipping point where using an aggregator makes sense. Plus you can use FeederReader for text blogs and news as well. And on the Pocket PC, going to each website, then finding and downloading the new podcasts is even harder. With FeederReader, selecting "Do | Update All Feeds" can automatically check for new podcasts and download them, turning a 40 minute interactive experience into a 10-second icon tap. Anywhere you can connect to the internet (WiFi hotspot, cell phone), FeederReader can check and download new items. It all depends on how easy you want it to be, and how many you are going to check. I have 200 feeds and about 50 podcasts that I'm subscribed to directly on my Pocket PC. I can give you the list and I'd love for you to tell me how long it takes you to check the web sites, download the new podcasts, and read the new text items on each site. But you're right, for one or two podcasts, it's easier with FeederReader, but it's still possible without it. "Duckie" said: While I will agree, on the basis of your argument, that an agregator is helpful to those who listen to 30+ Podcasts, it still doesnt seem like a tool for the normal uiser. I could see news organizations and reporters or fellow bloggers using your app, but Joe Schmoe (who barely knows how to open a word document without infecting himself, everyone in his email database, and Nasa) would have to be jobless to have time for 30+ Podcasts. I barely squeeze 5 in per week with my schedule, and mine isn't even hectic. I mean, good on ya, mate, for creating (what I can only assume is) a good app for a niche market. Perhaps you're ahead of the game and I just don't know it yet... Now, if and when your app downloads the latest episodes of 'Lost' for me...then we can talk. "GSmith" said: I appreciate your kind comments. And your sense is right that you have to WANT to listen to podcasts. Perhaps part of the reason that you only have time for 5 podcasts is that you spend time checking and downloading. As news, information, and entertainment move to RSS feeds, FeederReader will be available for you to save time by checking all feeds with one tap. You can then spend your time listening. Of course I *do* think I'm ahead of the game somewhat. I spend a lot of my time teaching people how to use FeederReader and RSS Feeds on the FeederReader Forums. Once people have a desire to read, watch, or listen to RSS feeds and podcasts, they are usually happily surprised when I tell them they can get those feeds directly to their Pocket PC without using a desktop computer at all. Any Wifi Hotspot or cell phone data connection will work. Some people will not find it useful. But many people will (and have) found FeederReader a convenient and timesaving tool when you don't want to be tied to your desk. Ever download the latest RocketBoom while shopping, then watch it in line at the store? I have. It's amazingly cool. I'm not saying it's for everyone, and it may not be for you, but RSS Feeds and in particular, FeederReader, have totally changed the way I get my information and entertainment. Greg Smith Author, FeederReader - Pocket PC *direct* RSS text, audio, video, podcasts www.FeederReader.com - Download on the Road Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/I258zB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
