Re: [videoblogging] The innocence of the vlogosphere is at an end
> No, I don't. What I see is everyone sharing the same quality of > wanting to share their video creations with other people. Those of us > who like it so much that we want to spend all of our time doing it, > obviously need to think about how we can make money at it because > there is no time to make money doing anything else. great. i'd just like us all to keep up front that you can videoblog without worrying about getting commercials. for those of you who need funding to compete with mainstream media, i applaud you. this is not a 'me' versus 'you' scenario. we're all in this together. ill publicly reveal my worry. Just be aware of your influence Andrew. as soon as one of us gets that advertising deal that pays 100-2000$ a commercial spot...there will be RUSH of newcomers to make videoblogs. a format will have been established and an advertising model created. This is a huge feat by the way. And it'll be awesome to see regular people creating video that has a fair chance of compteting with traditional media. Tradional media will follow suit and probably dump their existing content into the network. It'll be a hot hot hot time. At ;least the playing field will be even as far as distribution. So while that is going on, some of us can teach people how to get funding and compete with big media. Some of us will keep encouraging people who just want to videoblog casually, as a normal part of their life. BOTH ARE VALID. we're all in aggreement. we're all cool. we're all friends here. we're evolving. im just making a mention of what i think is coming, so its no surprise. Jay -- http://www.momentshowing.net> Adventures in Videoblogging YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] The innocence of the vlogosphere is at an end
I would like to add a third type of Videoblogs: Videoblogs which are done by experts or small businesses and make them better known, and as a consequence help them market their services. It includes professionals answering tech questions, providing "how to" videos... That could include Steve Garfield's blog (Joshua's remark). So there would be a whole continum of situations, the three main types being: 1. The Rocketboom model. Like TV, fresh content... Paid by advertising. 2. The "subtle informercial" model. It is an expert, a professional or a small business building credibility as they provide valuable information/help on their videoblog. Paid/supported by the expert/professional. It is a very valid business model in my opinion as success is aligned with value received by viewer. It can be tech info but anything else: health diet, wine tasting... 3. The personal videoblog model. Talking about oneself, sharing personal situations. Posted irregularly. Paid/supported by the individual. Any thoughts about this? Christian Baudry YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] The innocence of the vlogosphere is at an end
On Aug 4, 2005, at 4:24 PM, Jay dedman wrote: > > exceptions are the rule. > but you dont see these two scenarios standing out? > > jay No, I don't. What I see is everyone sharing the same quality of wanting to share their video creations with other people. Those of us who like it so much that we want to spend all of our time doing it, obviously need to think about how we can make money at it because there is no time to make money doing anything else. >> I would say that you have identified two extremely extreme scenarios >> and that almost all videoblogs, including yours and Rocketboom, share >> from both of those approaches and many other ones too. >> > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] The innocence of the vlogosphere is at an end
> I'd like to hear what you have to say on this matter. > > Jay For me, it's a 33/33/33 thing. I have always been an artist deep down (sure that's subjective..) and I do enjoy this new medium that I can play with and find new ways to express myself or just make something that I think is cool. I think of it as art. The other 33 is the archival side of it. I love the idea that I can sit down when I am 60 and watch a whack of videos I made 30 years earlier. Where was I, what did the town look like then...what was life like without the flying cars (aren't we supposed to have those by now?) Or my son can watch and show his children. And the last 33 is to show what life is like where I live, what we do for fun, what I think is interesting, etc. A glimpse into 'my world'. I haven't utilized the rel=payment thing since I don't have a use for it. I can always use more money, don't get me wrong, but I don't see the value in what I produce measured in dollars. If someone approached me and said, 'man, I love that pigeon thing you did' (come on you all loved it...) 'can I pay you for it?'. I would question their sanity since it is available free online, have at 'er. For me, feedback and comments is the only currency I am looking to fill my pockets with. But that's just my motivation. -- ~Devlon http://8bitme.blogspot.com http://whiteguyforeignfoods.blogspot.com http://devlon.blogspot.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] The innocence of the vlogosphere is at an end
Look at podcasting...just wait until "traditional" media jumps in. We'll all have our different approaches, from the youngest person videoblogging to stay in touch with family in another country, to the largest corporation trying to garner as many eyeballs as it can (worldwide!). People will make money by producing content, software, hardware, hosting, etc. Others will produce content for the sheer joy of it, knowing they have access to the production tools and distribution system that has been out of reach for too long. In all cases though, the world will become smaller and more connected, and everyone will (hopefully) have the opportunity to contribute criticism, news, and entertainment to anyone, anywhere, at anytime. It puts a smile on my face. Define it however you want. I'm just excited to see it happening. On Thursday, August 04, 2005, at 01:15PM, andrew michael baron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ><> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. I would say that you have identified two extremely extreme scenarios and that almost all videoblogs, including yours and Rocketboom, share from both of those approaches and many other ones too. On Aug 4, 2005, at 3:59 PM, Jay dedman wrote: >> Some of us vloggers will make big money on doing this. Some people >> will make zillions on offering personalized consultancy for companies >> that want to jack into the next big thing (and we all know >> vlogging IS >> the next big thing, regardless of the millions of people who >> prefer to >> listen to the radio/podcast while on the road) >> >> So what I Hope happens is that even when the innocence is gone, we >> can >> play along. Play nice, and do business without suddenly going >> 'Business is business' and becoming all cynical. >> > > >> Let us remember that we all have good intentions. Also, let us not >> close our eyes to what is going on. >> >
