Re: [videoblogging] PORN, yes, I said it PORN.
Michael,You mentioned that you would include Madge Weinstein-ish content. How about Soccergirl's video stuff? Would that be considered legitimate videoblogging? Like when she shows us her boobies? (Don't mean to sound so...ah, f*ck it) Harold J. On 1/10/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the first porn sites were added to vlogdir.com last week.that prompted me to add an Adult Content category. i can add a custom wrapper on that category to do a number of things... such as warnings, agreements and so-called age check, access restriction until a request is made to gain access, or do nothing (current status). i just have not made a final decision yet. i think it may depend on the type of porn site... the ones added to vlogdir.com were typical porn sites with a front being a videoblog... as a teaser... which lead you into joining as a member etc other sites may just be adult content, some porny stuff, but not that typical porn network concept.too busy to put effort into any one approach here... but soon i will make some sort of adjustment WITHOUT censoring honest works. this may include 'the video stores back porn room' approach getting in may require a request to adjust member permissions. i know sites like the one added to vlogdir dont give a shit about vlogging... there just trying to make money. i dont feel much concern for them... but stuff like madge puts out... that HAS a place here! sullOn 1/10/06, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Let's talk. It's a hot topic right now since our (Mefeedia) site chose one method to make the site 'safe for work' etc.Disclaimer: I want to talk as an individual, not as someone affiliatedwith Mefeedia.That being said...There is a post on the Mefeedia blog that pointed out how content that might not be safe for work is handled.The author of the post pickedthe first feed that they came across, it was never meant to single outanyone.Apologies for singling out anyone that was not the intent at all.I've spent the morning listening to Richard's podcast.And he'sasking questions...I have some answers, as an individual, not as aspokesperson of mefeedia.Why do we need do cover up images like a vagina smoking a cigarette (for example)?Personally, I know that kids will find porn online,that's not why I feel some images need to be categorized or 'coveredup'.I feel it is important for browsing at work or something likethat, maybe over at my parent's places, etc.So here I am browsing around and I get explicit images on the screen, my boss comes in myoffice and thinks I am browsing porn.I have no problem with porn, trust me...you should see mycollection...It has nothing to do with monetization, etc.It's about having a site that everyone can use anywhere, in a school, in alibrary, etc.Freedom of speech is thrown around right and left, but if a review ofsomeone's feed isn't appreciated, then it's 'a bad' review, or un-fair.How does that work?I have questions.How do the other sites handle content?How do weas a community make sites that everyone, anyone can watch anywhere?There are several feeds that have been flagged as potential adult content, not just the one, there are 25 of them.But I agree thatthere should be some dialog with the producers of the feeds beforethey get flagged, that's where Mefeedia did go wrong, agreed.Theprocess is being refined.It's not the content of the video that I feel needs to be indentified, it's the thumbnails.--~DevlonBlog: http://devlond.blogspot.com Vlog: http://8bitme.blogspot.com http://mefeedia.com -OR- http://mefeedia.com/blogYahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directory http://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the
Re: [videoblogging] PORN, yes, I said it PORN.
