[videoblogging] Re: for the new people on this group (POD people)
I think you may be right about the British/American thing, here. I feel pretty confident saying that in the US (or, I guess, at least in NYC...a teeny chunk of the US) iPods are directly inferred by the term "podcast". Once the "pod-" is attached to anything, it's no longer perceived as a generic term, although someone pointed out (I don't remember who) that POD is actually an acronym. "Podcasting" may be an easier word for people to digest, but I feel like it's not quite a blanket term yet. It's no kleenex. Or band-aid. Or ketchup. Kids areound these parts aren't asking their parents for MP3 players for Christmas. They're asking for Nanos. b. http://missbhavens.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Frank Carver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Maybe I'm being naive here. Or maybe it's a British vs American > cultural thing, but to me the name "podcast" has already transcended > the name iPod. And I never felt particularly that podcast implied > iPod. > > The way I have always looked at it was that Apple decided to co-opt > the existing, but bland, word "pod", and use it to coin a new, simple > term for the more clumsy but popular "MP3 Player"... I don't know what it's > like where anyone else lives, but around here > the overwhelmingly popular name for a media player is still "MP3 > player". That's what seven-year-olds ask for for their birthdays. > Apple's iPod range are just seen as (expensive and pretentious) > examples among many. > > Bottom line, I'm happy to use "podcasting" and "podcast", and to > distinguish as appropriate where medium or format is an issue :- MP3 > podcasting, Quicktime video podcast, PDF podcast, or whatever. In most > cases though, it's much simpler and just as understandable to just say > "podcast". > > -- > Frank Carver http://www.makevideo.org.uk > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: for the new people on this group
even if that be truth, its besides the point.plus, this here is not only about Personal Options Devices, assuming that is some weirder way of saying Portable Media Player. people watch vlogs on computers and TVs as well. pod that.;-)On 11/23/05, Bill Streeter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yeah I tend to agree with this. The POD in iPod stands for personaloptions device. Apple added the i (as they have been for about 8years now) which they have always said stands for Internet. So youhave Internet Personal Options Device, or iPod. Pod is really a generic term.Bill StreeterLO-FI SAINT LOUISwww.lofistl.com--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Frank Carver < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:>> Wednesday, November 23, 2005, 3:00:58 PM, Michael Sullivan wrote:> > podcast is utterly the worst word that could have ever come outof> > audioblogging and now videoblogging. i absolutely despise it. why?> > because any term that references a specific product from aspecific company> > that is in no way exclsuive to what it is is wrong andconfusing.>> Maybe I'm being naive here. Or maybe it's a British vs American > cultural thing, but to me the name "podcast" has alreadytranscended> the name iPod. And I never felt particularly that podcast implied> iPod.>> The way I have always looked at it was that Apple decided to co-opt > the existing, but bland, word "pod", and use it to coin a new,simple> term for the more clumsy but popular "MP3 Player". Theyparticularly> needed to do this, otherwise the ability of their player to play MP3> files would be seen as it's major purpose, rather than Apple's aimof> playing their own DRM format.>> So the community wins. We now have a new, simple, pronounceableword> "pod" that describes a portable media player without reference to any> format, medium or manufacturer. Hurrah!>> Best of all, the community is free to invent new words to describe> things such as the process of subscribing and distributing mediafor > such a player: "podcasting".>> Now, Apple (for whatever reason) like the prefix "i". So _their_media> player is called iPod. In the same way that their notebookcomputer is > called iBook.>> I don't know what it's like where anyone else lives, but aroundhere> the overwhelmingly popular name for a media player is still "MP3> player". That's what seven-year-olds ask for for their birthdays. > Apple's iPod range are just seen as (expensive and pretentious)> examples among many.>> Bottom line, I'm happy to use "podcasting" and "podcast", and to> distinguish as appropriate where medium or format is an issue :- MP3> podcasting, Quicktime video podcast, PDF podcast, or whatever. Inmost> cases though, it's much simpler and just as understandable to justsay> "podcast".>> >> To simply add 'video' to podcast becomes a very simple > >> way to extend what people already know.>> > wrong.. most people know podcasts as being internet radio...audio! so, in> > essence, your saying adding video makes sense to prelude an audio term.> > video radio anyone?>> Umm. Wasn't the word "video" itself merely some sort ofcontraction of> vision and radio ?>> --> Frank Carver http://www.makevideo.org.uk> Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-->Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM~->Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -"The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born" - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directoryhttp://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: for the new people on this group
Yeah I tend to agree with this. The POD in iPod stands for personal options device. Apple added the i (as they have been for about 8 years now) which they have always said stands for Internet. So you have Internet Personal Options Device, or iPod. Pod is really a generic term. