Re: [Videolib] videolib Digest, Vol 71, Issue 45
Amazon does not check who is the seller or if a DVD is a bootleg. After finding out that they sold unauthorized copies I refuse to do business with them Nahum Laufer http://onedayafterpeace.com/index.php http://docsforeducation.com/ Sales Docs for Education Erez Laufer Films Holland st 10 Afulla 18371 Israel Message: 4 Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 19:17:21 -0400 From: Jessica Rosner maddux2...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Videolib] California's Lost Tribes To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Message-ID: CACRe6m971FZ_yM2K4BEV5so0KN7couuk-y8kpZW7kkL-v=q...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Actually I have been getting more and more reports from librarians about this kind of thing on Amazon and at the risk of incurring a certain amount of wrath I see similar language on many distributor web sites for films that are easily available at a retail price. Sections one and two are simply wrong. If you buy a film from the distributor or an authorized agent ( which one can presume in this case Amazon is) it is a legally acquired copy and thus can be used in a class, circulated by the library and used by pretty much anyone the institution wants, provided it is not shown to an audience outside the classroom, copied or streamed. I am not unsympathetic to point three , that filmmakers rely on the revenue from institutions to survive but I think though well intentioned they can't have their cake and eat it too. I have posted many, many times the only way to enforce this kind of individual Vs Institution pricing is by A. controlling all sales 100% from a single source and B. setting sales up with a clearly visible CONTRACT which they buyer must read and click along the lines of I have read and agree to these terms. Then contract trumps/limits standard copyright terms. For the record many filmmakers sincerely believe there is some kind of law requiring institutions to pay more to use films in classes. I am not saying it is true but many of them do believe this. As a buyer you may well want to find the cheapest legal copy and there is no prohibition on an individual buying a copy on behalf of an institution (unless it has written contract you must read and sign per above). I also think the flip side of this incorrect claim that institutions need special rights for classroom use, is the claim by some institutions that they need no rights to digitize and stream a film because it is for educational use I am actually hoping that since institutions will increasingly want to stream and since streaming is a right exclusive to the owner both sides can come to a deal where filmmakers get more money than a retail sale but give up more rights. Jessica On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 5:47 PM, Rosen, Rhonda rhonda.ro...@lmu.edu wrote: Yep, I know, but I 've never seen that written out that way in Amazon! VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
[Videolib] (no subject)
Hi All, I'm looing for videos on the subject of contemplative science, mediation, or yoga, but as a cultural phenomenon rather than a how-to. Any suggestions? Cheers, Matt Matt Ball Media and Collections Librarian University of Virginia Charlottesville, VA 22904 mattb...@virginia.edumailto:mattb...@virginia.edu | 434-924-3812 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] (no subject)
A title that comes to mind is Kumare -- might not be an exact fit, but an interesting look at a small community's reaction to a yogi master / guru who's not what he seems: http://kumaremovie.com/ Addresses yoga as a cultural phenomenon in a roundabout way. -- Meghann Matwichuk, M.S. Associate Librarian Film and Video Collection Department Morris Library, University of Delaware 181 S. College Ave. Newark, DE 19717 (302) 831-1475 http://www.lib.udel.edu/filmandvideo On 10/22/2013 8:54 AM, Ball, James (jmb4aw) wrote: Hi All, I'm looing for videos on the subject of contemplative science, mediation, or yoga, but as a cultural phenomenon rather than a how-to. Any suggestions? Cheers, Matt Matt Ball Media and Collections Librarian University of Virginia Charlottesville, VA 22904 mattb...@virginia.edu mailto:mattb...@virginia.edu| 434-924-3812 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
[Videolib] Contemplative science, meditation, yoga videos
Oops, sorry for the lack of a subject line. Let's try again... === Hi All, I'm looking for videos on the subject of contemplative science, mediation, or yoga, but as a cultural phenomenon rather than a how-to. Any suggestions? Cheers, Matt Matt Ball Media and Collections Librarian University of Virginia Charlottesville, VA 22904 mattb...@virginia.edumailto:mattb...@virginia.edu | 434-924-3812 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Contemplative science, meditation, yoga videos
Kumare (from Kino) Sent from my iPhone On Oct 22, 2013, at 9:31 AM, Ball, James (jmb4aw) jmb...@eservices.virginia.edumailto:jmb...@eservices.virginia.edu wrote: Oops, sorry for the lack of a subject line. Let's try again... === Hi All, I'm looking for videos on the subject of contemplative science, mediation, or yoga, but as a cultural phenomenon rather than a how-to. Any suggestions? Cheers, Matt Matt Ball Media and Collections Librarian University of Virginia Charlottesville, VA 22904 mattb...@virginia.edumailto:mattb...@virginia.edu | 434-924-3812 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] (no subject)
Another roundabout look at yoga as a cultural phenomenon would be the recent documentary The Source Familyhttp://www.amazon.com/Source-Family/dp/B00CJGGDJK/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8qid=1382449795sr=8-2keywords=source+family, though again this is much more focused on the dangers of submitting to a power-tripping guru. These two may be more specific than you need, but here are a couple of documentaries that discuss positive aspects of yoga programs in correctional facilities. The Dhamma Brothershttp://www.bullfrogfilms.com/catalog/dbros.htmland Doing Time, Doing Vipassanahttp://store.pariyatti.org/Doing-Time-Doing-Vipassana--DVD--Slimline_p_2376.html . Brian Boling Media Services Librarian Temple University Libraries brian.bol...@temple.edu On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 9:04 AM, Meghann Matwichuk mtw...@udel.edu wrote: A title that comes to mind is Kumare -- might not be an exact fit, but an interesting look at a small community's reaction to a yogi master / guru who's not what he seems: http://kumaremovie.com/ Addresses yoga as a cultural phenomenon in a roundabout way. -- Meghann Matwichuk, M.S. Associate Librarian Film and Video Collection Department Morris Library, University of Delaware 181 S. College Ave. Newark, DE 19717 (302) 831-1475 http://www.lib.udel.edu/filmandvideo On 10/22/2013 8:54 AM, Ball, James (jmb4aw) wrote: Hi All, I'm looing for videos on the subject of contemplative science, mediation, or yoga, but as a cultural phenomenon rather than a how-to. Any suggestions? Cheers, Matt Matt Ball Media and Collections Librarian University of Virginia Charlottesville, VA 22904 mattb...@virginia.edu | 434-924-3812 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
[Videolib] Isle of Flowers on DVD?
