Re: [videoblogging] Re: Veoh ** We are hearing you loud and clear
I honestly don't know how this can be made right.First thing, though, stop spidering immediately. Remove all unclaimed feeds at once. Not just the feeds of those who discover what you are doing. All of them. Doing those things could go a long way in showing your intentions.On 4/7/06, dmitry_veoh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Anne,I undertand your frustration, but I assure you we are not doing this to inflate numbers.We are just trying to create a good service.Iagree that this is serious business, but I think that our intent is inline with video bloggers; to help people communicate.Maybe these will help clear things up a bit: http://veoh.com/videoDetails.html?v=e45222y74PgXDwhttp://veoh.com/videoDetails.html?v=e53117YBnkkPyp We should have spent time in this group, but unfortunately we havebeen understaffed, and time just got away from us.I am here now, andI am listening to you.I want to do whatever it takes to make things right.I hope that you take me up on that offer.What can I do to makethings right?Dmitry--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Anne Walk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dmitry, Thankyou for responding to the group. I have a few questions and comments about this whole situation. I simply cannot see how taking video without the maker's knowledge or consent, creating a series with it, linking back to your own site,using no attribution whatsoever and implicating them as members of yourcommunity is a compelling service for video producers. I think it is, however, a compelling service to Veoh as it gives an artificial inflation of your numbers which, I'm sure, is quitehelpful when looking for VC funding for your company. In your terms of service, you spell out your own copyright for thesite. How would you feel about a company that decided it wanted to help youavoid the costs of running your site by sucking the content out of it and hosting it on their own site without your knowledge or consent. They could thendrive your traffic to them, thereby saving you the costs associated with bandwidth. I'm sure that you wouldn't perceive it as helpful though, would you? If you truly thought that what you were doing was helpful, you mighthave come in here before now and told us what a marvelous job you were doing helping us all and encouraging us to come claim our feeds. Instead, we find out accidentally and now you are here to tell us that it's for ourown good and that you are helping us. Not cool. Not legal. Not helpful. Sorry if this sounds harsh but this is serious business. On 4/7/06, dmitry_veoh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you for approving me for this group. I wanted all of you to know that I am reading these messages and hear you loud and clear. It is not our intention to steal anyone's content.We are simply trying to create a compelling service for video producers of all kinds, with a big focus on enabling video bloggers to be free of restrictions to broadcast.In fact, we did consider simply creating a site where we would link to videoblogs, but felt that this may cause you to experiencesignificant costs.The reason we transcode the content is to offload those costs from you to us.Maybe this is not the right thing to do.We are open to your comments, and will obey your wishes. Please forgive us if you are one of the people that feel that we have gone about this the wrong way, we will make changes to accommodate your preferences.We did not mean to infringe on anyone's rights, we simply tried to make it simple for people to find your videos in a single place.This is an evolutionary process, and we are working on refining it.We would greatly appreciate your help in making Veoh a great citizen of the video blogging world. For those of you that will be attending VloggerCon 2006, you will have a chance to meet a few of us there, as we are going to be sponsoring the event, and will throw a party afterwards. I encourage you to give us the benefit of the doubt that we are the good guys.We will do ANYTHING to prove that to you, really. I will personally make sure that anyone that wants their feed off of our system gets a quick response to their wishes. Dmitry Shapiro CEO Veoh Networks, Inc. 619-602-3305 cell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links -- Anne Walk http://loadedpun.comYahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Veoh ** We are hearing you loud and clear
Hello,On 4/7/06, dmitry_veoh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anne,I undertand your frustration, but I assure you we are not doing thisto inflate numbers.We are just trying to create a good service.Iagree that this is serious business, but I think that our intent is in line with video bloggers; to help people communicate.Maybe these will help clear things up a bit:http://veoh.com/videoDetails.html?v=e45222y74PgXDw http://veoh.com/videoDetails.html?v=e53117YBnkkPyp(Sorry for getting off topic, but)Is there any way I can watch the whole video without having to signup for an account? (I have a pet-peeve against signing up for accounts everywhere.) See ya-- Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc. charles @ reptile.ca supercanadian @ gmail.com developer weblog: http://ChangeLog.ca/___ Make Televisionhttp://maketelevision.com/ SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Veoh ** We are hearing you loud and clear
