Re: [videoblogging] Re: My hellos

[Pete Prodoehl]

Christian Wach wrote:
> On 15 Nov 2005, at 17:10, Pete Prodoehl wrote:

>>You could write code that allows people to subscribe to a feed that
>>spits out a new item every X number of days. Give each user a  
>>unique URL
>>so they can control the experience and get the 'trickle effect' you  
>>are
>>after.
> 
> 
> Cheers, Pete, that's the conclusion I came to as well. I've not heard  
> of a
> service that offers this, but it wouldn't be rocket-science to build  
> it. I
> guess that's what I'll have to do.


Ah, the service I was thinking of is podiobooks.com

Despite the "books" and focus on "podcasting" I assume they just 
serialize and RSS feed much like you want... But check the FAQ to be sure:

   http://www.podiobooks.com/about.php

Pete

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: My hellos

[Christian Wach]

On 15 Nov 2005, at 17:10, Pete Prodoehl wrote:

> Christian Wach wrote:
>>
>> There is an RSS 2.0 feed available for the 2002 blog, but what's the
>> point? It will never change again. I could provide an XML file  
>> with the
>> entire blog history, but that wouldn't replicate the experience  
>> that I
>> like most about the vlog - the excitement of the intermittent  
>> appearance
>> of content when I launch my client app.
>
> You could write code that allows people to subscribe to a feed that
> spits out a new item every X number of days. Give each user a  
> unique URL
> so they can control the experience and get the 'trickle effect' you  
> are
> after.

Cheers, Pete, that's the conclusion I came to as well. I've not heard  
of a
service that offers this, but it wouldn't be rocket-science to build  
it. I
guess that's what I'll have to do.

In fact, after a bit of thought, I realised that I could set the  
original
feed going again with a four year offset, and that this would have an
unexpected benefit - people subscribed to both the 2006 feed and the  
2002
feed would be able to compare the journeys "side-by-side". So, they'd  
get
a video from, say, Kazahkstan in 2002 and one from Calais in 2006 on the
same day...

Bests,

Christian


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Re: [videoblogging] Re: My hellos

[Christian Wach]

On 15 Nov 2005, at 15:39, Joshua Seiden wrote:

> I set out to start a multimedia blog to explore the idea that when  
> you present content in a given context, the content itself is  
> changed when you change the context. And though I was thinking  
> multimedia, the path of least resistance with the current tools led  
> me to a video blog. Nothing wrong with that. But it's not a  
> "multimedia blog."

Yes, indeed, Josh! That's was exactly the point I was trying to make  
- although I'm not claiming to know what a "multimedia blog" is. At  
best, I'd say that I'm trying to explore the parameters - in the hope  
that, out of my experiments, and thos eof others, something coherent  
takes shape. Like you, I'm here because I want to be aware of the  
development of blogs with media other than text as the "entry point"  
to the material.

> For example, take a look at my post called "Annotation."  more3.blogspot.com/2005/11/annotation-roll-um-easy.html> In this  
> post, I took an MP3 of a song I like, imported it into a movie, and  
> used the titling capability (of iMovie) to present a textual  
> commentary about the song that runs as the song plays.

Sweet!

> It's encoded as video, so of course the search engines have no idea  
> what's going on in the clip. Another file format would allow the  
> underlying MP3 to expose it's metadata--when you search for this  
> song or the band, search engines could find the post. Similarly,  
> another file format could expose the text in the titles sequences  
> that I used (as a hack) to provide commentary.

And perhaps another format still might give some sense of the  
synchronisation of the text with the music. Some of the single words  
you use on-screen would carry far less meaning without the music  
that's playing at the time they're being displayed. I suppose SMIL  
was intended for this kind of thing, but it does not seem to have  
been widely adopted.

> The point is that if we were really building a storytelling medium,  
> we would conceive of the building blocks in a different manner. But  
> the video blog--as cool as it is--is only secondarily a  
> storytelling medium.

It's early days for all the varieties of the blog format (I read  
somewhere that, even now, only a small percentage of the population  
knows what a blog is) and it's my hope that exploring the boundaries  
of the form may lead to something that does allow us to tell the  
stories of the future in ways which go beyond the current hype  
surrounding one form or another.

Bests,

Christian


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Re: [videoblogging] Re: My hellos

[Adam Quirk]

On 11/15/05, Pete Prodoehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




I think I've even heard of a service that does this for podcasts which 
are 'complete' in a series sense, like yours is.I read this on Boingboing a while back too.  Anyone remember the name of the service?  It was being used to deliver an audio book, I believe.  
I tried searching but came up empty.  They need tags, dammit.





  
  
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: My hellos

[Pete Prodoehl]

Christian Wach wrote:
> 
> There is an RSS 2.0 feed available for the 2002 blog, but what's the
> point? It will never change again. I could provide an XML file with the
> entire blog history, but that wouldn't replicate the experience that I
> like most about the vlog - the excitement of the intermittent appearance
> of content when I launch my client app.

