Re: [videoblogging] Re: Vlogging with Flash

[Joshua Kinberg]

that's true. Adobe does own Macromedia.
Not sure what changes you're expecting though.

-J


On 1/13/06, Devlon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I heard that Adobe bought Macromedia
> (http://tinyurl.com/dsd82)...maybe they'll change it up a bit?
>
> On 1/13/06, Joshua Kinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >  commercial use of this stuff ain't cheap.
> >  I've looked into it too. Depends though.. everything's a negotiation.
> >  Its certainly less expensive to license this encoding technology on
> >  the server side (one license) than to do so for a client side
> >  application (license to distribute multiple copies).
> >
> >  -Josh
> >
> >
> >
> >  On 1/13/06, Enric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >  > I talked to the videoEgg people at the Meet the Vloggers in San
> >  > Francisco on Monday 1/9/06.  I was you can license the Flash
> >  > encoding technology from ON2.  That there's a developer version for
> >  > $50 and a much more expensive license for commercial release:
> >  >
> >  > http://www.on2.com/developer/flash8sdk/
> >  >
> >  > So encoding, playing and new features are allowed by Macromedia
> >  > through those who make the encoding with a license purchase.
> >  >
> >  >   -- Enric
> >  >   -==-
> >  >   http://www.cirne.com
> >  >   Determine Media
> >  >
> >  > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> >  > >
> >  > > > We've been through this before. I distribute my SWF files via RSS
> >  > without
> >  > > > trouble. They get downloaded plenty.
> >  > >
> >  > > deirdre...maybe the better way to put it is this.
> >  > > Flash is a fine format..and can be distributed in RSS feeds.
> >  > > but Macromedia needs to do some education if they want it used by
> >  > creators.
> >  > >
> >  > > For the most part, Flash is being used to "protect" video...and most
> >  > > video services using flash do not let the Flash be downloaded through
> >  > > feeds.
> >  > > (see Youtube.com)
> >  > >
> >  > > Flash also cannot take advantage of syncing to devices until a Flash
> >  > > iPod is created or transcoding becomes common.
> >  > >
> >  > > Flash is also not the easiest to create. it is not standard in most
> >  > > editing tools that i know of.
> >  > >
> >  > > Macromedia(which owns Flash) does prohibit encoding and playing in
> >  > flash format:
> >  > >
> > http://www.macromedia.com/licensing/developer/fileformat/faq/#item-1-8
> >  > >
> >  > > Q. Can I use the File Format Specification to create a SWF interpreter
> >  > > or player?
> >  > > A. No, the File Format Specification is provided for the specific
> >  > > purpose of enabling software applications to export to the Macromedia
> >  > > Flash File Format (SWF).
> >  > >
> >  > > Q.Can I use the File Format Specification to create a Flash Video
> >  > > encoder or a Flash Video streaming service?
> >  > > A. No, the File Format Specification is provided for the specific
> >  > > purpose of enabling software applications to export to the Macromedia
> >  > > Flash File Format (SWF).
> >  > >
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Vlogging with Flash

[Devlon]

I heard that Adobe bought Macromedia
(http://tinyurl.com/dsd82)...maybe they'll change it up a bit?