David,Why not make it content:ratingRating/content:rating, so that all content -- podcasts, vlogs, even text -- might have this system?HaroldOn 1/10/06, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well this may or may not be over the top but ... What if we just defined a real quick RSS extension that allowed vloggers to put a *voluntary * and *optional* rating on their work. Something like vlog:ratingRating/vlog:rating Aggregators could honor the rating, and state in their user agreements that vlogs without a voluntary rating may be subject to things like alternate thumbnals, or even moderation etc. All we'd need is a list of defined ratings. Ratings could be something like: Kids/General/Mature/Adult Kids - Most parents would find this program suitable for all ages. Although this rating does not signify a program designed specifically for children, most parents may let younger children watch this program unattended. It contains little or no violence, no strong language and little or no sexual dialogue or situations. (This would be *similar* to the MPAA's G and TVG ratings) General - Content is considered appropriate for the general public. This content generally does not contain nudity and is generally free from extremely strong language. While this content may contain some strong language and may mention mature themes in passing it's relatively mild and not central to the content itself. The general rating is considered 'work environment friendly'. (This would be *similar* to the MPAA's PG and PG-13 ratings) Mature - May be unsuitable for children. Mature content may contain one or more of the following: intense violence, intense sexual situations, strong coarse language, or intensely suggestive dialogue. Content marked as 'mature' may deal specifically with mature themes and have prolific use of strong language. Although mature content may contain no nudity, it still may not be the sort of thing you want to have playing on computer at work. (This would be *similar* to the MPAA's TVMA rating) Adult - This content is designed for adult viewers only and may contain one or more of the following: graphic violence, explicit sexual activity, or crude indecent language. (This would be *similar* to the MPAA's R or NC-17 ratings) *shrug* This wouldn't solve all the issues, but at least it puts some control/responsability on the content creator instead of the directory manager. In the long run, it's not a bad idea to have a voluntary system in place anyway ... it tends to deflect any efforts to try and mandate one. - Dave On 1/10/06, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's talk. It's a hot topic right now since our (Mefeedia) site chose one method to make the site 'safe for work' etc. Disclaimer: I want to talk as an individual, not as someone affiliated with Mefeedia. That being said... There is a post on the Mefeedia blog that pointed out how content that might not be safe for work is handled. The author of the post picked the first feed that they came across, it was never meant to single out anyone. Apologies for singling out anyone that was not the intent at all. I've spent the morning listening to Richard's podcast. And he's asking questions...I have some answers, as an individual, not as a spokesperson of mefeedia. Why do we need do cover up images like a vagina smoking a cigarette (for example)? Personally, I know that kids will find porn online, that's not why I feel some images need to be categorized or 'covered up'. I feel it is important for browsing at work or something like that, maybe over at my parent's places, etc. So here I am browsing around and I get explicit images on the screen, my boss comes in my office and thinks I am browsing porn. I have no problem with porn, trust me...you should see my collection...It has nothing to do with monetization, etc. It's about having a site that everyone can use anywhere, in a school, in a library, etc. Freedom of speech is thrown around right and left, but if a review of someone's feed isn't appreciated, then it's 'a bad' review, or un-fair. How does that work? I have questions. How do the other sites handle content? How do we as a community make sites that everyone, anyone can watch anywhere? There are several feeds that have been flagged as potential adult content, not just the one, there are 25 of them. But I agree that there should be some dialog with the producers of the feeds before they get flagged, that's where Mefeedia did go wrong, agreed. The process is being refined. It's not the content of the video that I feel needs to be indentified, it's the thumbnails. -- ~Devlon Blog: http://devlond.blogspot.com Vlog: http://8bitme.blogspot.com http://mefeedia.com -OR- http://mefeedia.com/blog Yahoo! Groups Links -- http://www.DavidMeade.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
Re: [videoblogging] PORN, yes, I said it PORN.
My apologies if I seem really behind on this conversation (since I am). I'll try catching up on the full conversation before I make any further comments.HaroldOn 1/11/06, Harold Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David,Why not make it content:ratingRating/content:rating, so that all content -- podcasts, vlogs, even text -- might have this system?Harold On 1/10/06, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well this may or may not be over the top but ... What if we just defined a real quick RSS extension that allowed vloggers to put a *voluntary * and *optional* rating on their work. Something like vlog:ratingRating/vlog:rating Aggregators could honor the rating, and state in their user agreements that vlogs without a voluntary rating may be subject to things like alternate thumbnals, or even moderation etc. All we'd need is a list of defined ratings. Ratings could be something like: Kids/General/Mature/Adult Kids - Most parents would find this program suitable for all ages. Although this rating does not signify a program designed specifically for children, most parents may let younger children watch this program unattended. It contains little or no violence, no strong language and little or no sexual dialogue or situations. (This would be *similar* to the MPAA's G and TVG ratings) General - Content is considered appropriate for the general public. This