[VIHUELA] Re: Early guitar image

2011-04-18 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dear Jocelyn, I've seen this 1847 picture before and, of course, it is not a representation made during the time the 5 course ('baroque') guitar was actually played. It's in the faux style beloved of mid-19th century artosts (and their public) depicting old scenes in what was

[VIHUELA] Re: Strumming techniques - was With/Without Bordones

2011-04-18 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Many thanks for this Monica, I'm very grateful for your scholarly translations of these (on which I hoped I had based my own paraphrase) and, of course, other contemporary sources on strumming techniques. Might I just focus on the particular repicco Chris mentioned and which

[VIHUELA] Re: Strumming techniques - was With/Without Bordones

2011-04-18 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dear Stuart, Thanks for this. I do hope you won't really give up! Like you I'm sometimes reluctant to be quite so strict about what strum I employ but I think, also like you, I'm aware of the historical instructions. I do think these strums were part of general play as, indeed,

[VIHUELA] Re: Strumming techniques - was With/Without Bordones

2011-04-18 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dear Monica, I'm replying at the beginning: I think this is the more logical way to do it - this way the most recent communication is always at the top ( rather like letters files). And I'm sorry you found my earlier mailing was such a mess! - I'll try to do better. I

[VIHUELA] Re: Strumming techniques - was With/Without Bordones

2011-04-18 Thread Chris Despopoulos
Allow me a few points: I don't believe my so-called trill is part of the flamenco technique. Perhaps that's why I accepted it so readily! But I'm not aware of any flamenco performances using this approach. For a rolling continuation of strums Flamenco seems to use all four

[VIHUELA] Re: Strumming techniques - was With/Without Bordones

2011-04-18 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dear Chris, I'm sure it's wise for us all to explore these things further and with care and reference to the sources. Regarding courses: I'm not sure if I'd accept as gospel some personal assertion of preference not backed up by hard evidence - whoever the tutor may be! It is

[VIHUELA] Re: Strumming techniques - was With/Without Bordones

2011-04-18 Thread Chris Despopoulos
Dear Martyn... Well, I called this thing a trill -- the term tillo never passed my lips (or fingers, I guess). I understood it as trill, sitting in a class given in another language... And my hearing has deteriorated with the years, I might add. I thought the word was trino,

[VIHUELA] Re: Strumming techniques - was With/Without Bordones

2011-04-18 Thread Monica Hall
Dear Martyn It wasn't specifically your message. It is just that some of us put our reply at the beginning and others at the end. Stuart puts his replies at the end so that when when replying to his I try to do the same. But others put it at the beginning.Surely we can

[VIHUELA] Re: Strumming techniques - was With/Without Bordones

2011-04-18 Thread Monica Hall
I quoted both prefaces in full thinking this would be helpful but perhaps not especially as my translation could be improved on. What Corbetta says in the Italian preface is clearer. Observe that the four tied notes signify that one must first make the note with second finger

[VIHUELA] Re: Strumming techniques - was With/Without Bordones

2011-04-18 Thread Monica Hall
Well trino and trillo are two different things - but I can understand how they might get muddled up. Monica - Original Message - From: Chris Despopoulos despopoulos_chr...@yahoo.com To: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday,

[VIHUELA] Re: Strumming techniques - was With/Without Bordones

2011-04-18 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dear Chris, I had thought I used Corbetta's own word 'trillo' for the particular strum with an up and down movement of the index only. And, indeed, as you'll see from the below - I did! Dunno where tillo, trino etc come from. regards Martyn --- On Mon, 18/4/11,

[VIHUELA] Re: Strumming techniques - was With/Without Bordones

2011-04-18 Thread Chris Despopoulos
Dear Martyn... Without a doubt, you referred to the trillo in this discussion. I'm only saying that I never called this thing that I executed by the name, trillo. I had assumed it was a trill (perhaps out of ignorance, language difficulties, and bad hearing). But I think we're in

[VIHUELA] Re: list - protocol

2011-04-18 Thread Monica Hall
All I can say is that I agree with this. The problem arises when several people reply to a message consecutively, some at the top and some at the bottom. The important thing is to keep the discussion in a logical sequence which everyone can follow. Monica -

[VIHUELA] Re: list - protocol

2011-04-18 Thread R. Mattes
On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 17:42:10 +0100, Monica Hall forwarded From: [1]Martyn Hodgson As said, the reply at the top is usual (and historic!) practice. But it's also always a good idea to cut and paste in the relevant section one is queying/amplifying if the original is long This

[VIHUELA] Re: list - protocol

2011-04-18 Thread Eugene C. Braig IV
Alas, the tyrannical giant Microsoft and its forced default of top-replying so dominates the universe of electronic communication that I fear there is no easy way back to a rational conversational civility. This note was typed using MS Outlook (with a tear in the eye for the memory of Eudora).

[VIHUELA] Re: list - protocol

2011-04-18 Thread Monica Hall
I have obviously started something here All I can say is that when I file paper invoices, bills, letters, payslips and all other bumph I put the most recent on top - these being the ones I am most likely to want to refer to again - and the ones at the bottom can be discarded when the

[VIHUELA] Greetings from the President of the LSA

2011-04-18 Thread Edward Martin
Greetings to all LSA members. The LSA will have a booth at the Boston Early Music Festival again this year and we are looking for members who might be interested in working at the booth. The commitment can be as much or as little as you would like to become involved, and duties would be to