On 1/13/06, Joshua Kinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  commercial use of this stuff ain't cheap.
>  I've looked into it too. Depends though.. everything's a negotiation.
>  Its certainly less expensive to license this encoding technology on
>  the server side (one license) than to do so for a client side
>  application (license to distribute multiple copies).
>
>  -Josh
>
>
>
>  On 1/13/06, Enric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > I talked to the videoEgg people at the Meet the Vloggers in San
>  > Francisco on Monday 1/9/06.  I was you can license the Flash
>  > encoding technology from ON2.  That there's a developer version for
>  > $50 and a much more expensive license for commercial release:
>  >
>  > http://www.on2.com/developer/flash8sdk/
>  >
>  > So encoding, playing and new features are allowed by Macromedia
>  > through those who make the encoding with a license purchase.
>  >
>  >   -- Enric
>  >   -==-
>  >   http://www.cirne.com
>  >   Determine Media
>  >
>  > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > >
>  > > > We've been through this before. I distribute my SWF files via RSS
>  > without
>  > > > trouble. They get downloaded plenty.
>  > >
>  > > deirdre...maybe the better way to put it is this.
>  > > Flash is a fine format..and can be distributed in RSS feeds.
>  > > but Macromedia needs to do some education if they want it used by
>  > creators.
>  > >
>  > > For the most part, Flash is being used to "protect" video...and most
>  > > video services using flash do not let the Flash be downloaded through
>  > > feeds.
>  > > (see Youtube.com)
>  > >
>  > > Flash also cannot take advantage of syncing to devices until a Flash
>  > > iPod is created or transcoding becomes common.
>  > >
>  > > Flash is also not the easiest to create. it is not standard in most
>  > > editing tools that i know of.
>  > >
>  > > Macromedia(which owns Flash) does prohibit encoding and playing in
>  > flash format:
>  > >
> http://www.macromedia.com/licensing/developer/fileformat/faq/#item-1-8
>  > >
>  > > Q. Can I use the File Format Specification to create a SWF interpreter
>  > > or player?
>  > > A. No, the File Format Specification is provided for the specific
>  > > purpose of enabling software applications to export to the Macromedia
>  > > Flash File Format (SWF).
>  > >
>  > > Q.Can I use the File Format Specification to create a Flash Video
>  > > encoder or a Flash Video streaming service?
>  > > A. No, the File Format Specification is provided for the specific
>  > > purpose of enabling software applications to export to the Macromedia
>  > > Flash File Format (SWF).
>  > >
>  > > Jay
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Vlogging with Flash

[Joshua Kinberg]

commercial use of this stuff ain't cheap.
I've looked into it too. Depends though.. everything's a negotiation.
Its certainly less expensive to license this encoding technology on
the server side (one license) than to do so for a client side
application (license to distribute multiple copies).

-Josh


On 1/13/06, Enric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I talked to the videoEgg people at the Meet the Vloggers in San
> Francisco on Monday 1/9/06.  I was you can license the Flash
> encoding technology from ON2.  That there's a developer version for
> $50 and a much more expensive license for commercial release:
>
> http://www.on2.com/developer/flash8sdk/
>
> So encoding, playing and new features are allowed by Macromedia
> through those who make the encoding with a license purchase.
>
>   -- Enric
>   -==-
>   http://www.cirne.com
>   Determine Media
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > We've been through this before. I distribute my SWF files via RSS
> without
> > > trouble. They get downloaded plenty.
> >
> > deirdre...maybe the better way to put it is this.
> > Flash is a fine format..and can be distributed in RSS feeds.
> > but Macromedia needs to do some education if they want it used by
> creators.
> >
> > For the most part, Flash is being used to "protect" video...and most
> > video services using flash do not let the Flash be downloaded through
> > feeds.
> > (see Youtube.com)
> >
> > Flash also cannot take advantage of syncing to devices until a Flash
> > iPod is created or transcoding becomes common.
> >
> > Flash is also not the easiest to create. it is not standard in most
> > editing tools that i know of.
> >
> > Macromedia(which owns Flash) does prohibit encoding and playing in
> flash format:
> > http://www.macromedia.com/licensing/developer/fileformat/faq/#item-1-8
> >
> > Q. Can I use the File Format Specification to create a SWF interpreter
> > or player?
> > A. No, the File Format Specification is provided for the specific
> > purpose of enabling software applications to export to the Macromedia
> > Flash File Format (SWF).
> >
> > Q.Can I use the File Format Specification to create a Flash Video
> > encoder or a Flash Video streaming service?
> > A. No, the File Format Specification is provided for the specific
> > purpose of enabling software applications to export to the Macromedia
> > Flash File Format (SWF).
> >
> > Jay
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Vlogging with Flash

[Jay dedman]

> We've been through this before. I distribute my SWF files via RSS without
> trouble. They get downloaded plenty.

deirdre...maybe the better way to put it is this.
Flash is a fine format..and can be distributed in RSS feeds.
but Macromedia needs to do some education if they want it used by creators.

