Re: [Videolib] Is Huis Clos (1954) in public domain?

2014-12-16 Thread Jessica Rosner 
I should point out that the GATT treaty did not effect films made before
1923 so as in the US any film made through 1922 is PD but the specific
version ( copy) of the film my be under copyright thus CABINET OF DR.
CALIGARI is PD but not the Kino blu ray.

On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 5:10 PM, Jessica Rosner 
wrote:
>
> This is a pirate site trying to justify itself. There is no such thing as
> "collector to collector" sales, it is a bootleg
> As for this film specifically because of the GATT treaty basically nothing
> made in France or other European countries as well as many others is PD
> unless in the very,very rare instance it fell PD in its own country and as
> France has the most stringent copyright laws in the world in my view ( A
> TRIP TO THE MOON only became PD there about 7 years ago) it is virtually
> impossible for this film to be PD.
>
> Any site selling European films and claiming they are PD is lying as they
> are lying about "collector to collector" sales.
> Not like rights holders are going to be checking out pirate sites and
> providing them with "proof of ownership" when they know full well they are
> illegal.
>
> There is a reason you can only find some "rare" films on sites like this
> and it because they are not legal
>
> Jessica
>
> On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Karsten, Eileen <
> kars...@mx.lakeforest.edu> wrote:
>
>>  Does anyone know if the 1954 version of Huis Clos (No Exit) directed by 
>> Jacqueline
>> Audry  is in public
>> domain?   A faculty member found it listed on a site with the disclaimer : 
>> Most
>> of the films available on this site have fallen into the public domain and
>> do not infringe on any intellectual property rights. Other films are under
>> the copyright of their respective owners. Movies are sold on a collector to
>> collector basis, no rights are given or implied. If you believe a film
>> offered on this site infringes on an existing copyright, please contact us
>> with proof of ownership and the title will be removed at once.   They are
>> selling it as a DVD-R with no artwork or case.  I told her I believed it is
>> a bootleg copy, but she wanted to know how I could be sure that it is not
>> in public domain.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you for any help you can provide.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Eileen Karsten
>>
>> Head of Technical Services
>>
>> Donnelley & Lee Library
>>
>> Lake Forest College
>>
>> 555 N. Sheridan Road
>>
>> Lake Forest, IL 60045
>>
>> kars...@mx.lakeforest.edu 
>>
>> 847-735-5066
>>
>>
>>
>> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
>> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
>> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
>> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as
>> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
>> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
>> producers and distributors.
>>
>>
>
> --
> Jessica Rosner
> Media Consultant
> 224-545-3897 (cell)
> 212-627-1785 (land line)
> jessicapros...@gmail.com
>


-- 
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212-627-1785 (land line)
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relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
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working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Is Huis Clos (1954) in public domain?

2014-12-16 Thread Gisele Genevieve Tanasse 
I am not a copyright lawyer, but I am French-educated.

For a French production you are dealing with the question of the rights of
the author (for motion pictures in France, typically at least whoever wrote
the screenplay).  Laroche died in 1962-- and Sartre in 1980, so I would say
it is incredibly safe to say, not PD, but unfortunately very much OP in the
US.

I believe you can still get new legal Region 2 DVDs from France (it's
listed on fnac.fr).

Gisele


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150 Moffitt Library #6000
University of California
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On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Karsten, Eileen 
wrote:
>
>  Does anyone know if the 1954 version of Huis Clos (No Exit) directed by 
> Jacqueline
> Audry  is in public
> domain?   A faculty member found it listed on a site with the disclaimer : 
> Most
> of the films available on this site have fallen into the public domain and
> do not infringe on any intellectual property rights. Other films are under
> the copyright of their respective owners. Movies are sold on a collector to
> collector basis, no rights are given or implied. If you believe a film
> offered on this site infringes on an existing copyright, please contact us
> with proof of ownership and the title will be removed at once.   They are
> selling it as a DVD-R with no artwork or case.  I told her I believed it is
> a bootleg copy, but she wanted to know how I could be sure that it is not
> in public domain.
>
>
>
> Thank you for any help you can provide.
>
>
>
>
>
> Eileen Karsten
>
> Head of Technical Services
>
> Donnelley & Lee Library
>
> Lake Forest College
>
> 555 N. Sheridan Road
>
> Lake Forest, IL 60045
>
> kars...@mx.lakeforest.edu 
>
> 847-735-5066
>
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as
> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>
>
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Is Huis Clos (1954) in public domain?

2014-12-16 Thread Jessica Rosner 
This is a pirate site trying to justify itself. There is no such thing as
"collector to collector" sales, it is a bootleg
As for this film specifically because of the GATT treaty basically nothing
made in France or other European countries as well as many others is PD
unless in the very,very rare instance it fell PD in its own country and as
France has the most stringent copyright laws in the world in my view ( A
TRIP TO THE MOON only became PD there about 7 years ago) it is virtually
impossible for this film to be PD.

Any site selling European films and claiming they are PD is lying as they
are lying about "collector to collector" sales.
Not like rights holders are going to be checking out pirate sites and
providing them with "proof of ownership" when they know full well they are
illegal.

There is a reason you can only find some "rare" films on sites like this
and it because they are not legal

Jessica

On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Karsten, Eileen 
wrote:
>
>  Does anyone know if the 1954 version of Huis Clos (No Exit) directed by 
> Jacqueline
> Audry  is in public
> domain?   A faculty member found it listed on a site with the disclaimer : 
> Most
> of the films available on this site have fallen into the public domain and
> do not infringe on any intellectual property rights. Other films are under
> the copyright of their respective owners. Movies are sold on a collector to
> collector basis, no rights are given or implied. If you believe a film
> offered on this site infringes on an existing copyright, please contact us
> with proof of ownership and the title will be removed at once.   They are
> selling it as a DVD-R with no artwork or case.  I told her I believed it is
> a bootleg copy, but she wanted to know how I could be sure that it is not
> in public domain.
>
>
>
> Thank you for any help you can provide.
>
>
>
>
>
> Eileen Karsten
>
> Head of Technical Services
>
> Donnelley & Lee Library
>
> Lake Forest College
>
> 555 N. Sheridan Road
>
> Lake Forest, IL 60045
>
> kars...@mx.lakeforest.edu 
>
> 847-735-5066
>
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as
> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>
>

-- 
Jessica Rosner
Media Consultant
224-545-3897 (cell)
212-627-1785 (land line)
jessicapros...@gmail.com
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.