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Frank Carver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Wednesday, November 23, 2005, 3:00:58 PM, Michael Sullivan wrote: > > podcast is utterly the worst word that could have ever come out of > > audioblogging and now videoblogging. i absolutely despise it. why? > > because any term that references a specific product from a specific company > > that is in no way exclsuive to what it is is wrong and confusing. > > Maybe I'm being naive here. Or maybe it's a British vs American > cultural thing, but to me the name "podcast" has already transcended > the name iPod. And I never felt particularly that podcast implied > iPod. > > The way I have always looked at it was that Apple decided to co-opt > the existing, but bland, word "pod", and use it to coin a new, simple > term for the more clumsy but popular "MP3 Player". They particularly > needed to do this, otherwise the ability of their player to play MP3 > files would be seen as it's major purpose, rather than Apple's aim of > playing their own DRM format. > > So the community wins. We now have a new, simple, pronounceable word > "pod" that describes a portable media player without reference to any > format, medium or manufacturer. Hurrah! > > Best of all, the community is free to invent new words to describe > things such as the process of subscribing and distributing media for > such a player: "podcasting". > > Now, Apple (for whatever reason) like the prefix "i". So _their_ media > player is called iPod. In the same way that their notebook computer is > called iBook. > > I don't know what it's like where anyone else lives, but around here > the overwhelmingly popular name for a media player is still "MP3 > player". That's what seven-year-olds ask for for their birthdays. > Apple's iPod range are just seen as (expensive and pretentious) > examples among many. > > Bottom line, I'm happy to use "podcasting" and "podcast", and to > distinguish as appropriate where medium or format is an issue :- MP3 > podcasting, Quicktime video podcast, PDF podcast, or whatever. In most > cases though, it's much simpler and just as understandable to just say > "podcast". > > >> To simply add 'video' to podcast becomes a very simple > >> way to extend what people already know. > > > wrong.. most people know podcasts as being internet radio... audio! so, in > > essence, your saying adding video makes sense to prelude an audio term. > > video radio anyone? > > Umm. Wasn't the word "video" itself merely some sort of contraction of > vision and radio ? > > -- > Frank Carver http://www.makevideo.org.uk > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: for the new people on this group
Pure buzz. I have seen a direct increase in traffic and promotion by adding "podcast" to the title of my pages and getting listed on podcast directories. Other than being a niche-themed vlog, the podcast term has helped to build subscribers fast... http://www.vlogmap.org/feedburner/fbfeed.php?fbid=ridertech -Matt --- http://ridertech.com http://leanbackvids.com http://vlogmap.org --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Garfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'd guess buzz. > > A search over at http://inventory.overture.com gives these results for > October searches: > > vlog - 3,199 > videoblog - 366 > video blog - 6,353 > video podcast - 1,360 > ipod video - 86,341 > > Gotta go change my vlog name to "Steve Garfield's iPod Video Blog" > > On Nov 23, 2005, at 9:24 AM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: > > > Don't you mean "video podcast"? > > > > I'm joking, of course, but I've noticed a lot of people in this group > > change their weblog title or description to include the phrase "video > > podcast" since the release of the video iPod. Is this simply to gain a > > little extra Google-juice with the hopes of snagging those searching > > for the phrase? > > > > I'm personally still on the side of "videoblog" or the shortened > > "vlog" for a number of reasons... many of them already discussed > > here... I'm just curious to know if there's another reason people are > > opting for "video podcast" other than the recent buzz factor? > > --Steve > -- > Home Page - http://stevegarfield.com > Video Blog - http://stevegarfield.blogs.com > Text Blog - http://offonatangent.blogspot.com > > Like Paul Revere, leading the citizen's media revolution. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: for the new people on this group
Bill,I agree with your distinction I have also made this point in the past which is why I am particular to adding the term vodcast with videoblog for me, vodcast is more acceptable than video podcast. but the distinction you mention is indeed valid. sullOn 11/23/05, Bill Streeter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yeah that's basically my reasoning too. People seem to understandwhat a podcast is more than they understand what a Vlog is-- becauseof the 'buzz' factor. The general public understands on some generallevel that one can subscribe to a podcast via iTunes but they don't necessarily understand that you can subscribe to the content of mostblogs via an aggregator. Explaining RSS subscriptions is still likespeaking greek to most people, but they get podcasting because ofit's popularity. But I think that there are some fine distinctions that are becomingclear between the two concepts of video blog and video podcast.Distinctions that aren't going to be obvious to most people new toboth concepts. And it has nothing to do with personal versus the show format (a distinction that I think I've heard made herebefore.)This is what I see emerging;A video podcast is something that can be watched outside of thecontext of it's original blog posting, or it might not have anything to do with a blog—it could just be video on an RSS feed that islisted and subscribed to from some directory somewhere and theinteraction between the audience and the podcaster more mimicstraditional media because the normal feedback loop that is part of a blog is not important or is broken or discarded all together—liketraditional media, it's basically one way communication. It's alsovideo encoded in such a way to be compatible with the iPod.A video blog is video on a blog that can be aggregated via rss, like a podcast, but also offers all the interaction and additionalcontextual information of a traditional blog. And can really beencoded in any video format.These are fine distinctions, I know, but I think that they are valid. I also think that you can have both. One could have a videoblog that is also a video podcast. Where the content is designed insuch a way that the audience can read and use the interactivefeatures of a traditional blog or just ignore all of that and just watch whatever comes down the feed. The video feed can basicallystands on it's own, but additional information, interaction andlinks are available on the blog if the viewer chooses to view thisadditional info or comment. I kinda look at what I'm doing in this light. But I use the term video podcast because that's what peopleseem to understand right now. Baby steps ... get them hooked onpodcasts, then turn them on to video blogs.Bill StreeterLO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "T.Whid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> Hi Josh, >> It's more than simple 'buzz factor.' Most people don't know what or> how to connect to media via xml feeds. 