Oh collective wisdom, does anyone know of a source for Jorge Furtado's short documentary on DVD? We have a VHS copy, but would like a DVD copy-- VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] (no subject)
Other titles on topic include: Breath of the Gods Meditate + Destroy Crazy Wisdom When The Iron Bird Flies Brilliant Moon Sunrise/Sunset You can find descriptions and trailers for all of these at: alivemindcinema.com and/or www.kinolorberedu.com Best, Elizabeth Elizabeth Sheldon Vice President Kino Lorber, Inc. 333 W. 39th St., Suite 503 New York, NY 10018 (212) 629-6880 www.kinolorber.com On Oct 22, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Brian W Boling wrote: Another roundabout look at yoga as a cultural phenomenon would be the recent documentary The Source Family, though again this is much more focused on the dangers of submitting to a power-tripping guru. These two may be more specific than you need, but here are a couple of documentaries that discuss positive aspects of yoga programs in correctional facilities. The Dhamma Brothers and Doing Time, Doing Vipassana. Brian Boling Media Services Librarian Temple University Libraries brian.bol...@temple.edu On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 9:04 AM, Meghann Matwichuk mtw...@udel.edu wrote: A title that comes to mind is Kumare -- might not be an exact fit, but an interesting look at a small community's reaction to a yogi master / guru who's not what he seems: http://kumaremovie.com/ Addresses yoga as a cultural phenomenon in a roundabout way. -- Meghann Matwichuk, M.S. Associate Librarian Film and Video Collection Department Morris Library, University of Delaware 181 S. College Ave. Newark, DE 19717 (302) 831-1475 http://www.lib.udel.edu/filmandvideo On 10/22/2013 8:54 AM, Ball, James (jmb4aw) wrote: Hi All, I'm looing for videos on the subject of contemplative science, mediation, or yoga, but as a cultural phenomenon rather than a how-to. Any suggestions? Cheers, Matt Matt Ball Media and Collections Librarian University of Virginia Charlottesville, VA 22904 mattb...@virginia.edu | 434-924-3812 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Isle of Flowers on DVD?
I was trying to find that a while ago and couldn't come up with anything, so if someone does find it, I'd like to know also! Rhonda -Original Message- From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Maureen Tripp Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 8:31 AM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: [Videolib] Isle of Flowers on DVD? Oh collective wisdom, does anyone know of a source for Jorge Furtado's short documentary on DVD? We have a VHS copy, but would like a DVD copy--. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Isle of Flowers on DVD?
We got a DVD-R copy about 6 years ago from this source... http://www.casacinepoa.com.br/os-filmes/produ%C3%A7%C3%A3o/curtas/ilha-das-flores It's better than nothing and has helped take the burden off our Icarus VHS. I believe it's a legal copy, since it is legit distributor-- it's just a bummer that it's a DVD-R and some faculty have reported problems in laptops. Ours plays well in NTSC players and has English / Spanish / Portuguese / French language. If someone gets a new copy, I would be grateful to hear if it seems like a better quality/commercial grade DVD now. Gisele Gisèle Tanasse Media Resources Center 150 Moffitt Library #6000 University of California Berkeley, CA 94720-6000 PH: 510-642-8197 BCAL: nerdpo...@berkeley.edu On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Rosen, Rhonda rhonda.ro...@lmu.edu wrote: I was trying to find that a while ago and couldn't come up with anything, so if someone does find it, I'd like to know also! Rhonda -Original Message- From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Maureen Tripp Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 8:31 AM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: [Videolib] Isle of Flowers on DVD? Oh collective wisdom, does anyone know of a source for Jorge Furtado's short documentary on DVD? We have a VHS copy, but would like a DVD copy--. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Isle of Flowers on DVD?
I think there is still a lot of educational stuff available only on DVD-R. If well made it should not cause a big problem. On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Gisele Genevieve Tanasse gtana...@library.berkeley.edu wrote: We got a DVD-R copy about 6 years ago from this source... http://www.casacinepoa.com.br/os-filmes/produ%C3%A7%C3%A3o/curtas/ilha-das-flores It's better than nothing and has helped take the burden off our Icarus VHS. I believe it's a legal copy, since it is legit distributor-- it's just a bummer that it's a DVD-R and some faculty have reported problems in laptops. Ours plays well in NTSC players and has English / Spanish / Portuguese / French language. If someone gets a new copy, I would be grateful to hear if it seems like a better quality/commercial grade DVD now. Gisele Gisèle Tanasse Media Resources Center 150 Moffitt Library #6000 University of California Berkeley, CA 94720-6000 PH: 510-642-8197 BCAL: nerdpo...@berkeley.edu On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Rosen, Rhonda rhonda.ro...@lmu.eduwrote: I was trying to find that a while ago and couldn't come up with anything, so if someone does find it, I'd like to know also! Rhonda -Original Message- From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Maureen Tripp Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 8:31 AM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: [Videolib] Isle of Flowers on DVD? Oh collective wisdom, does anyone know of a source for Jorge Furtado's short documentary on DVD? We have a VHS copy, but would like a DVD copy--. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
[Videolib] Blu ray questions
I know most of you do not like blu-ray but I would like to know how much a problem it is. I am working on a kind of epic project I have been making cryptic references to and for complicated reasons much of it is Blu ray only. In terms of research I would assume most students and most libraries have reasonable access to playing on Blu ray either using a player or a laptop. I guess the bigger issue is classroom use, is it really that difficult to get Blu ray player for a classroom ( to make this even more complicated the part of this collection most likely to be used in class will be available on DVD). Feedback appreciated but it is not possible to change formats on this material though it will be available for streaming for those schools who can do their own. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blu ray questions
Jessica, The New York Film Academy is a blu-ray campus in that we have blu-ray players in all of the classrooms and it's our preferred medium for discs. In addition to providing the highest visual and audio quality I love that in my year and half here we've *never* needed to clean them due to scratches or playback issues. I'm pretty sure we could hitch our blu-ray collection to a truck, drag them over an asphalt road, and then have a movie marathon. They're really well constructed. Anyway, the school does upkeep on the players and any that need to be replaced are done so with a quick turnaround time. Since going in this direction we've been able to not only allow for playability for both standard DVDs and blu-rays but it's given me the opportunity to make acquiring blu-ray versions a priority (although we will get the DVD/blu-ray combo packs if available). Hopefully some of that helps. Best regards. *Josh Moorman* *Head Librarian* *New York Film Academy - Los Angeles* *Robert K. Hartman Library* *josh.moor...@nyfa.edu* *(818) 295-2021* On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Jessica Rosner jessicapros...@gmail.comwrote: I know most of you do not like blu-ray but I would like to know how much a problem it is. I am working on a kind of epic project I have been making cryptic references to and for complicated reasons much of it is Blu ray only. In terms of research I would assume most students and most libraries have reasonable access to playing on Blu ray either using a player or a laptop. I guess the bigger issue is classroom use, is it really that difficult to get Blu ray player for a classroom ( to make this even more complicated the part of this collection most likely to be used in class will be available on DVD). Feedback appreciated but it is not possible to change formats on this material though it will be available for streaming for those schools who can do their own. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blu ray questions
