Hi,
This the first time I write the list, but i'm following and would like
to thank you all for sharing interesting points of view.
Harlans question is within my field, so I can say something about that..
It's is an exaggeration to say that maple was standard for necks,
although f. ex.
was considered a bit radical in his day.
Best,
Eugene
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From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On
Behalf Of Chris Despopoulos
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 6:19 PM
To: wikla; Vihuelalist
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar culture
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar culture and habits?
I'm reminded of the engraving of a riot/melee between those who support
use of the nails and those who do not. Face it... Guitarists are a
weird bunch.
How to you get a guitarists to be quiet? Hand him some sheet music.
What do
But my dear Arto
- there really is no problem between debating conflicting views and
'friendship' - you can have both. It's only when personal abuse
appears (as it did in some Lute list exchanges a number of years ago)
that we ought to throw in the towel.
However, I do agree
Dear Martyn,
Well, my comment was not about contents but style of writing... And it
really was not so very serious... These conversations sometimes actually
are quite entertaining, too.
All the best,
Arto
On 12/05/11 11:24, Martyn Hodgson wrote:
But my dear Arto
- there really
Hello Franz,
but some quite odd with melodylines suddenly jumping an octave up or
down. So
I suspected that these were not written for re-entrant tuning, or
only the upper string
being re-entrant, but to take it like this seems also not convincing
either.
I find that
Glotzer
hargloresea...@gmail.com; Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
Sent: Thu, February 3, 2011 4:55:11 AM
Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?
Hello Franz,
but some quite odd with melodylines suddenly jumping an octave up or
down. So
I suspected
possibilities.
cud
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From: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
To: Peter Kooiman pe...@crispu.com
Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Thu, February 3, 2011 5:32:29 AM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar
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From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On
Behalf Of Chris Despopoulos
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 2:48 AM
To: Harlan Glotzer; Monica Hall
Cc: Vihuelalist
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?
My personal
- Original Message -
From: Eugene C. Braig IV brai...@osu.edu
To: 'Vihuelalist' vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 2:45 PM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?
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From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute
I don't think he ever did (the music just doesn't go lower than the open
A string) but I suppose there is a presumption that it was most likely
for a 5-string (i.e. single strung) guitar. 5-string guitars did
certainly exist at the time. Also, some original 5-course guitars were
converted to
: [VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?
I don't think he ever did (the music just doesn't go lower than the open A
string) but I suppose there is a presumption that it was most likely for a
5-string (i.e. single strung) guitar. 5-string guitars did certainly exist
at the time. Also
Of Alexander Batov
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 1:00 PM
Cc: Vihuelalist
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?
I don't think he ever did (the music just doesn't go lower than the open
A string) but I suppose there is a presumption that it was most likely
for a 5-string
: Vihuelalist
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?
5 course/string guitars survived into the 19th century in Ukraine:
http://polyhymnion.org/images/bandurka.jpg !
RT
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From: Alexander Batov alexander.ba...@vihuelademano.com
Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela
They've been around in Russia too. There are two original 19th century
5-string bandurkas in the St-Petersburg collection; shallow-bodied,
fairly small in size (the one on your link looks like a re-construction
to me). By the way, I've never heard about 5-course bandurkas ... Also,
I'm not
' vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 6:19 PM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?
..And not to mention into the present in some Latin American folk
traditions.
Best,
Eugene
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From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute
.
Monica
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From: Eugene C. Braig IV brai...@osu.edu
To: 'Vihuelalist' vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 8:18 PM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?
I like this thesis. Also, the music of these composers tends to exist both
Thanks for your thoughts, Monica.
Eugene
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From: Monica Hall [mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 3:45 PM
To: Eugene C. Braig IV
Cc: Vihuelalist
Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?
Well - yes. A lot
: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 8:37 AM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?
I definitely don't want to spark anything. I'm just looking for any
obvious prohibitions to using a fully re-entrant tuning with Roncalli.
For me, first
: Wed, February 2, 2011 9:01:12 PM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?
Again forgive my newness, but this sparks an interesting question
for
me. Is there a list of composers who had the fully reenterant tuning
in
mind/played that way? I'm
on
this topic. (But I have already done so).
Monica
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From: [1]Chris Despopoulos
To: [2]Monica Hall
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 6:41 AM
Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?
Ha! I found this in my SPAM folder for some
:25:16 AM
Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?
Funny that it shouldn't have reached you before. I agree that the
re-entrant tuning works perfectly for most of the repertoire. It is a
misconception that the re-entrant tuning is somehow inadequate
Yes, gauge your frets as on other gut strung plucked instruments: it
enables the instrument to be set as fine as possible ie with strings as
close to the fingerboard as possible but without excessive adjacent
fret rattles.