'Podcast' is making headwayas> the generic term to describe this via Apple's (and others') marketing> and promotion. To simply add 'video' to podcast becomes a verysimple> way to extend what people already know.>> Vlog isn't good as it is meaningless to anyone that doesn't know the> 'v' stands for video.>> Videoblog is better and more precise if you are talking about a> website in blog format that also has video and feeds associatedwith> it.> > Video podcast is more precise when talking specifically about thefeed> and any web site associated with it is simply that, associated with> it, but not crucial to it.>> The dangerous part is if one uses the term 'podcast' people might > become confused and think that it only works with an ipod or ismeant> to be used in association with an ipod. I've seen a few launches of> video feeds recently where the only instructions they give on how to> use it is to use iTunes. This is a problem (I'm sure you'll agree).>> On 11/23/05, Joshua Kinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > Don't you mean "video podcast"?> > > > I'm joking, of course, but I've noticed a lot of people in thisgroup> > change their weblog title or description to include thephrase "video> > podcast" since the release of the video iPod. Is this simply to gain a> > little extra Google-juice with the hopes of snagging thosesearching> > for the phrase?> >> > I'm personally still on the side of "videoblog" or the shortened > > "vlog" for a number of reasons... many of them already discussed> > here... I'm just curious to know if there's another reasonpeople are> > opting for "video podcast" other than the recent buzz factor? > >> >> > Josh> --> www.mteww.com> Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home pagehttp://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM~-> Yahoo! Groups Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.
[videoblogging] Re: for the new people on this group
Yeah that's basically my reasoning too. People seem to understand what a podcast is more than they understand what a Vlog is-- because of the 'buzz' factor. The general public understands on some general level that one can subscribe to a podcast via iTunes but they don't necessarily understand that you can subscribe to the content of most blogs via an aggregator. Explaining RSS subscriptions is still like speaking greek to most people, but they get podcasting because of it's popularity. But I think that there are some fine distinctions that are becoming clear between the two concepts of video blog and video podcast. Distinctions that aren't going to be obvious to most people new to both concepts. And it has nothing to do with personal versus the show format (a distinction that I think I've heard made here before.) This is what I see emerging; A video podcast is something that can be watched outside of the context of it's original blog posting, or it might not have anything to do with a blogit could just be video on an RSS feed that is listed and subscribed to from some directory somewhere and the interaction between the audience and the podcaster more mimics traditional media because the normal feedback loop that is part of a blog is not important or is broken or discarded all togetherlike traditional media, it's basically one way communication. It's also video encoded in such a way to be compatible with the iPod. A video blog is video on a blog that can be aggregated via rss, like a podcast, but also offers all the interaction and additional contextual information of a traditional blog. And can really be encoded in any video format. These are fine distinctions, I know, but I think that they are valid. I also think that you can have both. One could have a video blog that is also a video podcast. Where the content is designed in such a way that the audience can read and use the interactive features of a traditional blog or just ignore all of that and just watch whatever comes down the feed. The video feed can basically stands on it's own, but additional information, interaction and links are available on the blog if the viewer chooses to view this additional info or comment. I kinda look at what I'm doing in this light. But I use the term video podcast because that's what people seem to understand right now. Baby steps ... get them hooked on podcasts, then turn them on to video blogs. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "T.Whid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Josh, > > It's more than simple 'buzz factor.' Most people don't know what or > how to connect to media via xml feeds. 'Podcast' is making headway as > the generic term to describe this via Apple's (and others') marketing > and promotion. To simply add 'video' to podcast becomes a very simple > way to extend what people already know. > > Vlog isn't good as it is meaningless to anyone that doesn't know the > 'v' stands for video. > > Videoblog is better and more precise if you are talking about a > website in blog format that also has video and feeds associated with > it. > > Video podcast is more precise when talking specifically about the feed > and any web site associated with it is simply that, associated with > it, but not crucial to it. > > The dangerous part is if one uses the term 'podcast' people might > become confused and think that it only works with an ipod or is meant > to be used in association with an ipod. I've seen a few launches of > video feeds recently where the only instructions they give on how to > use it is to use iTunes. This is a problem (I'm sure you'll agree). > > On 11/23/05, Joshua Kinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Don't you mean "video podcast"? > > > > I'm joking, of course, but I've noticed a lot of people in this group > > change their weblog title or description to include the phrase "video > > podcast" since the release of the video iPod. Is this simply to gain a > > little extra Google-juice with the hopes of snagging those searching > > for the phrase? > > > > I'm personally still on the side of "videoblog" or the shortened > > "vlog" for a number of reasons... many of them already discussed > > here... I'm just curious to know if there's another reason people are > > opting for "video podcast" other than the recent buzz factor? > > > > > > Josh > > > > > -- > www.mteww.com > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