Thanks Josh Unfortunately I suspect you are an outlier. Blu ray is of course common for feature films which I imagine is mostly what you use, alas not common at all for educational video My film is basically both and the producers wanted to do it in the best available format visually but alas the market is going to mostly academic instructors in certain fields but not much in film studies. Thanks again for the info. On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Josh Moorman josh.moor...@nyfa.edu wrote: Jessica, The New York Film Academy is a blu-ray campus in that we have blu-ray players in all of the classrooms and it's our preferred medium for discs. In addition to providing the highest visual and audio quality I love that in my year and half here we've *never* needed to clean them due to scratches or playback issues. I'm pretty sure we could hitch our blu-ray collection to a truck, drag them over an asphalt road, and then have a movie marathon. They're really well constructed. Anyway, the school does upkeep on the players and any that need to be replaced are done so with a quick turnaround time. Since going in this direction we've been able to not only allow for playability for both standard DVDs and blu-rays but it's given me the opportunity to make acquiring blu-ray versions a priority (although we will get the DVD/blu-ray combo packs if available). Hopefully some of that helps. Best regards. *Josh Moorman* *Head Librarian* *New York Film Academy - Los Angeles* *Robert K. Hartman Library* *josh.moor...@nyfa.edu* *(818) 295-2021* On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Jessica Rosner jessicapros...@gmail.com wrote: I know most of you do not like blu-ray but I would like to know how much a problem it is. I am working on a kind of epic project I have been making cryptic references to and for complicated reasons much of it is Blu ray only. In terms of research I would assume most students and most libraries have reasonable access to playing on Blu ray either using a player or a laptop. I guess the bigger issue is classroom use, is it really that difficult to get Blu ray player for a classroom ( to make this even more complicated the part of this collection most likely to be used in class will be available on DVD). Feedback appreciated but it is not possible to change formats on this material though it will be available for streaming for those schools who can do their own. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blu ray questions
Unfortunately you're right, Jessica -- my institution does not have the same take as Mr. Moorman's. The Library is not given input into how classrooms are outfitted or what technologies are supported. Few classrooms are currently outfitted with Bluray players at UD, and the Library is not purchasing streaming on a title-by-title basis. If we were to purchase a Bluray where no standard disc was available, it would cause problems for many patrons / instructors who might be interested in the title. -- Meghann Matwichuk, M.S. Associate Librarian Film and Video Collection Department Morris Library, University of Delaware 181 S. College Ave. Newark, DE 19717 (302) 831-1475 http://www.lib.udel.edu/filmandvideo On 10/22/2013 1:45 PM, Jessica Rosner wrote: Thanks Josh Unfortunately I suspect you are an outlier. Blu ray is of course common for feature films which I imagine is mostly what you use, alas not common at all for educational video My film is basically both and the producers wanted to do it in the best available format visually but alas the market is going to mostly academic instructors in certain fields but not much in film studies. Thanks again for the info. On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Josh Moorman josh.moor...@nyfa.edu mailto:josh.moor...@nyfa.edu wrote: Jessica, The New York Film Academy is a blu-ray campus in that we have blu-ray players in all of the classrooms and it's our preferred medium for discs. In addition to providing the highest visual and audio quality I love that in my year and half here we've /never/ needed to clean them due to scratches or playback issues. I'm pretty sure we could hitch our blu-ray collection to a truck, drag them over an asphalt road, and then have a movie marathon. They're really well constructed. Anyway, the school does upkeep on the players and any that need to be replaced are done so with a quick turnaround time. Since going in this direction we've been able to not only allow for playability for both standard DVDs and blu-rays but it's given me the opportunity to make acquiring blu-ray versions a priority (although we will get the DVD/blu-ray combo packs if available). Hopefully some of that helps. Best regards. *Josh Moorman* *Head Librarian* *New York Film Academy - Los Angeles* *Robert K. Hartman Library* *josh.moor...@nyfa.edu mailto:josh.moor...@nyfa.edu* *(818) 295-2021 tel:%28818%29%20295-2021* On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Jessica Rosner jessicapros...@gmail.com mailto:jessicapros...@gmail.com wrote: I know most of you do not like blu-ray but I would like to know how much a problem it is. I am working on a kind of epic project I have been making cryptic references to and for complicated reasons much of it is Blu ray only. In terms of research I would assume most students and most libraries have reasonable access to playing on Blu ray either using a player or a laptop. I guess the bigger issue is classroom use, is it really that difficult to get Blu ray player for a classroom ( to make this even more complicated the part of this collection most likely to be used in class will be available on DVD). Feedback appreciated but it is not possible to change formats on this material though it will be available for streaming for those schools who can do their own. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 tel:224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 tel:212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com mailto:jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is
Re: [Videolib] Blu ray questions
If I was a cash strapped University I'd hitch my wagon to streaming. Hard copy, no matter the quality, will ultimately go away. Can you obtain the rights to stream in HD Jessica? Bob Robert A. Norris Managing Director Film Ideas, Inc. Phone: (847) 419-0255 Email: b...@filmideas.com Web:www.filmideas.com From: Meghann Matwichuk mtw...@udel.edu Date: October 22, 2013 1:15:27 PM CDT To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu ray questions Reply-To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Unfortunately you're right, Jessica -- my institution does not have the same take as Mr. Moorman's. The Library is not given input into how classrooms are outfitted or what technologies are supported. Few classrooms are currently outfitted with Bluray players at UD, and the Library is not purchasing streaming on a title-by-title basis. If we were to purchase a Bluray where no standard disc was available, it would cause problems for many patrons / instructors who might be interested in the title. -- Meghann Matwichuk, M.S. Associate Librarian Film and Video Collection Department Morris Library, University of Delaware VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Contemplative science, meditation, yoga videos