Er Um My husband sells adult DVDs over the Internet. He's a very above-the-board businessman, which is why we don't live in a mansion in Beverly Hills. But, yeah. Porn servers tend to buy more bandwidth than they need. So I use some. Just so it doesn't go to waste, you understand. --Stephanie On 4/7/06, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *blink* *blink**blink*... rubs eyes *blink* *blink*... David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Stephanie Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My videos are hosted on a porn server-- Stephanie Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blogs, vlogs, and audioblogs at: http://www.mortaine.com/blogs Yahoo! Groups Links -- Stephanie Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blogs, vlogs, and audioblogs at: http://www.mortaine.com/blogs Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [videoblogging] Re: Veoh ** We are hearing you loud and clear
From: dmitry_veoh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Veoh ** We are hearing you loud and clear Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 04:56:03 - Anne, I undertand your frustration, but I assure you we are not doing this to inflate numbers. then why are you doing this? We are just trying to create a good service.(so you can sell it for good money some day?) how come blip isnt doing it this way?( i love blip,they have allways been on the up and up with me .they told me they want to make money from me.not like you saying that your doing this for sosal change come on) i hope blip make tones of monney from my shit, for they have been nothing but honist and up forward with us all. I agree that this is serious business, but I think that our intent is in line with video bloggers; to help people communicate.(and make money off of stuff that dont belong to ya) no your intent is to make lots of money some day,thats why your paying to host and for bandwith, dont bullshit a bullshitter.you can candy coat your intencions all you want but come down to the bottom line and its all aubot money (where is my share??) Maybe these will help clear things up a bit: http://veoh.com/videoDetails.html?v=e45222y74PgXDw i got to sighn in to see this come on, the more people sighn in the more money you make?? thats what i need some more people making money from me that ill never see http://veoh.com/videoDetails.html?v=e53117YBnkkPyp We should have spent time in this group, but unfortunately we have been understaffed, and time just got away from us. (your too busy to keep copyrited shit off your site? come on our media and blip does it I am here now , and I am listening to you. I want to do whatever it takes to make things right. you want to make it right?? take down all the shit that does not belong to YOU. ie all the tv copy rite stuff, all the stuff that poeple shouldnt be uploading like tv programs. i cant dl them with bit torrents but its ok for me to get it off your site eh?you want to make room for the little guy but youll put up with big time tv content? I hope that you take me up on that offer. What can I do to make things right? make a email thingie that lets people know that you STLONEN there work. make a coment thing that goes to my email when some one puts a coment up on my work,a link back to my site,a stat counter that works with the site that you stole your stuff from,share the welth, i dont know maybe something like asking before you steal someting i think my cousion will be intrestedin this. you have some of his stuff on your site(guess what it is youll never figger it out so just take it all down , he coppy rites all his stuff(even tho i tr to get him to post cc). he is a bit anail aubot stuff like this(and lots of other stuff). he likes to feal in controll of his work, and btw he is a layor and kind of a pirck.(hes probly going to sue you for giggles and kicks( it wont cost him much to draw up pappers hell i think its kinda of a hobby of his) i like to get kissed before i get fucked randy Dmitry --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Anne Walk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dmitry, Thankyou for responding to the group. I have a few questions and comments about this whole situation. I simply cannot see how taking video without the maker's knowledge or consent, creating a series with it, linking back to your own site, using no attribution whatsoever and implicating them as members of your community is a compelling service for video producers. I think it is, however, a compelling service to Veoh as it gives an artificial inflation of your numbers which, I'm sure, is quite helpful when looking for VC funding for your company. In your terms of service, you spell out your own copyright for the site. How would you feel about a company that decided it wanted to help you avoid the costs of running your site by sucking the content out of it and hosting it on their own site without your knowledge or consent. They could then drive your traffic to them, thereby saving you the costs associated with bandwidth. I'm sure that you wouldn't perceive it as helpful though, would you? If you truly thought that what you were doing was helpful, you might have come in here before now and told us what a marvelous job you were doing helping us all and encouraging us to come claim our feeds. Instead, we find out accidentally and now you are here to tell us that it's for our own good and that you are helping us. Not cool. Not legal. Not helpful. Sorry if this sounds harsh but this is serious business. On 4/7/06, dmitry_veoh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you for approving me for this group. I wanted all of you to know that I am reading these messages and hear you loud and clear. It is not our intention to steal anyone's content
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Veoh ** We are hearing you loud and clear