Re: [videoblogging] The innocence of the vlogosphere is at an end
I think people can earn money indirectly through their videoblogging efforts. It may not be a direct relationship such as advertising. For instance, Steve Garfield has probably expanded his video production business through his videoblogging efforts. -Josh On 8/4/05, Jay dedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I would say that you have identified two extremely extreme scenarios > > and that almost all videoblogs, including yours and Rocketboom, share > > from both of those approaches and many other ones too. > > exceptions are the rule. > but you dont see these two scenarios standing out? > > jay > > -- > http://www.momentshowing.net> > Adventures in Videoblogging > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] The innocence of the vlogosphere is at an end
> I would say that you have identified two extremely extreme scenarios > and that almost all videoblogs, including yours and Rocketboom, share > from both of those approaches and many other ones too. exceptions are the rule. but you dont see these two scenarios standing out? jay -- http://www.momentshowing.net> Adventures in Videoblogging YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] The innocence of the vlogosphere is at an end
I would say that you have identified two extremely extreme scenarios and that almost all videoblogs, including yours and Rocketboom, share from both of those approaches and many other ones too. On Aug 4, 2005, at 3:59 PM, Jay dedman wrote: >> Some of us vloggers will make big money on doing this. Some people >> will make zillions on offering personalized consultancy for companies >> that want to jack into the next big thing (and we all know >> vlogging IS >> the next big thing, regardless of the millions of people who >> prefer to >> listen to the radio/podcast while on the road) >> >> So what I Hope happens is that even when the innocence is gone, we >> can >> play along. Play nice, and do business without suddenly going >> 'Business is business' and becoming all cynical. >> > > >> Let us remember that we all have good intentions. Also, let us not >> close our eyes to what is going on. >> > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] The innocence of the vlogosphere is at an end
What about thos of us who make personal videos, post irregularly, are seeking to share their lives with others and challenge the content of media. Those of us who got into this as a hobby, a creative outlet, but wouldn't mind turning a buck if those original intentions/ideals/values weren't lost? I have a secure job, I don't need vlogging to be my source of income. But, getting paid for my creative content would be fantastic! Perhaps someday making video blogging my job (as long as I was doing what I wanted to do, as long as I am having fun, and as long as I don't feel as though i am compromising myself in any aspect) then yes, I would love to do it as a profession. I am not seeking it out, but if opportunities arise, I welcome them with open arms.On 8/4/05, Jay dedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So lets remember these models as we move into the craziness that is developing. Both are equally valid.When a new person comes onto the scene, a choice is made.--are you trying to use videoblogging to challenge traditonal TVdistribution...spending lots of time creating regularprogramming...and seeking revenue for your efforts? --or are you simply wanting to document something that's important toyou...no hassle...making videoblogging as a part of your daily life? -- Josh Leojoshleo.comstonefarm.blogspot.com joshspicks.blogspot.comwearethemedia.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] The innocence of the vlogosphere is at an end
> Some of us vloggers will make big money on doing this. Some people > will make zillions on offering personalized consultancy for companies > that want to jack into the next big thing (and we all know vlogging IS > the next big thing, regardless of the millions of people who prefer to > listen to the radio/podcast while on the road) > > So what I Hope happens is that even when the innocence is gone, we can > play along. Play nice, and do business without suddenly going > 'Business is business' and becoming all cynical. > Let us remember that we all have good intentions. Also, let us not > close our eyes to what is going on. I like raymond's email. I also gave pause when i saw steve's post about putting ads in a videoblog. The time is coming. I think its funny that this group gets a reputation for being against money...as if its an all or nothing game. We are all adults who work jobs and have careers and are planning for the future. I guess people balk because we have conversations that there may be something more interesting than money. Many of you know why I got into videoblogging: to feel connection. Through little videos on my computer, i can see your world wherever you are in the way you want to show me. we can speak to each other unmediated. for whatever its worth, its still important to me. This weekend, i realized there are two kind of videoblogs developing. One is the Rocketboom model. Its a brilliant use of RSS technology...delivering short, regular videos in a predictable format to the entire world. Usually these videos are topical. Like TV, fresh content is a must. As Andrew Barron says, you can now compete with cable networks that only get 100,000 viewers. So why not get advertising if youre putting that much work into it and getting huge audiences? The other model is the personal videoblog. Videos are in no format or theme. Videos are posted irregularly. Videos vary in length. Videos are meant for a small group of people, usually friends and family. Personal videoblogs usually grow in value as time passes. So lets remember these models as we move into the craziness that is developing. Both are equally valid. When a new person comes onto the scene, a choice is made. --are you trying to use videoblogging to challenge traditonal TV distribution...spending lots of time creating regular programming...and seeking revenue for your efforts? --or are you simply wanting to document something that's important to you...no hassle...making videoblogging as a part of your daily life? I'd like to hear what you have to say on this matter. Jay -- http://www.momentshowing.net> Adventures in Videoblogging YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