Thanks to Brian for mentioning The Dhamma Brothers from Bullfrog Films. Note that this title is available in DVD, as well as for streaming via Docuseek2. Check out the link to this title on Docuseek2: http://docuseek2.com/bf-dbros Elizabeth Stanley Bullfrog Films Docuseek2 Streaming From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Brian W Boling Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 9:58 AM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] (no subject) Another roundabout look at yoga as a cultural phenomenon would be the recent documentary The Source Familyhttp://www.amazon.com/Source-Family/dp/B00CJGGDJK/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8qid=1382449795sr=8-2keywords=source+family, though again this is much more focused on the dangers of submitting to a power-tripping guru. These two may be more specific than you need, but here are a couple of documentaries that discuss positive aspects of yoga programs in correctional facilities. The Dhamma Brothershttp://www.bullfrogfilms.com/catalog/dbros.html and Doing Time, Doing Vipassanahttp://store.pariyatti.org/Doing-Time-Doing-Vipassana--DVD--Slimline_p_2376.html. Brian Boling Media Services Librarian Temple University Libraries brian.bol...@temple.edumailto:brian.bol...@temple.edu On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 9:04 AM, Meghann Matwichuk mtw...@udel.edumailto:mtw...@udel.edu wrote: A title that comes to mind is Kumare -- might not be an exact fit, but an interesting look at a small community's reaction to a yogi master / guru who's not what he seems: http://kumaremovie.com/ Addresses yoga as a cultural phenomenon in a roundabout way. -- Meghann Matwichuk, M.S. Associate Librarian Film and Video Collection Department Morris Library, University of Delaware 181 S. College Ave. Newark, DE 19717 (302) 831-1475tel:%28302%29%20831-1475 http://www.lib.udel.edu/filmandvideo On 10/22/2013 8:54 AM, Ball, James (jmb4aw) wrote: Hi All, I'm looing for videos on the subject of contemplative science, mediation, or yoga, but as a cultural phenomenon rather than a how-to. Any suggestions? Cheers, Matt Matt Ball Media and Collections Librarian University of Virginia Charlottesville, VA 22904 mattb...@virginia.edumailto:mattb...@virginia.edu | 434-924-3812tel:434-924-3812 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blu ray questions
Producers have all the rights in perpetuity but I don't think they want to manage their own streaming and certainly don't want to sub license it so I suspect it will only work for schools that stream on their own system but I agree that streaming should be better for schools that can do it. On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Bob Norris b...@filmideas.com wrote: If I was a cash strapped University I'd hitch my wagon to streaming. Hard copy, no matter the quality, will ultimately go away. Can you obtain the rights to stream in HD Jessica? Bob *Robert A. Norris* Managing Director Film Ideas, Inc. Phone: (847) 419-0255 Email: b...@filmideas.com Web: www.filmideas.com *From: *Meghann Matwichuk mtw...@udel.edu *Date: *October 22, 2013 1:15:27 PM CDT *To: *videolib@lists.berkeley.edu *Subject: **Re: [Videolib] Blu ray questions* *Reply-To: *videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Unfortunately you're right, Jessica -- my institution does not have the same take as Mr. Moorman's. The Library is not given input into how classrooms are outfitted or what technologies are supported. Few classrooms are currently outfitted with Bluray players at UD, and the Library is not purchasing streaming on a title-by-title basis. If we were to purchase a Bluray where no standard disc was available, it would cause problems for many patrons / instructors who might be interested in the title. -- Meghann Matwichuk, M.S. Associate Librarian Film and Video Collection Department Morris Library, University of Delaware VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blu ray questions
Hi Jessica, Best of luck on your cryptic endeavor! As we're a relatively small University (around 3,000 students at capacity) we are at the mercy of our IT department when it comes to what is available in classrooms and they are currently only partially supporting DVD and are talking about removing that support by 2015 for some as yet unnamed technology, possibly something having to do with streaming but they don't throw much information my way and tend to ignore me when I ask. Most of our classrooms have a data projector with an empty wall plate and the teachers are required to bring their own laptop or player (which was not the case when I was in charge of AV for the campus--I inherited both the Media Librarian and AV support role from someone else and then IT grabbed control of the AV support a few years back.) Individual departments sometimes spring for players or PCs for the classrooms that are in their particular buildings. Currently we have only about two or three Blu Ray titles in our collection and two of them were combo packs with a DVD version available. We have a Blu Ray player at our Media Carrels for students to view our Blu Rays (and their own or outside disks) and we have another Blu Ray in our large meeting room. As far as I know the rest of the campus is still using DVD (where available) and we actually still have quite a few teachers who use only VHS! Those teachers who use VHS have classrooms that are only for their department and have a say in what technology is installed and they usually have DVD/VHS combo decks. I honestly have nothing at all against Blu Ray and I would be installing decks all over campus if I had a say since they are no longer terribly expensive and they will play DVDs just fine and can provide for the excellent quality of Blu Ray when titles are available on that format. Most independent titles that teachers like are only released on DVDR but I have specifically tried them on one of our Blu Ray decks (just out of curiosity) and have never come across a problem. I think a lot of the opposition to installing Blu Ray players across campuses is due to the constantly changing technologies and the belief that something new will soon appear to make Blu Ray obsolete and the money spent will have been wasted. We're about at the time where any DVD players that are still installed on campus will be wearing down and if I was still in charge of AV support I would recommend replacing them with Blu Ray where possible (save for the combo decks that I would try to replace with same for certain teachers) and we would then have the ability to play both DVD and Blu Ray and we would be spending per deck around the same amount of money we had paid for the original DVD decks back when they were the big up and coming super technology of a new generation. Blu Ray is actually great and I love it and I would recommend it for across campus use if I was holding the purse strings. In a somewhat related sense I'm noticing that a lot of the newer cameras teachers are using for archival video, student projects, and distance learning will only film in the AVCHD (I believe that's what it is) format, which will only play on Blu Ray decks. That tells me that Blu Ray is an important technology that will be around for a good deal of time and, since it can play DVD already, can play our substantial DVD collection with no problems and make way for all the newer titles that may only be available on Blu Ray (big studio titles, obviously, but maybe some independent filmmakers will film in AVCHD.) I have recommended to Library administration that we purchase a third Blu Ray deck for checkout to teachers but I've been told repeatedly that such a thing would be IT's responsibility--which I understand but they won't do it. We also do not have enough Blu Ray titles in our collection to warrant such an action, so I've been told (although I'm the person who hears all the complaints from teachers who can't play videos because IT refuses to install anything that will allow them to play what they want and I just want to be helpful dang it!) Many people also remember the days when I nearly killed myself to get them anything and everything they needed for classroom support so they hope I can do something, which I really can't anymore. So the main problem I have with Blu Ray is that those who are in charge of our smart rooms on campus have no faith in it (or in anything save for a non existent technology that may or may not come to fruition within two years' time.) I would prefer to concentrate on an existing technology that is proven and will play our collection NOW so that our teachers can have all the media they need for their classes so, if given the choice, I would love to have Blu Ray players replace our aging DVD players that are still installed in our older smart rooms--and I would try to put them in the rooms that currently have nothing but a wall plate! That would still give us many years