content generally does not contain nudity and is generally free from extremely strong language. While this content may contain some strong language and may mention mature themes in passing it's relatively mild and not central to the content itself. The general rating is considered 'work environment friendly'. (This would be *similar* to the MPAA's PG and PG-13 ratings) Mature - May be unsuitable for children. Mature content may contain one or more of the following: intense violence, intense sexual situations, strong coarse language, or intensely suggestive dialogue. Content marked as 'mature' may deal specifically with mature themes and have prolific use of strong language. Although mature content may contain no nudity, it still may not be the sort of thing you want to have playing on computer at work. (This would be *similar* to the MPAA's TVMA rating) Adult - This content is designed for adult viewers only and may contain one or more of the following: graphic violence, explicit sexual activity, or crude indecent language. (This would be *similar* to the MPAA's R or NC-17 ratings) *shrug* This wouldn't solve all the issues, but at least it puts some control/responsability on the content creator instead of the directory manager. In the long run, it's not a bad idea to have a voluntary system in place anyway ... it tends to deflect any efforts to try and mandate one. - Dave On 1/10/06, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's talk. It's a hot topic right now since our (Mefeedia) site chose one method to make the site 'safe for work' etc. Disclaimer: I want to talk as an individual, not as someone affiliated with Mefeedia. That being said... There is a post on the Mefeedia blog that pointed out how content that might not be safe for work is handled. The author of the post picked the first feed that they came across, it was never meant to single out anyone. Apologies for singling out anyone that was not the intent at all. I've spent the morning listening to Richard's podcast. And he's asking questions...I have some answers, as an individual, not as a spokesperson of mefeedia. Why do we need do cover up images like a vagina smoking a cigarette (for example)? Personally, I know that kids will find porn online, that's not why I feel some images need to be categorized or 'covered up'. I feel it is important for browsing at work or something like that, maybe over at my parent's places, etc. So here I am browsing around and I get explicit images on the screen, my boss comes in my office and thinks I am browsing porn. I have no problem with porn, trust me...you should see my collection...It has nothing to do with monetization, etc. It's about having a site that everyone can use anywhere, in a school, in a library, etc. Freedom of speech is thrown around right and left, but if a review of someone's feed isn't appreciated, then it's 'a bad' review, or un-fair. How does that work? I have questions. How do the other sites handle content? How do we as a community make sites that everyone, anyone can watch anywhere? There are several feeds that have been flagged as potential adult content, not just the one, there are 25 of them. But I agree that there should be some dialog with the producers of the feeds before they get flagged, that's where Mefeedia did go wrong, agreed. The process is being refined. It's not the content of the video that I feel needs to be indentified, it's the thumbnails. -- ~Devlon Blog: http://devlond.blogspot.com Vlog: http://8bitme.blogspot.com http://mefeedia.com -OR-
Re: [videoblogging] PORN, yes, I said it PORN.
Devlon,The topic's already been discussed recently (and at great length) on this other thread:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/message/30956 I know it's a hot topic, but just wanted to direct you to some of the discussion that's already taken place, so we don't tread over the same territory.Harold J. JohnsonSomethingThatHappened:I Took My Stuffed Dog Out For a Draghttp://SomethingThatHappened.comOn 1/10/06, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's talk. It's a hot topic right now since our (Mefeedia) site chose one method to make the site 'safe for work' etc. Disclaimer: I want to talk as an individual, not as someone affiliated with Mefeedia. That being said... There is a post on the Mefeedia blog that pointed out how content that might not be safe for work is handled. The author of the post picked the first feed that they came across, it was never meant to single out anyone. Apologies for singling out anyone that was not the intent at all. I've spent the morning listening to Richard's podcast. And he's asking questions...I have some answers, as an individual, not as a spokesperson of mefeedia. Why do we need do cover up images like a vagina smoking a cigarette (for example)? Personally, I know that kids will find porn online, that's not why I feel some images need to be categorized or 'covered up'. I feel it is important for browsing at work or something like that, maybe over at my parent's places, etc. So here I am browsing around and I get explicit images on the screen, my boss comes in my office and thinks I am browsing porn. I have no problem with porn, trust me...you should see my collection...It has nothing to do with monetization, etc. It's about having a site that everyone can use anywhere, in a school, in a library, etc. Freedom of speech is thrown around right and left, but if a review of someone's feed isn't appreciated, then it's 'a bad' review, or un-fair. How does that work? I have questions. How do the other sites handle content? How do we as a community make sites that everyone, anyone can watch anywhere? There are several feeds that have been flagged as potential adult content, not just the one, there are 25 of them. But I agree that there should be some dialog with the producers of the feeds before they get flagged, that's where Mefeedia did go wrong, agreed. The process is being refined. It's not the content of the video that I feel needs to be indentified, it's the thumbnails. -- ~Devlon Blog: http://devlond.blogspot.com Vlog: http://8bitme.blogspot.com http://mefeedia.com -OR- http://mefeedia.com/blog SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] PORN, yes, I said it PORN.
