Re: [videoblogging] Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.

2005-12-02 Thread Randolfe Wicker 





All commercial blogs/vlogs are not evil.  What 
amuses me is when a viewer watches a commercial vlog and doesn't even realize 
it.
 
There was a "Wild Girls of Thailand" vlog a few 
days ago with some topless nudity, etc. and which ended with a still that said: 
"Get the DVD @ ". Actually, it was one of the "most watched" videos of the 
day.
 
This fact seemed to be missed by a couple people 
posting comments who only said things like the vlog was "exploitative", 
etc.
 
If vlogs like that one "paid off", we might find 
ourselves swamped with vlogs that were nothing more than trailers/commercials 
for soft porn.
 
Randolfe (Randy) Wicker
 
Videographer, Writer, ActivistAdvisor: The Immortality 
InstituteHoboken, NJhttp://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/201-656-3280
 
 

  - Original Message - 
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  Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Porn Shmorn. 
  Grow up! There's real life going on.
  > Not all company (video)blogs are evil.im not 
  making a judgement on the products...i just dont want my timehijacked by 
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Re: [videoblogging] Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.

2005-12-02 Thread Randolfe Wicker 
Jay says and Andreas responded:
"> anyone with a brian knows that insanefilms.com is not a porn
> vloghe just happened to film a gang bang audition once for a
> school project. (look in the archive. its pretty amazing)

They have... auditions...?"

This is an interesting point.  Say what you want about Insane Films as a 
whole, this one vlog was just pure porn.  In fact, they have tried to hide 
it and it might be blocked or not available on their site.  I found it 
through searching the Internet or through an aggregator.

This fellow might have been doing a documentary on auditions for a "gang 
bang movie" but the way he covered the activity (camera angles, etc) were in 
the best porn tradition.

I know that a couple institutional names were listed on the credits.  I'm 
sure they would be mortified if confronted publicly by some crusading 
anti-porn group.

Randolfe (Randy) Wicker

Videographer, Writer, Activist
Advisor: The Immortality Institute
Hoboken, NJ
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> On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 16:25:09 +0100, Jay dedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>> or traditional companies will start making feeds with bascially
>> advertisements.
>> youll have literally hundreds of feeds because every business must have
>> a voice.
>
> Not all company (video)blogs are evil.
>
>> How will i know to find Human Dog if its surrounding by commercials and
>> crap?
>
> You can always try humandog.com without the dash (kids: it's not safe for
> work).
>
>> anyone with a brian knows that insanefilms.com is not a porn
>> vloghe just happened to film a gang bang audition once for a
>> school project. (look in the archive. its pretty amazing)
>
> They have... auditions...?
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Re: [videoblogging] Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.

2005-12-02 Thread Jay dedman 
> companies in the US have a very bad reputation for making content that
> is authentic or useful.

let me rephrase.
"companies in the US have a very bad reputation for making content that
is not authentic or useful."

>usually they add their "image/concept content"
> to popular entertainment.
> I must look at their content in the subway car when i ride to work. I
> got to see their content on every phone booth. I hear it in the cab's
> radio between the news updates. i got to see it when i read the
> magazine and newspaper.  Their content is the TV.
> and what do i gain from their content?

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Re: [videoblogging] Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.

2005-12-02 Thread Jay dedman 
I need to learn how to speak about my feelings of commercialization in
the media.
it never quite comes out right.
nothing wrong with busness and profit and money...
what is wrong is the amount of negative influence, explotation, and
lack of respect for the community for which a company lives in.
but as my punk upbringing has taught me: "its not what they sell, its
what we buy."

> Thinking that companies will push out feeds of the 30 second commercials
> you see on tv is a little silly. No company is that fucking stupid (well,
> there'll be two and then it'll backfire and there'll be none).

i meant more the spam blogs. just like a majority of email is
spam...my fear is that youll see feeds full of little commercials for
whatever spam 'sells'.

but as Sull mentioned, i can see tradtional companies sponsoring
videoblogs that are entertaining or informattive.
The Circuit City Tech Review where two cool, alternative hosts talk
about the latest camcorders.


> I keep seeing this latent assumption that if a company is behind a
> (video)blog then they don't have anything worthwhile to say. It's just not
> true. Of course you have to let the company know when they fuck up (if
> they start sending 30 commercial clips out and calling it a vlog), but
> this idea that as a company they can't make vlogs is just annoying to no
> end.

companies in the US have a very bad reputation for making content that
is authentic or useful. usually they add their "image/concept content"
to popular entertainment.
I must look at their content in the subway car when i ride to work. I
got to see their content on every phone booth. I hear it in the cab's
radio between the news updates. i got to see it when i read the
magazine and newspaper.  Their content is the TV.
and what do i gain from their content?

i cant think the last time a large US company made a piece of content
that was worthwhile.
when they do, ill be the first to subscribe.
andreas, i hope there is a turning point here and companies will begin
to create/sponsor material that is useful.

jay


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Re: [videoblogging] Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.

2005-12-02 Thread Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen 
On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 17:10:10 +0100, Jay dedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:

>> Not all company (video)blogs are evil.
>
> im not making a judgement on the products...i just dont want my time
> hijacked by watching commercials.

Thinking that companies will push out feeds of the 30 second commercials  
you see on tv is a little silly. No company is that fucking stupid (well,  
there'll be two and then it'll backfire and there'll be none).

I'll take three of the latest Danish corporate blogs as examples. They're  
not videoblogs, but the point is the same.

  - Arken is a Danish museum. Their blog is written by a handful of  
employees and they write about what goes on at a museum and other  
art-related matters. It's a company, but why shouldn't they be listed in  
an "Art" category? Their blog is at: http://arken.blogs.com/arken_blog/ >

  - The Danish Patent and Trademark Office opened a weblog http://www.dkpto.dk/weblog/ > where 17 out of their 240 knowledge workers  
blog about matters related to intellectual property laws. Why shouldn't  
they be included in a "Legal" category alongside the private lawyer?

  - Arla, the most evil Danish corporation (they have something like 90% of  
the milk production in Denmark), started three weblogs. One is authored by  
a farmer and his wife. They blog about life on the farm and how it is to  
be a part of that big a corporation (actually every farmer is a co-owner).  
Why shouldn't they be listed under "Farm life" on equal terms with the  
indie farmer? http://www.arla.dk/weblogs/baekgaarden >

I keep seeing this latent assumption that if a company is behind a  
(video)blog then they don't have anything worthwhile to say. It's just not  
true. Of course you have to let the company know when they fuck up (if  
they start sending 30 commercial clips out and calling it a vlog), but  
this idea that as a company they can't make vlogs is just annoying to no  
end.

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Re: [videoblogging] Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.

2005-12-02 Thread Jay dedman 
> Not all company (video)blogs are evil.

im not making a judgement on the products...i just dont want my time
hijacked by watching commercials.

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Re: [videoblogging] Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.

2005-12-02 Thread Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen 
On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 16:25:09 +0100, Jay dedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:

> or traditional companies will start making feeds with bascially  
> advertisements.
> youll have literally hundreds of feeds because every business must have  
> a voice.

Not all company (video)blogs are evil.

> How will i know to find Human Dog if its surrounding by commercials and  
> crap?

You can always try humandog.com without the dash (kids: it's not safe for  
work).

> anyone with a brian knows that insanefilms.com is not a porn
> vloghe just happened to film a gang bang audition once for a
> school project. (look in the archive. its pretty amazing)

They have... auditions...?

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