Re: [Videolib] Blu ray questions
We do not have a single Blu-Ray player on campus. I've been asking for 2 years now. All classrooms are equipped with dual VHS=DVD players, and I suspect when they go, they'll be replaced with whatever is sturdy and reliable, whatever that may be. I had never heard that Blu-Ray was less prone to skipping or dirt problems - that's an interesting observation. Aside from feature films, though, I've not seen educational release documentaries being available in Blu-Ray. If it cost extra, we wouldn't be in favour of that choice, though, unless the whole campus was refitted with Blu-Ray players. Susan Susan Weber Media Librarian Library T 604.323.5533 F 604.323.5512 swe...@langara.bc.ca mailto:Susan Weber swe...@langara.bc.ca Langara. http://www.langara.bc.ca 100 West 49th Avenue, Vancouver, BC, V5Y 2Z6 Please consider the environment before printing. CONFIDENTIALITY: This e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately and delete this email from your system. On 22/10/2013 10:06 AM, Jessica Rosner wrote: I know most of you do not like blu-ray but I would like to know how much a problem it is. I am working on a kind of epic project I have been making cryptic references to and for complicated reasons much of it is Blu ray only. In terms of research I would assume most students and most libraries have reasonable access to playing on Blu ray either using a player or a laptop. I guess the bigger issue is classroom use, is it really that difficult to get Blu ray player for a classroom ( to make this even more complicated the part of this collection most likely to be used in class will be available on DVD). Feedback appreciated but it is not possible to change formats on this material though it will be available for streaming for those schools who can do their own. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com mailto:jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blue Ray Questions
I think your assumptions are wrong. Jane Hutchison and my study show that libraries are NOT acquiring Blu Ray (in general). My own computer does not have a BR drive, the Library does not have a BR player, and the University does not support BR in it's computers/classroom equipment. Individual academic units (most notably Film Studies) may have BR capability. deg farrelly, Media Librarian Arizona State University Libraries Hayden Library C1H1 P.O. Box 871006 Tempe, Arizona 85287-1006 Phone: 602.332.3103 --- http://tinyurl.com/AboutNMM To market, to market, to find some fresh filmŠ I'm attending the 2013 National Media Market, November 3-7 In Charleston, South Carolina. See you there? On 10/22/13 10:35 AM, videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edu videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edu wrote: I know most of you do not like blu-ray but I would like to know how much a problem it is. I am working on a kind of epic project I have been making cryptic references to and for complicated reasons much of it is Blu ray only. In terms of research I would assume most students and most libraries have reasonable access to playing on Blu ray either using a player or a laptop. I guess the bigger issue is classroom use, is it really that difficult to get Blu ray player for a classroom ( to make this even more complicated the part of this collection most likely to be used in class will be available on DVD). Feedback appreciated but it is not possible to change formats on this material though it will be available for streaming for those schools who can do their own. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment scrubbed and removed. HTML attachments are only available in MIME digests. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blue Ray Questions
A related question: I would be interested to know if academic libraries are passing on Blu-ray media due to the lack of players (as Deg mentioned) or because they were burnt on laserdisc adoption in the eighties (or HD DVDs in the Blu-Ray war). Matthew Matthew Windsor Systems and Media Services Librarian Olin C. Bailey Library Hendrix College 501-450-1287 -Original Message- From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Deg Farrelly Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 2:06 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blue Ray Questions I think your assumptions are wrong. Jane Hutchison and my study show that libraries are NOT acquiring Blu Ray (in general). My own computer does not have a BR drive, the Library does not have a BR player, and the University does not support BR in it's computers/classroom equipment. Individual academic units (most notably Film Studies) may have BR capability. deg farrelly, Media Librarian Arizona State University Libraries Hayden Library C1H1 P.O. Box 871006 Tempe, Arizona 85287-1006 Phone: 602.332.3103 --- http://tinyurl.com/AboutNMM To market, to market, to find some fresh filmŠ I'm attending the 2013 National Media Market, November 3-7 In Charleston, South Carolina. See you there? On 10/22/13 10:35 AM, videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edu videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edu wrote: I know most of you do not like blu-ray but I would like to know how much a problem it is. I am working on a kind of epic project I have been making cryptic references to and for complicated reasons much of it is Blu ray only. In terms of research I would assume most students and most libraries have reasonable access to playing on Blu ray either using a player or a laptop. I guess the bigger issue is classroom use, is it really that difficult to get Blu ray player for a classroom ( to make this even more complicated the part of this collection most likely to be used in class will be available on DVD). Feedback appreciated but it is not possible to change formats on this material though it will be available for streaming for those schools who can do their own. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment scrubbed and removed. HTML attachments are only available in MIME digests. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blue Ray Questions