I agree, there was discussion, but not discussion on how as a community we handle the it, or choose not to handle it.That is why I've posted this message.I don't feel that any territory was covered really. It dissolved into puns and jokes. Good puns and jokes mind you, but the meat of the matter never really got dicsussed. On 1/10/06, Harold Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Devlon,The topic's already been discussed recently (and at great length) on this other thread: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/message/30956 I know it's a hot topic, but just wanted to direct you to some of the discussion that's already taken place, so we don't tread over the same territory.Harold J. JohnsonSomethingThatHappened:I Took My Stuffed Dog Out For a Draghttp://SomethingThatHappened.com On 1/10/06, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's talk. It's a hot topic right now since our (Mefeedia) site chose one method to make the site 'safe for work' etc. Disclaimer: I want to talk as an individual, not as someone affiliated with Mefeedia. That being said... There is a post on the Mefeedia blog that pointed out how content that might not be safe for work is handled. The author of the post picked the first feed that they came across, it was never meant to single out anyone. Apologies for singling out anyone that was not the intent at all. I've spent the morning listening to Richard's podcast. And he's asking questions...I have some answers, as an individual, not as a spokesperson of mefeedia. Why do we need do cover up images like a vagina smoking a cigarette (for example)? Personally, I know that kids will find porn online, that's not why I feel some images need to be categorized or 'covered up'. I feel it is important for browsing at work or something like that, maybe over at my parent's places, etc. So here I am browsing around and I get explicit images on the screen, my boss comes in my office and thinks I am browsing porn. I have no problem with porn, trust me...you should see my collection...It has nothing to do with monetization, etc. It's about having a site that everyone can use anywhere, in a school, in a library, etc. Freedom of speech is thrown around right and left, but if a review of someone's feed isn't appreciated, then it's 'a bad' review, or un-fair. How does that work? I have questions. How do the other sites handle content? How do we as a community make sites that everyone, anyone can watch anywhere? There are several feeds that have been flagged as potential adult content, not just the one, there are 25 of them. But I agree that there should be some dialog with the producers of the feeds before they get flagged, that's where Mefeedia did go wrong, agreed. The process is being refined. It's not the content of the video that I feel needs to be indentified, it's the thumbnails. -- ~Devlon Blog: http://devlond.blogspot.com Vlog: http://8bitme.blogspot.com http://mefeedia.com -OR- http://mefeedia.com/blog SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- ~DevlonBlog: http://devlond.blogspot.comVlog: http://8bitme.blogspot.com http://mefeedia.com -OR- http://mefeedia.com/blog SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] PORN, yes, I said it PORN.