It is in our marketing group's to-do list, and is on my calendar. I have already approved the budget for the terabyte sponsorship. From the vloggercon web site -- Vloggercon needs sponsorships to keep the price of the conference down– we aren't a bunch of Hollywood Fat Cats, y'know. We are the personal media revolution. Vloggercon is on a mission: to raise $20,000 for NODE101. This money will help fund small groups to spread the word about personal media and videoblogging. Your sponsorship is needed for us to achieve this goal– think about the children! We would like to contribute to the cause. Are you one of the organizers? Do you not want us to sponsor? For the record, Veoh's PR people sent an email earlier this week to get details on Vloggercon sponsorship. nothing has been finalized yet. As to this whole thread, I think people want to see a quick solution. It should not be our responsibility to claim feeds or email Veoh if we want our work taken down. either stop spidering and delete work that was not volunarily submitted... or add obvious linkbacks to each entry. Jay -- Adventures in Videoblogging http://www.momentshowing.net http://FireAnt.tv http://node101.org Cell: 917 371 6790 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Veoh ** We are hearing you loud and clear
Adding linkbacks to the entries is not enough. The issue is rehosting content that you do not have permission to rehost and assuming it falls under your own terms of use (as though it were willfully uploaded by a consenting user who has chosen to opt in to the service). This denies traffic from the original creators who otherwise have no idea their content is being rehosted by a commercial service. Also those original creators may not agree to the terms of use put forth by Veoh (even if not many people read those things, they're pretty important. If I didn't sign up for the service, I don't expect to have to opt out of their terms). -Josh On 4/8/06, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is in our marketing group's to-do list, and is on my calendar. I have already approved the budget for the terabyte sponsorship. From the vloggercon web site -- Vloggercon needs sponsorships to keep the price of the conference down– we aren't a bunch of Hollywood Fat Cats, y'know. We are the personal media revolution. Vloggercon is on a mission: to raise $20,000 for NODE101. This money will help fund small groups to spread the word about personal media and videoblogging. Your sponsorship is needed for us to achieve this goal– think about the children! We would like to contribute to the cause. Are you one of the organizers? Do you not want us to sponsor? For the record, Veoh's PR people sent an email earlier this week to get details on Vloggercon sponsorship. nothing has been finalized yet. As to this whole thread, I think people want to see a quick solution. It should not be our responsibility to claim feeds or email Veoh if we want our work taken down. either stop spidering and delete work that was not volunarily submitted... or add obvious linkbacks to each entry. Jay -- Adventures in Videoblogging http://www.momentshowing.net http://FireAnt.tv http://node101.org Cell: 917 371 6790 Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Veoh ** We are hearing you loud and clear
hi Jay,I don't agree that adding obvious linkback is a solution because Veoh is a social site with memberships, ratings, profiles, friends, etc. I do not like the implication that I am a member of a community because my stuff was spidered into it. Linking back may give a means to finding my site from within the Veoh community but it does not remove that implication. The answer, to me, is to stop spidering and remove any and all unclaimed feeds. And to not do it again.If people want to become a member of the Veoh community, they can choose to.anne On 4/8/06, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is in our marketing group's to-do list, and is on my calendar.I have already approved the budget for the terabyte sponsorship. From the vloggercon web site -- Vloggercon needs sponsorships to keep the price of the conference down– we aren't a bunch of Hollywood Fat Cats, y'know. We are the personal media revolution. Vloggercon is on a mission: to raise $20,000 for NODE101. This money will help fund small groups to spread the word about personal media and videoblogging. Your sponsorship is needed for us to achieve this goal– think about the children! We would like to contribute to the cause. Are you one of the organizers?Do you not want us to sponsor? For the record, Veoh's PR people sent an email earlier this week toget details on Vloggercon sponsorship.nothing has been finalizedyet.As to this whole thread, I think people want to see a quick solution. It should not be our responsibility to claim feeds or email Veoh if wewant our work taken down.either stop spidering and delete work that was not volunarily submitted...or add obvious linkbacks to each entry. Jay--Adventures in Videoblogginghttp://www.momentshowing.nethttp://FireAnt.tv http://node101.orgCell: 917 371 6790Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Veoh ** We are hearing you loud and clear
On 4/8/06, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adding linkbacks to the entries is not enough. The issue is rehosting content that you do not have permission to rehost and assuming it falls under your own terms of use Exactly. Here's what I want to see Veoh do: 1) Stop spidering feeds today (and I mean today). Just turn it off for a few weeks while this gets figured out. 2) Remove ALL videos you gathered by spidering. Only add videos back in if the feed owner claims the feed and gives permission for that. Transcoding and hosting should be opt-in. I think that's clear. That's my stand on this right now. Peter -- http://mefeedia.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Veoh ** We are hearing you loud and clear