I am well aware that universities do not want to acquire Blu ray but I admit I am surprised that the library does not have a single Blu ray player. I guess my feeling is that if there is enough demand for the material schools will find a way to use it. In your case if you were interested you could stream it. As a practical matter the key material that will be available in DVD but much of the supporting material more likely used for research will be Blu ray (or streaming) only. I am just hoping that institutions or individuals will find a way to access it. It will be interesting. Those of you going to NMM can check it out and I will post on videonews shortly. Thanks On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 3:06 PM, Deg Farrelly deg.farre...@asu.edu wrote: I think your assumptions are wrong. Jane Hutchison and my study show that libraries are NOT acquiring Blu Ray (in general). My own computer does not have a BR drive, the Library does not have a BR player, and the University does not support BR in it's computers/classroom equipment. Individual academic units (most notably Film Studies) may have BR capability. deg farrelly, Media Librarian Arizona State University Libraries Hayden Library C1H1 P.O. Box 871006 Tempe, Arizona 85287-1006 Phone: 602.332.3103 --- http://tinyurl.com/AboutNMM To market, to market, to find some fresh filmŠ I'm attending the 2013 National Media Market, November 3-7 In Charleston, South Carolina. See you there? On 10/22/13 10:35 AM, videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edu videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edu wrote: I know most of you do not like blu-ray but I would like to know how much a problem it is. I am working on a kind of epic project I have been making cryptic references to and for complicated reasons much of it is Blu ray only. In terms of research I would assume most students and most libraries have reasonable access to playing on Blu ray either using a player or a laptop. I guess the bigger issue is classroom use, is it really that difficult to get Blu ray player for a classroom ( to make this even more complicated the part of this collection most likely to be used in class will be available on DVD). Feedback appreciated but it is not possible to change formats on this material though it will be available for streaming for those schools who can do their own. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment scrubbed and removed. HTML attachments are only available in MIME digests. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blu Ray question
In my own circumstance I pass on Blu Ray because having a BR copy means that I also buy the standard DVD version, since not everyone has a BR player. A technical issue that most folks miss is that in a classroom using data projection, the image is no better from a BR player than from a standard DVD because the projectors are not equipped to handle the additional data. Projectors that are so capable are considerably more expensive, which is a prohibitive cost. -deg farrelly On 10/22/13 12:16 PM, videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edu videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edu wrote: A related question: I would be interested to know if academic libraries are passing on Blu-ray media due to the lack of players (as Deg mentioned) or because they were burnt on laserdisc adoption in the eighties (or HD DVDs in the Blu-Ray war). VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blue Ray Questions
For us, Matthew, it's more about a dearth of players. To my knowledge, we have only ONE blu-ray player on campus. It's well placed, since it's in the room most frequently used for public screenings and for film studies courses, but since it's the only one (we don't even have one here in our library), we have avoided purchasing blu-ray discs. (The film studies folks tend to buy their own to use with their students.) I wouldn't mind seeing us add a blu-ray player or two, but I'm NOT going to start replacing standard DVD with blu-ray in the collection - I can't even afford to upgrade as many VHS tapes to DVDs as I want to. And heck, I'm still most concerned about making sure IT doesn't ditch our VCRs without notice! I have been frustrated on occasion by having to purchase combo packs in order to acquire standard DVDs. Susan Susan Albrecht Library Acquisitions Manager Wabash College Lilly Library 765-361-6216 765-361-6295 fax albre...@wabash.edu www.facebook.com/wabashcollegelibrary.films http://pinterest.com/wabashcolllib/ *** If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice. --Neil Peart *** -Original Message- From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Windsor, Matthew Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 3:17 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blue Ray Questions A related question: I would be interested to know if academic libraries are passing on Blu-ray media due to the lack of players (as Deg mentioned) or because they were burnt on laserdisc adoption in the eighties (or HD DVDs in the Blu-Ray war). Matthew VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blue Ray Questions
We are not 'passing' on Bluray media -- we limit our purchases to those titles that are especially visual or have been very well restored, such as BBC Planet Earth-type programs and restorations like the Kubrick films, or films that are very popular and for which we need multiple copies. But the reason that we do not purchase more on Bluray has everything to do with the former (general lack of players / format adoption by both patrons and classroom technologists) and nothing (at least to my mind) to do with the latter. Ironically, our (pretty much dead) laser disc collection is about the same size as our Bluray collection right now -- around 225 titles -- but we will continue to grow our Blurays. I see it as a niche supplementary collection, and do not expect it will ever come close to outpacing standard def DVDs. -- Meghann Matwichuk, M.S. Associate Librarian Film and Video Collection Department Morris Library, University of Delaware 181 S. College Ave. Newark, DE 19717 (302) 831-1475 http://www.lib.udel.edu/filmandvideo On 10/22/2013 3:16 PM, Windsor, Matthew wrote: A related question: I would be interested to know if academic libraries are passing on Blu-ray media due to the lack of players (as Deg mentioned) or because they were burnt on laserdisc adoption in the eighties (or HD DVDs in the Blu-Ray war). Matthew Matthew Windsor Systems and Media Services Librarian Olin C. Bailey Library Hendrix College 501-450-1287 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray questions
Jessica: I don't think it has anything to do with like or dislike. It has more to do with availability and budget, and of course, as others have said, who makes the decisions. We have no Blu-ray players in either institution (community college and university) unless someone has requested them for a specific purpose. The library has no Blu-ray DVDs and we don't order videos that don't also have DVD capability. Although I think we are a long way off from eschewing DVD format, and we still have way too many VHS tapes, I also don't think Blu-ray will be the replacement. Jennifer Foster Media Librarian Victoria College/University of Houston-Victoria Library 361.570.4195 http://vcuhvlibrary.uhv.edu Message: 4 Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 13:06:22 -0400 From: Jessica Rosner jessicapros...@gmail.com Subject: [Videolib] Blu ray questions To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Message-ID: CACRe6m_4=sJ8kLj=apse-kxkln773fsr-sqg9_e_f3pbbkw...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I know most of you do not like blu-ray but I would like to know how much a problem it is. I am working on a kind of epic project I have been making cryptic references to and for complicated reasons much of it is Blu ray only. In terms of research I would assume most students and most libraries have reasonable access to playing on Blu ray either using a player or a laptop. I guess the bigger issue is classroom use, is it really that difficult to get Blu ray player for a classroom ( to make this even more complicated the part of this collection most likely to be used in class will be available on DVD). Feedback appreciated but it is not possible to change formats on this material though it will be available for streaming for those schools who can do their own. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blu ray questions -- durability tangent