i made suggestions that you can look back and consider...On 1/10/06, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree, there was discussion, but not discussion on how as a community we handle the it, or choose not to handle it.That is why I've posted this message.I don't feel that any territory was covered really. It dissolved into puns and jokes. Good puns and jokes mind you, but the meat of the matter never really got dicsussed. On 1/10/06, Harold Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Devlon,The topic's already been discussed recently (and at great length) on this other thread: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/message/30956 I know it's a hot topic, but just wanted to direct you to some of the discussion that's already taken place, so we don't tread over the same territory.Harold J. JohnsonSomethingThatHappened:I Took My Stuffed Dog Out For a Draghttp://SomethingThatHappened.com On 1/10/06, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's talk. It's a hot topic right now since our (Mefeedia) site chose one method to make the site 'safe for work' etc. Disclaimer: I want to talk as an individual, not as someone affiliated with Mefeedia. That being said... There is a post on the Mefeedia blog that pointed out how content that might not be safe for work is handled. The author of the post picked the first feed that they came across, it was never meant to single out anyone. Apologies for singling out anyone that was not the intent at all. I've spent the morning listening to Richard's podcast. And he's asking questions...I have some answers, as an individual, not as a spokesperson of mefeedia. Why do we need do cover up images like a vagina smoking a cigarette (for example)? Personally, I know that kids will find porn online, that's not why I feel some images need to be categorized or 'covered up'. I feel it is important for browsing at work or something like that, maybe over at my parent's places, etc. So here I am browsing around and I get explicit images on the screen, my boss comes in my office and thinks I am browsing porn. I have no problem with porn, trust me...you should see my collection...It has nothing to do with monetization, etc. It's about having a site that everyone can use anywhere, in a school, in a library, etc. Freedom of speech is thrown around right and left, but if a review of someone's feed isn't appreciated, then it's 'a bad' review, or un-fair. How does that work? I have questions. How do the other sites handle content? How do we as a community make sites that everyone, anyone can watch anywhere? There are several feeds that have been flagged as potential adult content, not just the one, there are 25 of them. But I agree that there should be some dialog with the producers of the feeds before they get flagged, that's where Mefeedia did go wrong, agreed. The process is being refined. It's not the content of the video that I feel needs to be indentified, it's the thumbnails. -- ~Devlon Blog: http://devlond.blogspot.com Vlog: http://8bitme.blogspot.com http://mefeedia.com -OR- http://mefeedia.com/blog SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- ~DevlonBlog: http://devlond.blogspot.comVlog: http://8bitme.blogspot.com http://mefeedia.com -OR- http://mefeedia.com/blog SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directoryhttp://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal
Re: [videoblogging] PORN, yes, I said it PORN.
the first porn sites were added to vlogdir.com last week.that prompted me to add an Adult Content category.i can add a custom wrapper on that category to do a number of things... such as warnings, agreements and so-called age check, access restriction until a request is made to gain access, or do nothing (current status). i just have not made a final decision yet. i think it may depend on the type of porn site... the ones added to vlogdir.com were typical porn sites with a front being a videoblog... as a teaser... which lead you into joining as a member etc other sites may just be adult content, some porny stuff, but not that typical porn network concept.too busy to put effort into any one approach here... but soon i will make some sort of adjustment WITHOUT censoring honest works. this may include 'the video stores back porn room' approach getting in may require a request to adjust member permissions. i know sites like the one added to vlogdir dont give a shit about vlogging... there just trying to make money. i dont feel much concern for them... but stuff like madge puts out... that HAS a place here! sullOn 1/10/06, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Let's talk.It's a hot topic right now since our (Mefeedia) site chose one method to make the site 'safe for work' etc.Disclaimer: I want to talk as an individual, not as someone affiliatedwith Mefeedia.That being said...There is a post on the Mefeedia blog that pointed out how content that might not be safe for work is handled.The author of the post pickedthe first feed that they came across, it was never meant to single outanyone.Apologies for singling out anyone that was not the intent at all.I've spent the morning listening to Richard's podcast.And he'sasking questions...I have some answers, as an individual, not as aspokesperson of mefeedia.Why do we need do cover up images like a vagina smoking a cigarette (for example)?Personally, I know that kids will find porn online,that's not why I feel some images need to be categorized or 'coveredup'.I feel it is important for browsing at work or something likethat, maybe over at my parent's places, etc.So here I am browsing around and I get explicit images on the screen, my boss comes in myoffice and thinks I am browsing porn.I have no problem with porn, trust me...you should see mycollection...It has nothing to do with monetization, etc.It's about having a site that everyone can use anywhere, in a school, in alibrary, etc.Freedom of speech is thrown around right and left, but if a review ofsomeone's feed isn't appreciated, then it's 'a bad' review, or un-fair.How does that work?I have questions.How do the other sites handle content?How do weas a community make sites that everyone, anyone can watch anywhere?There are several feeds that have been flagged as potential adult content, not just the one, there are 25 of them.But I agree thatthere should be some dialog with the producers of the feeds beforethey get flagged, that's where Mefeedia did go wrong, agreed.Theprocess is being refined.It's not the content of the video that I feel needs to be indentified, it's the thumbnails.--~DevlonBlog: http://devlond.blogspot.comVlog: http://8bitme.blogspot.com http://mefeedia.com -OR- http://mefeedia.com/blogYahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directoryhttp://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] PORN, yes, I said it PORN.