Use the 'French' (sometimes called the 'Corbetta') tuning
: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?
Did you see the guitar tablature Toshiaki linked us to?
BSB Mus.ms.1522:
Alfabeto/mixed guitar tablature (Bavarian provenance): Tabulaturbuch
fuer Guitarre [ex-libris:] H. M. Adelaide di Sauoia, Ellettria di
Bauaria
http
Welcome! I can't really answer the first part of your question as I am not
an instrument maker.
In order to answer the second part we need to know what you mean by the
Spanish tuning as this is not a recognised definition of any particlar
tuning/stringing. And also which part of the Spanish
Hi Harlan... Some comments from an amateur...
I believe I have seen some references to graduating the fret gut as you
move up the neck, but I can't remember where. Nonetheless, my guitar
uses the same size gut for all the frets, and it was made by a very
reputable person who not
: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?
Well - it is a serious mis-nomer to call the re-entrant tuning
Spanish.
The Spanish would turn in their graves.
What dear old Sanz says is
In stringing there is variety, because in Rome musicians string the
guitar only with thin
Harlan,
I have built and re-fretted a bunch of period instruments (romantic and
renaissance guitars, and lutes) and it is likely you will need a few gauges of
gut for the frets (gamut strings is the easiest place to get them). If the
action is low the first three/four frets will need to be
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From: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
To: Chris Despopoulos despopoulos_chr...@yahoo.com
Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Thu, January 20, 2011 3:51:30 PM
Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?
Well - it is a serious mis-nomer to call the re
despopoulos_chr...@yahoo.com
Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Thu, January 20, 2011 3:51:30 PM
Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?
Well - it is a serious mis-nomer to call the re-entrant tuning
Spanish.
The Spanish would turn in their graves.
What dear
.
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From: Harlan Glotzer hargloresea...@gmail.com
To: Chris Despopoulos despopoulos_chr...@yahoo.com
Cc: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk; Vihuelalist
vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Thu, January 20, 2011 5:11:42 PM
Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where
despopoulos_chr...@yahoo.com
Cc: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk; Vihuelalist
vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 10:11 PM
Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?
Thank you both for you speedy and detailed replies!
I guess I am wondering what the most
8:09 PM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?
Hi Harlan... Some comments from an amateur...
I believe I have seen some references to graduating the fret gut as you
move up the neck, but I can't remember where. Nonetheless, my guitar
uses the same size gut for all
Did you see the guitar tablature Toshiaki linked us to?
BSB Mus.ms.1522:
Alfabeto/mixed guitar tablature (Bavarian provenance): Tabulaturbuch
fuer Guitarre [ex-libris:] H. M. Adelaide di Sauoia, Ellettria di Bauaria
http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/0005/bsb00050861/images/
Hello,
Can anyone tell me the status of the early guitar method that was due
to be published sometime in the recent past/future? Thanks very much
Chris
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Yes - very interesting. He has done a splendid edition of Guerau amongst
other things.
Couldn't listen to any of the music though. I wonder why.
Monica
- Original Message -
From: Mjos Larson rockype...@earthlink.net
To: vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010
Losy/Logy lived and worked in Prague. He wrote music for baroque guitar.
Try the vihuela list, that's where the b-guitar people hang out.
David
On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 2:28 AM, Gmail Manuel Minguillon
Nietomaminguil...@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Collective wisdom,
I am looking for evidences
There is not a lot of direct evidence - but Jacob Kremberg's collection of
sacred songs - Musicalishe-Gemuths-Ergotzung does include the guitar as a
possible instrument to accompany them.
This was printed in Dresden in 1689.
Monica
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From: Gmail Manuel Minguillon
It is obbligato, NOT a continuo book.
RT
There is not a lot of direct evidence - but Jacob Kremberg's collection of
sacred songs - Musicalishe-Gemuths-Ergotzung does include the guitar as a
possible instrument to accompany them.
This was printed in Dresden in 1689.
Monica
- Original
Martyn Hodgson wrote:
Further to this thread, you may be vaguely interested to know that
there's a quite large 5 course mandora repertoire from the 18thC
which, of course, has exactly the same interval tuning as the guitar
and always had the bourdon on the thumb side
The late Deisel
...@ntlworld.com
To: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar duo (Merchi)
Stuart Walsh wrote:
Finally got to listen to this. V. nice - but is it 2 Stuarts
playing - and are they playing baroque or classical guitars
Hi Stuart
Well that's very clever! I don't know much about Merchi. There is a
facsimile of Le guide des ecoliers published by Minkoff, 1981. I only
have a photocopy of the opening pages. He says octave stringing on 4th and
5th , but
doesn't say which way round. However both Corrette
Finally got to listen to this. V. nice - but is it 2 Stuarts playing - and
are they playing baroque or classical guitars?