Susan wrote: I had never heard that Blu-Ray was less prone to skipping or dirt problems - that's an interesting observation. I've actually heard the opposite -- that Blu-ray are actually *more* sensitive and prone to problems. That was a concern for me when we began our (limited) collection of Blu-ray discs, but it hasn't turned out that way. Very rarely do I need to clean / resurface Blu-rays. I've been supposing that this was due to their (generally) low circ-rate, and not their durability, though. I'd be interested in hearing if others have observations on this front. -- Meghann Matwichuk, M.S. Associate Librarian Film and Video Collection Department Morris Library, University of Delaware 181 S. College Ave. Newark, DE 19717 (302) 831-1475 http://www.lib.udel.edu/filmandvideo On 10/22/2013 2:50 PM, Susan Weber wrote: We do not have a single Blu-Ray player on campus. I've been asking for 2 years now. All classrooms are equipped with dual VHS=DVD players, and I suspect when they go, they'll be replaced with whatever is sturdy and reliable, whatever that may be. I had never heard that Blu-Ray was less prone to skipping or dirt problems - that's an interesting observation. Aside from feature films, though, I've not seen educational release documentaries being available in Blu-Ray. If it cost extra, we wouldn't be in favour of that choice, though, unless the whole campus was refitted with Blu-Ray players. Susan Susan Weber Media Librarian Library T 604.323.5533 F 604.323.5512 swe...@langara.bc.ca mailto:Susan Weber swe...@langara.bc.ca VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray questions
Dislike was the wrong word to use. I realize it is a tech financial issue. I just want to clarify this is not a combo pack. Basically it is documentary with some extras that will be on DVD and a fairly massive library of extras which basically constitute a mini archive that will only be on Blu ray. It was a compromise of a difficult situation but I still hope that students or instructors who want access to the material that is blu ray only and would likely be for research will find a way to access it though it certainly sounds like a bitch. I really appreciate everyone's input. On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Foster, Jennifer fost...@uhv.edu wrote: Jessica: I don't think it has anything to do with like or dislike. It has more to do with availability and budget, and of course, as others have said, who makes the decisions. We have no Blu-ray players in either institution (community college and university) unless someone has requested them for a specific purpose. The library has no Blu-ray DVDs and we don't order videos that don't also have DVD capability. Although I think we are a long way off from eschewing DVD format, and we still have way too many VHS tapes, I also don't think Blu-ray will be the replacement. Jennifer Foster Media Librarian Victoria College/University of Houston-Victoria Library 361.570.4195 http://vcuhvlibrary.uhv.edu Message: 4 Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 13:06:22 -0400 From: Jessica Rosner jessicapros...@gmail.com Subject: [Videolib] Blu ray questions To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Message-ID: CACRe6m_4=sJ8kLj= apse-kxkln773fsr-sqg9_e_f3pbbkw...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I know most of you do not like blu-ray but I would like to know how much a problem it is. I am working on a kind of epic project I have been making cryptic references to and for complicated reasons much of it is Blu ray only. In terms of research I would assume most students and most libraries have reasonable access to playing on Blu ray either using a player or a laptop. I guess the bigger issue is classroom use, is it really that difficult to get Blu ray player for a classroom ( to make this even more complicated the part of this collection most likely to be used in class will be available on DVD). Feedback appreciated but it is not possible to change formats on this material though it will be available for streaming for those schools who can do their own. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blue Ray Questions
We have some Blu-ray players. In the future, when we have to replace a player, the college is planning to purchase mulit-region Blu-ray players.The college recently purchased one for my office.What keeps me from purchasing Blu-rays is the price difference? On average (for our library), a Blu-ray costs $10.00 more than a DVD. We calculated that if we had bought all Blu-rays last year, we would have cut our media budget by roughly two-thirds. Lake Forest College has a very small media budget and every dollar counts. Eileen Karsten Head of Technical Services Donnelley Lee Library Lake Forest College 555 N. Sheridan Road Lake Forest, IL 60045 kars...@mx.lakeforest.edumailto:kars...@lakeforest.edu 847-735-5066 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blu ray questions -- durability tangent
Meghann, My understanding is that there is a scratch resistant coating on blu-ray discs which make them especially scratch resistant. My experience with our library which frequently circulates blu-ray discs and standard DVDs has held that the blu-ray titles, probably because of the coating, never (not hyperbole. I've never had a scratch problem) have these kinds of issues. On the flip-side, there is a special place in hell for DVD dual discs which seem to to get covered in scratches by the act of my looking at them. That could just be my experience, though, and I'm sure we all have different takes on this. Best. *Josh Moorman* *Head Librarian* *New York Film Academy - Los Angeles* *Robert K. Hartman Library* *josh.moor...@nyfa.edu* *(818) 295-2021* On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Meghann Matwichuk mtw...@udel.edu wrote: Susan wrote: I had never heard that Blu-Ray was less prone to skipping or dirt problems - that's an interesting observation. I've actually heard the opposite -- that Blu-ray are actually *more* sensitive and prone to problems. That was a concern for me when we began our (limited) collection of Blu-ray discs, but it hasn't turned out that way. Very rarely do I need to clean / resurface Blu-rays. I've been supposing that this was due to their (generally) low circ-rate, and not their durability, though. I'd be interested in hearing if others have observations on this front. -- Meghann Matwichuk, M.S. Associate Librarian Film and Video Collection Department Morris Library, University of Delaware 181 S. College Ave. Newark, DE 19717 (302) 831-1475 http://www.lib.udel.edu/filmandvideo On 10/22/2013 2:50 PM, Susan Weber wrote: We do not have a single Blu-Ray player on campus. I've been asking for 2 years now. All classrooms are equipped with dual VHS=DVD players, and I suspect when they go, they'll be replaced with whatever is sturdy and reliable, whatever that may be. I had never heard that Blu-Ray was less prone to skipping or dirt problems - that's an interesting observation. Aside from feature films, though, I've not seen educational release documentaries being available in Blu-Ray. If it cost extra, we wouldn't be in favour of that choice, though, unless the whole campus was refitted with Blu-Ray players. Susan Susan Weber Media Librarian Library T 604.323.5533 F 604.323.5512swe...@langara.bc.ca mailto:Susan Susan Weber swe...@langara.bc.ca swe...@langara.bc.ca VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- *Josh Moorman* *Head Librarian* *New York Film Academy - Los Angeles* *Robert K. Hartman Library* *josh.moor...@nyfa.edu* *(818) 295-2021* VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blu ray questions -- durability tangent