For the most part, Flash is being used to "protect" video...and most
video services using flash do not let the Flash be downloaded through
feeds.
(see Youtube.com)

Flash also cannot take advantage of syncing to devices until a Flash
iPod is created or transcoding becomes common.

Flash is also not the easiest to create. it is not standard in most
editing tools that i know of.

Macromedia(which owns Flash) does prohibit encoding and playing in flash format:
http://www.macromedia.com/licensing/developer/fileformat/faq/#item-1-8

Q. Can I use the File Format Specification to create a SWF interpreter
or player?
A. No, the File Format Specification is provided for the specific
purpose of enabling software applications to export to the Macromedia
Flash File Format (SWF).

Q.Can I use the File Format Specification to create a Flash Video
encoder or a Flash Video streaming service?
A. No, the File Format Specification is provided for the specific
purpose of enabling software applications to export to the Macromedia
Flash File Format (SWF).

Jay

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Vlogging with Flash

[Deirdre Straughan]

I don't know what magic I'm working (my process is kind of cobbled together), but it works. Most of the videos on my site are standalone SWFs created with Sorenson Squeeze and embedded on the page by DreamWeaver (you're welcome to view the code and see what's happening; I dunno). The SWFs are listed in my RSS feed and they download and play in FireANT, play in Google Reader, and have played in a few other readers whose names I don't now remember.
I have started using FLV files in a player on the web pages only for the last 2 or 3 videos I've published, because I like the control it gives the viewer. I still create an SWF and reference that (along with M4Vs) in my RSS feed.
Everybody has their preferences, but let's try to share accurate information about the pros and cons. It's true that Flash is not good (yet) for non-computer environments, and that it's not revloggable, but I solve those problems by posting most of my videos in several other formats as well. I just don't think there's a clear winner yet for a single format that's going to be good for everybody. It will be a long time before we can settle on a single compression standard, either - it's a constant compromise between quality and bandwidth.
As mentioned, I have had severe problems with some QuickTime files on some sites, and have had trouble installing QuickTime in various browsers; I always cringe when I have to install a new version. I wouldn't be surprised if the story was similar for WMV files on the Mac. 
On 1/12/06, Bill Streeter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I'm not saying it's impossible, it's just more complicated, sincethe SWF can be a separate file that won't necessarily work if it'sseparated from the FLV. Also there can be issues with RSSdistribution if a particular aggregator doesn't support Flash
playback natively (like iTunes). And then there is the problem oflack of support on portable handhelds like the PSP or the iPod,which is somewhat related to RSS as many users (myself included) usean aggregator not just for playback but to load the files on to the
portable. So like I said, it's not simple, which is not to say thatit can't be done.Bill StreeterLO-FI SAINT LOUISwww.lofistl.com-- best regards,
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Vlogging with Flash - nice pop-up generator!

[Joshua Kinberg]

Eh, whatever... I'll send this to the group.
Here's the php script (attached .txt file... just rename to .php).
Feel free to add in the embed code for SWF and FLV.
If you have any scripting experience this should be really straightforward.

Enjoy!

-Josh


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From: Joshua Kinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Jan 12, 2006 12:27 PM
Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Vlogging with Flash - nice pop-up generator!
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com


The PHP script is really simple. If you have any basic scripting
experience it should be a cake-walk. I was going to include it in the
Vlogging Hacks book, but then that got cancelled. It may be included
in one of the other Vlogging books that either Jay, or Ryanne and
Verdi are working on.

I can send it to you offlist... I haven't looked at it in a while and
I don't really have time to provide much support.