Well this may or may not be over the top but ... What if we just defined a real quick RSS extension that allowed vloggers to put a *voluntary * and *optional* rating on their work. Something like vlog:ratingRating/vlog:rating Aggregators could honor the rating, and state in their user agreements that vlogs without a voluntary rating may be subject to things like alternate thumbnals, or even moderation etc. All we'd need is a list of defined ratings. Ratings could be something like: Kids/General/Mature/Adult Kids - Most parents would find this program suitable for all ages. Although this rating does not signify a program designed specifically for children, most parents may let younger children watch this program unattended. It contains little or no violence, no strong language and little or no sexual dialogue or situations. (This would be *similar* to the MPAA's G and TVG ratings) General - Content is considered appropriate for the general public. This content generally does not contain nudity and is generally free from extremely strong language. While this content may contain some strong language and may mention mature themes in passing it's relatively mild and not central to the content itself. The general rating is considered 'work environment friendly'. (This would be *similar* to the MPAA's PG and PG-13 ratings) Mature - May be unsuitable for children. Mature content may contain one or more of the following: intense violence, intense sexual situations, strong coarse language, or intensely suggestive dialogue. Content marked as 'mature' may deal specifically with mature themes and have prolific use of strong language. Although mature content may contain no nudity, it still may not be the sort of thing you want to have playing on computer at work. (This would be *similar* to the MPAA's TVMA rating) Adult - This content is designed for adult viewers only and may contain one or more of the following: graphic violence, explicit sexual activity, or crude indecent language. (This would be *similar* to the MPAA's R or NC-17 ratings) *shrug* This wouldn't solve all the issues, but at least it puts some control/responsability on the content creator instead of the directory manager. In the long run, it's not a bad idea to have a voluntary system in place anyway ... it tends to deflect any efforts to try and mandate one. - Dave On 1/10/06, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's talk. It's a hot topic right now since our (Mefeedia) site chose one method to make the site 'safe for work' etc. Disclaimer: I want to talk as an individual, not as someone affiliated with Mefeedia. That being said... There is a post on the Mefeedia blog that pointed out how content that might not be safe for work is handled. The author of the post picked the first feed that they came across, it was never meant to single out anyone. Apologies for singling out anyone that was not the intent at all. I've spent the morning listening to Richard's podcast. And he's asking questions...I have some answers, as an individual, not as a spokesperson of mefeedia. Why do we need do cover up images like a vagina smoking a cigarette (for example)? Personally, I know that kids will find porn online, that's not why I feel some images need to be categorized or 'covered up'. I feel it is important for browsing at work or something like that, maybe over at my parent's places, etc. So here I am browsing around and I get explicit images on the screen, my boss comes in my office and thinks I am browsing porn. I have no problem with porn, trust me...you should see my collection...It has nothing to do with monetization, etc. It's about having a site that everyone can use anywhere, in a school, in a library, etc. Freedom of speech is thrown around right and left, but if a review of someone's feed isn't appreciated, then it's 'a bad' review, or un-fair. How does that work? I have questions. How do the other sites handle content? How do we as a community make sites that everyone, anyone can watch anywhere? There are several feeds that have been flagged as potential adult content, not just the one, there are 25 of them. But I agree that there should be some dialog with the producers of the feeds before they get flagged, that's where Mefeedia did go wrong, agreed. The process is being refined. It's not the content of the video that I feel needs to be indentified, it's the thumbnails. -- ~Devlon Blog: http://devlond.blogspot.com Vlog: http://8bitme.blogspot.com http://mefeedia.com -OR- http://mefeedia.com/blog Yahoo! Groups Links -- http://www.DavidMeade.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] PORN, yes, I said it PORN.