Good to know / hear -- I am super glad to be wrong on this one! The only titles we have problems with are things like Disney or Dreamworks, but this because of the audience and not the technology. Anything that could be considered a 'kids movie' is going to take a beating -- I've had to buff more jelly fingerprints off Kung Fu Panda than I can count (without taking off my shoes, at any rate). -- Meghann On 10/22/2013 3:57 PM, Josh Moorman wrote: Meghann, My understanding is that there is a scratch resistant coating on blu-ray discs which make them especially scratch resistant. My experience with our library which frequently circulates blu-ray discs and standard DVDs has held that the blu-ray titles, probably because of the coating, never (not hyperbole. I've never had a scratch problem) have these kinds of issues. On the flip-side, there is a special place in hell for DVD dual discs which seem to to get covered in scratches by the act of my looking at them. That could just be my experience, though, and I'm sure we all have different takes on this. Best. *Josh Moorman* *Head Librarian* *New York Film Academy - Los Angeles* *Robert K. Hartman Library* *josh.moor...@nyfa.edu mailto:josh.moor...@nyfa.edu* *(818) 295-2021 tel:%28818%29%20295-2021* On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Meghann Matwichuk mtw...@udel.edu mailto:mtw...@udel.edu wrote: Susan wrote: I had never heard that Blu-Ray was less prone to skipping or dirt problems - that's an interesting observation. I've actually heard the opposite -- that Blu-ray are actually *more* sensitive and prone to problems. That was a concern for me when we began our (limited) collection of Blu-ray discs, but it hasn't turned out that way. Very rarely do I need to clean / resurface Blu-rays. I've been supposing that this was due to their (generally) low circ-rate, and not their durability, though. I'd be interested in hearing if others have observations on this front. -- Meghann Matwichuk, M.S. Associate Librarian Film and Video Collection Department Morris Library, University of Delaware 181 S. College Ave. Newark, DE 19717 (302) 831-1475 tel:%28302%29%20831-1475 http://www.lib.udel.edu/filmandvideo VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray questions
Hello Jessica, A quick keyword search for 'Blu-ray' in our catalog pulls up over 1,800 results, and this may be close to correct. We order Blu-rays instead of DVDs whenever possible. We do not have a problem making Blu-ray players available for classrooms. I am not aware of any problems relating to durability. Some of the issues that we have encountered are: 1. Blu-rays (and now DVDs) frequently are sold with Digital Copy and/or UltraViolet discs, which we do not circulate. 2. When a film needs to be streamed for a class, it takes longer to stream a Blu-ray than a DVD. If a class needs a title streamed in a hurry, the DVD version probably will be the streamed version. 3. Many Blu-rays are sold in Blu-ray/DVD combo packs, and there is a problem with patrons checking out the packs and then losing/damaging one disc. In the future, our Media department plans to split up the discs and circulate them separately. 4. We do not have multi-region Blu-ray players and so only purchase Region A Blu-rays. 5. Some Blu-ray versions of classic films have been altered from their original form (for example, the 2009 release of The French Connection: http://www.examiner.com/article/addendum-to-march-6th-blu-ray-releases-new-wall-street-french-connection-bds, which was corrected later), and we have to read more customer reviews to make sure of the quality of what we are ordering. Michael S. Phillips Library Associate I Monographic Acquisitions Division Texas AM University acqmo...@library.tamu.edumailto:acqmo...@library.tamu.edu 5000 TAMU | College Station, TX 77843-5000 Tel. 979.845.1343 ext. 151 | Fax. 979.845.5310 http://library.tamu.edu From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jessica Rosner Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 2:43 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray questions Dislike was the wrong word to use. I realize it is a tech financial issue. I just want to clarify this is not a combo pack. Basically it is documentary with some extras that will be on DVD and a fairly massive library of extras which basically constitute a mini archive that will only be on Blu ray. It was a compromise of a difficult situation but I still hope that students or instructors who want access to the material that is blu ray only and would likely be for research will find a way to access it though it certainly sounds like a bitch. I really appreciate everyone's input. On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Foster, Jennifer fost...@uhv.edumailto:fost...@uhv.edu wrote: Jessica: I don't think it has anything to do with like or dislike. It has more to do with availability and budget, and of course, as others have said, who makes the decisions. We have no Blu-ray players in either institution (community college and university) unless someone has requested them for a specific purpose. The library has no Blu-ray DVDs and we don't order videos that don't also have DVD capability. Although I think we are a long way off from eschewing DVD format, and we still have way too many VHS tapes, I also don't think Blu-ray will be the replacement. Jennifer Foster Media Librarian Victoria College/University of Houston-Victoria Library 361.570.4195tel:361.570.4195 http://vcuhvlibrary.uhv.edu Message: 4 Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 13:06:22 -0400 From: Jessica Rosner jessicapros...@gmail.commailto:jessicapros...@gmail.com Subject: [Videolib] Blu ray questions To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edumailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Message-ID: CACRe6m_4=sJ8kLj=apse-kxkln773fsr-sqg9_e_f3pbbkw...@mail.gmail.commailto:apse-kxkln773fsr-sqg9_e_f3pbbkw...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I know most of you do not like blu-ray but I would like to know how much a problem it is. I am working on a kind of epic project I have been making cryptic references to and for complicated reasons much of it is Blu ray only. In terms of research I would assume most students and most libraries have reasonable access to playing on Blu ray either using a player or a laptop. I guess the bigger issue is classroom use, is it really that difficult to get Blu ray player for a classroom ( to make this even more complicated the part of this collection most likely to be used in class will be available on DVD). Feedback appreciated but it is not possible to change formats on this material though it will be available for streaming for those schools who can do their own. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897tel:224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785tel:212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.commailto:jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an
Re: [Videolib] Blue Ray Questions
Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone - Reply message - From: Karsten, Eileen kars...@mx.lakeforest.edu To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: [Videolib] Blue Ray Questions Date: Tue, Oct 22, 2013 4:03 pm We have some Blu-ray players. In the future, when we have to replace a player, the college is planning to purchase mulit-region Blu-ray players.The college recently purchased one for my office.What keeps me from purchasing Blu-rays is the price difference? On average (for our library), a Blu-ray costs $10.00 more than a DVD. We calculated that if we had bought all Blu-rays last year, we would have cut our media budget by roughly two-thirds. Lake Forest College has a very small media budget and every dollar counts. Eileen Karsten Head of Technical Services Donnelley Lee Library Lake Forest College 555 N. Sheridan Road Lake Forest, IL 60045 kars...@mx.lakeforest.edumailto:kars...@lakeforest.edu 847-735-5066 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blue Ray Questions
Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone - Reply message - From: Karsten, Eileen kars...@mx.lakeforest.edu To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: [Videolib] Blue Ray Questions Date: Tue, Oct 22, 2013 4:03 pm We have some Blu-ray players. In the future, when we have to replace a player, the college is planning to purchase mulit-region Blu-ray players.The college recently purchased one for my office.What keeps me from purchasing Blu-rays is the price difference? On average (for our library), a Blu-ray costs $10.00 more than a DVD. We calculated that if we had bought all Blu-rays last year, we would have cut our media budget by roughly two-thirds. Lake Forest College has a very small media budget and every dollar counts. Eileen Karsten Head of Technical Services Donnelley Lee Library Lake Forest College 555 N. Sheridan Road Lake Forest, IL 60045 kars...@mx.lakeforest.edumailto:kars...@lakeforest.edu 847-735-5066 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