Adding link-backs is not the point. If you are extending such and offer to Veoh please make it clear it's not representative of an agreement by any class copyrightholders who may be vloggers on this list and your own personal offer. On Apr 8, 2006, at 12:52 PM, Jay dedman wrote: It is in our marketing group's to-do list, and is on my calendar. I have already approved the budget for the terabyte sponsorship. From the vloggercon web site -- Vloggercon needs sponsorships to keep the price of the conference down– we aren't a bunch of Hollywood Fat Cats, y'know. We are the personal media revolution. Vloggercon is on a mission: to raise $20,000 for NODE101. This money will help fund small groups to spread the word about personal media and videoblogging. Your sponsorship is needed for us to achieve this goal– think about the children! We would like to contribute to the cause. Are you one of the organizers? Do you not want us to sponsor? For the record, Veoh's PR people sent an email earlier this week to get details on Vloggercon sponsorship. nothing has been finalized yet. As to this whole thread, I think people want to see a quick solution. It should not be our responsibility to claim feeds or email Veoh if we want our work taken down. either stop spidering and delete work that was not volunarily submitted... or add obvious linkbacks to each entry. Jay -- Adventures in Videoblogging http://www.momentshowing.net http://FireAnt.tv http://node101.org Cell: 917 371 6790 Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Veoh ** We are hearing you loud and clear
that's weird. i'm waiting to see how this all shakes out before i decide if i want my feeds removed. i think i'm happy for it to be there as long as there is proper attribution and link backs. -eddie On Sat, Apr 08, 2006 at 10:51:23AM -0700, Enric wrote: !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN html head meta content=text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1 http-equiv=Content-Type title/title /head body bgcolor=#ff text=#00 tt This is almost funny.nbsp; You've assigned jibber jabber: the eddie underworld to my account.nbsp; This is Eddie Codel's feed, a class=moz-txt-link-freetext href=http://eddie.com/;http://eddie.com//a amp;nbsp; a class=moz-txt-link-freetext href=http://blip.tv/users/view/ekai;http://blip.tv/users/view/ekai/a , not mine.nbsp; Please remove this immediately from my account and you should also remove pulling his feed into veoh.nbsp; The best thing to do is just remove all feeds you have spidered without permission from blip.tv and other sources. br br nbsp; -- Enricbr nbsp; -===-br nbsp; a class=moz-txt-link-freetext href=http://www.cirne.com;http://www.cirne.com/abr br tedunning wrote: blockquote cite=[EMAIL PROTECTED] type=cite pre wrap=Enric, I just short-circuited the claiming process and assigned this vlog to you along with all videos in it. (and in the process finally twigged to the fact that cirne is enric backwards... I guess I am focussing elsewhere just now) Let me know if you want to change anything on that vlog. You can reach me directly at 858 414 0013. --- In a class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href=mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com;videoblogging@yahoogroups.com/a, Enric a class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt;/a wrote: /pre blockquote type=cite pre wrap=I sent an email on my videos for Cirne and got the series ID to claim it. I replied that my other vlog, Tech Alley ( a class=moz-txt-link-freetext href=http://techalley.cirne.com/;http://techalley.cirne.com//a ) , is also showing up on veoh and how to get the series id to claim it. A samples is this: /pre /blockquote pre wrap=!a class=moz-txt-link-freetext href=http://www.veoh.com/videoDetails.html?v=e13718feature=1numResults=20likeVideo=e13854;http://www.veoh.com/videoDetails.html?v=e13718amp;feature=1amp;numResults=20amp;likeVideo=e13854/a /pre blockquote type=cite pre wrap=ttp://tinyurl.com/rqom9 If I can't claim my vlogs entries, please remove them. -- Enric /pre /blockquote pre wrap=! /pre /blockquote br /tt !-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| -- brbr div style=width:500px; text-align:right; margin-bottom:1px; color:#909090; ttSPONSORED LINKS/tt /div table bgcolor=#e0ecee cellspacing=13 cellpadding=0 width=500px tr valign=top td style=width:25%; tta href=http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Fireantw1=Fireantw2=Individualw3=Usec=3s=38.sig=hfs_5_0lBhh4r_ghxepr0w;Fireant/a/tt /td td style=width:25%; tta href=http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Individualw1=Fireantw2=Individualw3=Usec=3s=38.sig=GUaJZU-r1JDlLAUOsMLl8g;Individual/a/tt /td td style=width:25%; tta href=http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Usew1=Fireantw2=Individualw3=Usec=3s=38.sig=LXDZ5r7JrGSXuirwFdbEXw;Use/a/tt /td /tr /tr /table !-- |**|end egp html banner|**| -- !-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| -- br div style=text-align:center; color:#909090; width:500px; hr style=border-bottom:1px; width:500px; text-align:left; ttYAHOO! GROUPS LINKS/tt /div br ul ttli type=squarenbsp;Visit your group a href=http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging;videoblogging/a on the web.brnbsp;/tt ttli type=squarenbsp;To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:brnbsp;a href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]/abrnbsp;/tt ttli type=squarenbsp;Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the a href=http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/;Yahoo! Terms of Service/a./tt /ul br div style=text-align:center; color:#909090; width:500px; hr style=border-bottom:1px; width:500px; text-align:left; /div /br !-- |**|end egp html banner|**| -- /body /html Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