MOnica
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From: Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com
To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 7:29 PM
Subject:
Finally got to listen to this. V. nice - but is it 2 Stuarts playing
- and are they playing baroque or classical guitars?
Monica
Thank you for listening Monica. It's just me playing - finally coming
to terms with a multi-track recording device I got ages ago. And it's
just my very
Hi Chris,
This a good question. Method books are fewer in number than lute
tutors. As you probably know, there are three ways of playing the
guitar - strumming, plucking and mixed-style. I've entertained thoughts
about writing an online tutor with videos of techniques, etc. It
Please can you give me the details? Can't find it.
Monica
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From: G. Crona [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: adS [EMAIL PROTECTED]; David Tayler
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Cc: vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 11:09 AM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar
Thanks for pointing this out!
-- Rocky
On Feb 29, 2008, at 12:31 PM, G. Crona wrote:
If you speak Spanish, you're in for a treat, as Julián Navarro
González has
presented his full dissertation PEDAGOGY OF THE SOLO BAROQUE
GUITAR: DESIGN
OF A TOOL FOR REPERTOIRE ANALYSIS here:
Answering my own question I now remember McFeely. (Also comprehensive.) Any
others?
G.
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This is the first chordophone dissertation that I've encountered to be
freely published on the web, (and what a comprehensive one!) Are there any
others about?
To get on or
G. Crona [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is the first chordophone dissertation that I've encountered to be
freely published on the web, (and what a comprehensive one!) Are there any
others about?
yes - i've posted two that i can recall concerning the early pedigree of the
charango and the
bill kilpatrick wrote:
.. don't touch it with a stick - friend of mine bought a jarana from the same luthier and was very disappointed.
What's a jarana?
Stuart Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder what this instrument would be
like?
.. don't touch it with a stick - friend of mine bought a jarana from the same
luthier and was very disappointed.
Stuart Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder what this instrument would be
like?
on reflection:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jarana
.. you can hear it played on the laberinto en la guitarra cd mentioned
earlier, played by eloy cruz.
- bill
Stuart Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: bill kilpatrick wrote:
.. don't touch it with a stick - friend of mine bought a jarana from the
Rob wrote:
Baroque guitar scores have just been added by Timo Peedu to the same page,
luite also. http://www.rmguitar.info/scores.htm - scroll down.
Rob
I've just been playing through some of the pieces. Thanks to you and, of
course, to Timo.
Did Timo compose the repeated sections of
Daer Jason,
You certainly have a false string there. Try changing them for new
ones, one at the time and see what happends.
This is a very usual problem with gut strings. Not all of them a
really true. Try Nylgut, they are quite precise in tuning and sound
really similar to gut.
I hope this
Thnak you Alfonso,
I think you are correct. It seems as though it is the
gut octave that is the problem, rather than the wound
string. I will try a new string.
Regards,
jason
--- Alfonso Marin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Daer Jason,
You certainly have a false string there. Try
changing them
Dear Monica,
Thank you for the information. It intrigues me because
the fifth course, which is also octave strung, does
not have the same problem. I am tempted to convert
both 4th and 5th courses to re-entrant, even though I
am lead to believe that most of the repertoire I am
learning had at
Dear Bruno,
As you will see in Sanz' book, he recommends the tuning with bourdons for
continuo. A matter of common sense, I would say. You should read Matteis'
'false consonances', very helpful. And learn to play from alfabeto.
Good luck!
L.
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From: Bruno Correia
Dear lex,
Thank you for your advice, I'll look after this source.
Regards.
2006/3/23, Lex Eisenhardt [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Dear Bruno,
As you will see in Sanz' book, he recommends the tuning with bourdons for
continuo. A matter of common sense, I would say. You should read Matteis'
'false
I only looked at the site very quickly. I must admit something didn't
look quite right.
I think this is a big problem.
I'd much - much - prefer music that was originally in Italian tab to be
in Italian tab.
Stuart, surely this is not a problem with the site? It is your preference to
Yes, lots of music. And it's all in modern tab, so you don't have to think
upside down (Italian tab) or remember which fret h is (French tab). Very
accurate, as far as I have looked thus far (Sanz and de Visee).
-Original Message-
From: Stuart Walsh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:
Michael Fink wrote:
Yes, lots of music. And it's all in modern tab, so you don't have to think
upside down (Italian tab) or remember which fret h is (French tab). Very
accurate, as far as I have looked thus far (Sanz and de Visee).
I only looked at the site very quickly. I must admit
I only looked at the site very quickly. I must admit something didn't
look quite right.
I think this is a big problem.
I'd much - much - prefer music that was originally in Italian tab to be
in Italian tab.
Stuart, surely this is not a problem with the site? It is your preference to
have
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