[VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?

2011-02-03 Thread Peter Kooiman
Hello Franz, but some quite odd with melodylines suddenly jumping an octave up or down. So I suspected that these were not written for re-entrant tuning, or only the upper string being re-entrant, but to take it like this seems also not convincing either. I find that

[VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?

2011-02-03 Thread Chris Despopoulos
Glotzer hargloresea...@gmail.com; Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Sent: Thu, February 3, 2011 4:55:11 AM Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start? Hello Franz, but some quite odd with melodylines suddenly jumping an octave up or down. So I suspected

[VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?

2011-02-03 Thread Chris Despopoulos
yours. Hope that helped. Monica - Original Message - From: Peter Kooiman To: Franz Mechsner Cc: Vihuelalist ; Chris Despopoulos ; Harlan Glotzer ; Monica Hall Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start? Hello Franz

[VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?

2011-02-03 Thread Eugene C. Braig IV
-Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Chris Despopoulos Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 2:48 AM To: Harlan Glotzer; Monica Hall Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start? My personal

[VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?

2011-02-03 Thread Monica Hall
- Original Message - From: Eugene C. Braig IV brai...@osu.edu To: 'Vihuelalist' vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 2:45 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start? -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute

[VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?

2011-02-03 Thread Alexander Batov
I don't think he ever did (the music just doesn't go lower than the open A string) but I suppose there is a presumption that it was most likely for a 5-string (i.e. single strung) guitar. 5-string guitars did certainly exist at the time. Also, some original 5-course guitars were converted to

[VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?

2011-02-03 Thread Roman Turovsky
: [VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start? I don't think he ever did (the music just doesn't go lower than the open A string) but I suppose there is a presumption that it was most likely for a 5-string (i.e. single strung) guitar. 5-string guitars did certainly exist at the time. Also

[VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?

2011-02-03 Thread Eugene C. Braig IV
Of Alexander Batov Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 1:00 PM Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start? I don't think he ever did (the music just doesn't go lower than the open A string) but I suppose there is a presumption that it was most likely for a 5-string

[VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?

2011-02-03 Thread Eugene C. Braig IV
: Vihuelalist Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start? 5 course/string guitars survived into the 19th century in Ukraine: http://polyhymnion.org/images/bandurka.jpg ! RT - Original Message - From: Alexander Batov alexander.ba...@vihuelademano.com Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela

[VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?

2011-02-03 Thread Alexander Batov
They've been around in Russia too. There are two original 19th century 5-string bandurkas in the St-Petersburg collection; shallow-bodied, fairly small in size (the one on your link looks like a re-construction to me). By the way, I've never heard about 5-course bandurkas ... Also, I'm not

[VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?

2011-02-03 Thread Monica Hall
' vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 6:19 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start? ..And not to mention into the present in some Latin American folk traditions. Best, Eugene -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute

[VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?

2011-02-03 Thread Monica Hall
. Monica - Original Message - From: Eugene C. Braig IV brai...@osu.edu To: 'Vihuelalist' vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 8:18 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start? I like this thesis. Also, the music of these composers tends to exist both

[VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?

2011-02-03 Thread Eugene C. Braig IV
Thanks for your thoughts, Monica. Eugene -Original Message- From: Monica Hall [mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 3:45 PM To: Eugene C. Braig IV Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start? Well - yes. A lot

[VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?

2011-02-02 Thread Harlan Glotzer
: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 8:37 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start? I definitely don't want to spark anything. I'm just looking for any obvious prohibitions to using a fully re-entrant tuning with Roncalli. For me, first

[VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?

2011-02-02 Thread Franz Mechsner
: Wed, February 2, 2011 9:01:12 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start? Again forgive my newness, but this sparks an interesting question for me. Is there a list of composers who had the fully reenterant tuning in mind/played that way? I'm

[VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?

2011-02-01 Thread Monica Hall
on this topic. (But I have already done so). Monica - Original Message - From: [1]Chris Despopoulos To: [2]Monica Hall Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 6:41 AM Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start? Ha! I found this in my SPAM folder for some

[VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?

2011-02-01 Thread Chris Despopoulos
:25:16 AM Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start? Funny that it shouldn't have reached you before. I agree that the re-entrant tuning works perfectly for most of the repertoire. It is a misconception that the re-entrant tuning is somehow inadequate

[VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?

2011-01-21 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Yes, gauge your frets as on other gut strung plucked instruments: it enables the instrument to be set as fine as possible ie with strings as close to the fingerboard as possible but without excessive adjacent fret rattles. Use the 'French' (sometimes called the 'Corbetta') tuning

[VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?

2011-01-21 Thread Monica Hall
: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start? Did you see the guitar tablature Toshiaki linked us to? BSB Mus.ms.1522: Alfabeto/mixed guitar tablature (Bavarian provenance): Tabulaturbuch fuer Guitarre [ex-libris:] H. M. Adelaide di Sauoia, Ellettria di Bauaria http

[VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?

2011-01-20 Thread Monica Hall
Welcome! I can't really answer the first part of your question as I am not an instrument maker. In order to answer the second part we need to know what you mean by the Spanish tuning as this is not a recognised definition of any particlar tuning/stringing. And also which part of the Spanish

[VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?

2011-01-20 Thread Chris Despopoulos
Hi Harlan... Some comments from an amateur... I believe I have seen some references to graduating the fret gut as you move up the neck, but I can't remember where. Nonetheless, my guitar uses the same size gut for all the frets, and it was made by a very reputable person who not

[VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?

2011-01-20 Thread Chris Despopoulos
: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start? Well - it is a serious mis-nomer to call the re-entrant tuning Spanish. The Spanish would turn in their graves. What dear old Sanz says is In stringing there is variety, because in Rome musicians string the guitar only with thin

[VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?

2011-01-20 Thread blair
Harlan, I have built and re-fretted a bunch of period instruments (romantic and renaissance guitars, and lutes) and it is likely you will need a few gauges of gut for the frets (gamut strings is the easiest place to get them). If the action is low the first three/four frets will need to be

[VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?

2011-01-20 Thread Harlan Glotzer
__ From: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk To: Chris Despopoulos despopoulos_chr...@yahoo.com Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thu, January 20, 2011 3:51:30 PM Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start? Well - it is a serious mis-nomer to call the re

[VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?

2011-01-20 Thread Monica Hall
despopoulos_chr...@yahoo.com Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thu, January 20, 2011 3:51:30 PM Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start? Well - it is a serious mis-nomer to call the re-entrant tuning Spanish. The Spanish would turn in their graves. What dear

[VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?

2011-01-20 Thread Chris Despopoulos
Despopoulos [1][5]despopoulos_chr...@yahoo.com To: Harlan Glotzer [2][6]hargloresea...@gmail.com; [3][7]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 8:09 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start? Hi Harlan... Some comments from an amateur... I

[VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?

2011-01-20 Thread Monica Hall
despopoulos_chr...@yahoo.com Cc: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk; Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start? Thank you both for you speedy and detailed replies! I guess I am wondering what the most

[VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?

2011-01-20 Thread Monica Hall
8:09 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start? Hi Harlan... Some comments from an amateur... I believe I have seen some references to graduating the fret gut as you move up the neck, but I can't remember where. Nonetheless, my guitar uses the same size gut for all

[VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?

2011-01-20 Thread A. J. Ness
Did you see the guitar tablature Toshiaki linked us to? BSB Mus.ms.1522: Alfabeto/mixed guitar tablature (Bavarian provenance): Tabulaturbuch fuer Guitarre [ex-libris:] H. M. Adelaide di Sauoia, Ellettria di Bauaria http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/0005/bsb00050861/images/