Re: [Videolib] Facets launches EDU site with streaming rights

2012-03-16 Thread Jessica Rosner
. I don't consider this any kind of rant. It was a caution to be make sure you get rights that you purchase. I suppose the reminder that you can't stream any film or book you every purchased based on virtually every existing case law is still considered a rant. Let's just say I am waiting for

Re: [Videolib] Facets launches EDU site with streaming rights

2012-03-16 Thread Jessica Rosner
Elizabeth I know we have disagreed on this and I have run this by many companies that distribute foreign film in particular and all I have spoken do not believe their contracts permit the sale of lifetime streaming if they for instance have the right to sell downloads to individuals for the fixed

[Videolib] Lifetime Streaming Rights

2012-03-16 Thread Bob Norris
I'm going to have to disagree. Selling streaming rights for the life of the digital file to a university is not comparable to a broadcast sale in perpetuity. In the former case you are selling to a single entity. Using Facets as an example, the school could pay $20 for in classroom face to

Re: [Videolib] Facets launches EDU site with streaming rights

2012-03-16 Thread Janice Woo
Rick, you're on the money. My email to which Jessica responded specifically stated that my college has absolutely no interest in streaming. So for her to bring it up yet again, I agree is continuing the rant. On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 12:17 AM, Rick Faaberg rfaab...@comcast.net wrote: On

Re: [Videolib] Lifetime Streaming Rights

2012-03-16 Thread Benjamin Crossley-Marra
Bob, The likelihood of schools desiring new digital formats after the stream has been sold is still matter of conjecture at this point. They sure don't seem to be too interested in Blu Ray. Due to the nature of (our contracts) at least I do feel obligated to set a termination date on a

Re: [Videolib] Lifetime Streaming Rights

2012-03-16 Thread Elizabeth Sheldon
Ben, If you are 'buying exploitation rights for profit' it implies that you are in the business of generating revenue for your filmmakers, which means offering licenses that the customers not only want but will be requiring; how can a librarian catalog a stream which they do not have a

Re: [Videolib] Lifetime Streaming Rights

2012-03-16 Thread Jessica Rosner
The problem Bob is that such a right is generally not in the contract for feature films. Basically the producer has NOT agreed to it. Now if they wish to agree and let distributors sell this right they are free to do so but as a matter of contract it would be treated like TV sale. A contract does

Re: [Videolib] Facets launches EDU site with streaming rights

2012-03-16 Thread Jessica Rosner
Janice I honestly apologize if you think that was a rant. I do actually agree with you and have posted here many times regarding not needing PPR or any other rights for classroom use. However I freely admit I have become a tad paranoid of late because there are now widespread assertions that Fair

Re: [Videolib] Lifetime Streaming Rights

2012-03-16 Thread Benjamin Crossley-Marra
Elizabeth, I'm sorry you know I love Kino and appreciate all that you do but we simply disagree on this (relatively small) issue. What you just said implies that we are only in the business of generating immediate profit for rights holders regardless of the future implications or even our

Re: [Videolib] Lifetime Streaming Rights

2012-03-16 Thread ghandman
I don't see why libraries can't do the same AT LEAST until we work out the language in our contracts that allows us to do this with full disclosure to the rights holders. You mean why can't libraries pay over and over and over again for access to static content? I don't think so... We do it now

Re: [Videolib] Lifetime Streaming Rights

2012-03-16 Thread Benjamin Crossly-Marra
I need the term limits to to accurately and honestly report to the sales agents based on our contract. They have the right to audit all of my activity. I don't want you to have to keep paying either, I charge a very nominal rate for renewals. But once we lose the rights - that's the end. We

Re: [Videolib] Lifetime Streaming Rights

2012-03-16 Thread Jessica Rosner
Three words- Foreign rights holders . For example there is simply no way these guys who own an awful lot of good films are going to agree to sell films with lifetime streaming and that is in cases where they could. As Ben says we would all LOVE to be able to sell lifetime streaming rights. I