What if we just defined a real quick RSS extension that allowed vloggers to put a *voluntary * and *optional* rating on their work. Something like vlog:ratingRating/vlog:rating The iTunes extensions already have an explicit flag. Its a boolean, so not as variable as you suggest, but that's their answer. Far be it from me to suggest adopting an iTunes extension outside of iTunes, as you probably know how much of a fan of that I'd be (from the people who brought you video podcast), but it could be a start. I suggest it purely as a technical solution, my opinion on flagging porn is a lot more liberal... Regards, Richard Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] PORN, yes, I said it PORN.
On 1/10/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the first porn sites were added to vlogdir.com last week.that prompted me to add an Adult Content category. I think categorization is a good yes, isn't that also censorship? labelling? It's tough to make everyone happy isn't it? i can add a custom wrapper on that category to do a number of things... such as warnings, agreements and so-called age check, access restriction until a request is made to gain access, or do nothing (current status). i just have not made a final decision yet. i think it may depend on the type of porn site... the ones added to vlogdir.com were typical porn sites with a front being a videoblog... as a teaser... which lead you into joining as a member etc other sites may just be adult content, some porny stuff, but not that typical porn network concept.too busy to put effort into any one approach here... but soon i will make some sort of adjustment WITHOUT censoring honest works. this may include 'the video stores back porn room' approach getting in may require a request to adjust member permissions. i know sites like the one added to vlogdir dont give a shit about vlogging... there just trying to make money. i dont feel much concern for them... but stuff like madge puts out... that HAS a place here! I agree, those teasers are not videoblogs and have no place. Even though I was being slightly verbally abused in his latest podcast, he does have good points and the bottom line is that he is a videoblogger/podcaster. sullOn 1/10/06, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Let's talk. It's a hot topic right now since our (Mefeedia) site chose one method to make the site 'safe for work' etc.Disclaimer: I want to talk as an individual, not as someone affiliatedwith Mefeedia.That being said...There is a post on the Mefeedia blog that pointed out how content that might not be safe for work is handled.The author of the post pickedthe first feed that they came across, it was never meant to single outanyone.Apologies for singling out anyone that was not the intent at all.I've spent the morning listening to Richard's podcast.And he'sasking questions...I have some answers, as an individual, not as aspokesperson of mefeedia.Why do we need do cover up images like a vagina smoking a cigarette (for example)?Personally, I know that kids will find porn online,that's not why I feel some images need to be categorized or 'coveredup'.I feel it is important for browsing at work or something likethat, maybe over at my parent's places, etc.So here I am browsing around and I get explicit images on the screen, my boss comes in myoffice and thinks I am browsing porn.I have no problem with porn, trust me...you should see mycollection...It has nothing to do with monetization, etc.It's about having a site that everyone can use anywhere, in a school, in alibrary, etc.Freedom of speech is thrown around right and left, but if a review ofsomeone's feed isn't appreciated, then it's 'a bad' review, or un-fair.How does that work?I have questions.How do the other sites handle content?How do weas a community make sites that everyone, anyone can watch anywhere?There are several feeds that have been flagged as potential adult content, not just the one, there are 25 of them.But I agree thatthere should be some dialog with the producers of the feeds beforethey get flagged, that's where Mefeedia did go wrong, agreed.Theprocess is being refined.It's not the content of the video that I feel needs to be indentified, it's the thumbnails.--~DevlonBlog: http://devlond.blogspot.com Vlog: http://8bitme.blogspot.com http://mefeedia.com -OR- http://mefeedia.com/blogYahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directory http://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- ~DevlonBlog: http://devlond.blogspot.comVlog: http://8bitme.blogspot.com http://mefeedia.com -OR-
Re: [videoblogging] PORN, yes, I said it PORN.
On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 18:41:25 +0100, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well this may or may not be over the top but ... What if we just defined a real quick RSS extension that allowed vloggers to put a *voluntary * and *optional* rating on their work. Something like vlog:ratingRating/vlog:rating Or... You could use the element already in place in Media RSS. It's still far from perfect, but much better than the first iteration (which was a boolean value like iTunes' element). URL: http://search.yahoo.com/mrss There have been longer discussions around rating elements in RSS on the Media RSS dev. list. They are worth rereading so you don't make the same mistakes. URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rss-media/ - Andreas -- URL: http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