You could write code that allows people to subscribe to a feed that 
spits out a new item every X number of days. Give each user a unique URL 
so they can control the experience and get the 'trickle effect' you are 
after.

I think I've even heard of a service that does this for podcasts which 
are 'complete' in a series sense, like yours is.

Pete

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: My hellos

[Joshua Seiden]

> What puts me off is that those client apps do not do justice to the> variety of media that can be combined in any particular post - they> concentrate 'too much' on the video. I realise that statement may
> sound paradoxical, but I don't really want a single medium to dominate> the delivery of my digital stories.
 
This is a really intersting post Christian. One of the reasons I started videoblogging (about a month ago) was that I was frustrated by the text-centric nature of the blogosphere, and frustrated by the way RSS readers decontexualize the "content" of a blog. 

 
Many in the web community view RSS as a boon for users: Some folks claim that with RSS, users now have complete control of their experience of "content," and can consume and package your content to suit their needs. 

 
My perspective is perhaps less rosy: RSS users can see some of your work, but in a presentation context controlled by the RSS reader. This changes the exprerience--maybe for better, maybe for worse, but certainly changed.

 
I set out to start a multimedia blog to explore the idea that when you present content in a given context, the content itself is changed when you change the context. And though I was thinking multimedia, the path of least resistance with the current tools led me to a video blog. Nothing wrong with that. But it's not a "multimedia blog." 

 
A multimedia blog would not bias one medium over another, because the readers and agregators and social bookmark managers and tag managers would see into the content in a deep way. They can't do that now, because of the infrastructure that's emerged to date. 

 
For example, take a look at my post called "Annotation."  In this post, I took an MP3 of a song I like, imported it into a movie, and used the titling capability (of iMovie) to present a textual commentary about the song that runs as the song plays. 

 
It's encoded as video, so of course the search engines have no idea what's going on in the clip. Another file format would allow the underlying MP3 to expose it's metadata--when you search for this song or the band, search engines could find the post. Similarly, another file format could expose the text in the titles sequences that I used (as a hack) to provide commentary.

 
The point is that if we were really building a storytelling medium, we would conceive of the building blocks in a different manner. But the video blog--as cool as it is--is only secondarily a storytelling medium. 
 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: My hellos

[Christian Wach]

On 14 Nov 2005, at 18:48, Steve Watkins wrote:

> Greetings, welcome, thanks for the intro :)

Cheers Steve - a warm and thoughtful welcome!

> The way I see it this problem comes from the fact that videoblogging
> is sort of using technology that originally caught on for podcasting.

Yup, that seems like the root of the issue to me too. It's both the
strength and the weakness of the vlog form as defined by video+rss.

With the Spirit of Football, I've been looking after a "video-blog"
for almost four years. It has 70-odd entries totalling almost two hours
of video vignettes which were added over a four month period in 2002.
As you can imagine, I've had a lot of time to contemplate the latter
stages in the life-cycle of a blog - what happens to one when it falls
silent.

The Spirit of Football is perhaps unusual for a video-blog in that the
story has a beginning and an end - most vlogs seem like Finnegan's Wake
to me - beginning and ending in mid-sentence. To complicate matters,  
it's
also episodic on a larger scale than the single post - it happens every
four years.

I've been wondering - how can I share my expired video-blog with other
video-bloggers through the apps that they are (becoming) accustomed to
using? After all, it *was* a video blog once.

There is an RSS 2.0 feed available for the 2002 blog, but what's the
point? It will never change again. I could provide an XML file with the
entire blog history, but that wouldn't replicate the experience that I
like most about the vlog - the excitement of the intermittent appearance
of content when I launch my client app.

Furthermore, nothing seems to resist meaningful searchability like  
video.
All blogs generate archives, but I have yet to see any system that
adequately archives video. I suppose I'd just like to see some joined-up
thinking about the life-cycle of blogs, whatever the flavour.

> I think of podcasts again when I think of the possible workarounds. If
> I did a podcast I think Id be quite happy if most people were just
> gtting it via aggregation and the only regular content they got from
> me was this. If they want a fuller experience or to give feedback or
> whatever, they go to the website (after theyve learnt from the podcast
> that theres something theyre interested in in this entry/episode).

These are good times in many ways. People have (sort of) accepted that a
blog/podcast/vlog has a certain form and their proliferation is  
partially
due to this emergent consensus. Which is nice :)

> If I was doing a blog that regularily made use of multiple entries per
> post & lots of mixed media, maybe I wouldnt look at full content
> aggregation at all, just a feed without enclosures.

My inclination is to allow as many different ways of accessing the
material as I can - throw 'em all into the mix and see what emerges. I
imagine that the RDF/RSS and other metadata specs will evolve - along
with the capabilities of the devices and software that are designed to
read them. I look forward to reading about many of those developments
right here.

Bests,

Christian
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Current Location: Bristol, UK
Football: http://spiritoffootball.com
Homepage: http://haystack.co.uk


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