-Josh


On 1/12/06, Joe Chapuis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Josh --
>
> I like that pop-up generator!
>
> I switched from QT to Flash 8 as my primary format,
> but I'd like to offer other options via pop-up windows.
> Your solution is just what I was thinking about.
>
> Is the PHP script available?
>
> Thanks...
> joe
> http://www.hotbizz.com
>
>
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Joshua Kinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> >
> > I think the whole argument that Flash has the most ubiquity is a bit of a
> myth.
> > Rocketboom has always been embedded Quicktime. They have a huge daily
> audience.
> > No one ever complains that they can't see the Quicktime video. Of
> > course they provide other formats too because some people prefer them.
> > Honestly, the myth that Quicktime isn't supported is more because
> > people use Internet Explorer on Windows, which sort of sabotages
> > Quicktime playback (it will not "fast start" quicktime unless it is
> > properly embedded in an HTML page). My answer to this is to use pop-up
> > windows with the video embedded, and I wrote a simple code generator
> > so that people can do it easily:
> >
> > http://joshkinberg.com/popupmaker
> >
> > Try it, enter the URL of a video file, add some of the other info if
> > you want and watch what happens. The link will pop up a small window
> > with the video embedded. It works for Windows Media too. I could
> > probably add FLV support as well, just haven't taken the time to do
> > it.
> >
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Video


body {
background-color: #00;
text-align: center;
margin: 0px;
padding: 0px;
color:#CC;
font-size:12px;
font-family: Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif;
}

a {
font-size:12px;
color:#CC;
text-decoration:none;
}

a:hover {
text-decoration: underline;
}

#video {
height: 100%;
margin: auto;
padding: 15px; auto;
}






http://www.apple.com/qtactivex/qtplugin.cab";>




http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/";>


END;
break;

case "wmv":
case "avi":
$height = $height + 46;
$html =<<http://activex.microsoft.com/activex/controls/mplayer/en/nsmp2inf.cab#Version=6,4,7,1112";
standby="Loading..."
type="application/x-mplayer2">



http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/MediaPlayer/"; 
width="$width" height="$height" 
showControls="true" showTracker="true"
src="$url">


END;
break;

case "swf":

break;
case "flv":

break;
}

echo $html;
echo "";
/*
echo "Resize: 320x340 | 640x480";
*/
?>

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Vlogging with Flash - nice pop-up generator!

[Joshua Kinberg]

The PHP script is really simple. If you have any basic scripting
experience it should be a cake-walk. I was going to include it in the
Vlogging Hacks book, but then that got cancelled. It may be included
in one of the other Vlogging books that either Jay, or Ryanne and
Verdi are working on.

I can send it to you offlist... I haven't looked at it in a while and
I don't really have time to provide much support.

-Josh


On 1/12/06, Joe Chapuis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Josh --
>
> I like that pop-up generator!
>
> I switched from QT to Flash 8 as my primary format,
> but I'd like to offer other options via pop-up windows.
> Your solution is just what I was thinking about.
>
> Is the PHP script available?
>
> Thanks...
> joe
> http://www.hotbizz.com
>
>
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Joshua Kinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> >
> > I think the whole argument that Flash has the most ubiquity is a bit of a
> myth.
> > Rocketboom has always been embedded Quicktime. They have a huge daily
> audience.
> > No one ever complains that they can't see the Quicktime video. Of
> > course they provide other formats too because some people prefer them.
> > Honestly, the myth that Quicktime isn't supported is more because
> > people use Internet Explorer on Windows, which sort of sabotages
> > Quicktime playback (it will not "fast start" quicktime unless it is
> > properly embedded in an HTML page). My answer to this is to use pop-up
> > windows with the video embedded, and I wrote a simple code generator
> > so that people can do it easily:
> >
> > http://joshkinberg.com/popupmaker
> >
> > Try it, enter the URL of a video file, add some of the other info if
> > you want and watch what happens. The link will pop up a small window
> > with the video embedded. It works for Windows Media too. I could
> > probably add FLV support as well, just haven't taken the time to do
> > it.
> >
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Vlogging with Flash

[Joshua Kinberg]

Did you embed the Quicktime videos in HTML?
If you link directly to the video file the way FreeVlog suggests, then
you will definitely hear complaints about people not being able to see
your video. If you use an embedded player, or a popup window with an
embedded player, as I suggest, its likely you won't hear the
complaints. This is an Internet Explorer issue, not a Quicktime issue.
Quicktime is just as easy to install as Flash. And the adoption rates
of Flash 7-8 are highly exaggerated. You need the most recent version
of Flash plugin to see most Flash video, which requires an upgrade --
no different than requiring viewers to have QT, which they probably
already have anyway.

-Josh


On 1/12/06, Bill Streeter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I used to post only in Quicktime. I got a lot of feedback saying
> that people couldn't see my videos. Well maybe not a lot. But a few.
> My mom, my buddy who has a Win98 machine a few others. Mostly people
> who know me. I would suspect that there were more that I didn't hear
> from as well. Especially since I don't hear from 90% or more of the
> visitors to my site. I would bet that it's safe to guess that most
> people who can't view my videos never even think to tell me about
> it. I also know that there are a lot of people who watch my videos
> on their work computers. I work in a large corporate environment, we
> don't have Quicktime installed on our machines, but we do have
> flash. We aren't allowed to install Quicktime either. This isn't a
> unique situation. And I would bet that the reason RocketBoom doesn't
> have any complaints is because they do offer multiple formats.
>
> Bill Streeter
> LO-FI SAINT LOUIS
> www.lofistl.com
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Joshua Kinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > I think the whole argument that Flash has the most ubiquity is a
> bit of a myth.
> > Rocketboom has always been embedded Quicktime. They have a huge
> daily audience.
> > No one ever complains that they can't see the Quicktime video. Of
> > course they provide other formats too because some people prefer
> them.
> > Honestly, the myth that Quicktime isn't supported is more because
> > people use Internet Explorer on Windows, which sort of sabotages
> > Quicktime playback (it will not "fast start" quicktime unless it is
> > properly embedded in an HTML page). My answer to this is to use
> pop-up
> > windows with the video embedded, and I wrote a simple code
> generator
> > so that people can do it easily:
> >
> > http://joshkinberg.com/popupmaker
> >
> > Try it, enter the URL of a video file, add some of the other info
> if
> > you want and watch what happens. The link will pop up a small
> window
> > with the video embedded. It works for Windows Media too. I could
> > probably add FLV support as well, just haven't taken the time to do
> > it.
> >
>
>
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Vlogging with Flash

[Joshua Kinberg]

I think the whole argument that Flash has the most ubiquity is a bit of a myth.
Rocketboom has always been embedded Quicktime. They have a huge daily audience.
No one ever complains that they can't see the Quicktime video. Of
course they provide other formats too because some people prefer them.
Honestly, the myth that Quicktime isn't supported is more because
people use Internet Explorer on Windows, which sort of sabotages
Quicktime playback (it will not "fast start" quicktime unless it is
properly embedded in an HTML page). My answer to this is to use pop-up
windows with the video embedded, and I wrote a simple code generator
so that people can do it easily:

http://joshkinberg.com/popupmaker

Try it, enter the URL of a video file, add some of the other info if
you want and watch what happens. The link will pop up a small window
with the video embedded. It works for Windows Media too. I could
probably add FLV support as well, just haven't taken the time to do
it.


 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Vlogging with Flash

[Deirdre Straughan]

On 1/12/06, Bill Streeter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
A lot of people use flash, but there are a lot of issues with it thatdon't make it the Ideal for video blogging. Flash is a great way ofmaking your videos more accessible to more people since Flash ispretty ubiquitous. But the issues with it have to do with the fact
that it's not easy to distribute it via RSS.We've been through this before. I distribute my SWF files via RSS without trouble. They get downloaded plenty. -- best regards,
Deirdré Straughanwww.beginningwithi.com (personal)www.tvblob.com (work)


  




  
  
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